View Full Version : New Mazdaspeed Offering
VR6KILLER
12-22-2003, 01:19 PM
Here is the link:
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=upcomingMazdaspee dMiata
I can't believe they are getting more HP and Torque from this 1.8L engine. This really pisses me off!!
Stormtrooper77
12-22-2003, 01:22 PM
Yup.
Leadfoot
12-22-2003, 01:24 PM
The styling is boring as all hell....looks like a regular miata....as for lowering, clearly what they took pics of isn't lowered...there's a few inches between tire & wheel well. I think they have really dropped the ball here....it doesn't inspire me at all IMHO.
RAAZ227
12-22-2003, 01:26 PM
:eek:
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+ friction
12-22-2003, 01:29 PM
Whoa! Who knew?
Very cool - looks like MazdaSpeed lives on...
SmoothCriminal
12-22-2003, 01:30 PM
WTF they get hard pipes?!!
seatbackfurther
12-22-2003, 01:38 PM
9.5:1 compression as well, gee can't they figure this out? I'll assume a t25 and the standard internals. Stupid.
Striker187
12-22-2003, 01:38 PM
holy crackmonkey!!! :eek:. an IHI turbo and denso intercooler??? damn....i'm impressed. and jealous, especially about the turbo.
will u people stop posting the same link ? there's like 3 threads in the miata section. this is in the wrong section, too
Panzozo
12-22-2003, 01:44 PM
Looks nice, although I agree the styling is a little boring since the miata is so old. A nice body kit will be nice.
spacemonkey
12-22-2003, 02:59 PM
Um its also alot more expensive then our MSP. If Mazda charged the same price for our MSP we would definately have better resualts.
AutoBox
12-22-2003, 03:06 PM
their suspension specs dont make an reference to new springs...i guess they think stiffer shocks make the car lower?:rolleyes: :wtf: nice either way...but my 6ft 275lbs frame aint fittin in a miata......guess its still a g35 in a few years :)
scott42
12-22-2003, 03:25 PM
I'll almost guarantee that whatever is ACTUALLY made is very different from what is SUPPOSEDLY being made.
Both externally and internally.
Just MHO, but seeing the past few MSP/out of the norm concepts and what they ended up selling that would be my assumption. ie the mP3 had a CAI and some random other stuff before it was tapered down for actual sale. We really didn't hear too much about the MSP prior to sale since it was in the same skin as the MP3, but I'm sure the prototype probably had hardpipes and other goodies that never made it to production.
Also, wrong forum. :D
SOMEONE MOVE THIS THREAD !!! OR DELETE IT ! there's 2 other threads in the miata section !!!!!!
StuttersC
12-22-2003, 03:54 PM
HAHAHA...
I'll say it again here.
The Miata is targetted at a different crowd than the Protege. The styling of the Miata is always understated for that reason.
And the BP motor is more robust stock than the FS motor, hence more boost and power than the MSP.
By the way, Mazdaspeed kept this all in-house this time. They didn't get Calloway to design a cheesy set up like the poor MSP people got.
MazdaDryvr
12-22-2003, 03:56 PM
My mother has a 02 Miata. I almost dislocated my hip trying to get in and out. (me 6'3" 270lbs) It definately needed the power increased.
yeah !!!!!!! why do u think people like flyin' miata sell their turbo kits for miatas without internals !?!? 'cause the BP can handle that ! 12psi on the 1.6L and 10psi on the 1.8L. what turbos r they running...i forget, but they're pretty damn nice.
StuttersC
12-22-2003, 03:57 PM
I think FM is selling AirResearch turbos now...Or Garrett.
One of those.
yashooa
12-22-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by StuttersC
HAHAHA...
I'll say it again here.
The Miata is targetted at a different crowd than the Protege. The styling of the Miata is always understated for that reason.
And the BP motor is more robust stock than the FS motor, hence more boost and power than the MSP.
By the way, Mazdaspeed kept this all in-house this time. They didn't get Calloway to design a cheesy set up like the poor MSP people got.
I think Mazda took the cheese and stuffed it in the MSP after Callaway was through. I know there were hardpipes in the car I saw a pic of in OCT 2002. Mazda just went and fucked it up afterwards.
I love my car but WHY THE FUCK did Mazda feel the need to take away our hardpipes? Don't give me that crash worthy crap like a bit of pipe is going to somehow make my car substantially less safe..plaa-ease. :rolleyes:
StuttersC
12-22-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by yashooa
I think Mazda took the cheese and stuffed it in the MSP after Callaway was through. I know there were hardpipes in the car I saw a pic of in OCT 2002. Mazda just went and fucked it up afterwards.
I love my car but WHY THE FUCK did Mazda feel the need to take away our hardpipes? Don't give me that crash worthy crap like a bit of pipe is going to somehow make my car substantially less safe..plaa-ease. :rolleyes:
How much are hard-pipe kits?? Yeah, would you have paid an extra $300 some odd dollars for the car if it had pipes from the factory?
How many factory turbo'd cars actually come with hard chrage pipes? Not very many that I have seen.
yashooa
12-22-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by StuttersC
How much are hard-pipe kits?? Yeah, would you have paid an extra $300 some odd dollars for the car if it had pipes from the factory?
How many factory turbo'd cars actually come with hard chrage pipes? Not very many that I have seen.
Yes, I would have paid 300.00$ in a heartbeat. Saves me the hassle of doing it later. Of course this means they would have had to use a decent intercooler as well :D
Bitter? Who me?
I love my Speed but it's just frustrating to see Mazda nickle and dime a car to death.
low_psi
12-22-2003, 04:18 PM
OMG, Mazda made a better car than the MSP!!1
yashooa
12-22-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by mx3ownzj00
OMG, Mazda made a better car than the MSP!!1
I suppose you were around when the MSP came out to say ,"OMG Mazda made a better car than the MP3!!1.":D
I don't care for the 4 lug wheels on the Miata all though I like the car.
ummm explain exactly how that car is better than ours? Post flash I'd bet my lunch money we get better numbers
PS: You also have to realise no matter what kinda shit you do to a car the fact remains you're still driving a miata.
For that much cash you can spend a little bit more and just get MS Rx8 or buy a real car like an Rx7 :)
seatbackfurther
12-22-2003, 05:10 PM
Even if it can handle a bit more boost, i wouldn't call it a 'turbo' motor, this usually implies the motor has been specifically built for turbo applications. It looks as the the only thing 'beefed' is the shot-peened gearbox, woo...
seatbackfurther
12-22-2003, 05:10 PM
mazda only did good with the rx-7 line.. *sigh*
Vulcanon
12-22-2003, 05:56 PM
they may not impress you but the 787b is the only jap car to ever win le mans...
seatbackfurther
12-22-2003, 06:18 PM
What does that say about japanese companies? Don't the germans have the most wins at le mans? I know porsche has the most overall wins.
low_psi
12-22-2003, 06:31 PM
omg ppl, chill it was a joke to all the ppl who think the MSP is the best car evAR.
imnike9000
12-23-2003, 12:48 AM
The miata motor has rock solid internals. I know a guy up here at a performance shop that has a miata that he is pushing 300 whp turbo all on stock internals. That miata motor is the most rock solid I have ever seen.
dolphin
12-23-2003, 11:24 AM
For those of you that like history, the BP engine was used in Mazda's all-wheel drive World Rally car, the 323 GTX, a couple of decades ago. There were also road going versions the 323 GT as well. The BP was basically designed to be turbocharged. I think Madza was getting >400 hp out of it.
Pirana
12-23-2003, 11:38 AM
Must be the IHI turbocharger, :D hehehe Go HiBoost!
Excitmnt94
12-23-2003, 11:53 AM
i like the new MazdaSpeed Miata. that would be just what the doctor ordered for Auto-X.
Turbo Matty P
12-23-2003, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by imnike9000
The miata motor has rock solid internals. I know a guy up here at a performance shop that has a miata that he is pushing 300 whp turbo all on stock internals. That miata motor is the most rock solid I have ever seen.
As far as best bottom end goes look at the 85+ Mustang SVO and 87-88 thunderbird turbo coupes. Forged internals from the factory and with a T3 turbo i've seen stock motors run 26psi on daily drivers. My new T3/T4 turbo will see 20+psi on the stock bottome end with nothing but a better head gasket and fuel system...FWIW the stock t-bird fuel system is capable of 300+ hp with stock turbo and stock 35#/hr injectors.
not to take anything away from the miata.
Dexter
12-23-2003, 12:22 PM
GUESS WHAT
a) wrong forum
b) repost
Turbo Matty P
12-23-2003, 12:38 PM
damn, I dont think you want me going back and noting every OT post along the way do you? He was talking about bottom ends and said the miata was the strongest. i just pointed out there was one stronger. Now guess what...the previous 2 posts are OT so you've taken a light-hearted conversation and derailed it fully. Was that your intent?
Dexter
12-23-2003, 12:47 PM
Are you talking to me? or what?
Turbo Matty P
12-23-2003, 12:51 PM
yeah dude....we're sitting here talking cars when you chime in and bitch. What gives?
because
a) wrong forum
b) repost
*edit*- thank you for whoever moved this
but since we're already off topic about bottom ends, the 2jz-gte has a nice one...a lot of people have done 600whp on stock internals and bottom end.
Dexter
12-23-2003, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
yeah dude....we're sitting here talking cars when you chime in and bitch. What gives?
because it doesnt belong in the Mazdaspeed PROTEGE section. and this is the THIRD link ive had to move out of here to the Miata section. its not because you and whoever else were talking about shit (miata engine ANYWAYS). and me saying
GUESS WHAT
a) wrong forum
b) repost
is hardly bitching :rolleyes:
Turbo Matty P
12-23-2003, 12:58 PM
does anyone even pay attention to what catagory the posts are in anymore??? I only look at the active threads. I could care less what thread it's in. Also, i apologize. I thought after three pages of posts that someone would've moved it if it needed moved. When I mentioned a non-mazda product and you said something about wrong topic, wrong thread I snapped at you.
Didn't mean to.
i don't knoe about u, but lately i've seen too many posts in wrong sections and it really bugs 'cause a miata isn't a protege or whatever.
anyway, BP engines are strong ! certainly not the strongest, but damn proud of what it can do already. why would mazda be selling this car at such a price ? because they did all of the fabrication and research themselves, plus it's one of those premium models, i.e. mazdaspeed protege. and no, a miata will not always be "just a miata". many people have done engine swaps and is not some mere roadster to be taken lightly.
people wonder why this 1.8L engine makes more horsepower than their 2.0L engine. because from the beginning mazda saw the potential for this engine back when it had a lot of grassroots racing going on. nowadays people are just rotary this and that, and that's all that mazda will ever be good at. well, they made a damn fine engine in the miata and 323. imagine how well they could do with larger engines that follow the same standards as the BP
Mazdaspeedgirl
12-23-2003, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by dolphin
For those of you that like history, the BP engine was used in Mazda's all-wheel drive World Rally car, the 323 GTX, a couple of decades ago. There were also road going versions the 323 GT as well. The BP was basically designed to be turbocharged. I think Madza was getting >400 hp out of it.
Thank you for your intelligent contribution. :) I agree and also know a lady who has one of the fastest turbo miatas in the country (miatamama in Louisville, KY). She's getting 400+ on stock internals.
And for those who say the miata is *just* a miata, I used to argue to the hilt with my psyco ex-boyfriend who drove a Chaste White fd (hmmm...coincidence?!) about the miata's role in the Mazda sportscar lineup from the late eighties on.
What car first had the Power Plant Frame?! The MIATA. Which car got it second? The FD.
That muthaf*cka used to piss me off daily telling me that my miata was merely a little piss-ant convertible and that his fd was the allmighty sports car.:mad: Hell, he even used to degrade me and my car by saying the miata wasn't a sports car, until I busted out the Webster definition on him. :mad:
It was then that I took my lowly miata driving ass to the RX-7 club meetings not only to learn all I could about the RX-7s, but to bridge the gap between Mazda's grand touring sports car enthusiasts and my Mazda roadster enthusiasts. I gained respect and enjoyed hearing the "I didn't think miatas were that quick" comments from my fellow rotorheads. (this pissed my ex off to no end. He could no longer keep me down with his elitest bullsh*t).
This display of comradeship educated all and created a tighter net Mazda community in Austin, TX, such that before I moved away from Austin the TexasRXs club and the Tejasmiata club were regularly doing events together. Thus the reason why I was elected Texas RXs President in 2002. :)
So before you go insulting your fellow Mazda familia, think about the negative walls you are putting up.
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