HKS SSQV on STOCK pipes

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

I am going to try to put a dual BOV/BPV setup on my car this week. I have an injen intake, and stock IC pipes. I have a few ideas of how to make this work, but where should I put it? I have heard that it should be as close to the throttle body as possible. However, I want to mount it right underneath the MAF. This is like 18'' away from the throttle body. If we're running dual, does it really matter where it goes?

If anyone has been thinking about this, post away. If anyone has tried this, even if it failed gloriously, post. We need to figure out a way to kill the damn turkey without spending 1500 dollars to do so. I want my car to run smooth, but I don't want to throw away a small fortune to do it. (yet :p)

My idea is to mount a two-piece flange (custom machined) with gaskets to the flat edge of the lower IC pipe. Basically a metal ring on the inside of the pipe and a matching ring on the outside, with a big hose nipple attached. Gaskets between the metal and the plastic, and screws holding the two sides together. I have a flange for the HKS that accepts a 1" or so hose. Connect the hose, run a vaccum line and I'm done. Any ideas? Tell me why this might not work before I hack my car to hell and back.

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Bumpity Bump

SOMEONE must have tried this, or thought about it really hard at the very least

[SoniCraze]

its a good idea, if it works, i would put it about 6 inch from the TB.

can you elaborate a little on how you plan on gettin the HKS flange on plastic

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Mounting a flange to plastic is the big problem. The pipe to the throttle body is curvy as hell up near the throttle body, but it's straight under the MAF on my Injen. I figure I can attach it there if anywhere, but I don't know if this is too far away from the throttle body. Why should it be that close to the throttle body?

I'll try to load some pictures of my flange idea in a sec

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Here's some pics of my idea. I know the pipe doesn't quite look like that, but this gives you an idea of what I'm talking about. I'm actually planning on making the outer and inner flanges for the IC pipe contoured to the wall of the pipe, not flat as shown in the third pic.

HKS Flange Picture 1 (http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Mach%203.5%20Turbo/100_0330.jpg)

HKS Flange Picture 2 (http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mach 3.5 Turbo/100_0329.jpg)

Flange Picture (http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mach 3.5 Turbo/ic pipe flange.jpg )

Does the hole in the IC pipe have to be the same size as the hole in the BOV flange? This would work much better if I attached a small flange to the IC pipe and ran maybe a 3/4 inch ID hose to the BOV flange, then stepped it up there. I can make the adapter no problem, I just need to know if it would be worth the time machining. Any thoughts?

[Hypnotized]

What about using the HKS universal mounting pipe?

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Originally posted by Hypnotized
What about using the HKS universal mounting pipe?

I don't know what that is. Got any pictures or a website?

[ARunto]

I would use the universal mount.

[Hypnotized]

HKSUSA.com
Then go to BOV parts or something like that. Keep me posted.

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Ok, found it. Thanks:

Univeral Pipe Adapter (http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mach 3.5 Turbo/1273.jpg )

Looks like it might fit in there with some "finessing." Has anyone done this? Also, do any of you guys have any idea if this will work so far away from the throttle body?

[Hypnotized]

Would this work if you cut a piece of the stock piepe out and put this in its place using clamps?

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Looks like it could, but would the plastic grip the steel part well enough? Anyone know what the ID of the stock pipes are? The pipe is available in 45 and 50mm sizes. Looks like I'm out to measure . . .

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Ok, I just got back from the garage. My new flange is installed. If it works it only cost 10 bucks. I'll let everyone know if it works in a few hours. Pics to follow, maybe some video as well. I can't wait for everything to dry! Damn I'm excited.

I'll keep you posted.

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Turkey Killed! All on stock pipes, with an HKS SSQV. Nice Phhhsssht sound too. I used about $15.00 worth of stuff from the local Lowes, and a flange for a Mistubishi Eclipse. I'll tease y'all with a few pics tonight. Full story and little how-to coming soon. Bling Bling!

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mach 3.5 Turbo/100_0331.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mach 3.5 Turbo/100_0332.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mach 3.5 Turbo/100_0334.jpg

Screw Hardpipes!! (for now)

[jflo]

good job doode ! this is what many people have been trying to do for many months now...did u epoxy that plastic tube to your piping ?

[TurboMan]

Congratulations. I have been looking into doing something similar to this (one hardpipe), but i may not even need that. Thanks for pioneering and I eagerly await the how to.

[Emode]

is your stock bpv still connected and functional, also where are you running that vac line from?
btw nice job

[jflo]

yep...he's running the dual valve setup. looks like he's running that vac line from the lil' return hose on the back side of the engine

[Dexter]

great shit dude. i was thinking of putting it in that exact same spot, but i didnt know how to attach it to the plastic... what the hell did you use there?

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Yep, the flange is epoxied onto the intake pipe as close as you can get to the throttle body. My brother (great mechanic) took a look at my ideas for a metal flange and told me a real easy way to do it. I'll do a better write-up later today, but it's just basically some cheap plumbing supplies from Lowes. The flange itselft is just a 1 1/4" cap with the center drilled out, and rammed through from the inside. I found a thick rubber gasket from a drain stop fits on this snugly, so there is one of these on the inside and one on the outside. We epoxied inside and out, slid the black hose on, compressed everything as hard as we could by hand, and tightened up a hose clamp on the whole deal. Half an hour later, rock solid. Mount the BOV and you're done.

For the vaccuum line, I t's off of the really short line coming out the top of the intake manifold. It might be 3 inches long. Adjusted it once, and it ran smooth all night. The parts cost maybe 5 dollars, including the hose clamps. I had to buy the epoxy and 2 hole saws since I didn't have them, and all in all my bill was about $16.00. Not too shabby. :D

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

And yeah, I'm running the stock BPV in the stock location. Never touched it except for when I installed the Injen. I couldn't get it to stall last night, I'll see how it works today.

[MazdaSpeedTurbo]

well im glad to see the BOV i sold you worked i miss the sound =( oh well income tax time and new job i have it back =) then u can show me how yours sounds..

[Got_boost02]

more pics dude!! i was tring to do this but didnt want to cut into my stock pipes until i was sure it would work. what about pressure leaks? do you thin that you have any around your epoxy somewhere? or what about down the road? i would think that there would be to much boost pressure for the epoxy to hold?? also, could you list the exact epoxy you used? thanks man!

[Got_boost02]

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[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

It certainly doesn't seem to leak at all, but I have no real way to test it going down the road. I doesn't make any new noises until it blows off. I used JB Qwik, which is a really nasty product that works on everything. Make sure you don't get it on ANYTHING but your working surface though, cuz it aint comin off. If a normal BOV is held on with just a rubber O-ring or a crimp-fit hose clamp, an epoxy can easily hold the pressure. The strength of the stuff is rated at 2000 psi, but I'm not sure how that actually related to real pressure (I think they rate tensile strength?). Besides, the pipes are plastic anyway. If the epoxy is going to fail, the pipe is going to fail first. I think you'll understand a little better when I show some pictures of the parts I used. I'll start a new thread sometime tonight.

[tiwing]

NICE! I tried something similar a month ago but i put it on the flat part of the IC -> TB pipe. I used an ABS sleeve to go around the pipe and a rubber gasket held on with pipe clamps. Thing is I was using the Turbosmart dual port valve and the stock spring is too stiff - helped with the Turkey, but didn't kill it all together. So screw it, I'm getting hard pipes installed this weekend. I'm glad someone made it work though!!!

[505zoom]

Originally posted by Mach 3.5 Turbo
Turkey Killed! All on stock pipes, with an HKS SSQV. Nice Phhhsssht sound too.

(drinks)

That sound is great huh??? The first time I heard it from my car and knew that the surge was gone I was more than happy(headbang) . Congrats on attatching the HKS to the stock pipes, that connection looks real good.

Add your findings to the "Kill your turkeys" thread in the How-to section if you want to, otherwise I will update the first post directing stock-pipers to your new thread.

Good stuff:)

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

Chagned my mind. I'll start a new thread when I have some better pictures and some time to do it right. I don't want to half-ass it. Hopefully tommorow. Anyway, if you guys have any questions let me know. Trust me when I say this is holding STRONG. I could hang from this flange, and I'm a big fella. :D :D

Lovin it! Psssshhhht!

[Dr.Sound]

make sure to post a link in this thread :D
oh, and good job man!

[Got_boost02]

yes, please do post a link to your new write up. i thought i was in understanding with what you did, but now that i go back through i guess i didnt. cause i went out to lowes and got some shit, but it wouldnt be the way you did it, i still dont understand the whole gasket thing, but im sure youll discuss that in your how to. also, the jb quick you used, does that differ from the jb weld stuff, cuase they only had one kind at lowes so i got some kind of lock tight epoxy gel. owell, let us know, i cant wait to get my BOV on, its been in my truck for about 2 months cause i could develope a good idea. thanks bro!

[Mach 3.5 Turbo]

New write-up posted. Abandon thread!

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