2003.5 Custom Fog Light Kit

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All:

There have been numerous posts/threadjacks regarding 2003.5 installations of fog lights.

I have removed all of my posts as we have refined what we feel is a good offering and did not want to over-confuse anyone.

We are in the process of incorporating ourselves as well as offering up a direct-linked web site.

You can take a look at http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products.htm to find out more information.

Once we have incorporated ourselves, I will request the mods on the list here to set me up as an official vendor - but until then, we still have the offering and just have to go through the paperwork.

I am open to any questions/comments regarding our offering.

Note: We are revising our pictures as the light is now "centered" versus what is found in the installation instructions.

[Brian MP5T]

Nice, Should be alot of interest. I have stock lights on my P5. They don't do alot but I got used to them and now they are on all the time.

Later...Brian

(burnout)

[saided18]

would you sell that barket separtely?

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We originally were going to just sell the brackets. Though we had thought it would be more advantageous to sell the entire kit.

However, we could sell the brackets at $25.00/shipped per set for those interested.

The brackets are the most labor intensive part of the entire set and are truly designed around this fog light. If the demand is great enough, I can have them mass produced for a bit less.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

This looks kinda cool, but I noticed the install has an unfinished (nice way to say crappy) look during the day. Any fix for that?

90 sounds a bit steep...I can't find those kinds of lights anywhere.

[enigM@]

would u have the hella angels available in the kit?

[www.03msp.com]

Thank you for reserving yourself regarding the day shots. Yes, the lights are now centered (need to provide more professional shots).

In addition, we are working on a rear covering for that as well. Ideally we are trying to match 4.5" foglights (can't find the right set yet) and then we would have no need for the rear covering.

Also, these lights are "not" readily available everywhere and are the only ones that we have found that do work in the bracket configuration with no major cutting/drilling/etc.

Our full intent is to make it as quick and easy as possible.

We believe that $90.00 for a complete kit shipped is extremely competitive since it is not "universal" and is a specific application. Take a look at similiar kits made for cars. They are $150.00 + aftermarket (needing modification) or $300.00 from the dealer.

- Brian

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The key to our kit is centered rear mounting on the fog light versus top/bottom mounting (does not provide for clearance). The Hella Angel Eyes will not fit and do not fall into this category, nor does the PIAA (40's, 520's, etc.) style of lights.

[II-Savy]

"In addition, we are working on a rear covering for that as well. Ideally we are trying to match 4.5" foglights (can't find the right set yet) and then we would have no need for the rear covering. "

Very cool. So you are looking for 4.5 inch fogs, I'll look too see what I can find.

[kevducridr]

These look pretty good except for the daylight appearance. Wouldn't it be possible to cut out the plastic grill inserts and remount them behind the lamp? Otherwise there needs to be something back there. ;)

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Okay, two stabs...

a) We are looking for a 4.5" fog/driving light that is no more than 3-3.5" (front to back depth) and mounts in the center (i.e. a screw on each side center diameter). We CAN NOT use mounts on the bottom or top of the housing.

b) I don't think you realize, but these lights are very much tucked into the opening and if we put the grille inserts back in the light would be pushed out 1.5 inches. That's why we discarded the inserts.

[kevducridr]

I'm not being overly critical. I am just asking, because its hard to make out on the instruction pics and because I wasn't there when they were designed. :D I do like it, I am a huge foglight fan from my P5. I am bummed Mazda didn't include them on the 3.5 MSP in some form. :) Besides your price is fair considering you're doing all the hard work making the brackets. ;)

P.S. Can you get them in Amber?

[enigM@]

Originally posted by zmzmp5
The Hella Angel Eyes will not fit and do not fall into this category, nor does the PIAA (40's, 520's, etc.) style of lights.

Hellas don't fit??

http://obstinate.org/msp/images/IMG_1802.jpg

they look like the same size to me

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I apologize if anyone thought that I was interrogating them. We have put a lot of effort into making a design that was flawless with the assembly, yet flawed because of the way the Mazda engineered the damn air vent covers (unecessary holes). They could have put rear pressure clips in and would have solved many problems that we ran into. Changing the H3 bulb to a different color + the blue coating should give you the result of amber that you need. We are not planning on selling them this way as they are bright as heck to start off with.

[www.03msp.com]

Hella's do not fit due to the mounting on the top of the light in the picture you show. It is not a rear mount. This extra mount adds to the diameter and therefore will not be "tucked in" as ours is. Look at that same thread for a side angle and read the guys comments about "nearly enough room".

- Brian

[Newf]

amazing effort going into this, and I'm sure I'm not the only one appreciating it. Personally, I think the price is right on.

I would be extremely interested in a 4.5" fog light kit. AS it is right now, it does look a little too small, and somewhat unfinished. Considering what you've done so far, I can't wait to see the larger lense.

Ever consider getting a simple black piece of plastic to put behind the light to make it look complete? I think if you tried to color match it, it might look a little off, and maybe silly. But, lot of cars have a little black pastic around the fogs and it looks fine.

I haven't kept up with this thread sorry if this was asked already.

[www.03msp.com]

All:

Much appreciated.

Actually, in the original development we utilized the rear part of the grille insert and put that on. Though, there was holes in that to attach to the lip and in it as well to the front of the grille insert. We liked that. We had it in for quite some time, though, it still was "eeeh". We actually designed a template, cut some ABS plastic and made a surrounding, but that was "eeeh" and not molded and way too much effort.

My brain is spinning right now because we have not been able to find a 4.5" center mount anywhere.

I may have to succumb to getting a top/bottom mount, and making an additional bracket that would affix to that light and our custom bracket (which is really needed) as well. Though, no matter what, the light would stick out at least 1" more (hmmm). Heck, all the wiring is done, it would just be some design/bench time. It shouldn't bee too hard, it's just finding the right light - again, may the research being. I would rather have a 4.5" light to fill as much as the "gap" as possible.

Remember, I was the one that came up with how to put the PIAA 40's (6.5" lights) into the P5 and man, talk about spot lights -- I really miss them right now (this time of year being dark).

- Brian

[Brian MP5T]

If a person has a problem with the look of the lights during the day a thought would be like the WRX STI. There are covers over the lights that match the body colour. I think it looks good and also protects the light during the day.

Later...Brian

[II-Savy]

Covers are a pain in the ass. It's -28 today with the wind chill, who will go out there in the dark and take covers off to use the lights.

I sent zmzmp5 two possibilities for lights but have not heard back.

[www.03msp.com]

To much effort to develop rear/front covers/moldings.

Will go back to my notes and research a few fogs. Guys, I have spent weeks doing this. I will have to reevaluate a few other "choices" that I had ruled out and figure things out.

Give me a day or so.

On another note, for those interested in the current kit, I have five kits available, I will sell them all at $75.00 shipped to those who are interested!

- Brian

[II-Savy]

What costs $75? The price went down?

[www.03msp.com]

Limited time only - $75.00 for the $90.00 set.

[II-Savy]

(scratch)

Wow, seems there was some cake built in there....:eek:

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Looking to recoupe my expenditure's on these kits since I am going to remanufacturer brackets that will fit two applications instead of one and concentrate on a larger light (if I can get it to work out right).

- Brian

[kevducridr]

Wow, seems there was some cake built in there....


No offense II-Savy. :) But thats why people are in business, to make $$$$$. 40-50% profit is standard parts retail markup. Nothing wrong with that. ;) Especially ok when the little guys (vendors) are doing alot of prototype and custom work considering the limited amount of product for our cars. There is also nothing wrong with a good deal. :D

[II-Savy]

ok , I hear ya.

Nothing wrong with making money, just makes you think when there was room in there to go down that far. Nothing wrong with a good deal.

[www.03msp.com]

I am going to ask this question, don't be upset on me for doing so, but for the amount of time and effort into creating a "good deal" and something that is more than very functional - how come no one has jumped on picking one of these sets up yet? I have sold about twenty sets (not through this thread), but I have gotten a lot less response and a bunch of orders.

Just makes me curious. Still working on a revised design/5" (yes, went bigger) driving light combination. Will be two weeks before I can have kits available and days away from publication.

- Brian

[enigM@]

maybe 03.5 msp owners don't like the fog light look?

although if i get the lip i'd want the hella angels in there

just me

[II-Savy]

"I am going to ask this question, don't be upset on me for doing so, but for the amount of time and effort into creating a "good deal" and something that is more than very functional - how come no one has jumped on picking one of these sets up yet? "

I'll answer :D - It's hard to see from here the amount of effort you put into creating this. Personally I'll just get some metal from Home Depot and make my own brackets and do as you suggest.

In additon it's kick ass cold out and people are prolly less likely to work on their car.:cool:

[www.03msp.com]

I'll keep quiet for now and let everyone know when I have a 5" set working.

BTW - The Hella Angel Eyes are only 4" and will look the same (gap wise) as our existing kit. Also, the light output is about 35% less light than what we have. (I bought the Angel Eyes and wasn't happy with the quality/output).

FYI - We machine our parts.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

5" Sounds real kick ass eliminating the need for a "FILL FIX".

[enigM@]

aren't the p5 fogs 4" ??

[Newf]

5 and 1/4" to maybe 5 1.2" I think. NOt at all sure, but definitely not 4. I too was originally trying to get 4.5 " lights. Didn't have much luck finding them

Was starting to look at other cars, and their stock oem lights. Quite a few cars have round fogs as oem stuff.

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After spending a couple hours with my design programs, measuring lights, going to Pep Boys and speaking with a few "creative" people at my primary job, here is what we came up with...

Our current light is 4". Everyone likes the look of this current size, rather than a big one due to the angling effect of the front lip. Otherwise, no lip, a bigger light looks good such as the P5.

You can NOT go bigger than 4.75" top bottom and 5" left right with a light set back as much as our 4".

If you move the light out 1" (looks okay before looking shitty), then you can go 5 1/8" all the way around BUT that is the MAX. We picked up a set of different Pilot's that were 5 1/8" with a color ring around it. We mocked it up. Though, this still does not solve the trim problem.

You can STILL SEE the stock clip holes. A little less, but it still exists. The price would go up about $30.00 as well.

Back to the trim piece.

So, here is where we are at. We have a template and have successfully been able to cut it in sheet metal and plastic. It looks really nice, though we are in need of "someone" to take a template that we currently have, and mass-produce it in 1/8" plastic. My plastic supplier here (used to use a few years back) is out of business.

Does anyone know of a plastics company that can take a template, scan it in (to scale) and cut it?

Oh yeah, quick EDIT here...

We would be able to create a different bracket/mount to attach the fog light directly to this piece so all you would do is take the entire assembly, slide it into the big opening, drill, two holes and screw in. This is soooo much better and would have a "flush/molded" affect and would be around the same pricing as we currently offer.

- Brian

[kevducridr]

I'll be in line for whatever the solution is. I want fogs on my MSP. :) I will patiently wait for you to figure it all out.

[www.03msp.com]

Well I have a solution. It takes about an hour labor just to make one trim piece. It looks really good though. In addition it can be painted to match the car. Yes, it is custom and a "one off" but for the benefit of the members on this board, I'd really like to get it massed produced and make some $$$ off of it.

- Brian

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Well - everyone, I managed to have spent the last 5 or so hours creating an process which can now be utilized to lasercut the trim plates. I have attempted to contact five or so companies to see what it would cost to lasercut the following in 1/4" ABS plastic:

Let me know your thoughts. If they can do this, I can affix the fog light directly to the trim, so all you would have to do is:

a) Remove stock grill cover
b) Place the entire fog light assembly (trim and all) and screw in two screws
c) Wire up electrical

You're done!

- Brian

[II-Savy]

I would think mounting the fog light to the peice of plastic would allow the light to wiggle when the car went over bumps. I think metal would be better.

[benimal]

zmzmp5... I hate to threadjack as it's rude, so I will apologize up front.

What other products do you plan to offer for sale. I am particularly interested in the intake you designed and discussed on this forum a few months ago. Any plans for mass producing that - with the heat shield?

Thanks and I now return you to your normal programming (2003.5 Custom Fog Light Kit)

Ben

[www.03msp.com]

Regarding the interruption of "programming" - we have ideas, but we will not comment at this time.

Regarding mounting the fog light to the plastic. We are talking 1/4" ABS at a minimum (remember, ABS is not flexible). We ideally would like 1/2". We are working with a few companies to find out if they could not only cut the pieces, but what it would take to do some plasti-welding/molding for bracketry as well right on this piece. We want to keep the entire installation light weight and cost effective. We are also considering metal, but that usually requires "tooling and die" costs and price is prohibitive. Plastic is much easier to work with as it will be laser cut.

Don't worry about the "wiggle" as we have not spent this much time on a product with the intent to sell a less superior product.

[II-Savy]

Cool good stuff, thick enough should be good to go. I remember installing lights long ago on a 1980 Celica USGP edition that bounced and jiggled all over the place. :D

[Newf]

hmmmm, PICS PICS PICS of the plastic jobbie installed

day time pics though. Night ones are pointless.

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The "plastic jobbies" picture I posted would be a "minimum" requirement, though, we are concentrating on incorporating the fog light to attach to this due to the complexity of fitment (though, it works like a charm). We are only going to post the final product.

- Brian

[Newf]

cool. PM me when you got it done. I can't wait to see this and I'm always forgetting to check

[MoreBoostPlease]

my sentiments exactly guys, let me know also when u get the final plates done, as i have been trying to figure out a way to get fogs into my car. originally i was going to center mount them in the center part of the bumper grille and keep them behind the screen, so basically they would be invisible in daytime, and still illuminate the road at nite. i just havent gotten around to this yet. but now that i see plates being designed, let me know, as i will be happy to order a set once i get my tax return! :)

and to those who said the $90 price tag was too high -- GET REAL!! try to find anyone wh has spent time designing something and will sell it for a price lower than that. not trying to start anything in this thread, but as a salesperson in a retail store, my cost for a set of the fogs he described above is around 55-60 bucks, so $90 for everything is hardly expensive!!

#805 03.5 MSP

[Newf]

true dat

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Kind of off the subject, and MODS, please do not delete this, but I had a shitty-ass-fucked-up day, and this Forum, and this project, is a wonderful highlight despite the rest of my day. On a bright note, I have a local plastic fabricator talking to his people to figure out pricing, etc. for me. Looking at cost, currently, it appears the fog light kit will stand the way it is + I will add a rear trim plate for each side. Though, the install steps will be modified however as the trim plate will aid in the centering of everything.

We'll see how it goes - enough computers for today - good night!

- Brian

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Ahhh...

Friday morning, it's a new day and things are going pretty well.

I spent a few more hours late night/early morning working on a prototype/redesign of the trim plate/bracket assembly.

I have also been working with a few companies on pricing of cuts with ABS plastic.

I have pretty much perfected VERSION 2 of the 2003.5 Custom Fog Light Kit. As of current, the trim piece is a nix, but in-turn has been converted into a functional "Trim Assembly" and the brackets have been axed.

It has to be 1/4" ABS PLASTIC.

Text Vision: Imagine, purchasing a kit, opening the box, and understanding what the instructions read. 5-Steps only. 1) Pop out the stock vent covers. 2) place the Trim Assembly (consists of everything is mounted to it including fog light) into where you removed the stock vent covers. 3) Utilizing the two provided screws, screw in the assembly to the bumper/lip. 4) Using the manufacturer supplied instructions complete the electrical wiring. 5) Test light output - you're done!

Well, I've done it, the fog light front sits flush and the entire look is OEM - can be painted to match color of vehicle - currently black.

Pictures - well, since I'm running a business here, I'm not going to give out the secrets, but I will provide you this (see below):

Let me know what you all think. Again, I am awaiting supplier calls for cuts of plastic and costs. If no supplier can do it for what I think is fair, I will need to spend $300.00 myself in tooling costs, and manually do it. At that rate, the kit probably would increase to about $100.00 shipped - no seperating of parts.

[II-Savy]

Dude nice. Now that what I'm talking about. Keep it at 100, that seems pretty good.

What lights are those? Also are they Fog or Driving lights?

To me the fogs are a waste, it's more functional to have driving lights IMO. With people adding horsepower, often we drive over our lights.

[www.03msp.com]

Actually, they are the same fogs. BUT, the way we've designed it, is that practically any cener mount "driving light" can be used. Depending on the driving light, the front might not sit flush (maybe out an inch or so), but still is a single assembly and looks damn good. The price is driven by the labor and light used. Currently, if I had $300.00 to purchase a few tooling goodies, I would be able to sell the set for $100.00 shipped. If a plastic fabricator pulls through and depending on price/buy-in, I'd like to keep it between $90.00-$100.00. No matter what, I have a solution. It's just how much money do I have to spend out of my pocket to bring it to market - and that expenditure depends on demand and marketing. For me, I'm waiting on a few supplies and given in a week or two (maybe less) I'll have live pictures on the car. I can do it the hard way to give you guys what a finished product will look like. It's just getting there which is the long road.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Well I think it's kick ass, I was skeptical(sp?) at first but these look great.....

I'm saying can or will you offer a fog or driving light solution? I don't want a flood of light, I'd rather have a beam lighting way ahead of me.

[Newf]

just change the bulb


Speaking of which, what kind of bulbs are in these?

That pic looks pretty good so far ( still wanting niec big clear pics in day time ), very impressive.

Tip though. Black screws in the kit :)

[II-Savy]

Yea I'll second that, black screws are good.

So you can change the blub...hmm interesting. I thought the houseing was different also....no?

[www.03msp.com]

Umm, duh, the "grey color" on the screws is just to show you screws exist. Everything will be black, or if you have a car like me will be painted anodized blue to match the body.

- Brian

[Newf]

gotcha

Note to self: zmzmp5 is very sarcastic :)

And I need to save some $$$

[II-Savy]

"if you have a car like me will be painted anodized blue to match the body"

Have you found a spray can of our color car? ....laser blue mica...or whatever it's called. I have the touch up bottle but that's it.

[www.03msp.com]

Plastikote:

http://www.plastikote.com/plastikote/auto/template.jsp?searchcode=n/a&product=Anodizit

Though, this paint works by "anodizing" metals or by covering a reflective material, once you spray on a few top coats, it matches the car pretty good. Also, in the light it is really nice.

I painted my engine cover and strut tower brace as well as my boost gauge bezel and my instrumentation panel bezel and people say it looks really good.

You can see what I mean by some semi-okay pics at:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/projects.htm

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Kick ass.......hey I have an idea.

Charge a bit more money for these bad boys painted....:D :D

[INiTiAL33]

Ahhhhhh these will look good with my HIDs.... good job and if the finnished product is nice i will get one from you for sure!

I drive a MP3 but have the 03.5 lip.......... that means i already have the OEM foglight switches and wires..... how does that work out with your kit?

[GotBoost]

it's looking good man. I can't wait to see the finished product with daytime pics. my laser blue MSP is sorely in need of this;)

[Newf]

what type of wires are you using? Just wondering what kind of wattage bulbs we can stick in those lenses and that as well.

[www.03msp.com]

As long as you have a 03.5 lip, it will work. It is purely designed for it (fitting the lip).

Damn, I have such a bug up my ass about this, that I am becoming impatient myself. I have to wait until I receive my order of ABS plastic from Florida!

- Brian

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** THE WORD IS IN **

I have spoken to a local plastic fabricator in the Chicagoland area that WILL be able to do 1/4" ABS plastic, in the shape that I had posted. Furthermore, it will be strong enough and will be able to be painted. Woohoo!

I am now awaiting pricing to see how much it is going to cost to create two prototypes (better than mine) as well as overall production costs.

If the pricing is good all the way around then we should be all set, though, if it is assanine (i.e. above my personal abilities), then I would consider doing a GROUP BUY IN @ COST for the plastic cuts + you pay the difference for the other miscellaneous hardware and if we will be selling this as a full featured kit, split up or "buy your own fog light".

We want to get this product to market, it's just all about the money now. Remember, for my business venture, I only have the total number of cars made in 2003.5 as my customer base minus the people that are not interested. I am not planning on fulfilling the entire dream, just as long as I could at least get a few sets out there, or a hundred.

If we have to do a buy in - would you be willing to pay $20.00 for the entire kit (minus the fogs)?

Who's in?

- Brian

[Newf]

I will repeat this again, as I have many times before to other people on this board. Not trying to be rude here but...

Before pricing gets decided on.....we want to see the final product. Pics please. If it looks good, I'm in. If it looks like crap ( and that is for me to decide for myself) then I'm not. Before seeing the final thing.....not deciding.

I however would be interested in the entire kit once I know some details

Bulbs?
Wires?
Brand name if lights?

Some will be interested in type of switch as well. I have stock one, could care less.

[II-Savy]

$20.00 sounds kick ass. I'm in.

I like the idea of the complete kit. Open the box, slap those babies on and DONE. I'd like the lights together in a kit as you call it.

[www.03msp.com]

>>
Before pricing gets decided on.....we want to see the final product. Pics please. If it looks good, I'm in. If it looks like crap ( and that is for me to decide for myself) then I'm not. Before seeing the final thing.....not deciding.
>>

I'll have prototypes made regardless...and will post it anyhow.

I'm gauging interest right now if everything is wonderful-pie-in-sky so I can work with the fabricator on estimated orders.

>>
I however would be interested in the entire kit once I know some details

Bulbs?
Wires?
Brand name if lights?

Some will be interested in type of switch as well. I have stock one, could care less.
>>

Read my very FIRST post, it gives you information via a link...

- Brian

[BoostedBlueMSP]

im in. i would also like to see like a packaged deal. entire kit with fogs, and everything

[INiTiAL33]

Originally posted by INiTiAL33

I drive a MP3 but have the 03.5 lip.......... that means i already have the OEM foglight switches and wires..... how does that work out with your kit?


:confused:

[enigM@]

are the switches and wires still on your car?

[INiTiAL33]

Originally posted by matttrix
are the switches and wires still on your car?

Yup

[enigM@]

hmmm. just removed the fogs huh>?

i might do the same

will this work out with the kit, zmzmp5?

[www.03msp.com]

As I mentioned before, as long as you get a 2003.5 lip, you'll be set. If you have a switch with wires, just connect the +/- to each fog light and you will be set!

[www.03msp.com]

Friday Night - 9:30PM, forgot I had to do maintenance on a server - well, I'm 2 hours late on it, but rebooting it as we speak.

Why late?

SHIT I DID IT!

I decided to try to do the kit with METAL instead of plastic.

I had so many ideas, that I went and spent $50.00 on miscellaneous, parts, etc. and got it to work.

The only problem, the chuck on my drill broke (was going), so I have a sheet of 22 gauge plated steel with all holes predrilled except the large center one (3.5").

The labor involved for a kit is estimated about an hour.

The good news is it was easier than I thought and is strong as hell. I was able to "flush mount" the light with the metal trim piece which the fog is attached to the trim piece with two screws for adjustment (up/down). The entire assembly is attached to the bumper with 4 screws. Just plug in the wire and you're done. Since it is metal, I will have to paint the metal "black"

So far it looks damn awesome!

Why did I do this? I wanted to "to try it" just in case the plastic fabrication is too damn expensive - still waiting on pricing. Also, I would have to spend some big money out of my pocket if it was expensive to be able to cut the plastic effectively. I didn't realize that the metal is easier for me to work with - much harder to screw up.

At this point, I estimate I can still sell the complete Metal Kit with fog lights for $90.00 shipped (no increase) (no brackets needed, as they are built onto the trim piece).

I might also sell just the GEN II Fog Light Mount piece for $25.00 shipped. Hot damn!

Now I gotta get a new drill, drill the holes, paint the assembly and take pictures, then on Tuesday/Wednesday mount it on the car with pictures. (Why so long - car is in the autobody getting rear bumper repainted - wife had too much fun the 1st snow and barely nicked the bumper on a median - getting APC CF's on the end).

We will have to see what the plastic fabricators say. If it is cheap, I will lower the price of the complete kit. If it is the same as the metal - I will sell the metal instead.

Later.

- Brian

P.S. 6-pack of beers in me right now.

[Newf]

only killer about metal is this

You paint is black, put it on car. Fine, looks great for a while.

After time your spray painted metal gets rock chips, and might start to look like crap, and even peel.

Just a thought. What Kind of paint are you thinking of?

At least with plastic, it's blac, and if it's hit with a rock, it's still black.......unless it cracks of course.

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

I would rather have metal. If it gets chipped up, I'll paint it again. For that price I can spend an hour every couple of years repainting the pieces. I would probably paint them to match my car anyway.

[Newf]

good point.
My only issue with metal is, is it going to look like a hacked job? are the edges going to be straight and smooth. If he gets a company to cut that plastic for him, it should be perfect, almost factory looking. Will the metal be the same or look like it was cut by a child with a pair of scissors.

[www.03msp.com]

Hi everyone!

Hope you are all doing good. 12:00AM CST now.

Here are my thoughts on your comments:

a) Rustoleum flat black, 5 coats + clear coat, 3 coats. This should last quite some time. Repainting it should take an hour after a period of time. Treat it the same as you would repainting your bumper.

b) No, not a hack job. I just cut two more pieces, no hole in the center, but I used my "bench grinder" and smoothed all the edges. I think it looks good. Remember, this is "crafted by hand". You'll just have to see the pictures (lots of them this time and hi-res) and make you're own call.

c) I would like to have plastic for the point of (a few minutes of my labor only) as well as every cut is equal - professionally done. and yes, no rock chip/paint issues.

Good night.

- Brian

[shaolin]

Hmmm sounds like a nice little kit...

[instylz]

Or you can do what I did with my Silver MSP and remove the lip and install factory fogs. Anyone want pics...hehe

[BoostedBlueMSP]

just make an option for those who want plastic and those who want metal. if someone orders it plastic they could spend a lil more and you could have the plastic one made for them

just a thought

[www.03msp.com]

Later this afternoon I am going to pick up a new drill. Once I do that, I can cut the holes, use the bench grinder to smooth the edges, then paint them. If all goes well, I can have pictures up tomorrow afternoon of the main product. Then on Tuesday, I can have pictures of the fogs in the main product and attached to the car. It will take less than 15 minutes total to put the assemblies on the car, and then another "x" time for wiring. The electrical is Pilot wiring. With the release of the GEN II kit, I will provide an explicit list of what comes with the kit.

[SP33D]

someone make me a fog light kit for my buddyclub 2 kit :o

[www.03msp.com]

Good evening!

It's 7:30PMCST and as promised I am posting a few pictures of the GEN II metal fog light assembly.

Before I do so, let me tell you, after a broken drill, 2 broken drill bits, and major injury to my left index finger (very hard to type right now), I have added up my TOTAL COST on hand crafting these babies as well as adding additional items to the kit. The price is substantially more than I had thought it would be. To make it worth my while, the total hand crafted METAL kit would be $115.00 shipped.

Depending on pricing with the plastic fabricators with the added items, I'm shooting for $90.00 shipped OR LESS.

The following pictures are plated steel, grinded and polished, prepainted. I then apply a four stage process to paint them. I will provide painted pictures tomorrow.

Enjoy, and let me know your feedback.

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

As promised, GEN II METAL - COMPLETED:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/1.jpg

[enigM@]

can u get installed pics?

i'd like to see the turn out

[Newf]

Looks good.

But I'd still choose plastic. Looks like metal is going to be a pain in the ass ( or fingers ) to do for you. Specially if you get a lot of orders. I'm still hoping the plastic ones have a more smooth and factory cut to them. not dis'n your work above man as you did an awesome job ( I could never do it ) though.

May even be an idea to buy 2 extra plastic things with your kits just in case a rock or something cracks it down the road.

how much of the screw heads are visible once the fog is in place?

[www.03msp.com]

Thanks for the compliments.

My finger is down to two bandaids from four and lots of gauze.

Man, I don't look forward to doing another metal set for a while.

It turned out really awesome as you said, but all in all I spent over four hours total making them and much $$$ in materials and I spent an additional $50.00 up front buying two more tools (not including a free replacement drill kit).

The outer four black headed' screw heads is all that will be visible. Though, they match the background trim though.

I will be taking more pictures Tuesday/Wednesday as I put them together and then on the car.

I would prefer to offer plastic as well.

So far, there are *3* choices...

a) The original bracket kit...

b) The GEN II Metal kit...

and

c) Hopefully the GEN II Plastic kit...

Tomorrow I should have final pricing and see where it takes us.

Signing off for now - remember, who can do it custom - I CAN!

- Brian

[kevducridr]

Nice work Brian, awaiting pricing. I would choose plastic over metal myself. Thanks for your efforts for the MSP community! :)

[Bijou-MP5]

good job Brian!!! :D you are really amazing!!!
ppl, he has skills, I have alot of custom job experiences and he knows what he's doing.
If I end up buying msp front lip, I would definetly get these babies!!!

[enigM@]

meeee too

[II-Savy]

Sounds like you have some interest here.

Like I said I'm on it, looks great. Metal or plastic is fine but I'd like a FULL kit.

[INiTiAL33]

Once i see the installed pics of these babies consider them SOLD! :D

[slyydrr]

looks incredibly yummy... mmmmmmmmmmm

[Newf]

...I'm just waiting on pics and I think I'll get it too.

[www.03msp.com]

Thanks for the feedback guys - I'm going to play it hard and heavy today with the plastic fabricators and see what I can find out.

Tuesday night should be complete pixs, Wednesday day pixs.

- Brian

[BoostedBlueMSP]

im in for the plastic for sure

[www.03msp.com]

Kit to go on and pictures to go up tonight. Just a few more hours...

No word on plastics - getting upset now.

May just "made to order" the metal ones....

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Hey no problems ! Metal good!

[swimmingweasel]

If you have any problems, I work for a company that does laser cutting. I know we can cut metal, wood, and acrylic (fiberglass), I'm not sure about plastic though. If your interested, send me an email, and I'll see what I can find out for you. I live in Grand Rapids, MI so I don't live very far from Chicago (like 2 hours). If you want some more info, contact me at swimmingweasel@hotmail.com I wish I coulda helped you out more a week or 2 ago, but I just got my car Friday, and just found this place tonight.

Chris

[Bijou-MP5]

Originally posted by swimmingweasel
If you have any problems, I work for a company that does laser cutting. I know we can cut metal, wood, and acrylic (fiberglass), I'm not sure about plastic though. If your interested, send me an email, and I'll see what I can find out for you. I live in Grand Rapids, MI so I don't live very far from Chicago (like 2 hours). If you want some more info, contact me at swimmingweasel@hotmail.com I wish I coulda helped you out more a week or 2 ago, but I just got my car Friday, and just found this place tonight.

Chris

welcome to the club!!!! :D

[pdhaudio83]

(omg)

A NEW GRAND RAPIDS MEMBER!!! W00T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (thumb) :D

[Dreeza]

woohoo! another michigander ! (hi) pdhaudio is oviously thrilled to see another person from grand rapids...

[pdhaudio83]

no shit!! :D

[www.03msp.com]

Good evening!

It's about 9:20PM, and I have spent that last couple hours owning up to a promise not to let you guys down!

Let's see where I should start first.

Regarding previous pictures in this thread that were linked to my website. I apologize, but they have been relocated/moved/deleted to make room for up-to-date pictures that are more applicable to the GENERATION II METAL product.

Secondly, I want to let you know that the following information is for the metal product.

Thirdly, during the entire "make it metal" process, I didn't exactly follow the tolerances (exact curveture) of what the FINAL plastic/metal product would be. BEWARE, MY paper/cardboard/plastic/digital and what was sent to the plastic fabricators is EXACTLY accurate and my metal prototype is not. Please do not complain as though the metal looks damn good, it does not fill all curves - hell, this was a prototype and I was getting used to the metal and fabrication. Again, this is NOT the final product. The final metal/plastic product will be EXACT.

Fourth, after removing the GEN I brackets, BTW - I'll sell for $15.00/each shipped (the brackets that is) I have five sets. We are going to discontinue this as the GEN II is so much more superior!

Fifth, if you don't take into the account the removal of the old brackets or digital pictures and documentation, the install proces (not including the wiring is literally *5 minutes* per side from unscrewing the bottom flap, popping out the cover, putting the entire assembly in with four screws and then screwing back the bottom flap.

Sixth, I was able to FLUSH MOUNT the fog light lens to the actual GEN II METAL assembly. It sits as far back (maybe have 1/4" more room) as possible. I would say for now we are going to stick to using these fog lights.

Seventh, no adjusting of the lights necessary. They are at PERFECT angle and are bright!

Eigth, the GEN II METAL KIT is really great! I personally would want to use plastic for the point of (professional laser cut, more durable, don't need to paint them, my labor would be a lot lower, parts would be a lot less, and I could offer these kits a hell of a lot cheaper than metal). Though, I can make the METAL KITS for $120.00 SHIPPED. These would be on a made to order basis.

Ninth, the local fabricator people don't seem to care about me, no calls, no nothing - so, * ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP ME OUT IN THIS FABRICATION PROCESS WOULD BE GREATLY REWARDED AND SHARE IN THE INITAL PROFITS/MARKETING/PRODUCT/WHAT-HAVE-YA * * PLEASE PM ME FOR COMMUNICATIONS *

Tenth, the drum roll, and please let me know your thoughts, honestly...... Thanks for the patience...

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/7.jpg
- Brian

[II-Savy]

Even though the price went up from 90 to 120, I think I'm still in......

I personally would like to see the real final product because as you said this is NOT the final product. It does look pretty good. I like the angle on view best. The light sits way back, very cool.

[enigM@]

wait.. it's $120 only for the metal kit, correct?

i might look into the plastic kit

[evilmonkeyMSP]

im definetly in on either the metal (if the final product fills the gaps) or preferably the plastic kit (when ever you find someone) but either way count me in.

BTW if we did go for the metal what would you think the estimated painting "cost" would be?

[www.03msp.com]

Price on metal went up due to cost of materials and for me to properly do it without breaking drill bits, burning out drills, or injury to myself I need to help fund some real tools to get the job done. Plastic is preferable. Final product - I'm not doing any more prototypes myself (as I have already proved it) unless it is plastic or someone wants metal kits then the first one I do for someone will be the "final".

Word.

[Scott]

I would defenitely be in for these. They honestly look better than I expected.

[INiTiAL33]

can you get some day time pics of them installed on your car?

thanks

and also.. can you do halo foglights?

[slyydrr]

I like 'em, I'd get some definately, lets just see how fast I can scrunge up that $120 :P

[www.03msp.com]

Good morning everybody!

I am shooting to take some day pictures today - though it is quite overcast out, but I'll take em' and post em' laster this afternoon.

The kit is made for the fog lights we are using. Let me tell you - it has been a rollercoaster of a time getting where we are. I haven't found any good, center-mount driving lights. If I had, this is what we would prefer as well. We are using top quality glass/metal, no plastic lights.

Regarding "paint", if we do the metal (whether in-garage or finding a metal fabricator), we would probably just paint them Rustoleum flat black to keep costs down as it is a very durable paint. We'd probably put a light clear coat on them as well. Having somone powdercoat the kits usually costs a lot of money and we are trying to keep the costs down. If someone chooses to paint them, I'd suggest they do it themselves or find someone to do it - this is as of right now, my thoughts may change.

I am going to be revising the website regarding the two generations of products (hopefully sometime today) and document the metal kit contents and see if I can drive the price down any.

This weekend I might take a stab at doing another "metal" kit as I have enough materials left to do it. We'll see.

Again, I need help finding plastic or metal fabricators that are willing to take a full scale (life size) .jpg and/or Autocad file, and give me a price for the type of material, thickness, and cuts they would charge. If you know anybody - please let me know!

DaveB - if you are out there - how do you make your gauge rings? Maybe you could help me out with this!?!?

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

I heard back from one of the fabricators. They are just being incompentant dicks. They are just too old of people to know how to take a .jpg, import it into their CAD program, raster it into a vector and output it to their CNC machine. Geez.

So, anyone out there know how to do the above so I can set the file to them or any other shop?

BTW - I'm going to order a sheet of plastic and take a stab doing this myself and see how good it looks (probably good enough for me, but you all - not too sure).

FYI - I just sent out "7" Emails to local metal fabricators/machine shops -- so we'll see what happens.

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

YEAH!

Found a local fabricator that actually understands what the heck I want to do and IS assisting me with the digital file formats and process to do this. NO PLASTIC. Metal, laser cut, paintable, mild steel. Awaiting on tomorrow morning to discuss pricing with them.

- Brian

[evilmonkeyMSP]

sweet deal, way to come through!!!

[Newf]

looking good, still very interested here. Good job again.

when you take you pictures, can you take a day shot of the car front on ( able to see hood, both lights etc ) without the lights on. Just very curious to see what the entire front of the car looks like with these fogs on.

[www.03msp.com]

Great news!

I have precision .dxf files that I have sent to two metal fabricators. I should hear back from both tomorrow, one local, the other in California (thanks to a member on this board who works there). It seems like plastic is not the way to go, but 20 gauge mild steel. If things are going the way I think they are, then the kits should retail for $100.00 or less. Tomorrow I will assemble a preliminary list of what comes in this kit and realistic estimated price. What is going to be reflected is the cost of the fabrication in my pocket, shipping, and markup (including additional parts to make it complete). Today I was going to take day pics but didn't have the opportunity. Tomorrow, I will try. I'm shooting to have a local fabricator get me a set of these things by Friday so I can get moving on the final stuff, post to the web site, blah blah blah. I'll keep everyone posted!

- Brian

[Bijou-MP5]

cool~ I can't wait for final stuff

[INiTiAL33]

Ok i just want to get this straight and clear....

i have a MP3......i installed the 03.5 MSP lip..... hence taking out the OEM fogs........... my OEM fog's wire is still hanging there behind the lip.......

now if i get your kit....... does my wire just simply connect to your fogs and BAM it works?

On a sidenote........ i dont know if im being anal or what... but i dont really like the look of the pilot foglights themselves :( It would be great to have some PIAAs or HELLAs in there but i think the problem is that they dont have a model that comes in the 4" size........... so my other question is..... are the Pilot ones our ONLY choice for this kit? No other brand that has models that fit this kit?

[Bijou-MP5]

Originally posted by INiTiAL33
Ok i just want to get this straight and clear....

i have a MP3......i installed the 03.5 MSP lip..... hence taking out the OEM fogs........... my OEM fog's wire is still hanging there behind the lip.......

now if i get your kit....... does my wire just simply connect to your fogs and BAM it works?


oh...good question... hmmmm

[nictlg7]

Are these fog lights included in the kit the angel eyes? Or are they just standard fog lights? The reason I ask, is because they carry these for like $30-40 that are angel eyes. They would look pretty sweet in that area I think. I will be interested in these if my car ever gets an engine. Fog lights are useless if my car does not have an engine or a trans in it...

[SpicyMchaggis]

zmzmp5..that list of cars in your sig..previously owned cars..or wishlist..please don't tell me you have all of those..i will steal them.

[Bijou-MP5]

Originally posted by SpicyMchaggis
zmzmp5..that list of cars in your sig..previously owned cars..or wishlist..please don't tell me you have all of those..i will steal them.

he was previsouly owned all those cars, but not anymore, I saw the pics when I was at his house.

[Newf]

I've been concerned with these fogs and their quality as well. They are a cheap set of fogs, so do they look cheap? and that blue outer rim might look great on the blue speeds/cars, but anything else and it might look a bit odd.

I'll reserve my judgement until I see more pics of it.

[www.03msp.com]

Ok i just want to get this straight and clear....

i have a MP3......i installed the 03.5 MSP lip..... hence taking out the OEM fogs........... my OEM fog's wire is still hanging there behind the lip.......

now if i get your kit....... does my wire just simply connect to your fogs and BAM it works?

On a sidenote........ i dont know if im being anal or what... but i dont really like the look of the pilot foglights themselves It would be great to have some PIAAs or HELLAs in there but i think the problem is that they dont have a model that comes in the 4" size........... so my other question is..... are the Pilot ones our ONLY choice for this kit? No other brand that has models that fit this kit?


Morning...sent a .dxf file to a plastic fabricator, we'll see what happens.

Let's try to answer your questions...

As long as you have a 03.5 MSP lip, the assembly will fit it! It doesn't matter what vehicle the lip is attached to. The assembly is affexed to the inner lip with four screws. Heck, if you used the lip in some fabricated manner on an Escort it would work!

Secondly, if you have a prewired stock/aftermarket foglight harness, yes, just plug the +/- wires to the +/- wires on the fog it will work.

Thirdly, though these Pilot's are around $40-$60.00 (depending where you look), they are metal casing with glass lens. They are no better/no less quality than the PIAA 40's. These are the ONLY lights that will sit flush (way far back) into the openings due to their 2.5" depth. BUT BUT BUT, these are NOT the only lights that you can fit into the NEW GEN II METAL (as of last night, 6:03PM) assembly. Any 3-4" center/side mounted light WILL FIT - You just have to worry about the depth. Remember, you have 2.75" behind the plate to work with. Whatever light you choose may protrude out from the plate and not be flush (but still look good).

Fourthly, in the kit that I offer with the NV-602W's, I'm not marking any profit up for the fog light kit. I am adding parts and products to this including the assembly which I'm concentrating on making money on. So, HOW MANY OF YOU JUST WANT TO BUY EVERYTHING BUT THE LIGHT KIT and you can screw around with what lights fit yourself (with a few recommendations)?

Okay, today should be a good day. I'm awaiting emails/calls with pricing. I'll let you know when I know.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

That's tempting .... I could possibly be interesting in getting my own lights and buy/use your "holders".

But I really like the idea of a complete kit I can just install....and now that you changed the price back to 100 complete, it's even better! I'll have to reserve my final decision based on what the whole deal looks like.

One or the other I will pay pal you as soon as you give the word they are available!

[GotBoost]

good deal man. I'm glad to hear it's all coming along nicely. I'll be ordering a set in march probably. no extra money to spend on the car until then :(

[ghost]

Ill be in on this also!!!!!! WOOT!!!

[www.03msp.com]

Working with a guy as we speak locally, so far, this is our take on things:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products.htm

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Dude NICE NICE job, very sweet....but HOLY SMALL TEXT BATMAN! :D :D

Questions: Why the whole roll of tape and package of wire ties?
and Why an additional blue rocker switch?

I'm not complaining just curious.

[www.03msp.com]

I'll make the text bigger (sorry).

Regarding the extra blue switch, some people might not like the Dukes of Hazard size red switch (though I'm using it under the Ebrake), so I thought I would include a smaller one that could fit in the blank panel near the dimmer switch.

Regarding the tie wraps and electrical tape - man, don't any of you know how to make your own nice pretty harness on the bench and plug and play into the engine bay?

- Brian

[II-Savy]

"I'll make the text bigger (sorry)."

No problem, I just copy/paste into word...:D

"Regarding the extra blue switch, some people might not like the Dukes of Hazard size red switch (though I'm using it under the Ebrake), so I thought I would include a smaller one that could fit in the blank panel near the dimmer switch."

Very VERY cool, I will absolutly use the blue one you mention near the dimmer. :cool:

"Regarding the tie wraps and electrical tape - man, don't any of you know how to make your own nice pretty harness on the bench and plug and play into the engine bay?"

Yes, but it costs you money to add the stuff and last I looked I have 4 rolls of e tape and 5 bags of wire ties, all different colors.

[www.03msp.com]

Yeah, but most people on the forum here don't have it. Believe me - it doesn't kill the cost whatsoever. If people complain, I'll strip the tape and ties out - price will not change.

Now, I am working with 3 metal fabricators and one plastic (still yet to hear back on).

It looks like the bidding is on.

- Brian

[Newf]

pics?

[www.03msp.com]

Found below is a day picture of my hand crafted GEN II metal. Remember, I have metal fabricators doing the FINAL piece. I will have full pics when they laser cut me two pieces.

Enjoy...



http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/7.jpg

P.S. It is so butt ass cold here in Illinois and today was the first time I heard the suspension "crunch" - OMG!

[enigM@]

o0o0o pretty

[Newf]

hmmmmmmm, undecided. Definitely paint them blue

[Newf]

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/fogkit/GENII/7.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/newf/smallfront.jpg

[www.03msp.com]

Nice comparison...

I updated our web page and YES, we can support a driving light.

Take a look at: http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products.htm

and for the specific light (though it is plastic housing, it appears to be pretty solid/protected behind our plate anyway):

http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pl361.jpg

[II-Savy]

Sweet dude so I read correctly.....20 additional dollars for the driving lights?

NIIIIICE. Can't wait, when can I send the money!? :D

[www.03msp.com]

Once we receive metal cuts from the fabricators (hopefully real soon), I'll assemble a set, paint it, put it on the car, and take pictures. This is when we call it FINAL - we'll let you know when we will be taking orders.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Ok sounds good. I'll be the first to do. Na matter how cold it is, I get these babies on!

[www.03msp.com]

Everyone!

Great news! After having a long conversation with an expert on this fabrication at a fabricators about 20 minutes away from here that does top quality aircraft and other work, he was able to get my digital pictures, converted CAD drawings, etc. all set for his laser machinery. We decided on 18 GAUGE (yes, thicker) mild steel that can be painted. He recommended a paint to me (which I already use) that he said he uses heavily on durable parts such as truck brakes, etc. The gentleman is a pleasure to work with and the only one so far that knows his shit. He has to speak with his production manager (which is out) and his boss (since we're special) and promised to call me back Monday. I already know I'm going to have to spend some money for the time he has spent, as well as a quarter of an hour on setup time on his laser machine amoritized over the initial order of five sets. Cost - hell, I don't know yet - but by industry analysts that I talk to, I think I'm in the sweet spot as what I have posted on the board. If all goes as planned, I should have something done by mid next week. Then, I will be placing orders in batches of 5-10 sets (depending on cost). He also offers powder coating - though he said it's not really needed as the paint used should work just fine.

Cheers. Impatiently waiting.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Cool, sounds like you got a good guy there to work with....and hell I don't even care about the paint, personally I wouldn't mind going to the "Depot" and buying primer and paint.....or like you say power coating here in South Winsdor.

I'll be in the first 5 orders.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

sweet deal!!! thanks for the awesome product. cant wait to see them!!!

ps Ive got the Laser Blue MSP also, if i order a set could you paint them form me??? lol i suck at painting.

[evilmonkeyMSP]

1 ? what is the difference between a fog light and driving lights???

[Bijou-MP5]

better and better~

[II-Savy]

Fog lights give off a flood of light a short distance, KINDA for when it's foggy, driving lights are more a beam style that will go a farther distance to light up your path. Personally I feel driving lights are more useful. Especially when you drive fast on country roads, you get to see more ahead of you. It is possible to over drive your lights.

[www.03msp.com]

As BIJOU-MP5 just said, it get's better and better...

I got a FIRM price from a member off this forum that happens to work for a fabricator. As far as I see, it's a done deal, ordered ten sets, awaiting shipment. As always, it's who you know. If all goes well, I should have everything by the end of next week. Test laser prints on paper line up "exactly" to the interior of the fog light opening on the bumper.

Pricing has dropped as well... $95.00 for Fog/$115.00 for Driving and $35.00 shipped for the main assembly.

It won't get any cheaper then this.

So, depending on your trust in me, despite my statement of "when I get it and it's on the car", if you would like to preorder, I am more than willing to accept Paypal and escrowing it appropriately. Waiting for my FEIN.

What is everyone's thoughts?

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

The 4" driving light (NOT THE FOG KIT) has to be nixed. This recent addition would have to make a major engineering change to accomodate the light due to the 4" full size diameter versus a 4", 1/4" face and 3.5" full size rear diameter. There would be no way to affix the unit (though center/side mount) to the plate unless it was welded - which we can't do, because the housing is PLASTIC.

I have updated the web site accordingly.

Sorry, we will look for another set by a different manufacturer.

FYI - Most 2.5"-3.0" center/side mounted lights do work (CATZ FET, PIAA Type), but it does not provide the flush OEM look hence why we did not mention them. We were concentrating on 4" purely. They do have 3.5" halo ringed lights that do work as well at Pep Boys.

- Brian

[Newf]

I cannot not wait to see the final thing :)

sucks with the driving lights though.

[II-Savy]

That sucks giant monkey balls....but maybe you can find a set of driving? also didn't somone say you can change out the bulbs to make them driving lights?

I just found out, driving lights are shaped differently in the back. That's what does it....hmmm I hope you can find some driving lights. I will send money right away.

[INiTiAL33]

Good job on everything you did so far and just wanted you to know that we are all really appreciative of what you have done and is doing.......

I really hope we can find another set of fogs tho coz im still being anal and im kinda iffy about these pilots..... just doesnt look good to me :(

[Newf]

big big BIG props for all the effort into this though

MEMBER OF THE MONTH!!! :)

[INiTiAL33]

anyone wanna do some research on these fogs? theyre so nice... would it fit the kit?


http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/12/web/336000-336999/336953_18.jpg

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/12/web/336000-336999/336953_9_full.jpg [/B][/QUOTE]

[Bijou-MP5]

pm protege5lava that's he car right there

[enigM@]

i'd so get it if they fit in the brackets

[www.03msp.com]

Update:

a) Waiting on a call/Email regarding production in Michigan.

b) Waiting on call Monday from a shop that did not quote me any $$$ yet, but seemed knowledgeable.

c) Received a quote from a local place, would have to charge $20 more for each kit, and possibly wait four weeks for first five sets.

Waiting on a) and researching more lights. See, the biggest deal is to have a face of 4" and a circumfrance of no more than 3.5-3.75" for flush mouting.

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

The Hella's do not work (Optilux) because they are not center/side mount but lower/side mount.

See:

http://www.hellausa.com/optilux/newoptilux/ProductPages/model2500.html

to see what I'm talking about.

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

These would work (but not flush):

http://www.hellausa.com/optilux/newoptilux/ProductPages/model962.html

and so would:

http://www.hellausa.com/optilux/newoptilux/ProductPages/model1300.html

and these would too:

http://www.hellausa.com/optilux/newoptilux/ProductPages/model1372.html

[II-Savy]

Are you willing to include what ever light we want .....within reason? Like a small list...?

[www.03msp.com]

UPDATE! WOO HOO WOO HOO WOO HOO UPDATE!

Thank you XXXXXX! Despite a small file format snag and splines, polygons, lines, and curves, and another wonderful "favor" from a software vendor, the product was going to be cut about 20 minutes ago, but will be cut and shipped out on Monday!

The final product is complete. Once I get them, I'll paint, install, and picturize it for you guys and will accept orders accordingly.

Regarding "whatever lights/list" within reason. That is fine, but you have to understand that I can not stock everything, but if I can obtain it from any of the retail stores here, then yes, I will do it. Remember, I'm not making money on the lights so there is no markup cost except for shipping weight for the lights I do not carry.

- Brian

[INiTiAL33]

Nice to hear the progress you are making.. cant wait to see the final product....

can you do some research on the possibilities of the halo fogs i posted pictures of a few posts back?

thanks

[Bigg Tim]

Can you fit the stock MSP or P5 ones in the holes? Is the diameter of the opening big enough? Or is the whole issue that the P5 ones would stick out?

[enigM@]

they'll stick out and look funny

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/blackp5/104_0498.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/blackp5/104_0499.jpg

[Bigg Tim]

Can't you just cut out the back of the hole so they will be recessed?

[II-Savy]

zmzmp5 - Thanks

I really just want driving lights. I almost don't care what kind and what they look like. I want that beam, not a pool of lazy light :D

[www.03msp.com]

You can not cut "behind the hole" because the lip is attached in the cutout area. Please do a SEARCH - as there are MANY discussions about this.

Yeah, I finally rebelled and said SEARCH!

For $25.00-$50.00 EXTRA I'll customize any light you recommend (within reason) to fit our product onto the car. The only requirement is that the lights are center/side mounted and that the diameter behind the glass face not be greater than 3.75".

[Bijou-MP5]

hey brian is piaa40 diameter is 4" ?

[www.03msp.com]

PIAA 40 is 6.5" and is bottom bolt mount

[Hercdriver]

Hey there folks. First post, just found your site. Just wanted to sound off for my intrest in the fog lights when they're finished.

[www.03msp.com]

Looking googlie eyed at the screen here for hours. I'm trying to modify this .dxf file to accomodate that 4" Pilot, plastic casing Driving light. I just need to increase an inner diamter .25" but what a bitch it is working with these damn file formats.

[www.03msp.com]

I did it! I did it! It's 12:18AM - been working for hours on this shit (not shit, but you know, this plate).

I have been able to work with my original design in .dxf format and have finalized it. I just sent this over in a document Email to XXXXXX explaining the changes and for them to call me Monday when they receive the file, review it, input it into their Laser Cutter and verify it cut okay.

I can now support 4" diameter front to back "driving" lights. So, we're on again. It's too late to update the web page right now, but this means I can virtually do any 4" diameter front to back. Man, talk about being skinny around the edges, but 4" is the absolute max - I squeezed another 2/8" of an inch and recentered.

All done. Very good.

Take care,

- Brian

[II-Savy]

SWEET! Dude once again very nice job. YOU ARE DA MAN!

Just say the word........cha ching! :D

(thumb) (spin) (yippy) (bow) (bowdown)

[www.03msp.com]

Good morning!

Though it is Saturday, I still have been working on the products.

I have 200% verified the new .dxf file/design. Furthermore, I had purchased the driving lights and they fit in the new design and fit in the bumper. The laser cut template fills the entire gap, nice and tight.

Surprisingly, my backup fabricator received the new file this morning and laser cut a piece. He understands that he is my backup and my primary business partner is in Michigan. I will have *8* kits available for shipment by end of next week, and will have pictures too.

I have updated our web page to reflect how to order. Though, we do not have an "automated" system as of yet (in the upcoming weeks), we do accept PayPal and the instructions to order the kits are posted.

We should have the www.03msp.com domain up very shortly.

I wanted to thank everyone who has participated in this thread and gave feedback as to the design of these kits. Shortly, we will be humbly incorporated and cranking these things out like crazy.

Until then, for those who are interested, PREORDER your kits NOW: http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products.htm.

Again, thanks for the support.

Regards,

Brian (zmzmp5)

[Devilspawn]

nice...can't wait...

[II-Savy]

Bump - To get this to the top. Any pics of the final product yet? I'll be doing a preorder for the driving lights but I wanted to see one pic of the final deal. Thanks.

[www.03msp.com]

Pics by end of week.

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/giilaser.jpg

[II-Savy]

Excellent thanks again. I can't wait to get these bad boys on my car. I hope it's not stupid cold. :rolleyes:

[www.03msp.com]

Can I get a count how many people want:

Fog Lights

Driving Lights

???

[II-Savy]

Here's a list to start names:

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Hey everybody!

I have just gone through and edited my prior posts of the pictures of my work in progress. I don't want people to be confused with prototype images, other than the hand crafted GEN II close up shot and what it will generally look like on the car. I figure between these two shots, people should get a darn good idea.

>> HOLD

Ahh, I just received a call and the pieces are being cut right now and will be shipped out today. I should have them by Wednesday. Once I receive them, that night, I will assemble eight GEN II-M assemblies and paint them flat black and one flat black with blue clearcoat. I will have pictures available of the assemblies the following day as well as the one with blue on the car with fog light (maybe driving light too). The following day I should have day pictures.

Until then - how come the silence from everyone?

- Brian

[Devilspawn]

Originally posted by zmzmp5
Can I get a count how many people want:

Fog Lights

Driving Lights

???

what really is the difference between the 2?

[II-Savy]

Driving lights give off a BEAM of light that goes out from the car into the road farther ahead of you. Fog lights "flood" the area right in front of the car. Basically driving lights light up more, way ahead of the car while fogs light up an area closer the car.

zmzmp5 - What's "with blue clearcoat" ?

[www.03msp.com]

Thanks for the fog/driving comparison for people.

Regarding painting, I'll outline the "normal process" used to paint metal that is handcrafted:

One coat - texture primer
One coat - base color
Two coats - primary color
Two coats - clear coat protection

What I am going to do for my car (and if others want it):

Two coats - primary color (don't need texture as laser cut, and don't need base as we are not anodizing the look of it with reflective paint)
Two coats - anodized blue clearcoat/mixed with clear coat (on black it is subtle, not refective in light, but provides a candy-like dark coating - still dark black/with blue coating = cheapest way to make it look good without spending $$$ on factory paint for blue cars

That's the dilly-yo!

- Brian

[evilmonkeyMSP]

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[II-Savy]

Hey that paint deal sounds good. Included in price? (yes)





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[evilmonkeyMSP]

i think he was giving a step by step if we wanted to do it ourselves....

[xelderx]

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[Hercdriver]

Is there any legal problems with the driving lights? Can you have them on while driving around town or are they going to be too bright?

[swimmingweasel]

There should be no legal problems unless you live an some kinda town that regulates everything.

[Newf]

I'll add myself to the list once I see pics of the final fogs/driving lamps.

[swimmingweasel]

UPS said they would be there tommorow, so the pics should be up in a few days.

[www.03msp.com]

I just wanted to throw another shout out to thank SwimmingWeasel as well as XXXXX for all the great effort put into this product as well as all the members in this thread. It was a dream - turned reality. WOW!

So far, it appears that I will have the product tommorow. I will assemble and paint at least half of them. A set will be installed and pictures will be up Wednesday (maybe tomorrow late).

Again, thank you.

- Brian

[muohio]

I'm really interested and will bite once I see the final pics. I like the fact that this kit will be complete.

[II-Savy]

List bump - Remember to include this list in new posts.



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Quick question... I was reading the instructions... either Brian or anyone else who knows... what exactly is meant by "make notches"...?

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What do the pics have to do with what light output you want? They will look the same from 2 feet away! Please choose which system you want....driving or fog.



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[kevducridr]

Sorry man, spaced out forgot to post the type. It doesn't have anything to do with that, I want to see some pics of the final product before buying. :D


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Got it :D

Now zmzmp5 will know how many to buy of each.

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Hey everybody!

If it's not the damn snow that hit Chicago, it's the W32.Novarg.A@mm virus. Geez, over 500 Emails in my admin account at work - life is grand, eh?

Final product status via UPS:

Jan 27, 2004 8:00 A.M. WESTMONT, IL, US OUT FOR DELIVERY

I have prepped to do 4 assemblies tonight. Depending on the warmth of my garage (it's mildly heated) I should have these assemblies painted black.

Regarding the black/blue, duh I tried my little trick and the combination came out purple/black like a black light. Man, it looks killer - but not the right color to put on the blue car.

Pictures:

a) I will provide, 1-front on close up shot of the assemblies each with a fog and driving light

b) I will provide, 1-front on close up shot installed (illuminated via flash) of the fog and driving light turned off and each turned on

c) I will not provide light output shots of what a fog or a driving lights are (at least of current) - look it up

d) I will not provide detailed night/day shots - If you can't figure out what the close up is, what's the difference 20 feet away...

I hope this answers your questions.

The drum roll starts now...

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

The shipment arrived at my home!

I'll be home in a few hours and start on the project.

On another note, I noticed that we can make the following work with our assembly as well:

http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pilot2dr.htm

I've spent some time today trying to find a place to source large quantities and I tell ya' - what a pain in the butt. I'm still looking and Emailed Pilot to see about becoming an authorized vendor of the lights.

FYI - See you tonight!

[II-Savy]

Those lights look sweet! WOW!


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[goku4658]

You can take those colored caps on and off right, so you can drive w/o them right? If so, those lights are hot!!

[Devilspawn]

Originally posted by zmzmp5

http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pilot2dr.htm


I like!!!!

[Devilspawn]

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[enigM@]

Originally posted by zmzmp5
http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pilot2dr.htm


do u know if the cap covers the entire lens?

[Bijou-MP5]

ppl check this out (omg)

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/pl361winstalledang.jpg

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/rawass.jpg

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/pl361wfronton.jpg

[enigM@]

have any other shots from further back?

[www.03msp.com]

Hey you! Yeah you! Throw some background jamz on will ya?

Now that we got the music going, turn up that MIC so you can all listen.

Okay, good, here we go:

First off, let me tell you that the laser cut product is top notch, first quality and is as accurate as my CAD .dxf file (I mean, wow!) I am definitely happy with the product and how it turned out (for a non professional like me).

Secondly, I want to throw another shout out to SwimmingWeasel and XXXXX - dude I owe you (we'll talk offline), and many props to XXX and XXX at XXXX. I will be using you guys and we'll see how things turn out with the orders!

Thirdly, I had so much to do, and was anxious to do EVERYTHING tonight. Well, I did it. My garage was barely warm enough where the two out of the four kits I did was barely dry. As an FYI - I normally paint and wait at least 12-24 hours before I touch the product. I was working with the product in under an hour. In any of the pictures that I had posted, if you see a smudge or a mark, this is why - otherwise, the other sets are dry and perfect!

Fourthly, I assembled one NV-602W fog set as well as one PL-361W driving light set. Honestly, I'm not too sure which one I really like. When assembling the kits, the NV-602W worked out like a champ when putting it together (as planned). The PL-361W, well let's just say I had to invert and modify the brackets I used. I was trying to make a one-style assembly well, uh uh, the laser cut piece is the same but the way the light goes on is different - screwed in the front instead of the rear for the driving light. Why? The driving light is 4" diameter front to back and a little over 3" from front to back (not that much room back there, so I had to mount it out a little bit with the bracket on the outside. The fog light has a rear mounted bracket, and though it could fit flush, I did not do it as I noticed that by having the light protrude out a little bit gives off better light (not blocked by bumper) and is now adjustable (up/down). The driving light is not adjustable (you don't need it).

Fifth, I want all of you to listen up. Without giving you a lecture on splines, polygons, and mathmatecal curvature equations, the "cut" is damn-near rounded in all places, though if you look closely, there are two areas where two curves join that could be smoothed out on my bench grinder, but I left it alone (I'm at the point where it looks good to me, so f*ck it). Furthermore, when you have the lights in the assemblies, and when you screw it into the bumper, it is up to you to center it. I made sure there was about 1/16" play. So, in the pictures, you will see the same plate mounted with a driving light and a fog light but you will see a little gap as I was rushing to get the job done. Again, looks good to me. Don't be anal with the 1/16" gap. It is totally adjustable (by your steady hand and lots of patience=> out of right about now).

Sixth, I have just about all the material to make eight more sets. I can tell you that the fog lights are readily available and the driving lights - limited availability.

Seven, I'm not too sure which lights I really like now. I got used to the fogs, but I do like the driving lights. I haven't had time to drive around with the, but they are pretty cool. They are not as powerful as my 6.5" PIAA 40's, but they do a pretty good job. The PL-361W driving lights have a tic-tac-toe grid insight the light, not too sure for what, other than maybe to create a direct beam.

Eighth, enough of this, order some will ya!

Ninth, again thanks for all the support.

Ten, you can see the pictures via a nice HTML page at:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/images.htm

or put up with them below! Moo ha ha ha.

- Brian

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/rawass.jpg

Raw assemblies...

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/nv602wass.jpg

NV-602W

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/nv602winstalled.jpg

NV-602W

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/nv602winstalledon.jpg

NV-602W

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/pl-361wass.jpg

PL-361W images from here on:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/pl361winstalled.jpg

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/pl361winstalledang.jpg

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/pl361winstalledon.jpg

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[enigM@]

Originally posted by zmzmp5

http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pilot2dr.htm


if the caps cover the whole lens i'll take a kit!!

but i won't be able to purchase it until i receive my lip and install it

[www.03msp.com]

Matttrix -

We are concentrating on the NV-602W and the PL-361W. Though, "I could do" the NV-607 for you". Though, the cost will have to be $150.00 due to the price of materials and my time for modification. Let me know what you want to do.

- Brian

[Devilspawn]

Originally posted by zmzmp5
Matttrix -

We are concentrating on the NV-602W and the PL-361W. Though, "I could do" the NV-607 for you". Though, the cost will have to be $150.00 due to the price of materials and my time for modification. Let me know what you want to do.

- Brian

I think I want the NV607s as well. Let me if you are going to go this route with a couple of them.

[www.03msp.com]

As I mentioned earlier, I can still do it (NV-607) for those who want it, price does not change - $150.00.

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

Early morning picture...

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/pl361wfrontondist.jpg

[II-Savy]

The driving lights on the side shot looks like ca ca. hmmm not sure what to do now. (scratch)

I also thought they would be tighter around the edge. I'm anal.

[www.03msp.com]

If you are going to make a statement "ca ca" I would expect that you would explain what you mean by "tighter around the edge".

Please advise to your explaination.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

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It's just too bad it doesn't fit RIGHT up against the side.

[www.03msp.com]

Now that is more like it! (smiles).

Circle: Regarding the l bracket on the exterior of the plate, yes, it was a design change as this driving light is so big and it is too deep that I could not stuff it back there without dremeling/rotoziping the bumper and even at that would ruin the structural integrity of how the lip connects to the bumper. Hence, why I was "hesitant" about saying we could support the driving light (all pretty) as there is no issues with the Fog light. The fog light has a rear bracket and is not deep. Like it or don't, it is functional (even for anal people like us).

Lines: Did you not understand my gap statement. If I had it flush to the sidesall the way around (it is within 1/16" tolerance) it would scrape the inside of the lip and damage your paint as the lip is at an apex. So, as stated before, YOU WILL HAVE NO GAP as long as you are steady with putting in the assembly, holding it there and screwing the four holes in. Remember, this is the fifth time I had a assembly in/out and that means screw holes are all over the rear of the plate because there was not a consistent screw hole template until final, so, it is not "fresh" as it would be on yours and hence not provide you any issues. Oh yeah, the passenger side, there is no gap on my car (I used the drivers side for multiple prototyping).

- Brian

[kevducridr]

Nice work Brian, I think that maybe the lack of adjustment could take up some of the gap you're talking about. I will take a pair of the Fog lights for sure, I'm changing my mind based on how the driving lights protrude. ;)

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When I posted the final pictures, I had TEN points regarding the understanding of the pictures. This was one of them "time". Heck, like I said, I "rushed it" to get the pictures up as I normally wait 24 hours to let the paint dry.

Yes, a little time and patience. I thought it was pretty darn good that I could assemble four sets, paint them, and work with two (both seperate fog and driving sets), do pictures, and reengineer the driving light to make it functional in under 3 hours.

Again, thanks for everyone who is listening and providing input. If I hear one more crack about the gap and people not reading the posts, see this:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/adjustment.jpg

Seriously and sarcastically yours,

Brian

[II-Savy]

Ok yea...I hear ya. I'm not rippin' on you, just trying to say my opinion. It looks like you spent a ton of time on these kits.

So you say with some adjustment the gap could be uniform around the light? Is this correct? Can you take a pick of the other side that you said looks good?

I wonder if there is some way to hide/cover whatever that clip on the driving light set.

All in all I think I will still purchase the driving light set.

I also had another idea, you could hide those screws with a cap or cover you can get at a hardware store.

[www.03msp.com]

I understand about "the bashing" thing - I'm not taking offense to that. Without spending any more time with my bumper (shit, I have to many little scratches because of the prototypes anyway) here are my thoughts:

The curves that are laser edged currently on the outer ege of the plates (can and will be smoothed down by my grinder) and you won't see those points (CAD splines).

Also, I can disregard the outside brackets for the driving lights and put them in the rear, but I would have to force the plate towards the front of the car about 1/2-3/4" of an inch, keeping the same distance that the driving light currently sticks out by using riser posts behind the plate meaning the plate would be out 1/2" or so from the actual lip. Though, at this point, those who are "anal" about it can buy four riser posts at Home Depot and four new screws per side and do it themselves as most of the people don't give a damn. Regarding covering those tiny little brackets up, yeah, a tiny piece of black 1/8" black adhesive foam strip (50 cents at Walmart for 8 1/2 x 11" sheet) will do the trick too! Regarding the screws, heck, they're black, you can get caps, but that will only increase the depth and diameter - again, left up to you.

Oh yeah, for those of you who don't want to spend time and center it, get some electrical tape and lay that down around the edges like a picture frame, but the assembly on and you won't see anything!

Remember, the fog lights are flawless in design. Who wanted the driving lights anyway, hmmmm????? I can make anything work and look good, remember THIS IS A KIT. I did not design the lights or the bumper, I'm trying to do the best that I can given what I have to work with.

Ideally, I would LOVE to put the Catz MSC bright as shit lights in here. Oh yeah, my plate WILL WORK with it, duh - but price is $$$.

- Brian

[INiTiAL33]

Can you do more shots of the full front but closer?

thanks.

[www.03msp.com]

Oh yeah, gotta' rant a little bit - it's Wednesday and the week is dragging -

I don't see anyone, anywhere with any solution besides mine in either a) beta or b) final product. I would love for someone to come out with a light and a "molded" surrounding for our car - is it going to happen - doubt it, limited production car.

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

Full front, yes, this weekend when it is light outside (maybe earlier).

So whomever wants what I have to offer, go to my web page and order via the ordering instructions.

Thanks.

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Hey I'm not the only one who wanted the driving lights :p Plus those are way more useful.

Riser posts, what are these?

[www.03msp.com]

Riser posts/plastic spacers

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http://www.vorlac.com.au/catresults.cfm?select=85&subcode=241&stock_no=17752

[II-Savy]

So your saying using the posts the bracket you made would be off the car a bit so the small bracket holding the light would be BEHIND your bracket hidden....yes?

[Devilspawn]

I don't mean to raise more questions, but I guess I have to know for sure. Are saying the fog lights sit flush right now and the driving lights do not? If so, I think I lean towards the fog lights (with a blue cover lens if I'm seeing it right). Also, the black bracket could/would be painted blue if we requested?

[slyydrr]

Originally posted by aiken
Quick question... I was reading the instructions... either Brian or anyone else who knows... what exactly is meant by "make notches"...?


Anyone??

[www.03msp.com]

I would have the bracket (as originally designed) be to the rear of the plate, but since the driving light is to deep, you will have to move the assembly and light attached towards the front of the car with four 1/2" spacers.

- Brian


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[www.03msp.com]

EDIT:

reread the instructions.

EDIT:

I updated them last night.

- Brian

[www.03msp.com]

Simply put...

Fog light lens is 2/8" distance from rear lens to front of plate (was flush, but couldn't adjust, raised it a bit so you can adjust light up/down) but brackets are behind the plate.

Driving light is 3/4" distance from front of lens to front of plate with brackets on front of plate (visible).

- Brian

[slyydrr]

Originally posted by zmzmp5
REREAD THE INSTRUCTIONS. I updated them last night.

- Brian

Whoa, relax man... I was simply asking again as no one had replied to me the first time... I thought it was overlooked, and seeing as I looked at the instructions again yesterday midday I figured it wouldn't have changed... And even then, they're still not very informative as to what purpose the "notching" serves... that's what I'm after. But the attitude man, I don't know where it's coming from, but I wouldn't suggest taking it out on a promising customer...

[www.03msp.com]

So sorry. I apologize. I didn't mean to have the CAPS as "yelling", rather restating to look at the instructions again. There will always be a critic of some sorts and people without the "engineering" metaility. No issues.

As an explaination of "notching". Notching, or known as cutting away the inner portions of the lip, accomodates the brackets/screws, and for the driving light, diameter of four inches. The inner lip is not four inches, therefore you need to "clear some room" to make these lights fit. Again, the purpose is to cram as much light in there as possible. Four inches is max. You could always use our assemblies with smaller 3 or 3.5" lights and have no inner clearance issues.

- Brian

[slyydrr]

Thanks... so pretty much just cut cut cut! About the caps, no explanation needed... its cool. I'm excited to order these badboys, which I will be doing shortly, seeing as the final version is in. Great work on an excellent product, again. :D

[www.03msp.com]

Yes, cut, but I didn't like the word "cut", because technically a cut just makes a mark in it, and "cut it out" people say "what", so I said notch, gave it a picture, because "notch" is technically a square cut-out. You could also take the plate without the light on the inside, and trace the inner circle edges and dremel it that way as well! Engineering hat off.

Guys - help me out here, please.

- Brian

[Bijou-MP5]

I'm just glad that zmzmp5 is making this kit for us. :D

I'm getting msp liip soon and I would need these babies anyway.

otherwise...it's too much pain for me to making custom kit by myself with no skills~;)

infact, he was the first one who put piaa40 driving fog light on his mp5 and mine :) he knows what he's doing. :D

[kevducridr]

Paypal sent 01/28/04 3:10pm, can't wait to get these intalled. Thanks again Brian for the hard work and dedication to the MSP'ers. :)

[Bijou-MP5]

Originally posted by kevducridr
Paypal sent 01/28/04 3:10pm, can't wait to get these intalled. Thanks again Brian for the hard work and dedication to the MSP'ers. :)

woot let us know about quality, if you get them!!!!

[kevducridr]

Will do, nice to meet you too btw. :D

[www.03msp.com]

Anyone want to spend $225.00 for a set of Catz MSC clears with the assembly? I'm itchin' to do them because these lights by far as the brightest/best I've seen in a 4" form factor and fog/driving at the same time - had them on my '99GTP and they were bright!

- Brian

[II-Savy]

One last question before I order the driving lights...

Are these small side brackets:
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Movable/changeable or are they welded/fixed on?
Like if I can do something about getting them BEHIND your large main bracket?

[www.03msp.com]

II-Savy,

I can do this for you:

Ship you whatever lights you would like and a finished fog light assembly. You can then remove the brackets from that and work with it however you would like. Remember, the plates are the same, the brackets are also the same (yet modified for front/back and cut down and screws as well).

- Brian

[II-Savy]

Done, Pay Pal done, 120 your way. :D

Send it as you suggest. Thanks very much.

When I get these, guys, I will do a full post.

Wait 1 to 2 weeks :rolleyes: :eek:

I WANT IT NOW! :D :D

[www.03msp.com]

II-Savy, check your PMs.

- Brian

[Bijou-MP5]

I'm just glad that he didn't trade his mp5 to other cars like civic lol
Brian is a very hard working individual, he won't steer you wrong, and usually does know what is best. Remember, he has had several import cars in a very short period of time - this is what he does and what he loves. ;)

[www.03msp.com]

Good morning everyone!

I just wanted to let you know that I broke the "size barrier". Get those dirty thoughts out of your head.

We are now offering 5.25" Driving Lights with 7-Color LED Halo.

The price is $135.00 and when coupled with our GENII-M assembly, the lights tuck "quite perfectly" into the lip opening (it dwarfs the assembly and there is no gaps). It looks OEM (like P5 fitment). We were able to do this because we are using the Pilot NV-362W and the way it is designed, especially with center/side mount capability provided a form-and-function fit.

We have updated our web site accordingly:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/

More information on this light can be found via the manufacturer web site:
http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pilot2as2.htm

Note: The manufacturer web site is actually not correct on the size nor is it really correct with the light output. The measured actual size is close to 5 1/4" and the light output on the packaging and by looking at the lens is driving.

I am not going to put them on my car because I don't "fancy" the Angel eye rings, but I do know they work because I did take one assembly out to test fit them. The wiring connectors were also different and I didn't want to mess with it. It does work. For whomever purchases these sets, could you send me digital pictures?

Also, these lights protrude forward about 1/2" more than the PL-361W driving lights without sticking out (or about 1.5" from the outer bumper/lip edges to the face of the lens.

Here are some REAL pictures:

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/nv362wass.jpg

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/nv362wassside.jpg

http://www.rtekimports.com/mazda/products/GENII/images/nv362wassringon.jpg

For those of you who put orders into me yesterday, if you are interested in upgrading to this set, you can PayPal me the difference today of $35.00 / $15.00 respectively and I will be able to ship two sets out tomorrow (Friday). Otherwise your original orders should go out between Monday-Wednesday (latest).

[kevducridr]

Brian, just to clarify. I am not up on the accent ring thing. You can choose between the 7 colors on any set of lights. Meaning all 7 colors are available for each set, no need to purchase and install different rings? You say these fit like a P5 fog, if so I would like to upgrade to this light from what I ordered. Awaiting your reply. :)

Also I would be more than happy to send you pics of them installed. Say for a slight discount. lol j/k. I will send pics.