???Injen CAI

[3.5titanuimSD]

Well i'm getting an injen CAI for christmas, and i was wondering if the front bumper has to come off to install the CAI. And my other question is i'm paying about 270 for for the polished CAI, is that too much and how much did you guys pay for you CAI??




(msptitani

[122 Vega]

200 even, front bumper stays on.

Britt

[VegasMSP]

Hey 3.5titanuimSD to answer your questions. NO the bumper doesn't need to be removed, just the liner in the wheel well has to be opened. Here's the how to by ghostP5 from ******** :D How to Injen install for MSP (http://www.********.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3723#post3723) . As for Price $270 is high for the polished. Go here to Adventon (http://www.adventon.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=24&Product_ID=15979&CATID=21) they have it for $203.22. Hope this helps and this is my one time X-mas deed for this year.;)

[jersey_emt]

$270 is WAY too much...

[3.5titanuimSD]

I know i should shop around more this week

[Leadfoot]

yeah...Adventon was like $219& change shipped all the way over here to PA...you should have significantly less S&H costs.

[3.5titanuimSD]

were is adventon located??

[Striker187]

san dimas, CA

great place to do business. that's where i bought mine from.

[CRDMS1]

I'll ship you my used Injen (polished) for $150...then you can use the rest for something else :D

Peace...(hippy)

[instylz]

You don't even need to remove the tire-well lining. All you need to do is bring the plastic lining underneath the car back a lil. Then place the filter on and secure everything down. A lot faster and just as effective. :)

[pluto316]

(cough) Get a K&N filter instead!! (cough)

[3.5titanuimSD]

i already have an K&N filter

[pluto316]

Keep it, the CAI is pretty much worthless.

[3.5titanuimSD]

Why?? is it worth less??
Is the no gain HP wise??

[pluto316]

Originally posted by 3.5titanuimSD
Why?? is it worth less??
Is the no gain HP wise??

For the price you pay, you might as well hire a mexican guy to push your car off the line, and you'll see better gain. It's got, what, a thousand bends in it to get "cold air"? I've seen efficent turbo systems with the filter attached to the turbo it's self. The distance from the filter to the turbo isn't worth the slightly colder air you'll be stucking in.. Then again, you have an intercooler don't you? That's really it's job.

[3.5titanuimSD]

Man then wut should i just get the short Ram??

[3.5titanuimSD]

How about HP how much does it put out and does the sound of the turbo louder? and also is the blow off more noticible, from the CAI, and how about the Short ram does it do the Same??

[pluto316]

If you have the K&N keep it and use that money for a larger downpipe. You'll see much higher gains from that than another intake component.

Then again, if all you want is a louder turkey get the Injen CAI, don't let me stop you. I just think it's really stupid. It's a N/A component Injen sells for the MSP cause it's, well, an easy sell. They are in it for the money.

[3.5titanuimSD]

Dang, but i can't find anyone who sells down pipes that's close around me. I would rather buy a part that could pick up at a shop, not over the internet. And i know ion has dp and also Dr. sound said he'll call me if gets a from proto sport dp so all i can do now is get the CAI. and is it like everytime i shift while driving normally the turky sound is noticible?? becuz i don't want that sound cuming out of my car while driving normally.

[Striker187]

you'll only hear the bpv when you're in boost, cause that's when it will open to release the pressure. and ya know, if you're in san diego, there's prolly a million and one performance shops near you that can build you a custom dp if don't wanna order it from somewhere.

[3.5titanuimSD]

But it would cost twice the amount then if i get one from a performance company.

[jflo]

same thing w/ the injen. just save ur money. wait for aem to come out w/ the short ram and use the money u have now for a downpipe. it allows the turbo to spool faster. u'll have a bigger hp gain then the cai if that's all u're looking for

[jflo]

oh yeah, if dr.sound does get a downpipe from protosport, just come to the meet and pick it up and bring it back to san diego and install it

[lasermp5]

Got mine for 218 shipped. Yours will be a little less though...mine was blue, not polished. PM Ben from Apex motorsports at apexcivic or email apexcivic@aol.com This guy is really great to deal with.... really went the extra mile for me! Anyways, if you can afford it, get the CAI... Ya the performance might not be a whole lot more than ebay intake or aem short ram, but it looks 300 times better!!! You will be proud when you show someone your engine bay :D

[pluto316]

Originally posted by lasermp5
Got mine for 218 shipped. Yours will be a little less though...mine was blue, not polished. PM Ben from Apex motorsports at apexcivic or email apexcivic@aol.com This guy is really great to deal with.... really went the extra mile for me! Anyways, if you can afford it, get the CAI... Ya the performance might not be a whole lot more than ebay intake or aem short ram, but it looks 300 times better!!! You will be proud when you show someone your engine bay :D



You drive a N/A car, don't tell this guy to get a CAI intake cause it looks cool.

[Notorious]

I have a cai intake and the gains are obvious. Much more than what you would get with just a drop in which is what 3.5SD has. It doesn't have a thousand bends and there aren't any sharp 90 degree bends either. It is a much better set up than stock which has LONGER tubing because it snakes around all over the place, and has sharper turns, plus metal flows better than plastic.

[CatchMe]

as soon as someone wins this argument I'll know what to buy......(yippy)

[CatchMe]

so does anyone have numbers to back any of this up???

[funnylittlman]

CatchMe,

Search under SpicyMSP and INJEN and you'll come up w/ her dyno :D

as for me, K&N Panel Drop in or AEM Short Ram :D ..... no thanks to Injen

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Notorious
I have a cai intake and the gains are obvious. Much more than what you would get with just a drop in which is what 3.5SD has. It doesn't have a thousand bends and there aren't any sharp 90 degree bends either. It is a much better set up than stock which has LONGER tubing because it snakes around all over the place, and has sharper turns, plus metal flows better than plastic.

(Image stolen from 122 Vega)
http://www.msprotege.com/members/122%20Vega/p1010501.jpg


Yeah, there's NO 90* bends in there, no sir. The K&N filter flows better than pretty much any filter out there, increasing air flow.. Plus the fact that you can reuse it, it pays for it's self. Then again I didn't know PLASTIC PIPE FLOWS BETTER THAN METAL** (WTF?) so what do I know, right? I mean I can't argue with your "feels faster" dyno.




**Are you talking about heatsoak or what? Cause my head is spinning here.

[lasermp5]

Originally posted by pluto316
You drive a N/A car, don't tell this guy to get a CAI intake cause it looks cool.

Oh ya your right...my mistake. I forgot the msp injens don't poke your eye out when you open up the engine like mine does.

[gboromsp]

There may be a 90 degree bend, but the air is still traveling a shorter distance than stock. I have the injen now, but when AEM finally releases their SRI i'll buy that.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by lasermp5
Oh ya your right...my mistake. I forgot the msp injens don't poke your eye out when you open up the engine like mine does.

Yeah, you gotta watch out for that, I have to wear an eye patch now.

[Notorious]

Originally posted by pluto316
(Image stolen from 122 Vega)
http://www.msprotege.com/members/122%20Vega/p1010501.jpg


Yeah, there's NO 90* bends in there, no sir. The K&N filter flows better than pretty much any filter out there, increasing air flow.. Plus the fact that you can reuse it, it pays for it's self. Then again I didn't know PLASTIC PIPE FLOWS BETTER THAN METAL** (WTF?) so what do I know, right? I mean I can't argue with your "feels faster" dyno.




**Are you talking about heatsoak or what? Cause my head is spinning here.

Look at it from a different angle. It's not quite a 90 degree bend and its not a super sharp bend either. Also if you really that concerned about how well a filter flows just put a k&n cone on the end of the intake. Not that the injen doesn't have pretty much the same thing and AEM uses k&n filters, they just put there name on it.

By the way how am i suppose to know if you know that metal flows better than metal. This reason alone is why I chose the injen. Also its not just a feels faster dyno. Go look at the dyno charts and then come back here and tell me that there are no real gains.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Notorious
Look at it from a different angle. It's not quite a 90 degree bend and its not a super sharp bend either. Also if you really that concerned about how well a filter flows just put a k&n cone on the end of the intake. Not that the injen doesn't have pretty much the same thing and AEM uses k&n filters, they just put there name on it.

By the way how am i suppose to know if you know that metal flows better than metal. This reason alone is why I chose the injen. Also its not just a feels faster dyno. Go look at the dyno charts and then come back here and tell me that there are no real gains.


It's like the SS hood on a Camaro, the engine sees a slight gain INSPITE of the weird hood design. Your HP increase could be from a better filter alone.

[3.5titanuimSD]

Alright.............So how much Hp is the injen CAI gona give me??

[Notorious]

I believe the dyno chart stated 10-12 hp???

Search for injen dyno and spicymsp made the post.

[Heathen23]

pluto316. I am impressed you just posted 3 pages of unfounded bullshit and wasted peoples time.

[2K3 MSP]

Originally posted by Heathen23
pluto316. I am impressed you just posted 3 pages of unfounded bullshit and wasted peoples time.
(werd)
A lot of us have done the K&N filter mod, only to realize that it sucked in too much hot air due to the location of the filter.(fan blows hot air right on it) Some of us created our own cold air extensions, and others bought the Injen. I know adding the cold air extension was better than the filter alone because I did it myself. I ordered my Injen and I know it will STILL give me more gain than the CAI I made.

03.5TitaniumSD, if you decide to get the Injen, get it from www.adventon.com Seriously, it is the best price you will find.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Heathen23
pluto316. I am impressed you just posted 3 pages of unfounded bullshit and wasted peoples time.


Just because you bought an N/A intake doesn't mean you can get all pissy at me sir.

[jflo]

wtf ? n/a intake ? he has an msp...

[Striker187]

i thought injen filters use a k&n filter element?

[jflo]

it looks like it...can't be too sure. but it's not the same as adding a cone filter or the drop-in replacement. the injen will not flex like stock piping and is not as long as stock piping. the ID of the cai is prolly a lil' bit bigger, too.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by jflo
wtf ? n/a intake ? he has an msp...


It's a mod for a N/A engine, Injen sells a MSP version for the quick money.

[2K3 MSP]

Originally posted by pluto316
It's a mod for a N/A engine, Injen sells a MSP version for the quick money.
Okay, seriously, WTF are you talking about??? Quick money?? DO you realize how long the Mazdaspeed was out before one of OUR OWN board members(SpicyMSP) stepped up to the plate and left her car with INJEN so they could create the CAI? They had to do lots of R&D. It wasn't a matter or taking a CAI off another and flipping the piping around. This is created specifically for our cars. With every post you make, you sound like you know less and less about your own car. Why don't YOU do a search for Steph's thread about the Injen, and read up on it. (loser)

[pluto316]

Originally posted by 2K3 Mazdaspeed
Okay, seriously, WTF are you talking about??? Quick money?? DO you realize how long the Mazdaspeed was out before one of OUR OWN board members(SpicyMSP) stepped up to the plate and left her car with INJEN so they could create the CAI? They had to do lots of R&D. It wasn't a matter or taking a CAI off another and flipping the piping around. This is created specifically for our cars. With every post you make, you sound like you know less and less about your own car. Why don't YOU do a search for Steph's thread about the Injen, and read up on it. (loser)


Yeah, Injen heard "WE HAVE MSPS AND MONEY, PLEASE MAKE A PIPE FOR US." The fine fine folks and Injen gave you a pipe that goes into the fender... Just like the N/A setup:

(Image stolen from Crashed)
http://www.msprotege.com/members/crashed/cai%201.jpg

Wow, look at all the R&D it took to make a new pipe, way to go Injen!! And maybe I don't know everything about this poor poor '93 engine but I do know a shit load about other turboed cars, for example, let's call out some big names. Supras, RX-7s, 240s, Skylines. Now, go on cardomain.com or pick up a Super Street (Ricer Bible) or whatever and look at some engine bay shots..


WOAH, ALL SRI?! Yeah, that's right kids, THEY HAVE INTERCOOLERS just like US! :eek: That's the beauty of a turbo charged system with an intercooler, it cools the ungodly hot air the turbo is churning out. Even if the CAI intake is pulling in colder air (it is, which is GREAT for a N/A setup, I totally agree) the turbo is just going to heat it the HELL back up. Any gains you will see from the Injen is a combination of filter and the stock intercooler's poor cooling ability, that's about it. For the money wasted you are much much much (much) better off buying a larger downpipe.


So, come on, insult me more. WHAT DO I KNOW RIGHT? ;)

[Heathen23]

Originally posted by pluto316
Just because you bought an N/A intake doesn't mean you can get all pissy at me sir.

Actually my "pissy" post comes from the fact that you forgot to check your facts and check your mouth at the door.

You are spewing baseless posts that only mislead newbs. Check the dynos and get back to us before you yap about what does, and does not lose/gain horsepower. And if you refering to Ion's baseless claim forget it. They never produced any info on how a specific intake that started with an "I" lost power, they just bad mouthed it.

[2K3 MSP]

Actually, I have a downpipe. Now, I want to finish off my engine components. Next on the list is the Injen, then the FMIC.
So, you are telling me that I would be better off sticking a K&N filter directly onto my MAF, and leave the rest of the stock piping as is?
With the extra length of piping in the stock system, the air gets hotter than it would going the more direct route that the CAI takes. There is no way around it. Mazda didn't come up with the best routing system, and Injen improved it for us. How is that not worth spending money on, when it is shown to have given HP and TQ gains??
And I don't care if this motor has been around since 1983 or 1993. The fact is, it's turbo'd now, and someone had to make an intake for it. I've done the filter mod, and it doesn't work that well.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Heathen23
Actually my "pissy" post comes from the fact that you forgot to check your facts and check your mouth at the door.

You are spewing baseless posts that only mislead newbs. Check the dynos and get back to us before you yap about what does, and does not loose/gain horsepower. And if you refering to Ion's baseless claim forget it. They never produced any info on how a specific intake that started with an "I" lost power, they just bad mouthed it.



I just did a search but couldn't really find a dyno that I was looking for, I did, however, find lots of your posts trying to quiet anyone saying anything bad about the Injen CAI..


Tell me, how's your job at Injen working out for you?


Also: Cause my quick dyno search SUCKED why not proove me wrong? Post a dyno run or two, if I am wrong I will admit that MAYBE on the MSP the CAI actually helps the stock setup, until then we can use my dyno.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/pluto316/injendyno.gif

[pluto316]

Originally posted by 2K3 Mazdaspeed
Actually, I have a downpipe. Now, I want to finish off my engine components. Next on the list is the Injen, then the FMIC.
So, you are telling me that I would be better off sticking a K&N filter directly onto my MAF, and leave the rest of the stock piping as is?
With the extra length of piping in the stock system, the air gets hotter than it would going the more direct route that the CAI takes. There is no way around it. Mazda didn't come up with the best routing system, and Injen improved it for us. How is that not worth spending money on, when it is shown to have given HP and TQ gains??
And I don't care if this motor has been around since 1983 or 1993. The fact is, it's turbo'd now, and someone had to make an intake for it. I've done the filter mod, and it doesn't work that well.

The best would be to have no filter at all, but that is silly, sir. SILLY. With your totally rad new FMIC (I am jealous, I want one but I am broke as a joke) the advantages of a cold air intake is pretty nill as that's what the FMIC is made for.. TO COOL THE INTAKE TEMP.


Also: How does a filter mod not work well? I know it was a bitch putting it in my P5, it was a tight fit.

[Heathen23]

Originally posted by pluto316
I just did a search but couldn't really find a dyno that I was looking for, I did, however, find lots of your posts trying to quiet anyone saying anything bad about the Injen CAI..


Tell me, how's your job at Injen working out for you?


Also: Cause my quick dyno search SUCKED why not proove me wrong? Post a dyno run or two, if I am wrong I will admit that MAYBE on the MSP the CAI actually helps the stock setup, until then we can use my dyno.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/pluto316/injendyno.gif

I refuse to continue a flamewar in a section of a the forum that it does not belong. Your OPINIONS are the only thing you stated and nothing more. You should consider not posting opinion as fact and nothing more needs to be said.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Heathen23
I refuse to continue a flamewar in a section of a the forum that it does not belong. Your OPINIONS are the only thing you stated and nothing more. You should consider not posting opinion as fact and nothing more needs to be said.



Oh, so, what? You can't find a dyno? I thought you knew all about this?


This wasn't a flame until I had THE NERVE ( :eek: ) to question the ALL MIGHTLY Injen CAI.

[gboromsp]

Actually on the 96 and 97 Camaro SS's the hood is very functional since the filter sits right behind the scoop. Trust me I know since i've owned one. The 98 and new LS1's isn't quite as functional.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by gboromsp
Actually on the 96 and 97 Camaro SS's the hood is very functional since the filter sits right behind the scoop. Trust me I know since i've owned one. The 98 and new LS1's isn't quite as functional.

Sorry, that's more correct. The newer hoods are pretty lame though, admit it. Was it Car and Driver that said "The gains are good DISPITE the awful hood." or something similiar. My friends and I got a good chuckle out of that one.

[Heathen23]

Originally posted by pluto316
Sorry, that's more correct. The newer hoods are pretty lame though, admit it. Was it Car and Driver that said "The gains are good DISPITE the awful hood." or something similiar. My friends and I got a good chuckle out of that one.

The dyno images are pulled. If you READ around you will find it is 10-12 hp according to spicy's posted dyno. As an NA mod it's probably around 4hp right? Sadly this conversation will not make your penis larger nor will it allow you to afford mods for the car your parents bought you. All I asked is for you to back up your posted opinions (as in facts or data) but you turned this into making assinine graphs and demeaning attacks. Good job stereotypical MSP owner(thumb)

[servoeyes]

Originally posted by pluto316
The best would be to have no filter at all, but that is silly, sir. SILLY. With your totally rad new FMIC (I am jealous, I want one but I am broke as a joke) the advantages of a cold air intake is pretty nill as that's what the FMIC is made for.. TO COOL THE INTAKE TEMP.


Also: How does a filter mod not work well? I know it was a bitch putting it in my P5, it was a tight fit.

Since I was in a similar argument with Kwiktsi, which was resolved so long before you *even though* about joining this board. We agreed to disagree as you and heathen do. However, your claims are false to an extent and let me clear that up.

Other turbo cars like you mentioned that have SRIs instead of CAIs are EXTREMELY different from the MSP. They:

a) have larger turbos that are more efficient with higher intake temps. They also don't get as hot as a smaller turbo would at 6psi. Sending a cooler charge to our turbo will help its efficiency at higher boost levels.
b) have larger intercoolers...they have intercoolers that are mounted in a place where they will get cool airflow, not fan-blown radiator waste-heat...their filters probably aren't recycling this heat into the sytem as an SRI would in the MSP, as well.
c) Won't get as hot under the hood...the MSPs underhood temps are ridiculous...EVERYTHING gets hot!


Now...that being said, I find it hard to believe iON's post about the Injen...steph did produce graphs from Injen with up to 15whp increases over stock. I immediately felt a difference in my car after installing the intake as well. This may be attributed to the larger element filter, but being an engineer and a student of thermodynamics and fluid mechanics, this is the type of system that I would have chosen. At the time, it was the only one of its type. At *this* time it's still the one that fits my needs and is proven.

So what needs to happen is that you guys need to chill...it's a quality piece and people have experienced the results they wanted. If you've tried it and didn't like it, then at least put forth an intelligent response.

On a side note...if it's so wasteful in this car, then why is iON using a CAI and why is AEM releasing theirs as a CAI?

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Heathen23
The dyno images are pulled. If you READ around you will find it is 10-12 hp according to spicy's posted dyno. As an NA mod it's probably around 4hp right? Sadly this conversation will not make your penis larger nor will it allow you to afford mods for the car your parents bought you. All I asked is for you to back up your posted opinions (as opposed to facts or data) but you turned this into making assinine graphs and demeaning attacks. Good job stereotypical MSP owner(thumb)


Well I already have to wheel my penis around in a special cart cause it's so massive, so good thing, eh?


Also: OH MAN MY PARENTS BOUGHT THIS CAR? OUCH! YOU GOT ME!! Cause you know, :wtf: :bs: and all that jazz.

[shaolin]

It does seem logical that a CAI would not be as effective on a turbocharged car being that the point is to keep the ambient air as cool as possible, but in the case of the turbo, it is being heated in the turbo regardless. I think the better investment would likely be a FMIC, but hey what do I know...

Does anybody know what the actual temperature of the air after it exits the turbo is with a SRI setup as compared to a CAI setup? I wonder which (if any) is cooler...

[pluto316]

Originally posted by servoeyes
Since I was in a similar argument with Kwiktsi, which was resolved so long before you *even though* about joining this board. We agreed to disagree as you and heathen do. However, your claims are false to an extent and let me clear that up.

Other turbo cars like you mentioned that have SRIs instead of CAIs are EXTREMELY different from the MSP. They:

a) have larger turbos that are more efficient with higher intake temps. They also don't get as hot as a smaller turbo would at 6psi. Sending a cooler charge to our turbo will help its efficiency at higher boost levels.
b) have larger intercoolers...they have intercoolers that are mounted in a place where they will get cool airflow, not fan-blown radiator waste-heat...their filters probably aren't recycling this heat into the sytem as an SRI would in the MSP, as well.
c) Won't get as hot under the hood...the MSPs underhood temps are ridiculous...EVERYTHING gets hot!


Now...that being said, I find it hard to believe iON's post about the Injen...steph did produce graphs from Injen with up to 15whp increases over stock. I immediately felt a difference in my car after installing the intake as well. This may be attributed to the larger element filter, but being an engineer and a student of thermodynamics and fluid mechanics, this is the type of system that I would have chosen. At the time, it was the only one of its type. At *this* time it's still the one that fits my needs and is proven.

So what needs to happen is that you guys need to chill...it's a quality piece and people have experienced the results they wanted. If you've tried it and didn't like it, then at least put forth an intelligent response.

On a side note...if it's so wasteful in this car, then why is iON using a CAI and why is AEM releasing theirs as a CAI?


Can we agree to disagree for now? I heard about this argument from before from another member so I know that I am not the only one who see's a problem with the CAI. I am going to get some sleep, we can continue this tomorrow.

[servoeyes]

Originally posted by shaolin
It does seem logical that a CAI would not be as effective on a turbocharged car being that the point is to keep the ambient air as cool as possible, but in the case of the turbo, it is being heated in the turbo regardless. I think the better investment would likely be a FMIC, but hey what do I know...

Does anybody know what the actual temperature of the air after it exits the turbo is with a SRI setup as compared to a CAI setup? I wonder which (if any) is cooler...

You're right...a better intercooler would be more beneficial. The big thing the Injen provides is a location for more air, that is cooler than the engine bay's, to to taken into the intake tract. This will offer faster spool up...

The reason I say CAI over SRI in the MSP is due to underhood temps. The turbo is small and begins to lose efficiency at 12psi. The more air you can feed it that's colder, the better your efficiency will be, and the higher you can boost. That's it...


Basically, a better amount of flow through the system is what's necessary for a turbo: better intake flow, less flow loss in the IC, better exhaust flow. Beyond that you get into the nitty gritty an a car to car basis...I just feel that for the MSP, a CAI is the way to go...so if some of us disagree, that's the way it's gonna stay.

[Striker187]

(stopwar)

ya know, i love this board, but sometimes, people just go off on each other and threads go to shit. THERE IS A FORUM FOR THIS STUFF. but seriously, this forum is here to help fellow mazda owners and to put owners in connection with one another. not for name calling and childish behavior. and granted, no one is gonna agree on everything, so there will be disagreements, but people, show some respect, to both fellow members who have to wade through the pages and pages of crap, and to the person you're disagreeing with. remember, few people here actually KNOW one another.

with that in mind, if you're gonna argue something, be prepared to back it up with facts...both sides!! that's really the only way you're gonna convince someone otherwise. then try going from there...it'll probably save a lot of this back and forth banter.

there, got it out of my system :)

[servoeyes]

Dirty Hippy! :D

I've said my piece and explained why I think it's better...I'm not gonna start dropping equations as to why that is, mainly because I'm lazy...but rest assured that my thinking is not entirely flawed. Not every car is the same and certain things will do more for you than others. Like I said...I've explained what i think, so I'm pretty much outtie.

[jflo]

damn...servoeyes makes good points.

also, i'd like to note, is that those cars using SRIs have the compatible hardware to run like they do (i.e. MAP sensors).

but, i don't think the MSP gets as hot as the rx-7 in terms of engine bay temps...the lil' hood mod i posted about a while ago helped a member...1338 was his handle. but yeah, it does get pretty hot under the hood.

if i had ~250 to spend...i'd save 100 more dollars and buy myself a downpipe or i'd just use the 250 to buy joe p's mbc/fpr/fcd along with a boost gauge and pod and NGK BKR7E spark plugs (that's exactly what i did, getting those this week). overall, those would provide much higher numbers than the CAI. again, it's all up to you. i'm thinking of waiting for the SRI, but might just save my money for either a FMIC or full turbo-back

[2K3 MSP]

Originally posted by jflo
if i had ~250 to spend...i'd save 100 more dollars and buy myself a downpipe or i'd just use the 250 to buy joe p's mbc/fpr/fcd along with a boost gauge and pod and NGK BKR7E spark plugs (that's exactly what i did, getting those this week). overall, those would provide much higher numbers than the CAI.
That's fine, but when you're in my postition, and you've done all the other stuff, my only other option right now is the Injen intake. The FMIC is coming with my tax return, so the intake is the only thing I have in mind right now. Besides, my girlfriend is buying it for me, so how can I argue with that??:D

[servoeyes]

Originally posted by jflo
damn...servoeyes makes good points.

also, i'd like to note, is that those cars using SRIs have the compatible hardware to run like they do (i.e. MAP sensors).

but, i don't think the MSP gets as hot as the rx-7 in terms of engine bay temps...the lil' hood mod i posted about a while ago helped a member...1338 was his handle. but yeah, it does get pretty hot under the hood.

if i had ~250 to spend...i'd save 100 more dollars and buy myself a downpipe or i'd just use the 250 to buy joe p's mbc/fpr/fcd along with a boost gauge and pod and NGK BKR7E spark plugs (that's exactly what i did, getting those this week). overall, those would provide much higher numbers than the CAI. again, it's all up to you. i'm thinking of waiting for the SRI, but might just save my money for either a FMIC or full turbo-back

EXACTLY!! At the time there *wasn't* anything other than the INJEN and Joe's stuff, so it was the perfect first mod that kept your warranty, unless you went custom. However, with 2 different DPs (possibly more soon), cat-backs, and everything else it makes more sense to free up the ass end of the flow. Eventually, though, you'll need more airflow up front, and as boost increases I think the INJEN or any CAI would show its worth. In other words...it's not a useless mod, but there are better ones to do first that are really just as simple.

[jflo]

Originally posted by 2K3 Mazdaspeed
That's fine, but when you're in my postition, and you've done all the other stuff, my only other option right now is the Injen intake. The FMIC is coming with my tax return, so the intake is the only thing I have in mind right now. Besides, my girlfriend is buying it for me, so how can I argue with that??:D

nice :D i guess that's the only thing left to do

[SirJaime]

Damn Puto , what do u want a scooby snack/browny button or something. If you know so much WHY the hell did u buy an MSP and if you don't own 1 STFU. Like you... said there are better cars.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by SirJaime
Damn Puto , what do u want a scooby snack/browny button or something. If you know so much WHY the hell did u buy an MSP and if you don't own 1 STFU. Like you... said there are better cars.


Wow, because I know about other car's engine setups I shouldn't have gotten a MSP? :confused: I know enough to know that the MSP's engine is crap for extreme power gains but I love it as a daily driver. It's a great sedan for the price and will work great as a daily driver till I get my RX-7 when I graduate.


Also: OMG STFU LOLOZ!! ^_^

[shaolin]

For what the MSP is made for, extreme power is not necessary. The MSP is made for road racing and auto x as is most of Mazda's product line. It seems to me that Mazda is more concerned with producing well balanced cars than they are with extreme straight line speed.

Haha, I always laugh at the guy who's like "Look I paid 10 thousand to do this! Weeeeee!" **straight line speed slammed back in the seat**

Here's a challenge for you. Take your MSP around an auto-x course, and then take an RX-7. I'd be willing to wager that the times will be pretty similar. And that's pretty impressive considering that the MSP costs what? 20 thousand?

Sorry for the thread jack, but I hate when I see people say "the car sucks for getting alot of power." It's not what it's meant for. I'd be willing to wager that with huge power gains you wouldn't be able to handle it as well in the twisties. If straight line power is what you really wanted you should have gotten an old Camaro or something. It'll definitely beat the RX-7 you speak of.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by shaolin
For what the MSP is made for, extreme power is not necessary. The MSP is made for road racing and auto x as is most of Mazda's product line. It seems to me that Mazda is more concerned with producing well balanced cars than they are with extreme straight line speed.

Haha, I always laugh at the guy who's like "Look I paid 10 thousand to do this! Weeeeee!" **straight line speed slammed back in the seat**

Here's a challenge for you. Take your MSP around an auto-x course, and then take an RX-7. I'd be willing to wager that the times will be pretty similar. And that's pretty impressive considering that the MSP costs what? 20 thousand?

Sorry for the thread jack, but I hate when I see people say "the car sucks for getting alot of power." It's not what it's meant for. I'd be willing to wager that with huge power gains you wouldn't be able to handle it as well in the twisties. If straight line power is what you really wanted you should have gotten an old Camaro or something. It'll definitely beat the RX-7 you speak of.


I totally agree, the MSP rules as a daily driver.. I still want an RX-7.