New HiBoost Mazda6 turbo

[HiBoost TS]

This are a couple of cars running our prototype kit already.
The final setup should be available by February 2004.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/HiBoost TS/dsc01273b.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/HiBoost TS/dsc01279b.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/HiBoost TS/dsc01305a.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/HiBoost TS/dsc01307b.jpg

[batmang]

nice.

[zoomzoom02]

what about the 6cyl

[mp5jeff]

any dynos yet?

[YP5 Toronto]

Juan...you the man. You must love your job!

[MarkSpark]

hit us with some specs! I'd even take some guesstimates...

[HiBoost TS]

Originally posted by MarkSpark
hit us with some specs! I'd even take some guesstimates...

Well the kit is pretty much like our already known P5 kit. It will probably come with two different turbos. One with the same IHI used in the P5 kit and another upgrade with a larger Garrett GT ball bearing turbo and Tial external wastegate. Front mounted intercooler, Haltech F10 or E6X fuel or engine management systems, 3 inch cone filter with Cold air intake piping, silicone hoses with color option, steel braided oil lines, boost controller and more. It retains the cat converter with both O2 sensors and will be closed loop conrtrolled for better performance and fuel economy.

We will do the dyno tests once we have the different options with the two turbos, the external wastegate and with the final setup.

The Mazda3 kit is already in the works for both the 2.0 and 2.3 engines.

No 6 cyl Mazda6 yet.

Juan

[Sdrotary2]

Beautiful. I see the intake manifold is stock have you had any issues with cracking/leaking under boost yet? I cant wait to see some dyno #'s for the GT/Tial/E6X setup. Very nice indeed. I am gonna take guestimates and am in no way affliated with Highboost so dont quote me.

MT mazda 6 I, ihi turbo internal wastegate 2.3 242whp @ 8psi , 265whp @ 10 psi. I hope for 325-350whp for the GT turbo @ 15psi w/ 100 octane fuel. That would be huge.

If it is an automatic then take a bunch away. lol. Good luck Juan and thanks for supporting the Mazda crowd :D

[Dexter]

thats awesome. :)

[Necessity]

This is great news! Hopefully more vendors will start producing kits for the v6 as well;)

[Matthew]

hopefully juan will let me test a kit for my mp5 for free provided i go around with hiboost displayed everywhere to see if i can get the fastest mp5 in the world. :D

[skilletrx]

that is crazy.

[hawaiiannights]

I am so waiting for the 6 wagon to come out when it does I would definately get this kit! I wonder if there will be one for the 6 cylinder? don't see too many bolt on kits for 6 bangers out there though..... Hope the price is reasonable as well.....

[mp5jeff]

Originally posted by hawaiiannights
I am so waiting for the 6 wagon to come out when it does I would definately get this kit! I wonder if there will be one for the 6 cylinder? don't see too many bolt on kits for 6 bangers out there though..... Hope the price is reasonable as well.....



thats because in most 6 cyls, there isn't room for a turbo kit...

[hawaiiannights]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
thats because in most 6 cyls, there isn't room for a turbo kit...

True.... Maybe a 4 banger is the way to go then...and it will be cheaper and if I do get boost it will be faster than the 6 banger anyway...

[HiBoost TS]

Originally posted by Sdrotary2
Beautiful. I see the intake manifold is stock have you had any issues with cracking/leaking under boost yet? I cant wait to see some dyno #'s for the GT/Tial/E6X setup. Very nice indeed. I am gonna take guestimates and am in no way affliated with Highboost so dont quote me.

MT mazda 6 I, ihi turbo internal wastegate 2.3 242whp @ 8psi , 265whp @ 10 psi. I hope for 325-350whp for the GT turbo @ 15psi w/ 100 octane fuel. That would be huge.

If it is an automatic then take a bunch away. lol. Good luck Juan and thanks for supporting the Mazda crowd :D

Well, I hope it takes boost without any trouble. I have tested those style intake manifolds in Audis, Citroen and Renaults up to 24 psi without any issues.

Once I have dyno tests, I will post them. I want to make the tests with the final production parts.

Happy new year to all!

Juan

[Pirana]

Awesome, just freaking awesome. Good job, love it. Your are the man!!!!!

[Vulcanon]

considering the 6 now vic? =p

[CharlieDigital]

How will the Ford Duratecs hold up to boost?

Any idea?

[Dexter]

Originally posted by CharlieDigital
How will the Ford Duratecs hold up to boost?

Any idea?


the 2.3L engine (which this kit is for) is not a duratec.

[Brian MP5T]

Very cool. That was pretty quick. Good Luck with the sales. It's a popular car so there should be no problems. Later...Brian

[pdhaudio83]

mazda engineered the 2.3L

the v6 is the duratec.

[Equinox]

I was considering how powerful a turbo mazda3 would be, oh man I don't wanna meet one on the road =/

[Necessity]

v6 is a ford block with mazda internals. The 2.3 is mostly mazda. Estimates on the 6 board say it's about 90% mazda, 10% ford.

[TiGrayMsp716]

So how easily will that fit on a 3... any speculations?

[stdntDrvr]

damn.
nice job juan!

[Necessity]

http://www.carseverything.com/content/article/1346.3/
for anyone curious about the Mazda engine lineup.

[CharlieDigital]

K. I was under the impression that the 2.0's and 2.3's were partially based on the Duratecs as well...

In that case, then let me reprhase :D how does 2.0/2.3 take boost?

I'm currently considering new cars (in no particular order, all of which are in my price range):

1) G35 (sedan)
Pro : fast, functional, RWD., luxury
Con : somewhat blah, biggish (although not much bigger than a 6), heavy, expensive

2) G35 (coupe)
Pro : fast, RWD., luxury, sexy beast
Con : Northeast weather + RWD + summer tires = bad; my friend garages his all winter...what a shame, heavy, expensive, not very functional (passenger/cargo size wise), insurance rates :eek:

3) Volvo S40 (2k5)
Pro : Decent power (T5), nice looks inside and out
Con : Volvo reliability is questionable...

4) Acura TSX
Pro : Decent power, nice looks inside and out, very nice fit + finish, high reliability, comes loaded
Con : power lag (pulls neck and neck with Mz3 up to ~60 mph), not an Acura fan

5) Mazda 6
Con : GF(/fiance) already has it :(

6) Mazda 3
Pro : Nice looks, nice interior, small, light, peppy, fun to drive (based on experience with my gf's 6i and previous--way underpowered--Protege), cheap (more money for my plasma widescreen :cool: ), I get $1k off instantly! (-$500 recent grad, -$500 dealer loyalty--gf purchased 2 Mazda's from there).
Con : Somewhat underpowered (I'm coming from Maxima so I luv's me some v6 powah! :D), small size (not very utilitarian), not as luxurious as the above, racer-boy image

I'm leaning towards the TSX or 3, my concern with both is that they'll be somewhat underpowered for my driving style :rolleyes: (if you know what I mean). But I am high on the fun to drive factor of the 3. Haven't driven one yet, but my exprience in my gf's 6i has been all positive. Hoping to hear more news of Mazdaspeed Mz3...if it's around 200 HP, 180-190 TQ, I'll bite. Aftermarket turbo is also an option, but I'd rather have less problems with dealer and warrantee. Not to mention that the HiBoost kit is somewhat expensive (even more so if you factor in getting it professionally tuned and adding other exhaust parts to take full advantage of the turbo).

Thoughts?

[Necessity]

The 3 is absolutly rediculous fun to drive, I'd reccomend you try the manual 2.3 before anything!

The g35 from what I understand has tcs that cannot be turned off. This may have changed recently, but I strongly remember one at a local autox where the owner was cursing the vehicle for not letting his slide through turns.

I'd test drive a manual v6 mz6 as well, but then again, I'm partial;)

[silverturbozoom]

that Intercooler looks quite thin dont ya think?

[flat_black]

VOLVO's reliability is questionable? O.O Since when?

I can vouch for the current V/S40, as I have a friend with one that has 40,000 miles, with zero problems or complaints, and this is a guy who's fickle as hell about his cars.

I, too, was going to purchase a S40, until I realized they weren't offered in manual. Bleh. Now with the t5, they will be, but the V50 is also coming out, so I guess I'll be looking at either of those, just as a possable car for later. =) Then, I'm also considering the Scion tC with the TRD superchager.

At any rate, I would go for the Volvo, but I am a Volvo fan, and I have loved the three that my family and myself have owned. =)

[Necessity]

Volvo's new R series are being slammed left and right for reliability. Their SUV as well. The reason being is that many owners are having to spend ludicris amounts of time waiting for their vehicles to be repaired at the dealerships.

[Little Beavis]

Continuing the threadjack, I vote for the S40 T5 as well. I want one!

[CharlieDigital]

Chart of Volvo reliability study:

http://www.autooninfo.info/RelPerVolvoCharts.htm

I also believe JDPowers has them below industry average.


Check the bottom right chart:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-01-15-quality_x.htm

"Brands whose perceived quality exceeds actual quality by percentage"

More stuff:
http://www.thecomplaintstation.com/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi/Forum/Subtopic/TopicID=0833/SubtopicID=00019397/firstrecord=0/finalrecord=14/

...makes me hesitant to purchase Volvo

[Jliao]

Any updates on this?

[shaggin'wagon]

YEAH, any word on the release date, and or power ratings (dyno's)?
shag' (boom04)

[CharlieDigital]

I emailed info@highboost...

No reply :(

[stdntDrvr]

juan is VERY busy and VERY hard to catch...give him some time, he'll get back to you.

[SVTJayC]

Not to be a troll, because technically since I am buying either a 6 or a 3 in the near future im not, but it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant some of you mazda folks can be. Not the ones that ask questions, like (is this a ford engine), but those who give uneducated responces. Both the 2.0 and 2.3 motors are DURATEC blocks. They were developed in a joint effort by Ford and Mazda, but they are DURATEC blocks by name. In the case of the Mazda the head has VCT, and designed solely by Mazda. For a whopping 10 more hp than the standard Ford head. The turbo motor that will most likely appear in a futre Mazdaspeed 3/Focus ST, is based on the 2.0 and being designed by Ford. The Chassis for the Mazda 3 is the Ford C1. The Chassis on the Mazda 6 however is a Mazda design and will soon find its way into future Ford vehicles.

[shaggin'wagon]

call me an ignorant person, but how do you know this information, and what are we to believe from a person of just 1 post count? who are you and how do you know that? (not saying you don't know, but if you do please inform us of how you are so enlightened with this information).
shag' (jerkit)

[SVTJayC]

call me an ignorant person, but how do you know this information, and what are we to believe from a person of just 1 post count? who are you and how do you know that? (not saying you don't know, but if you do please inform us of how you are so enlightened with this information).
shag' (jerkit)

Surely,

Head over to the Focus Forums www.focaljet.com There is a guy there by the name of Biker16. He has been posting info on the new Duratec HE line since before the 6 came out. You'll find all the legit info you need on the whole line there. IIRC he lives in/around Flat Rock MI and knows some folks in the engine devel program. I will try to dig up the info for you. This blind Ford bashing isn't new, it is rapant on the other mazda6 forum too.

Actually here you go: http://home.att.net/~biker16/

[shaggin'wagon]

Any up dates on this.... I would be really interested.....

Shag' (hump)

[Jliao]

Hrm! I want some update!

[MrTea]

i just got a message from juan tonight, and he wants to finish things up next week. got backed up with work on a speed protege, so i got pushed back a week. hopefully all goes well for next week and i will have further updates.

[crossbow]

Make sure to buff up your Auto Tranny mr tea...We had a local members fail, and he only had an intake on!!!! The 6i ATX is definitely not designed for any large application of power, and will require some sort of buildup to prevent catastrophic failure.

[MrTea]

i'm already in line to prototype some mounts, so that will help. but once all is done i'm heading down to Energy Suspension to get them to do the upper mount and tranny mount. believe me it's on my mind, but i expect to change the tranny somewhat soon anyhow.

[timba24]

damn you Mr. tea and all your cool parts lol

lucky bastard

[MrTea]

sorry guy! ...not really

head to the norcal meet (SLO) and you can have some fun in it too!

i still don't know all that is going to happen with it though. couple questions i haven't asked that hopefully will be addressed today.

quick one for you guys, crossbow, since the stock ecu has no control over fuel, how does that effect the govenor?

also don't know if i've posted, but i'm working with a company that makes Focus parts, and doing the crossover for the 4 bangers...he's got some axles for me to try out as well, we'll see.

[crossbow]

MrTea,

I posted to your comment on 6club...Get your car checked IMMEDIATELY. 33% oil loss between oil changes is sign of a SERIOUS ENGINE PROBLEM. This needs immediate attention. The only other 6i's which have had oil consumption issues resulted in total and complete ENGINE FAILURE.

Please have your car checked ASAP, or post further on 6club or 6tech for more info.

[MrTea]

i had that issue back in October, with multiple visits to mazda and no issues found. i'm not sweating it at all, i've talked to a few people, at the dealer as well, that have seen this before. if it happened often or more quickly i'd be worried...but i'm not.

as far as the HiBoost, if all goes as planned i will drop off the car on monday...we shall see.

[crossbow]

33% oil consumption is a serious issue. You pump any power into that engine its gonna die. =/

As I said earlier, the only 6i's with over a 1qt consumption per 5,000 miles, had completely and total engine failures.

Is there another dealer you can take it to? Have you tried contacting mazda usa? I would NOT do ANYTHING involving MAJOR engine work (aka turbo) until your consumption is normal.

Otherwise put about 5k on the side for an engine replacement. And no I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just being completely realistic. Your engine will die. 33%!!! of your oil supply is just DISAPPEARING!!!!!!!!

I don't even know why your still driving the car.

[noclue119]

33% oil consumption is a serious issue. You pump any power into that engine its gonna die. =/

As I said earlier, the only 6i's with over a 1qt consumption per 5,000 miles, had completely and total engine failures.

Is there another dealer you can take it to? Have you tried contacting mazda usa? I would NOT do ANYTHING involving MAJOR engine work (aka turbo) until your consumption is normal.

Otherwise put about 5k on the side for an engine replacement. And no I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just being completely realistic. Your engine will die. 33%!!! of your oil supply is just DISAPPEARING!!!!!!!!

I don't even know why your still driving the car.
i don't drive a 6 but i'm with crossbow... losing 33% of you oil means 2 thing
1. your engine is eating up oil(aka. heat).
2. you have a leak.

either way turbo = much hotter engine = your car going boom...

[MrTea]

as i posted on the 6club, i put the 1.5 in to be safe due to the fact that i wasn't looking to change the oil for another 500 or so. the CEL ended up being do to the change to the AEM intake from the Injen, it was scanned the same night i put in the oil. the oil was changed yesterday and was a bit high, so i'm not worried at all. since the initial incident 9 months,9000+ miles ago, i've had no issues/leaks. but this is the first time i've past the 3k mark so i didn't want to take any chances.
i understand FI into anything with a leak would be bad, i do, especially with how hard i drive my car. i expect to replace many parts on the car, that in time we'll find were not designed for FI. but i'm not remotely worried about the basic Engine as an initial threat. i spend a lot of time on my cars and don't see ANY signs to worry currently.
i appreciate the worry from everyone.

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

If there hasn't been any "consumption" issues for 9000K, whats to say it wasn't just the oil change place (dealer or otherwise) skimping out of the oil when they changed it. If Mazda gives it the OK, and there haven't been any problems since, I say go for it. From your post on the 6club I was under the impression that was was a recent/ongoing issue, but I guess not. (headbang)

[crossbow]

Actually I'd be far more worried if I hadn't had any consumption issues for 20k miles, then suddenly I had to add 1.5 qts =/.

I guess if your not worried then go ahead...just let the turbo shop know your having comsumption issues...so if their dyno seems weak or things start going haywire, they'll just replace the engine.

[Da 6]

when you all saw my car at the last meet I had a blue air/oil seperater on my aem....reason is after a week I pulled the intake and found the breather line leaks out into the intake and intake mani...the tb has a nice lil coating from it. it apears to be like the neon...the oil is being consumed by the engine on the intake side...not shure if it's the same thing for the V6 croud...pull breather line and se if there is a nice ring of oil on the nipple or bellows(acordian) tube and yes if you are loosing that much 33% then something is up

[crossbow]

You should really post more about that mod...when I pulled my TB off, both the Throttlebody and intake manifold was coated with oil =/.

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

Crossbow, if you read MrTea's original post about the so-called "consumption," he says he was off about 0.5 qts, not 1.5. He added 1.5 qts to be on the safe side as he also had a CEL at the time. The CEL code was just the intake fuel trim issue (not entirely unheard of in the 4-bangers). And also he said when he changed the oil he had too much. So his engine is not consuming 1.5qts, or 33% of his oil capacity ro anywhere near it.

[speedhawaii]

thats a tiny ic, guess cause of the re bar

[crossbow]

If it was 0.5 qts low, why did he add 1.5? That just doesn't make any sense.

Adding too much oil is as bad as not having enough. It causes foaming, and can reduce the lubricate qualities of the film rather rapidly.

[Da 6]

yeah as for the air/oil seperator I'm stock for warenty issues....all it was is a air compressor filter for air gunthat I was using till I find the "Right" air/oil seperator that actually looks somewhat ok and functions really well. anyone use the one on ebay marked mazdaspeed?

as for cels on 2.3...yep I get those everytime I put my (Half Custom)cai back on for the first time and after it clears it nevers shows up again untill you pull the cai. If you want the took to clear the CEL/MIL withought pillung negative batt get the autoXray obdII can bus scanner. Don't do what I did and get the actron one cause it reads every car but the 6 (stooges)

and yes let the car sit especially if it's been driven before you read the dipstick cause all the oil hasn't drained from the head to give you an accurate enough reading. We had people drive our cars in the fleet hard and then pull the dipstick...folowed the directions on the dipstick and added 2 quarts.

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

Crossbow, I have no Idea why he added 1.5 if it was only .5 low, just saying thats what occured.

[crossbow]

Well 0.5 is nothing. That could just be a misreading :). Do mention that he shouldn't add more oil "just to be safe" though. If he gets bubbles on the dipstick...thats really bad.

[RODSCALIP5]

Any updates??? Is it available yet?? Price??

[MrTea]

no updates unfortunately, Juan is working on a MazdaSpeed at the moment that had some set backs. waiting for a response from him.

[igdrasil]

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[Da 6]

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[Da 6]

Beleve there was a 6 in route or already there for testin after they officaly finnished up the tuboed 3