Here is another blown motor

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Happen saturday day afternoon, the dealership called me wanting me to bring the mazdaspeed in so some customers could look at it and see the what the blazing yellow look like since there is none around here where i live. So i went and took the for a ride with the dealership guy in the car cause he never been in one. so i take off (the four of us) and make my way to the highway were i could show them a little bit of what the car could do and and just before that i saw the oil light come on then the car died on me. so i pushed in the clutch and started it again and heard the metal on metal sound and quickly pushed in the clutch again and pulled over the side of the road:confused: I knew what had happened after reading AZMSP and twistedjeckel!!! With 13,000 miles on the car i was like :wtf: the bad thing is that the dealership won't cover it (since they were in the car with me & know my mods) but its all good anyways since i wanted forged internals anyway. but here's the list of what mazda said it'll cost to fix it their way
Engine (short block) $ 2,520.35
gasket set $ 327.06
oil $ 45.00
plugs & misc fluids $ 250.00
cylinder head $ 995.80
silicon tubing $ 25.00
stainer & gasket $ 39.00
oil pan $ 93.74
sub total $ 4295.95
tax $ 193.32
shop supplies $ 19.95
labor (i like this one) $ 2,450.00
total $ 6,959.22

so can anybody beat this price instead of the dealership i'll pay w/ money order or cashiers check but i want forged internals or just some assistance to what i need to buy any help will be much appreciated.

[SpicyMSP]

Did it spike or were you even boosting at the time? That sucks, sorry to hear. All theese blown motor threads are slowly convincing me to remove my MBC

[ForceFed]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
Did it spike or were you even boosting at the time? That sucks, sorry to hear. All theese blown motor threads are slowly convincing me to remove my MBC

NO DOUBT!
DO TELL!
Matt:(

[SpicyMSP]

and I have 36K on my car. So I am curious why theese motors are going out. I know that Mazda is going to be releasing A notice to MSP owners that states boosting more then stock is a bad Idea for the car.

[twiztedjeckel]

another one bites the dust....da da da, another one ..........


you get the point

[Captain KRM P5]

i blew my engine via turbo and had the whole thing fixed, parts and labor, for less than 2,000 dollars. so yes, i can definetely beat that price, and easily.

independent shop labor for engine swap = $1100
low mileage FS-DE engine complete from junked Protege = $600

I didn't do forged internals, but tack on $700 for rods and you're still only looking at $2,500 or so. Finding a 2.0 FS-DE is easy, and having rods/pistons put into basically makes a rebuild job giving you a brand new motor.

how much boost were you running?

[duMb KeoLa]

damn!!!...if i were you id just buy a used protege 2.0L engine and go from there...i think perfworks has some pistons and rods for sale at some damn good prices...youd spend only about 1000 for the used engine and by the time youre done rebuilding it it will be brand new...

just a thought

[Speed Vision]

Fuc,that's all I can say on that. Sorry to hear about that. What dealership were you at. If you were at Hall, I wouldn't have done shyt for them. They were trying to sell me a Blue Speed for $23,000. I almost told the lead Salesman to kiss my ass. But the female sales lady there is madd cool.

But anyway, I'm really sorry to hear about your engine. I know of one shop over in Chesp. that may be able to do the work. He is primarily a Euro Tuner guy, but he will do work on almost any Import. He's an older established guy that loves BMW's. The shop is called Sports and Imports. 545-9394. The owners name is Mike Roberts. He is kinda pricey, but he will def. do the job right and won't BS you. Good luck.

By the way, I'm in NN, and frequent the Beach. I use to work over at Ft. Story.

[mazdaspeedpower]

I think all the stories of blown engines has convinced me to not up my boost till I go forged, and get some form or another of engine management. Anyhting else I should consider so I don't have to blow my engine. And to make this somehwhat relevent to the thread, I think using a used block would be a good idea, cause it's alot fucking cheaper. Plus, since you'll have it taken out and stuff, if you have enough cash, you should get it Ported and Polished, so you can get a littloe something performance wise outta the whole expreience. Good luck though, and man, the horror stories of boosting are starting to scare me. PM me with ideas of what I should do before upping my boost. thnx.

[Mspeedchica3.5]

smooth boost no spike
it was hall va bch i live right down the road from there

[rocketspeed]

Upping the boost is a baaad idea, it appears, on the MSP. No surprise, as the motor was not designed with FI in mind like the VW 1.8t or the SRT-4's 2.4.

[Mspeedchica3.5]

customers in my car that i was showing off for still bought a mazdspeed after they knew i blew the engine!!!!

[rocketspeed]

guess they plan on leaving it stock!

[Dexter]

fuck you, youre dumb

[rocketspeed]

Huh?

[Dexter]

not you, dircted to the engine blower.

[irr5302]

how much boost

[twiztedjeckel]

Originally posted by Dexter
fuck you, youre dumb

wow. somebody's got a chip on his shoulder and a head up his ass tonight. nice seein ya around Dex

[BlkZoomZoom]

hhhmmmm......that's pretty good, blew your engine saturday and you have an estimate on monday afternoon. sounds like the dealership isn't really busy or their bending over backwards for ya.

[SpicyMchaggis]

dexter always bringing a smile to the forums.

[rocketspeed]

Spicy McHaggis is a funny name.

[YP5 Toronto]

if you are going forged.....go with a used engine....

i just bought a 2003 P5 engine with less than 10,000 km for $900 CDN.


1) go with ARP hardware
2) go with a RCC

if you are going to spend some serious cash... then get everything ceramic coated (piston domes, moly lube the skirts, valves, rockers...etc)

I am in the midst of building a new motor as we speak... forged everything and ceramic coated.


JoeP FCD & FPR = death

(plus 4 people in the car at what I would assume was 10+ psi)

I seriously don't understand why you guys take the MSP to such extreme limits.

After 10psi..the stock injectors are firing at 100%.

the FUEL CUT is put there for a reason..... why would you bypass it?

not a flame...but some this won't be the end of blown motor stories...understand how your car truelly operates.

[03MSPRO]

this whole deal about people blowing their engines has me confused.
Here's an e-mail from Kevin from Essential Speed. I don't think it's any top secret information since he shared it with me and he does not even know me and only e-mailed me 3-4 times.

"hey we have over 15 customers with 5spd running 12 psi with our kits.
We have wide band tested several different P5' and Mazda Speed's and know
what they require and what boost they can run savely.
The Mazda Speed is severly rich from the factory...for safety and warranty.
With the mazda speed's stage 1&2 kit you are able to run well over 14psi
after you pick up the vortech FMU.
We suggest thr FMU for safety at higher boost..but its not required for 10
psi and below.
The upgrades will not void your warrany ..we have 4 dealers installing the
upgrades themselves,the car is already turboed,you're just helping it to
breath better.
let me know if there is any other questions,
kevin"

[TitanB]

YP5 Toronto,
Are you saying no boost at all, or a lower boost?

[YP5 Toronto]

lower the boost..... what is the Fuel Cut set at? 10 PSI? than...keep it below that.

Invest in a ELECTRONIC boost controller...preferably a Dual Solenoid version to reduce/eliminate boost spike.

Anything past 10 psi....you need to get proper fuel control and/or larger injectors.

How many HPs the FS motor can handle....no one is EXACTLY sure. But terry from spool had been running is turbo'd Mp3 for well years... i think it was in the 230+ whp range..but he had awesome tuning and proper A/F ratios.

[boostisgood]

running anything over stock boost with more then 2 people in the car is just stupid. Sorry bro to piss in your cheerios man, just gotta say it.

ohh, and the injectors are NOT running at 100% duty cycle, at 10 psi. I dont know where you got that information. I ran 12 and with my HKS CAMP system, monitored a 76-83% duty cycle on the stockers.

On to your issue of fixing the wee beastie. I suggest a used engine, forged internals, and do the work yourslef. ITs not that hard, if your moderatly mechanically inclined. The main issus, is to ensure that all the parts are within tolerance, and installed correctly. There are quite a few resources out there explaining rebuilding an engine, to include some of the recent magazine issues. Granted, they are not for the fs engine directly, but Im sure you can find something out there explaining a rebuild on this weak engine.

[YP5 Toronto]

Originally posted by boostisgood

ohh, and the injectors are NOT running at 100% duty cycle, at 10 psi. I dont know where you got that information. I ran 12 and with my HKS CAMP system, monitored a 76-83% duty cycle on the stockers.


thank you for the clarification.... but the point remains the same.

[rocketspeed]

Mazda won't be exicted about paying for repairs to any part of your powertrain if you've upped the horsepower at all.

More power=more stress on the powertrain.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO
this whole deal about people blowing their engines has me confused.
Here's an e-mail from Kevin from Essential Speed. I don't think it's any top secret information since he shared it with me and he does not even know me and only e-mailed me 3-4 times.

"hey we have over 15 customers with 5spd running 12 psi with our kits.
We have wide band tested several different P5' and Mazda Speed's and know
what they require and what boost they can run savely.
The Mazda Speed is severly rich from the factory...for safety and warranty.
With the mazda speed's stage 1&2 kit you are able to run well over 14psi
after you pick up the vortech FMU.
We suggest thr FMU for safety at higher boost..but its not required for 10
psi and below.
The upgrades will not void your warrany ..we have 4 dealers installing the
upgrades themselves,the car is already turboed,you're just helping it to
breath better.
let me know if there is any other questions,
kevin"

Hmmm mine runs smooth as a kitten at 12 pSI has been for about 30k miles now.

I wonder if the under drive crank pulley was to blame. I know there are those who would say your a FUCKTARD for not using a balancer. But hey sorry to hear about your motor.
It would seem that not all MSP 2.0's are created equal.
Look at poor Jekcy his was left over casting material, then one guy ran his at 16 PSI, on and on it goes doesn't seem to be just one thing that has killed them.
As far as 4 people in the car goes I made the 7hr treck one way to Amarillo and back two times in the 100+ degree weather with 5 people, all 3 of my kids in the car, My wife, Myself and all of our luggage with nary a prob at 12PSI and of course the AC on.
However, I do not beat on my car so most of the time I am not in the boost. In fact I don't think I ever have gotten on it outside of the first 2 gears with my fam in the car and that was just getting on the highway and then shifting into 3rd then 5th and cruising smooth at 70-80MPH.
You could say it's fairly safe to go 80 there isn't much traffic.
And you can see the road ahead for just a bit.
/members/yashooa/speedstraight2.jpg

[MSpeed]

why dont you just revert to stock and take it to another dealer?

[TheMAN]

hahahah... owned by the UDP

oil pump go kaboom anyone?

[YP5 Toronto]

TheMAN....can you clarify what UDP means...please

[yashooa]

Originally posted by YP5 Toronto
TheMAN....can you clarify what UDP means...please

Under Drive Pulley...I think they are bad news for balance is a good thing :p

Without dampened harmonics you have bad vibrations say, Confushus.

[YP5 Toronto]

duh..thanks...missed it.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by TheMAN
hahahah... owned by the UDP

oil pump go kaboom anyone?

Oh Hell yeah that's what I thought to. I'll stick to just an exhaust, ECU/FMU, IC replacment, My Lovely little Joey P MBC, and hmmm that's about it.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by twiztedjeckel
wow. somebody's got a chip on his shoulder and a head up his ass tonight. nice seein ya around Dex

Jecky you're so Beautifull you know that don't you? (k) (puke) (k)

[YloDmonMSP]

I've been running 13psi, peaking at 14, for about 2k miles now with no problems. I had a experienced tuner friend of mine help me do all the installs and tuning. I did have very mild detonation at around 6,500rpm's, less severe after i capped off my FPR. My friend said it was less detonation then his Prelude produces on a daily basis. But shifting at 6k has shown no detonation at all so far, and that is when my car starts losing power anyway. The way I figured ended up running such high boost was that neither one of us realized that my Blitz DTT read hkpa instead of psi, so where I thought I was running 9psi I was actually running 13psi. But since I've had no problems I just left it where it is at. But I do have to admit that I don't hit full boost most of the time when I'm driving I try to keep it at a minimum just in case. But I do get on it when need be. Sorry about your motor, hopefully mine will last, but my friend told me if it didn't that he would "rebuild the hell out of it" fo me at no charge.

[lamp3]

I've got my money on the under drive pulley. Seen what that can do first hand on a supercharged v8.

[zmepro]

yea, what about the other msp's, did they have under drive pullys too?

[BrianV]

So what boost was this blown engine at? Also, did it blow around 4k (max boost) or closer to redline?

[Emode]

was she running colder plugs and other suppporting mods
i wouldnt turn up my boost much until the exhaust was freed up too, help move some heat

but with the oil light thing it seems to point to the UDP

[Aricjm15]

I have no pitty
all of the original forced induction guys said before, dont go above 8psi, nobody listened and now look what is hapening to these engines

The MSP is just a protege with a fancy suspension and a crappy turbo kit, it will act and behave just like any other turboed protege, only difference is that the ecu has differect fuel and timing maps, but they still suck for boost, if you guys want to run 14psi buy the forged internals and the low compression pistons from the get go

[Aricjm15]

oh
just another thing, harmonic balancers dont do very much on 4 cylinder engines, so using a UDP wouldnt have caused a problem unless mazda built these engines realy realy shitty and out of ballance to begin with
harmonic balancers do more for a V8 then these cars, I would be willing to bet you could run the car fine without it (provided you have an electric water pump and have some other type of alternator)

[instylz]

Originally posted by Aricjm15
I have no pitty
all of the original forced induction guys said before, dont go above 8psi, nobody listened and now look what is hapening to these engines

The MSP is just a protege with a fancy suspension and a crappy turbo kit, it will act and behave just like any other turboed protege, only difference is that the ecu has differect fuel and timing maps, but they still suck for boost, if you guys want to run 14psi buy the forged internals and the low compression pistons from the get go

There are many people here that are running up to 12psi and some even further than that although I would never venture that far not even to 12. I for one simply believe some mods are better left alone and have contributing factors when something like this goes wrong. FPR and FCD kits were used in that car. Although it was stated the boost was steady how 100% sure can you be? I think up to 10psi should be fine with the MSP as it is and with proper tuning you can have 100% piece of mind at 10,12. What do you think?

[Aricjm15]

just another note to people blaming the UDP
the oil pump its driven DIRECTLY off the crank, I know this from when my brother and I took apart his blown engine, so the oil pump is not getting the reduction in speed, the water pump, alternator, powersteering pump, and AC compressor are the ONLY things affected by the UDP, NOT THE OIL PUMP

yes 10psi would be grand with proper engine management, but because of the ECU it has to be standalone

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by instylz
I think up to 10psi should be fine with the MSP as it is and with proper tuning you can have 100% piece of mind at 10,12. What do you think?

It has more to do with fuel and timing control than it will ever have to do with rods and pistons. HiBoost has run VERY high numbers on stock internals and reliably so. How? Because he has * ding ding ding * engine management. Granted, if you want to run REAL REAL REAL high numbers, having both management and forged internals will be a must. I've been told that a T3 set to 12 psi on stock internals on this car is FINE - as long as you have fuel and timing control.

So what then you ask, is the problem? Engine management takes time. Alot of it, and a really plug and play and simple system is still pretty far off for every situation. Engine management takes money. Alot of money, easily over a grand. Save your pennies and have some patience for the real thing or deal with the greater risk and don't blame anyone else if something goes wrong.

You say proper tuning, and I agree. Fuel Cut Defenders and Pressure Reducers are NOT proper tuning. FMICs, hard pipes, and all that jazz won't get around the fact that this car needs engine management.

[TheMAN]

oh boy... here we go again... why don't you search on miata.net and see how many people have blown turbo'd BPs after oil pump failures because they had a UDP?

the UDP doesn't have a harmonic balancer.. the increased harmonics caused by the UDP increases oil pump wear and eventually leading to failure... the torsional and axial forces caused by a boosted engine is very different and much more than a NA engine... thus these forces/vibrations, being transmitted from the crank also affects the oil pump... people who have UDPs don't see problems because they have a NA engine and thus never see those stresses a boosted engine encounters... don't ask me why this shit happens, I'm not an engineer... but DO think of WHY the harmonic balancer was put there in the first place


Originally posted by Aricjm15
just another note to people blaming the UDP
the oil pump its driven DIRECTLY off the crank, I know this from when my brother and I took apart his blown engine, so the oil pump is not getting the reduction in speed, the water pump, alternator, powersteering pump, and AC compressor are the ONLY things affected by the UDP, NOT THE OIL PUMP

yes 10psi would be grand with proper engine management, but because of the ECU it has to be standalone

[Aricjm15]

as long as the oil pump is spining it is pumping oil correct? the oil pump should not see that much force on it because it is not supporting the crank itself
and the drive pully and the harmonic balacner are the same thing on most 4cyl engines
the stock pully on most cars is around 15lbs, most UDPs are 7-10lbs, so you would stilly get the same effect just not as great

I see it as this, his oil light came on because his engine was fucked and not running or he had blown his oil out of the engine
I say it was to much boost and that he was trying to show off with 4 people in the car

[JDM Sam]

She's a chick hence the name mazdaspeed chicka...
That sucks it happened, but why on earth would you do the dealer a favor like that unless they gave you some kinda reimbursement? I'd ask the sales dept to make them fix ur car under warranty cuz of that shit cuz you did sell them a car.

[alexlitov]

I doubt that those customers bought MSP...

[JDM Sam]

Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
customers in my car that i was showing off for still bought a mazdspeed after they knew i blew the engine!!!!

[03MSPRO]

People, lowering the intake temperatures by using a larger FMIC is just as important as anything else when rasing the boost. That's why I still believe that a MBC should be the LAST mod on our cars. Firts mod should be a FMIC.

hot air = boom!

[irr5302]

The mazda motors is balanced at 0 not need harmonic balance in the UDP or in the Flywheel

mi car have UDP for more than 15,000miles without any problem

my other protege with bp motor run with UDP and aluminum flywheel for more than 150,000 miles without any problem.

in this case is the FCD and the FPR because this car at 4000 rpm is afr is lean with the FPR is a boom

in the stock boost the peak is at 4000 7.4psi and at 5000 6.4psi at 6500 is 5.5 psi

the boost Down when the RPM up and the afr UP because this engine is not designed by high boost at high rpms. read the turbo magazine FMIC in the MSP.

1239/2000PR

[03MSPRO]

IMO,
I never thought that the combination of MBC, FPR, and FCD was ever a good idea, but everyone went head over hills and bought this stuff w/out thinking and now we all see the consequences.
HP is NOT cheap!!! Do it right, do it once.

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by MSpeed
why dont you just revert to stock and take it to another dealer?

I know I might get flamed by the immature kids on this board by saying this, but this person blew the engine for increasing the boost and addind other mods to the car, so why should Mazda have to pay for it? If you want to play, you have to pay!!
Besides, now you can buy a bullet proof bottom end that can handle 30 psi.

[rocketspeed]

Mazda has been known to read these boards, so you might have a tough time trying to warranty it anywhere.

[03MSPRO]

so what happenned to the person that started the thread? Kust like on the other blown engine threads it dissapeared....:confused:

[funnylittlman]

Probably getting other estimates and finding a used FS-DE

[II-Savy]

boostisgood - Bingo dude.

When you added those people, IE weight. You made your car work way way harder than normal. especially for the nutritionally challenged.

[1sty]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
and I have 36K on my car. So I am curious why theese motors are going out. I know that Mazda is going to be releasing A notice to MSP owners that states boosting more then stock is a bad Idea for the car.

Becuase the car was not ment to boost to the level people are putting it too. There is no fuel or proper timing curves in the ECU to support it.

Most people will hopefully remember those that warned against raising the boost on an MSP to even 10 PSI. Several of us made it very clear that it was not a good idea but then 20 others would comment that they have been fine doing it. We replied with its simpy a matter of time. THat time for her was now. Others' time will come aswell.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Becuase the car was not ment to boost to the level people are putting it too. There is no fuel or proper timing curves in the ECU to support it.

Most people will hopefully remember those that warned against raising the boost on an MSP to even 10 PSI. Several of us made it very clear that it was not a good idea but then 20 others would comment that they have been fine doing it. We replied with its simpy a matter of time. THat time for her was now. Others' time will come aswell.

OMG It's Miss Cleo...:p :D :p
Let me guess I'll find love, win a 100 million dollar lotto, and blow my engine oh well I guess it couldn't all be good ;)

Welcome to the Psychic MP3 network we see all, we know all, nothing is hidden from our "special" sight. It as much a burden as it is a gift. (k)

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Becuase the car was not ment to boost to the level people are putting it too. There is no fuel or proper timing curves in the ECU to support it.

Most people will hopefully remember those that warned against raising the boost on an MSP to even 10 PSI. Several of us made it very clear that it was not a good idea but then 20 others would comment that they have been fine doing it. We replied with its simpy a matter of time. THat time for her was now. Others' time will come aswell.

but you are boosting 5 psi with a T3??? how many psi is that with a T25? what kind of ECU or fuel management do YOU have? better than the MSP?
Practice what you preach and lower your boost levels!!

[YP5 Toronto]

Originally posted by yashooa
OMG It's Miss Cleo...:p :D :p
Let me guess I'll find love, win a 100 million dollar lotto, and blow my engine oh well I guess it couldn't all be good ;)

Welcome to the Psychic MP3 network we see all, we know all, nothing is hidden from our "special" sight. It as much a burden as it is a gift. (k)

(if I am misreading this and this was meant as a sarcastic joke...then my mistake).

This is the type of MSP shit people talk about... There are people that try to provide some insight and a different perspective on things.

Instead...you insist on shitting on those that are simply trying to help.

If some of you insist on not having an OPEN ear towards information that may save you money and time down the road then shut the fuck up and let the others go about their business.

Its posts like these that prevent many of those with knowledge in posting. Which sucks for the other MSP owners that truelly want to learn or unlearn from others.

some of you really are a piece of work..... why bother coming to this board? Go make start your own....

sorry to everyone...regarding this post.... sometimes you just have to vent.

[MikeBlueP5]

his kit is good up to 6 psi with the RRFPR that BEGI supplied him, he also has a wideband 02 to monitor the afr. the boost gauge and a mbc/fcd combo that most msp owners are using doesnt monitor anything. Obviously he knows whats going on or his mp3 wouldnt still be running. IF im correct he even has one of the prototype BEGI kits so its been running far longer than the msp has been in production.

[YP5 Toronto]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO
but you are boosting 5 psi with a T3??? how many psi is that with a T25? what kind of ECU or fuel management do YOU have? better than the MSP?
Practice what you preach and lower your boost levels!!

Its not about being better (which seems to be the general attitude --> my dick is bigger than yours ..nanananana).

Do you think he has ANYTHING TO GAIN from trying (had tried, like many of us in the past) from providing you with an alternate point of view.

You seem to take critism or points of knowledge that SEEM to devalue or degrade your car's capabilities or worth as if it was a physical part of your body. your sense of self esteem or self worth rides soooo heavily on your car that a post like 1st MP3's that you need to fight back with stupidity.

Again.... this does NOTHING for this community...nor for the LONG term growth of the MSP and its members.

[unwrittenLaw]

I've always been concerned w/ just upping the boost w/o proper tuning and modifications...That's why I never got the FPR/FCD..becuase I know that a rich fuel map is safer and that the fuel cut is there for a reason....I guess I'm just a bigger pussy...

[YP5 Toronto]

MikeBlueP5...thank you....

SOME of you spend all this money and take risks with your car and don't even know what a wideband is... and a T3 @ 5psi is totally safe....

[BinaryRotary]

Fuck em.

[boostisgood]

To elaborate more on the wieght issue I brought up.

If you take your car to the dyno, and tune it for 12 psi, ect ect ect, you will still ru nthe chance of blowing your car, when you get on the road. WHY you as?

Simple, there is no true load on the drive train, while the car is on the dnyo. There is no compensation for the wieght of the car, that the dyno can apply to the rollers, to simulate driving a 2k lbs car on the road.

Therefore, a car running close to its limits at 12 psi, with a 180 lbs person in it, will be well over its limits when 4 people weighing 180lbs each get in. :D

[funnylittlman]

That makes sense :D

[Aricjm15]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO
but you are boosting 5 psi with a T3??? how many psi is that with a T25? what kind of ECU or fuel management do YOU have? better than the MSP?
Practice what you preach and lower your boost levels!!

see the BEGI/FM kit has what is called an INTERCOOLER
yes your car has one too, but it is very very shitty, and small. So when you run higher boost, because you have a smaller turbo and a shitty intercooler you are doing nothing but blow HOT AIR into your engine, so it is safe for people with the Fm/begi kit to run 7psi

if half the people here would get better intercoolers there would probably be alot less blown engines

[yashooa]

Originally posted by unwrittenLaw
I've always been concerned w/ just upping the boost w/o proper tuning and modifications...That's why I never got the FPR/FCD..becuase I know that a rich fuel map is safer and that the fuel cut is there for a reason....I guess I'm just a bigger pussy...

Yes your vagina is just so, so, HUGE :p
No wait I don't have a FCD or a FPR either, perhaps my cooch is Supa sized as well. :'(

[yashooa]

Originally posted by YP5 Toronto
(if I am misreading this and this was meant as a sarcastic joke...then my mistake).

This is the type of MSP shit people talk about... There are people that try to provide some insight and a different perspective on things.

Instead...you insist on shitting on those that are simply trying to help.

If some of you insist on not having an OPEN ear towards information that may save you money and time down the road then shut the fuck up and let the others go about their business.

Its posts like these that prevent many of those with knowledge in posting. Which sucks for the other MSP owners that truelly want to learn or unlearn from others.

some of you really are a piece of work..... why bother coming to this board? Go make start your own....

sorry to everyone...regarding this post.... sometimes you just have to vent.

Dear Sarcasticly impaired,
It was a joke hence all the :D faces and smoochy (k)

Peace out "Puppy man"
I guess all that cold froze your sense of humour maybe in the spring you will be able to laugh once again. :)

[yashooa]

Originally posted by BinaryRotary
Fuck em.

Look it's Aqua Teen Hunger Tech...(nana)

[03MSPRO]

[i]
You seem to take critism or points of knowledge that SEEM to devalue or degrade your car's capabilities or worth as if it was a physical part of your body. your sense of self esteem or self worth rides soooo heavily on your car that a post like 1st MP3's that you need to fight back with stupidity.
[/B]

REALLY? stupidity? Search for my posts and answers.
You have no idea what you are saying halg the time and you are the one caught BS'ing, not me. Does the word injectors bring anything to mind?
I am sure 1st MP3 can defend himself and does not need any help. I fully respect 1st MP3 and did not mean anything by it, but his response was incomplete and I am sorry to disagree with him, I don't think it is accurate either about the car needing tunning at 10 psi, IF you do other thing that will prevent knock.
This is the problem with the internet and e-mail, a lot of information get misinterpreted. Peace.
By the way, do you know exactly how many psi using a T25 is equal to 5 psi using a T3 turbo based on the flow spec of each tubine?

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by yashooa
Dear Sarcasticly impaired,
It was a joke hence all the :D faces and smoochy (k)

Peace out "Puppy man"
I guess all that cold froze your sense of humour maybe in the spring you will be able to laugh once again. :)

Don't worry dude. You are always helping on this board. This guy is just having a bad day or something.

[JTP]

But would adding an intercooler, colder plugs, feul and timing management, bigger injectors, forgred internals really cure all.

:D

[MSpeed]

i believe Brian MP5T said it best... after doing all of this you just run into the next weakest link... the tranny and axles

[jersey_emt]

Originally posted by Aricjm15
see the BEGI/FM kit has what is called an INTERCOOLER
yes your car has one too, but it is very very shitty, and small. So when you run higher boost, because you have a smaller turbo and a shitty intercooler you are doing nothing but blow HOT AIR into your engine, so it is safe for people with the Fm/begi kit to run 7psi

if half the people here would get better intercoolers there would probably be alot less blown engines

Yup...Smaller turbos generate more heat than larger ones. So our itty-bitty T25 turbo, which is already putting out a helluva lot of heat, is being put through a itty-bitty intercooler that can barely do its job at stock boost.

And when you increase the boost, the already high temperatures are increased even higher.

Higher intake air temperatures = higher risk of knock = boom.

Cool the intake air with a CAI and FMIC, and decrease the backpressure in the exhaust, and you'll have a more powerful and safer setup. And some dealers will still honor your warranty with these airflow mods.

[BinaryRotary]

Originally posted by yashooa
Look it's Aqua Teen Hunger Tech...(nana)

Oh yeah! :)

[jaymode]

Originally posted by boostisgood
To elaborate more on the wieght issue I brought up.

If you take your car to the dyno, and tune it for 12 psi, ect ect ect, you will still ru nthe chance of blowing your car, when you get on the road. WHY you as?

Simple, there is no true load on the drive train, while the car is on the dnyo. There is no compensation for the wieght of the car, that the dyno can apply to the rollers, to simulate driving a 2k lbs car on the road.

Therefore, a car running close to its limits at 12 psi, with a 180 lbs person in it, will be well over its limits when 4 people weighing 180lbs each get in. :D

I thought that some types of dyno where able to vary load. Like the dynapack, where it connects to hubs and not the on rollers so they could vary load???

BUt I do agree that more people, equals more load, and can lead to booooooom.

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by jersey_emt
Yup...Smaller turbos generate more heat than larger ones. So our itty-bitty T25 turbo, which is already putting out a helluva lot of heat, is being put through a itty-bitty intercooler that can barely do its job at stock boost.

And when you increase the boost, the already high temperatures are increased even higher.

Higher intake air temperatures = higher risk of knock = boom.

Cool the intake air with a CAI and FMIC, and decrease the backpressure in the exhaust, and you'll have a more powerful and safer setup. And some dealers will still honor your warranty with these airflow mods.

I have been saying this all along!!! but people do not listen or call me stupid.

[LinuxRacr]

People, it's time to chill out and have a fucking latte or something. Let's keep this thread in perspective.

[1sty]

Originally posted by yashooa
OMG It's Miss Cleo...:p :D :p
Let me guess I'll find love, win a 100 million dollar lotto, and blow my engine oh well I guess it couldn't all be good ;)

Welcome to the Psychic MP3 network we see all, we know all, nothing is hidden from our "special" sight. It as much a burden as it is a gift. (k)

Whos the father of the Baby?

(rofl)

[Kooldino]

Hey, you can buy a used motor...PM me if you want details.

[1sty]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO
but you are boosting 5 psi with a T3??? how many psi is that with a T25? what kind of ECU or fuel management do YOU have? better than the MSP?
Practice what you preach and lower your boost levels!!

I have an RR-FPR and a inline fuel pump that can increase the fuel pressure to over 100 PSi to keep me at any A:F I chose. I also run colder plugs.I also have a wideband O2 that allows me to watch my A:F to be damn sure I am getting the right fuel. Not to mention I had the benifit of having not only corky bell but Flyin Miata's Bill, Keith, ken and all the others totaly map the cars response to boost and dyno tune to know where the car may knock.
5 PSi was deamed safe for an MP3 by Flyin Protege (the same that new the MSp would be smoking engines) and that was on 91 octane. I run 94 only.

So, I had some of the best people in the turbo buisness verify that my setup would be perfectly safe, did you?
Did any of these people with smoked engines?
NO! They simply jacked up there boost levels and nothing more.

[1sty]

Originally posted by MikeBlueP5
his kit is good up to 6 psi with the RRFPR that BEGI supplied him, he also has a wideband 02 to monitor the afr. the boost gauge and a mbc/fcd combo that most msp owners are using doesnt monitor anything. Obviously he knows whats going on or his mp3 wouldnt still be running. IF im correct he even has one of the prototype BEGI kits so its been running far longer than the msp has been in production.

Correct, I have one of the original BEGI kits although most everything has been upgraded to the FP stuff.
I boosted at 15000 miles. I know have 28000.

[low_psi]

once again a lack of tuning has created a boom.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by JTP
But would adding an intercooler, colder plugs, feul and timing management, bigger injectors, forgred internals really cure all.

:D

I don't know :confused: but I think it might have made that one guys dick bigger :eek:

[Mr. Win]

if you live in so fl i could get you a gsr motor and tranny with 500miles on it for 2500 or the whole car for 3500 vhp headers too haha

[Kooldino]

Originally posted by yashooa
I don't know :confused: but I think it might have made that one guys dick bigger :eek:

sheet, don't be mad at a playa cause he can afford nice parts.

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
So, I had some of the best people in the turbo buisness verify that my setup would be perfectly safe, did you?
Did any of these people with smoked engines?
NO! They simply jacked up there boost levels and nothing more.

We had Calloway and Mazda. Aren't they better?
I see Calloway and Mazda racing on TV all the time. I never saw Corky? lol
(j/k)

[unwrittenLaw]

All in all...the MSP is still not a bad car for the price. People need to stop being so power hungry and try and enjoy the car for what it is. If you don't, go get something else. But in the meantime don't try and make the car something its not....

[1sty]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO
We had Calloway and Mazda. Aren't they better?
I see Calloway and Mazda racing on TV all the time. I never saw Corky? lol
(j/k)

You had Callaway and Mazda for 7 PSI only, NOT 10+.

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Okay for all of those who have something to say one yes its my car second i am a female and third my husband also is on here as well he is the one that has been postin the stuff up here not me, so dont me gettin on me for blown up any car GOT IT?!!
I rather have a blown engine than a wrecked car!! like some people that wreck their cars in weeks or a month after having it. And the crank pully had nothing to do with the car if so, it would have blown up in the summer time we got the damn thing put on the car in the first place so get of that note and leave it alone!! its getting kind of old!! Every one has their own opinion thats true, but get throught the facts for before u start blastin things u have no clue about in the first place!

[mp5jeff]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO
We had Calloway and Mazda. Aren't they better?
I see Calloway and Mazda racing on TV all the time. I never saw Corky? lol
(j/k)




i think the way calloway put together the turbo kit in the msp shows how ""good"" they are....

[mp5jeff]

Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
Okay for all of those who have something to say one yes its my car second i am a female and third my husband also is on here as well he is the one that has been postin the stuff up here not me, so dont me gettin on me for blown up any car GOT IT?!!
I rather have a blown engine than a wrecked car!! like some people that wreck their cars in weeks or a month after having it. And the crank pully had nothing to do with the car if so, it would have blown up in the summer time we got the damn thing put on the car in the first place so get of that note and leave it alone!! its getting kind of old!! Every one has their own opinion thats true, but get throught the facts for before u start blastin things u have no clue about in the first place!



actually, i think i would rather have a wrecked car then a fuckin blown engine, that way your insurance will pay for a NEW car, unlike how you are about to pay 6k(what mazda quoted you) for a new engine, i hope with the next engine you don't just "up the boost" again and blow another one because thats what im guessing you did also it says in your signature that you ran the car at 11psi on the track so im guessing thats your daily driven boost. you should just sell the car and get a civic so that you can't get "boost" happy....with the money that you would have payed for the engine you might be able to get a nice civic for woooooo wooooooo

[funnylittlman]

Hey don't knock Calloway THAT much.

Mazda told them, "here is a bin full of parts, make the Protege faster, and oh you are on a STRICT budget"

So what are you suppose to do with intercooler from a Turbo Diesel Protege? Put it in our cars! :D

[bored132]

i think that reading this tread took 5 years off my life!!!!

ps. sorry that your motor blow up, best of luck

[nictlg7]

**I was wondering how many engines have blown so far? How many blown engines have we all heard of so far?**
I should have updated everyone sooner on my situation. Here it is though, I blew my engine over the holiday. I have had mine in the shop since the first week I bought it complaining of coolant leaks, hesitation, grinding noises, etc. It was revving high, and so we decided to take it to a better dealership (Browning in Cerritos), since Don Kott (Carson) lost its franchise. (Go figure, the Pre-Delivery inspection was done terribly, they didn't even fill my washer fluid or check that leak in the coolant, or clean the black sticky stuff from my paint) At any rate, the car died on the way to Browning, and had to be towed there. A clutch, throw out bearing, some radiator hoses, and coolant hoses all were replaced, and the flywheel resurfaced. The car went in on a Monday, I got it back Thursday night. Friday night, I drove from California to Las Vegas (about 4 hours). With average highway speeds, the engine blew a hole in the rod. I have never taken my car to the track or even street raced anyone. So there is no way they can say it was customer abuse. They are saying some ground straps were disconnected, and my gauges and oil cap were "modifications" that may have changed settings. BS...Anyone have any input, has anyone been able to overcome these problems?

[Mspeedchica3.5]

they are trying to say any mods done to the car including gauges they will not valid the warrenty but u have to think about it mazda is owned by ford we in some part have american cars so what the hell do we all expect. either way mazda is going to lose and then every one that did bring there car in will get there money back and then some if everyone starts filling law suits aganist them.

[srtchick]

sorry to hear girl bout the motor!:( well goodluck with everything i;ve been running 8 psi since i got the car which i bought already modded no problems yet.. *** knock on wood

[Mspeedchica3.5]

hey ur car is already set up girl u have nothing to worry about!! i my car will be ready next weekend so i can wait for it to get here.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
I have an RR-FPR and a inline fuel pump that can increase the fuel pressure to over 100 PSi to keep me at any A:F I chose. I also run colder plugs.I also have a wideband O2 that allows me to watch my A:F to be damn sure I am getting the right fuel. Not to mention I had the benifit of having not only corky bell but Flyin Miata's Bill, Keith, ken and all the others totaly map the cars response to boost and dyno tune to know where the car may knock.
5 PSi was deamed safe for an MP3 by Flyin Protege (the same that new the MSp would be smoking engines) and that was on 91 octane. I run 94 only.

So, I had some of the best people in the turbo buisness verify that my setup would be perfectly safe, did you?
Did any of these people with smoked engines?
NO! They simply jacked up there boost levels and nothing more.

This is what I don't understand: Some of you guys who have MP3s and P5s and are running aftermarket turbo system are all down on MSP owners for upping their boost. And you are proud how you can "safely" run 5psi of boost! Ooooh 5psi!! Look out!! Geezus H christ, our MSPs come from the factory running more then that! Plus, you guys get hassle of tweaking your maps constantly to keep up with changing conditions. Hey, lets all get aftermarket Engine Management systems so we get into the never-ending cycle of tuning the fuel maps!! Yeah!! And then there is the plethora of parts you guys seem to need to buy just to run 5psi.

I realize there are others who are running more then 5psi with aftermarket turbos, this is more for the guys who seem to be stuck on the 5psi bandwagon. I'm not trying to bust your guys' balls, but give it a rest. I can turn my boost down to 5psi and run safely forever! But what fun would that be?

Bother Mazda and Callaway said our MSPs would run fine at 6.9psi from the factory. They even gave us a factory warranty to back up the statement.

Lastly, to me, it looks like the biggest mistake Mspeedchica3.5 made was using a FPR on a flashed car (if in fact the PCM had been flashed). A leaner condition due to the Fuel Pressure Reducer, combined with the increased timing of the PCM Flash is not a good combination IMO. But until an analysis is made of the blown engine, none of you internet troubleshooters knows for sure what caused the failure.

[EVILSRT]

So did they cover it or tell you to take a hike??

[mspeedpro]

there was a good issue brought up that i dont think anyone answered... why dont u just put it back to stock then take it to a new dealership??

[AutoBox]

some dealers talk to each other :)

[yashooa]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
But until an analysis is made of the blown engine, none of you internet troubleshooters knows for sure what caused the failure.

It was the girl titties they cause excessive vibration and said vibration went down into the motor causing horrific, irreversible engine failure! Maybe your next mod should be a sports bra :p

[Mspeedchica3.5]

for most people its kind of hard secondly they took digital pics of my car and might have sent them out.

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
This is what I don't understand: Some of you guys who have MP3s and P5s and are running aftermarket turbo system are all down on MSP owners for upping their boost. And you are proud how you can "safely" run 5psi of boost! Ooooh 5psi!! Look out!! Geezus H christ, our MSPs come from the factory running more then that! Plus, you guys get hassle of tweaking your maps constantly to keep up with changing conditions. Hey, lets all get aftermarket Engine Management systems so we get into the never-ending cycle of tuning the fuel maps!! Yeah!! And then there is the plethora of parts you guys seem to need to buy just to run 5psi.

I realize there are others who are running more then 5psi with aftermarket turbos, this is more for the guys who seem to be stuck on the 5psi bandwagon. I'm not trying to bust your guys' balls, but give it a rest. I can turn my boost down to 5psi and run safely forever! But what fun would that be?

Bother Mazda and Callaway said our MSPs would run fine at 6.9psi from the factory. They even gave us a factory warranty to back up the statement.

Lastly, to me, it looks like the biggest mistake Mspeedchica3.5 made was using a FPR on a flashed car (if in fact the PCM had been flashed). A leaner condition due to the Fuel Pressure Reducer, combined with the increased timing of the PCM Flash is not a good combination IMO. But until an analysis is made of the blown engine, none of you internet troubleshooters knows for sure what caused the failure.



First off u need through the forum again and make sure u read it right cause i didnt put it on the car my husband did! so dont say i it was my mistake get that shit Right in ur head. It dont matter Mazda is Owned by ford and we all got shity cars in the proccess no matter what u do the the car our in the whole system seems like the only car that was just put together in a hurry to keep up with every one else but of course all men have the fucking answer and know the problem. U are the just the person the put ur opinion to the matter. been said before so why in the hell repeat what someone said!

[mspeedpro]

look at it a good way... for just a couple of grand ur gonna have a beefed up engine and u can run high boost and feel fully confident and u just might end up with the quickest msp of the bunch... kinda makes me wanna rebuild mine :-( ::knock on wood::

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Originally posted by mspeedpro
look at it a good way... for just a couple of grand ur gonna have a beefed up engine and u can run high boost and feel fully confident and u just might end up with the quickest msp of the bunch... kinda makes me wanna rebuild mine :-( ::knock on wood::

Thanks mspeedpro cause some people just dont realize the simple fact that it dont matter that u can do the slightest thing to ur car and it blows up and mazda wont vaild the warrenty! so its mazford that fuckin every one else over and trying to get more money. my car on the other hand will be fixed and up and runnin this weekend the only thing i need to get from mazda from now on is parts thats it and barely even that!
Thanks to everyone for the luck and all its greatly apprecicated it shows that some people dont pay attention and then others can be nice.
Have a Great Week Everyone!!!!

[funnylittlman]

Keep us updated! :D

[AutoBox]

def opening new ground ont he msp.....if the msp shows the promise i hope to see with my first stage of mods...im def gonna keep goin and build the block...break some new ground in the mean time :)

[Dexter]

"mazda is owned by ford and we get shitty cars in the process"

right.....go blow another engine.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
First off u need through the forum again and make sure u read it right cause i didnt put it on the car my husband did! so dont say i it was my mistake get that shit Right in ur head. It dont matter Mazda is Owned by ford and we all got shity cars in the proccess no matter what u do the the car our in the whole system seems like the only car that was just put together in a hurry to keep up with every one else but of course all men have the fucking answer and know the problem. U are the just the person the put ur opinion to the matter. been said before so why in the hell repeat what someone said!

LOL!! Whoa there little missy, why don't you pull your thong out of your ass and get a grip! I don't care if your husband put the FPR on or not.

Yeah, that's it blame Ford! That Evil Giant Corporation just wants to take your money and bend you over! I bet they held a gun to your head and made you buy that Mazda! Yep, blame everyone else for your blown motor. :'(

At first I felt bad that you blew your motor, now I couldn't care less. Sounds like it's going to be an expensive lesson for the both of you.

[mp5jeff]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
I realize there are others who are running more then 5psi with aftermarket turbos, this is more for the guys who seem to be stuck on the 5psi bandwagon.

holy shit, you are dumb, you realize that a p5 on 5psi on a BIGGER fuckin turbo will make more power then you at 10psi???
yes thats right a bigger turbo makes more power at less boost OMFG NO WAY!!!

[deckedoutmp5]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
holy shit, you are dumb, you realize that a p5 on 5psi on a BIGGER fuckin turbo will make more power then you at 10psi???
yes thats right a bigger turbo makes more power at less boost OMFG NO WAY!!!

yeah i think when vic dynoed at 245 whp with an auto at 10 psi proved that. thats why i didnt by an msp, its cheaper better and more power to buy a protege and slap on a aftermarket.

but hey, my buddies have them and i like them.

hell i dynoed at 185 with only 2 cyl and 6-7 psi and ran so rich the af wideband on the dyno didnt go that low. not bad huh.


sorry to hear man. yeah our motors dont like UDPs, that was figured out ALONG time ago.

[mspeedpro]

itll be done this weekend?? what are you planning on doing bout the engine?? used block, etc? parts will get here that fast?

[MSP Chris]

Dude you dont need a complete motor....and you definitly don't need a new cylinder head. Unless the piston came up and slapped the valves and head. Go get a junked block, hone that bitch and be done with it.

I am so glad I am a mechanic.

By the way post whores....I work at ford, and do we turn work down? Nope. Thats why our lot is packed and the fags at mazda have no one there. Ford allows customers to modify there cars also though because they can take it. I have seen mustangs come in with many different problems. Some still have the nitrous installed and working...:) (burnout) Test drive! Seriously the design of the car is not flawed. I bet mazda toned down alot of things from what it originally was at callaway.

[StreetPreacher]

Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
customers in my car that i was showing off for still bought a mazdspeed after they knew i blew the engine!!!!

So you sould at least get some commission right? ;)

-Sp

[MSP Chris]

That is cheap ass mazda for you.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
holy shit, you are dumb, you realize that a p5 on 5psi on a BIGGER fuckin turbo will make more power then you at 10psi???
yes thats right a bigger turbo makes more power at less boost OMFG NO WAY!!!

Holy shit! I'm ordering one of those "Bigger fuckin turbos" today! Where do I get one?

[MSP Chris]

put me on that list. my turbo makes a honda rim look big

[Nextruss]

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg...I LOVE MY MSP!!! LONG LIVE IT!!!

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
LOL!! Whoa there little missy, why don't you pull your thong out of your ass and get a grip! I don't care if your husband put the FPR on or not.

Yeah, that's it blame Ford! That Evil Giant Corporation just wants to take your money and bend you over! I bet they held a gun to your head and made you buy that Mazda! Yep, blame everyone else for your blown motor.

At first I felt bad that you blew your motor, now I couldn't care less. Sounds like it's going to be an expensive lesson for the both of you.


:wtf: and u should get the dick out ur mouth!! (blowjob) first off its people like u that dont read the whole damn thread and then jump in when ever u think ur two cents is highly needed( and its not!!!) i dont blame everyone or anyone else for my motor so i dont where ur readin that shit at?! when my car is done i will spank ur car in the process and trust me its not that expensive cause we got good deals but i guess u didnt read the price list on that now did u?! I dont need ur simpathy cause ur just another male that dont think ur shit stink in my book! If i wanted people to feel bad for me i would have said something i dont post any thing on this site my husband does, i just go through and make sure people like u dont talk shit about just cause im a female. Cause the last time i check guys dont give a female credit for being on forums!! So unless u have some something to say to me personally then come bring it other than that FUCK OFF!!!

[mp5jeff]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
Holy shit! I'm ordering one of those "Bigger fuckin turbos" today! Where do I get one?

so this was your comeback for yourself saying something stupid in the 1st place?? good job...

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Originally posted by StreetPreacher
So you sould at least get some commission right? ;)

-Sp

it would be nice to get one or at least a start on the inside of my car, but its cool im not worried i wont keep the car for long anyways after its fixed its going back home to ILL where it will stay put.

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
so this was your comeback for yourself saying something stupid in the 1st place?? good job...


does it really matter how i put? its not addressed to u so dont worry about it!

[mp5jeff]

Mspeedchica3.5-- i was talking to BremertonMSP, thats why i quoted =)

[Mspeedchica3.5]

hey mp5jeff i left u pm with a question about something

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
Mspeedchica3.5-- i was talking to BremertonMSP, thats why i quoted =)

LOL!! And she pisses and moans about others not reading the whole post!! LOL!!

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
so this was your comeback for yourself saying something stupid in the 1st place?? good job...

Yeah, it's the best I could come up with, being stupid and all.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
:wtf: and u should get the dick out ur mouth!! (blowjob) first off its people like u that dont read the whole damn thread and then jump in when ever u think ur two cents is highly needed( and its not!!!) i dont blame everyone or anyone else for my motor so i dont where ur readin that shit at?!

Hmmm, wait a minute (removes dick from mouth) I think it was in this post:


Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
It dont matter Mazda is Owned by ford and we all got shity cars in the proccess no matter what u do the the car our in the whole system seems like the only car that was just put together in a hurry to keep up with every one else …..

Or maybe this one:


Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
they are trying to say any mods done to the car including gauges they will not valid the warrenty but u have to think about it mazda is owned by ford we in some part have american cars so what the hell do we all expect…..

Well, I expect Mazda NOT to honor the warranty if I mod my car then try to show off with a salesman and two potential customers in the car…..


Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
customers in my car that i was showing off for still bought a mazdspeed after they knew i blew the engine!!!!

But hey, that’s just me, and maybe I apply too much logic to the situation.


Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
when my car is done i will spank ur car in the process and trust me its not that expensive cause we got good deals but i guess u didnt read the price list on that now did u?!

I’m not too worried about you spanking my car, judging by your obvious lack of driving prowess! Good deals? The only price list YOU listed was this one:


Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
but here's the list of what mazda said it'll cost to fix it their way
Engine (short block) $ 2,520.35
gasket set $ 327.06
oil $ 45.00
plugs & misc fluids $ 250.00
cylinder head $ 995.80
silicon tubing $ 25.00
stainer & gasket $ 39.00
oil pan $ 93.74
sub total $ 4295.95
tax $ 193.32
shop supplies $ 19.95
labor (i like this one) $ 2,450.00
total $ 6,959.22



Damn near $7k for a new motor! Hell of a deal huh?! Especially when most of the responses you got form others on this board could do the work for less then $3k. But hey, it’s your money right?


Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
I dont need ur simpathy cause ur just another male that dont think ur shit stink in my book! If i wanted people to feel bad for me i would have said something i dont post any thing on this site my husband does, i just go through and make sure people like u dont talk shit about just cause im a female. Cause the last time i check guys dont give a female credit for being on forums!! So unless u have some something to say to me personally then come bring it other than that FUCK OFF!!!

Um, yeah okay. So tell your husband to get his own screen name so we know who’s posting. But I guess we should know who’s posting since yours don’t seem to make a hell of a lot of sense. Do you ever actually go back and read what you've typed before you post? I think not.

Good luck with the new motor, you are going to need it.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by Mspeedchica3.5
:wtf: i just go through and make sure people like u dont talk shit about just cause im a female. Cause the last time i check guys dont give a female credit for being on forums!! So unless u have some something to say to me personally then come bring it other than that FUCK OFF!!!
Careful now we gots us a FEMI-NAZI in da HIZOUSE!
Step lively and fast lest you be trampled beneath the power of her monumentally large ovarianly charged strides. She is here to REPRA-ZENT all of womankind and to EM-POWA them against all the male dominated car forum OPPRESS-SHUN!
Watch out she is like Zena on four wheels.

[Mspeedchica3.5]

yes old people like u do apply too much logic to the situation!
so mazda was charging 7k to work on the car? what was the poing of postin that back up to stress an old mans point?

I got on this site for my self but hubby just wanted to be nice and say hi to people and say whats with the car just like everyone else is doing. i got on this site to get into group buys for my car, dont be talked down by some old man in washington state! i left this alone a few threads go but it seems to me that u can just leave it alone now can u?! Nope i guess not!! this conversation and petty shit between me and u is completly over if u dont like it then fine oh well thats ur problem. CONVERSATION OVER WITH! :p

[Mspeedchica3.5]

Originally posted by yashooa
Careful now we gots us a FEMI-NAZI in da HIZOUSE!
Step lively and fast lest you be trample beneath the power of her monumentally large ovarianly charged strides. She is here to REPRA-ZENT all of womankind and to EM-POWA them against all the male dominated car forum OPPRESS-SHUN!
Watch out she is like Zena on four wheels.

i wish i was such an evil person but im not in the least that way i may come off as a bitch but im not i just dont like being pushed around by guys.

[Brian MP5T]

This is a Flame War Candidate....:wtf: (flame2) (flame)

[mspdfreak]

**yawn...**

[yashooa]

Originally posted by Brian MP5T
This is a Flame War Candidate....:wtf: (flame2) (flame)

Yes perhaps it is destined to be cast into the unreachable depths of the DUMPSTER.

[nictlg7]

I have good news for everyone, I have an engine on the way!!
I had to go through about everyone that works at Mazda Consumer Affairs, the Service Manager/Director of both dealerships in Las Vegas and Cerritos, as well as the General Manager @ Browning (Cerritos). Then I had to file two Better Business Bureau cases, one at the main website, and one over the phone with the LA regional office. Those people were pretty quick, Mazda received that file within about 2 days. I was able to get in touch with the girl at Consumer Compliance (arbitrations), before she was able to even look at my file (I am resourceful). She had to wait a few days to hear back from some specialist. It was already a good day, because I had an interview with a really sweet Production Studio in Orange County that afternoon. I had taken the day off work for it. I got the call right before I got to the interview, Carol told me she had good news for me. She said she spoke to her specialist, and was able to get an engine approved. It was ordered that day, and then they found out it was on "intergalactic backorder". Stupid special build vehicle, the parts are so rare! They hope to see it within a week, since they are paying to have it rushed to the dealership. They are treating it as "Goodwill", since they don't feel it was a failure of the engine. I think that is BS, but I am not saying anything right now, because I just want my car back. It was only 3 months old, and it has been gone since Dec. 19th. At any rate, I will let everyone know what the final turnout is. For now though, this is looking like a good thing for us. I did not have any engine modifications or anything. However, even my gauges and turbo timer seemed to be enough to make them think I did. So I would suggest to anyone who has had any problems with their car, do not have any modifications on it when you take it in for service. I will let you know how this turns out. Keep your fingers crossed for me...Thanks! I will be Zooming again soon, I hope!! (wrc)

[VA PROTEGE]

Guess im sending back my FPR/FCD

[nictlg7]

Guess im sending back my FPR/FCD

Yeah, if you noticed, I am selling both of mine. I am not saying that they aren't good products. However, if the dealer tries to deny me a warranty repair because they see gauges and a turbo timer isntalled. What would happen if they found performance modifications? I don't want to take any chances. I am not going to do anything to my car that might void my warranty. I may ask the service manager his advice on what I can do to make the car safer, however. He builds race cars. Maybe I could do a bigger intercooler, and a cold air intake, and the car should run better. If anyone knows anyone looking for a FCD or a MBC, I am selling mine as a package deal. I just bought them, so it woudl be a great deal for anyone in the market!

[nictlg7]

Looks like I am on blown engine #2 now. Mazda is again trying to deny warranty coverage. I have already retained a Lemon Law Lawyer this time, though. He is the one that wrote the book for California, so I am quite confident I will be getting a new car or all my money back soon. I might get a Mazda 3 or a 6, but I am not sure I trust Mazda's warranty any longer. They don't seem to stand behind their products. I love the cars, but getting a warranty repair from them is like pulling teeth from a Crocodile.
Hah, who else has had engine problems lately??

nictlg7@yahoo.com - Let me know!!

Thanks!!

[Brian MP5T]

Boom!

[Rawyzf]

WTF - post this a few more times for me please.




Looks like I am on blown engine #2 now. Mazda is again trying to deny warranty coverage. I have already retained a Lemon Law Lawyer this time, though. He is the one that wrote the book for California, so I am quite confident I will be getting a new car or all my money back soon. I might get a Mazda 3 or a 6, but I am not sure I trust Mazda's warranty any longer. They don't seem to stand behind their products. I love the cars, but getting a warranty repair from them is like pulling teeth from a Crocodile.
Hah, who else has had engine problems lately??

nictlg7@yahoo.com - Let me know!!

Thanks!!

[Brian MP5T]

Hey, an engine is a terrible thing to waste...