Putting in a Custom FMIC as we speak :)

[CustomMSP]

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Routing the pipes is going to a little hard with 2.5" pipes all around. I didn't realize there's very little space to work with around the turbo at first. Still waiting for my hoses. If anyone has an suggestions please don't hesitate to speak :)

Later.

Disclaimer: All pictures in this thread are the property of their owners!

[azian6er]

take out the stock ic and use that space/

-B

[Bremmer]

What kind of intercooler/core is it?

[03MSP]

Originally posted by azian6er
take out the stock ic and use that space/

-B

You need to keep the stock I/C for radiator support, unless you get a full size radiator.

[CustomMSP]

It's a extruded spearco STYLE core. Got the IC mounter. Now comes the fun part.

[jred321]

i think he meant while installing. i was going to say take out that whole assembly, radiator, fans and stock ic. it'll give you more room to work

[raku]

this goes without saying, but whatever u do, just dont jam stuff out of the way, haha. i learned the hard way with a cai on my old lancer.

[azian6er]

Originally posted by 03MSP
You need to keep the stock I/C for radiator support, unless you get a full size radiator.

not if you did like i did and drilled new mounting holes;)


-B

[02.5 P5]

keep the pictures coming...

[03MSP]

Originally posted by azian6er
not if you did like i did and drilled new mounting holes;)


-B

*bows head and walks away*

[CustomMSP]

Shit, my pipes are too big for the IC-Turbo inlet side! :mad:

[02.5 P5]

ask azian6er what he did, i think he used that same size piping...

[CustomMSP]

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A little update. Pic # 01511.jpg is my solution for the pipe not fitting.

[dominoy2k1]

how much did it cost to get all the pipes?

[azian6er]

way to be enterprising about the project. Reminds me of when i did mine:'( a couple of questions....

First, I see you ran the MAF through your IC pipes. I was wondering why you did this. Also, is it running good this way?

Second, why did you have to hammer the pipe down?

-B

Also, could you get some pics from farther away with your car on the ground?

[CustomMSP]

Calling it a day. I hammered the pipe down because that's the only way it would squize through all the ac lines and the radiator going to the turbo. Still it's not enough clearance for my taste. I don't want to risk it. It's either get more pipes in 2" diameter of just give up on the FMIC and make hard pipes. Unless someone that did a custom job with 2.5" all around can help me out here. Plus, on the IC->turbo side the pipes are ran underneath the car where it'll probably introduce ground clearance issues. I couldn't find a place to just run the pipes straight through.

I put the maf on the pressure side because I was told that the car doesn't mind having an open vent BOV this way. And the BOV is very loud this way.

5 180deg bend 24" leg pipes were 140 shipped from JCWitney.
Choose your radius wisely if you're going to order pipes. I didn't :(

Thanks.

[turboge]

You're probably going to melt the MAF sensor soon.

[CustomMSP]

Well the car isn't running yet. But why do you say that? Other members of this forum are running a setup like that for atleast 6 months with no problems.

Thanks.

[turboge]

I haven't seen a single MSP with a blow through MAF setup. The sensor inside measuring airflow is very thin and brittle. Hopefully it'll work for you, let us know how it goes.

[CustomMSP]

It does look brittle, but I want to run open vent. Choises choises, expensive choises too unfortunately

Thanks.

[CustomMSP]

Azian6er,

Are you running 2.5" pipes all around with your setup? If so, can you make any suggestions? If you look at pics 16-18 you can see where I run into problems.

Thanks.

[ylmazdaspeed]

take a look at where the IC pipes run on the ION kit. Sorry for the large pics.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/phantom/fmic_05.jpg
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/phantom/fmic_02.jpg

Not to sure if theres a hole there already but if not they made on in a good spot it looks like.


A solution for the IC pipes clearing the AC lines would be to swap the fan, not sure if it's the rad fan or AC fan with a slim fan an mount it on teh front of the rad instead of behind.


Anyone who's done the ION FMIC install want to comment because I'm very interested in this too.

[DiS]

NU CHO ZA NAFIG DA! Kruto Kruto. Sorry just had to congratulate in Russian :D
Sweet. Finally people getting rid of wacky stock IC's. Good luck with that FMIC bro. Ill cya soon.

[byohndspeed]

whatever you do make sure you do a pressure test..take off the intake side of turbo and block it off(must be airtight)then pump air into the intake track and see if you have any leaks..

[CustomMSP]

That pipe in the spool install pic is rubbing right against the ac line. And that's with 2" pipes. That's where I had mine come up, but it wasn't clearing as much as I wanted it to. Thanks again. I'll see what we can come up with today.

[Brian MP5T]

Keep at it man. Like I told you before. It will eventually work out for you. Take your time. It's worth the wait.

[azian6er]

ok, ill lend my word. I used 2.5 all the way for all my tubing, BUT i did something most wont do, in that i removed my re-bar Behind my bumper cover. I di not want to, but i figure that if i get in an accident at 65 mph on the freeway or higher its gonna be ugly anways.

SO, that having been said, I removed the stock ic and ran the turbo to IC pipe through the space where the stock ic was and along the top of the ic (where the stock RE-bar is and into the passengfer side of the IC. It is a lot of pipe, but it seems to fit nicely.

here are some pics:

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/fmic speed protege 003.jpg
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http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/fmic speed protege vid cam 001.jpg
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/fmic speed protege vid cam 003.jpg
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/fmic speed protege vid cam 008.jpg

If you have any more Q'2 feel free to ask.

-B

[Brian MP5T]

I did a similar thing but kept the sides of the bumper...

Pic...

[CustomMSP]

Looking good guyz looking good! The bumper cover clears and the pipes are starting to take shape. Damn bro that's a little to extreme for my taste.:eek: But thanks for the pics.

Pic of where the pipe to the turbo comes up from http://codewizz.com/msp/dsc01519.jpg

[ylmazdaspeed]

IMO from the look at that pic, take out the fan and replace with a slim fan and mount it infront of the rad instead of behind.

[CustomMSP]

Alright, made a lot of progress so far.

http://codewizz.com/MSP/DSC01528.JPG
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Thanks.

[dominoy2k1]

its coming together really cool....

[CustomMSP]

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Just need to weld the BOV flange and put everything together. Also need to cut the bumper cover a little by the drivers' side fog light hole. Let me tell you the paint doesn't want to cooperate at about 25deg ferrenhit

[azian6er]

if you get a chance later on try to powdercoat them it will look 100x better. like this:

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/mods.2 003.jpg

-B

[CustomMSP]

Just finished testing out the system at 3:33 AM. Works very well, I can tell a difference at stock boost the engine is a lot smoother throughout the rpm range no more hesitation between 4-5 k rpm. The mistsu BOV sounds exactly like the greddy type S and is loud as hell. No leaks are found, except that the shitty hoses I'm using right now keep popping off :mad: I can hear a few bangs and rattle here and there, one of which I know exactly where. Will work on that very soon. I'll get more pics up very soon. Thanks to everybody for you support :)

[Emode]

nice job

[Brian MP5T]

Schweet Job,

[indulf]

http://codewizz.com/msp/dsc01539.jpg

please tell me you're going to get a flap wheel and grind those welds down... if i were you id cut it ant TIG those joints so it looks nice and smooth. what kind of welder did you use?

[Pirana]

MIG?

[hukster00]

so i gess the blow through MAF setup is working for ya, :D

[BLURSPEED]

Looks good custommsp..glad to see you placed the MAF on the intercooler pipes. It sounds awesome huh?

[BLURSPEED]

My friend and I were going to go 2 1/2 like you did but knew we'd run into some problems so just went with 2 1/4.

[BLURSPEED]

Unfortunately I'm going to be selling mine along with my 18 inch Racing Hart CP8's in the next few weeks. Then when it comes closer to trading the car in I'll be selling everything else. Only thing I'll be keeping on the car is the lowering springs, tint of course, and carbon fiber shift knob ebrake handle. I must admit that it was real fun and I'm not getting rid of it because I don't like the car. It's just that right now isn't the best time. I've poured out like $4,000 on the MSP and my previous car (240sx) had about $7,000 in upgrades. So I'm going to take a break and just get a SUV. My inlaws are coming in a few months and will be staying with my wife and I. I'll be back into this hobby a few years from now. So if anyone is interested in FMIC or 18 inch rims just PM me. As of right now I'm only going to sell locally ( VEGAS) or someone near that is willing to drive down. Good deal waiting for you guys. Peace!

[AutoBox]

sad to see you go blur...good luck


any ill effects from the blow thru setup yet?

[BLURSPEED]

There hasn't been any bad effects yet. It's been a few months already and no problems at all. I'll still be checking in and out of this forum even without the MSP. I must admit that I've gotten lots and lots of info from this forum. You guys are the best!

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by CustomMSP
No leaks are found, except that the shitty hoses I'm using right now keep popping off :mad:

A trick you can do to keep the hoses from popping off is to weld a bead around the pipe just a bit from the end. That way, you have a ridge that keeps the clamp and hose from sliding off.

[CustomMSP]

Yeah we done one of the pipes like that, but didn't have time to do the others. We're going to go over everything again when I get my "real" hoses. I'll tell you one thing, the car is silky smooth without the turbo :) This is just a "prototype" setup. We're going to go back and clean up all the welds and powedercoat the pipes. I painted them with rust resistant paint for now.

Thanks.

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[LiLiTaLy]

It looks awesome from the front.

[ylmazdaspeed]

how does the car run...?

[CustomMSP]

Fucking hoses keep popping off damn it! :mad: I desperataly need a 90deg silicone hose for the damn throttle body!!

[BLURSPEED]

I went throug the same thing too bro. It took my friend and I about 2 hours to finally get it to stay. We just kept adjusting and adjusting. Your using tbolt clamps right? Mine was the same location as yours also plus the pipe that goes after the MAF. The bead option is one route and another is to get hump hoses which is what I was going to do. But know how you feel man. It sucks bad.

[CustomMSP]

Not using t-bolt clamps. Is that going to help more than beading the pipes? Because I don't have time to take all the pipes off and bead them. Making a new pipe for the throttle body right now.

[PaulMP3]

looking good..

[BLURSPEED]

T bolt clamps will make a difference from your normal clamps.

[azian6er]

def. use the t-bolts.

-B

[CustomMSP]

Ok...

Made more progress... We've made a new pipe that goes from the TB to the maf. Works a lot better and no more clearance issues. I'll still buy a 90deg bend hose and just replace that pipe with a straight pipe, because this one is ugly but it works! Also went over most of the pipes and put beads on them. Cleaned some more welds. I'll some pics up soon. The car pulls like a bull! :D I was finally able to hit boost more than once on my test drive and it feels awesome! The BOV goes off all the time...I hope the maf lasts in this configuration. One thing I noticed was something that looked like oil in and on top of the turbo outlet. Has anyone else noticed this? Is this normal?

Thanks everybody for all your support. I'm sure lots of people will benefit from this thread.

[dominoy2k1]

looks pimp, how much you pay for the IC?

[azian6er]

what are the specs on the core you used? what company made it?

dimensions?

-B

just curious because i just bought this one and i want to see how it will comapre to yours:
It measures 30.5x8x3inches 2.5 inch inlets

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/87_1.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/d2_1.jpg

[CustomMSP]

The IC I bought is:

- CORE Dimensions: 26"x5.5"x2.7"
- Tank size: 3"x5.5"x2.5"
- Inlets: 2 1/2" OD
- Overall dimensions 33"x5.8"x3"
- Mounting Brackets: 1/8" aluminum
- ZERO leak at 40 PSI pressure test

It's a spearco knock off, same type of core.

I got on ebay for 290 shipped.

[low_psi]

looks good on the car. i'm glad you're cleaning up those welds :) hope you can get the kit to 100% soon.

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by azian6er
what are the specs on the core you used? what company made it?

dimensions?

-B
just curious because i just bought this one and i want to see how it will comapre to yours:
It measures 30.5x8x3inches 2.5 inch inlets

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/azian6er/d2_1.jpg

Looks nice and big. It's really fucking tall, was it purchased to that specification or was it off the shelf for something else and you liked the size??

[Got_boost02]

that thing is huge!! i love it, but its it gonna fit in there?

[azian6er]

i dont think that that is the "actual" picture of the IC. If you look at the other pic you will see how tall it is. it is 30.5x8x3 so that pic that you quoted of mince looks more like 12inches,

-B

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by CustomMSP
The IC I bought is:

- CORE Dimensions: 26"x5.5"x2.7"
- Tank size: 3"x5.5"x2.5"
- Inlets: 2 1/2" OD
- Overall dimensions 33"x5.8"x3"
- Mounting Brackets: 1/8" aluminum
- ZERO leak at 40 PSI pressure test

It's a spearco knock off, same type of core.

I got on ebay for 290 shipped.

Any flow numbers come with it?

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
Any flow numbers come with it?

Judging by the way the Stock IC is, There is many more flowpaths in the FMIC that he has gotten. I think it's a great idea; there should be no problem with flow on an intercooler like this for a little T-25 and 2.0 DOHC. I know you were curious and this isn't a flame directed at you at all.

I think this is the first thing anyone shoud do to a MSP. Hard pipes and FMIC. It's a good way to avoid detonation or at least reduce the chance of it.
Second for me is Fuel Management,
Third...Turbo Back Exaust,
Fourth...Boost controller.

[CustomMSP]

I did the mbc first and the exhaust second. But the boost controller was on and off. The car is running very well, until a hose pops off, but that's not a big deal as of yet. I went for about 60mi before the first hose popped off. Only because it's a shitty rubber hose that contracted as it got hot. The second time a hose popped off was in about another 60 mi. That's pretty good I guess. The turbo sounds very nice too.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by Brian MP5T
Judging by the way the Stock IC is, There is many more flowpaths in the FMIC that he has gotten. I think it's a great idea; there should be no problem with flow on an intercooler like this for a little T-25 and 2.0 DOHC. I know you were curious and this isn't a flame directed at you at all.

I think this is the first thing anyone shoud do to a MSP. Hard pipes and FMIC. It's a good way to avoid detonation or at least reduce the chance of it.
Second for me is Fuel Management,
Third...Turbo Back Exaust,
Fourth...Boost controller.


Brian, I doubt there would be a problem either. Just no one ever mentions flow capabilities or how well the ICs transfer heat.

Hey CustomMSP, are you re-tightening the clamps after you heat cycle them? Also, did you try cleaning all the mating surfaces with something like isopropyl alcohol? That may help get rid of any residual gunk.

[PaulMP3]

use hairspray where you put your couplings on the pipes, it will help keep them on there.. I had one that blew off twice, i used hairspray that night, hasnt happened since..'

[CustomMSP]

Very good ideas! I just got my good silicone hoses in but it's too damn cold outside and in my garage. I found out the hard way that the clamps need to be retightened after the hoses go through a heat cycle. I should put on the new hoses though I don't know...

[SmoothCriminal]

well, I'm hoppin on the bandwagon, I got a starion FMIC and a 1g DSM bov, gonna go with 2.25" piping, but I think I may try to get a muffler shop to do it for me since I dont have a welder

[CustomMSP]

That's what I'm talking about!!

[silverturbozoom]

LOOKS GREAT MAN(thumb)

[CustomMSP]

that was an accident the reply that is sorry... But Thanks. a lot have changed since the initial install though :)

[SoniCraze]

Ive talked with a few friends to try and get a custum fmic....w/ a bov and SS pipe, i/c its about 800$...only 100 cheeper than the hiboost...i dono what route i wanna take.

[Brian MP5T]

How Well do you know them and the quality of their work?

Yikes...?

[THEGOLDPRO]

i have 2.5 inch intercooler piping for sale, if anyone needs it, check the forsale section, btw your setup looks good, glad to see you cleaned up the welds.

[CustomMSP]

What's up Brian...How have you been? I think you should just buy the hiboost kit so you don't have to go though the trouble of making/routing/welding/cleaning the pipes. Plus you never know how it's going to work out for you and you might have to redo the work. Spend the extra $100 for something proven.

Good luck.

[Brian MP5T]

Proven Is Better!!

[t3ase]

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