Protege5 Production #?

[cbcbd]

So, feeling left out with all the MSPs and MP3s and their production #s I sought out to find mine.

First I tried calling MNAO and they couldn't tell me the prod #, bummer.

So then I was looking at the TSB for cold engine rattle and noticed that it basically gave me the range of VINs for all Protege5s (assuming).

So my logic worked this way:

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-The TSB says

02 Protege5
From VIN JM1BJ24**2*440775 to JM1BJ24**2*551281, go to STEP 3
From VIN JM1BJ24**2*551282 to JM1BJ24**2*641000, go to STEP 4

03 Protege / 03 Protege5
From VIN JM1BJ2***3*100001 to JM1BJ2***3*143365, go to STEP 4

-Now, I'm assuming that for a TSB they would include all Protege5s, at least all NA Protege5s

-So then I can assume that there are 200,225 '02 P5s (641000 - 440775) and 43,364 '03 P5/Pros (143365 - 100001), which is 243,589 total.
note:Now the only thing that I'm not sure of here is how many 03 P5s there truly are, since I don't know if they started making them with this TSB fix already done after VIN 143365 and they are put in together with Proteges- maybe someone here can check to see if they are within the 03 range.

-Anyway, since my 02 P5 VIN ends in 541769 I just subtracted 440775 from that # to get 100,994!, which is what I'm guessing is my production #.

-So I can safely say that I'm a 2002 Protege5 #100,994/200,225?
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Does this make any sense to anyone else? Does anyone know how many P5s were actually sent to NA?

[cbcbd]

Update: The TSBs are for North America only, so then I can assume that there were only 200,225 '02 P5s.

[Dimitrios]

Would you think that the mid-year cycle change during 2002 (2002.5) and 2003 (2003.5) added any VIN numbers to the block?

Also, I dunno how "special" I'd feel with 22,327 out of 43,364 production number :D. Then again, it's better than 22,327 out of 734,334 Civics or whatever :p

[+ friction]

Originally posted by Dimitrios
Then again, it's better than 22,327 out of 734,334 Civics or whatever :p

Exactly :D

And yeah, I'm curious about the "half years" adding VIN #'s too.

[cbcbd]

The TSB is for
2001-2003 Protege (2.0L FS only)
2002-2003 Protege5

So I'm guessing that the VIN #s they have include the 2002.5s. Like I said, I'm not sure if they fixed this problem with the 2003.5s or not, and the VINs for the 03 Pro5s are mixed in with VINs for 03 Proteges, so we can't be sure about those.

Well, if you're in the top 5,000 I think you'd still be special :D

I'm happy to be close to a big round number, 100,000

[VPower]

what happen if my 2003 canada P5 is not in the range?

[alexlitov]

1. I believe only about 60k of Proteges were made each year.
2. I wouldn't be happy to know that I was in the first 5K cause than I would get all the 'tested' parts

[akhilleus]

yeah there is no way 200,000+ p5 were made. Mazda probably doesnt even sell that many cars a year. I think the VIn may be randomized too.

[1338]

:wtf: ya'll are crazy.

[cbcbd]

Originally posted by akhilleus
yeah there is no way 200,000+ p5 were made. Mazda probably doesnt even sell that many cars a year. I think the VIn may be randomized too.
That wouldn't explain why a higher range of VINs already came with a modified part required for the TSB fix.


ya'll are crazy.
Get outta here, you just don't want us to have a production # too :p

[Turbo Matty P]

what does it matter?

[VPower]

what does it matter?!
well, I'll be able to put in my sig:

protege5 2003 # 89721837487374827341

hey msp and mp3 owners...i'm just kidding... :p

man...those guys and girls are going to run over me with their cars...

[cbcbd]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
what does it matter?
Hey, MSP owners do it :D

and hell yeah I'll put it on my sig. People will be like, wtf?

[VPower]

Originally posted by cbcbd
Hey, MSP owners do it :D

and hell yeah I'll put it on my sig. People will be like, wtf?

(lol)

[KpaBap]

:rolleyes:

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[FlannelBoy711]

If this is true, then I have production number 176.491

[cbcbd]

Originally posted by FlannelBoy711
If this is true, then I have production number 176.491
Yeah, I have a believer!!! Ok, I'll take your name off the quote. But the quote's staying, it's money :D

[RAAZ227]

mine is.....

39,013 ... but I ordered mine 2 months before they were really availible! When they only had demos. Hmmm

[loccusst]

Not sure about all of this but it would be cool to be able to say you have a lower number. Also, why does everyone bash on Honda's? Oh wait it's cause they drive by you when your car is broken down on the side of the road. Sorry but I am starting to get upset about all the negatives towards a very good car. Anyway, there has to be a way to tell what number your car is thats easier than this. There must be a way to know how many we produced.

[EviLMaN]

03.5 pro5 is wat i got i donno if it works but i did it any ways and got



#291097

[Kr33peR]

I got 2002.5 #176617. Hey FlannelBoy711 r cars were probably in Mazda's parking lot at the same time! Hehe.

[loccusst]

If this formula is right then I have a '03 production number 11,171. Not sure if I did it right though. My vin ends in 111172 so if someone else can check my math I'd apreciate it.

[Kr33peR]

143365-111172=32193
Ur actually #32193

[loccusst]

So they count down when they do serial numbers? Wouldn't that mean I would have a 2003.5 if my production number is so close to the end? I didn't get a sub with my car. I thought all 2003.5 cars came with a sub.

[alexlitov]

he is still lower than '02 people...

that formula is definately wrong...

[Kr33peR]

the numbers r only for ur production year

[loccusst]

Maybe you have to add the 03 number to the last production number of the 02's don't know, just guessing. Still that would mean that my car is an 03.5 and i didn't get a sub. What else can i do to tell if I have an 03.5 without the window sticker?

[alexlitov]

Look at the door jam, there should be a sticker with manufactured date...

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

i dont think ur formula works, sounds liek u might be on the right track though.

[uclap5]

"02 Protege5
From VIN JM1BJ24**2*440775 to JM1BJ24**2*551281, go to STEP 3
From VIN JM1BJ24**2*551282 to JM1BJ24**2*641000, go to STEP 4

03 Protege / 03 Protege5
From VIN JM1BJ2***3*100001 to JM1BJ2***3*143365, go to STEP 4"

according to some miata vin places the first digit of the production number is the model year.

thus it may be likley that the 4XXXXX series is the 2000 series, the 5XXXXX is the 2002.5, and the 1XXXXX is the 2003. The XXXXX is your hypothetical "production number" for that specific years model run, if this is how they are numbered.

i would like to explain why the 2002 model is such a high number, and i can only guess is that the protege dx, es, and lx were 1, 2 and 3, while in 2003 they classified the p5 as a separate model apart from the protege sedan.

so if i were 548001 i would be the 48001 car produced in that model run.

this is purely speculation, but im quite sure your math (in the first post) is very flawed, and this at least makes much more sense

[flat_black]

Welp, I can safely assume that the VIN's are randomized, now; I bought the first P5 to hit the lots over here in NH, yet I have a rather high VIN... uclap5's theory would be a little off, too, as I have a 2002, no funky '02.5 features, yet mine starts in the 5XXXXX range. Who knows what they did!

[cbcbd]

Originally posted by uclap5
"02 Protege5
From VIN JM1BJ24**2*440775 to JM1BJ24**2*551281, go to STEP 3
From VIN JM1BJ24**2*551282 to JM1BJ24**2*641000, go to STEP 4

03 Protege / 03 Protege5
From VIN JM1BJ2***3*100001 to JM1BJ2***3*143365, go to STEP 4"

according to some miata vin places the first digit of the production number is the model year.

thus it may be likley that the 4XXXXX series is the 2000 series, the 5XXXXX is the 2002.5, and the 1XXXXX is the 2003. The XXXXX is your hypothetical "production number" for that specific years model run, if this is how they are numbered.

i would like to explain why the 2002 model is such a high number, and i can only guess is that the protege dx, es, and lx were 1, 2 and 3, while in 2003 they classified the p5 as a separate model apart from the protege sedan.

so if i were 548001 i would be the 48001 car produced in that model run.

this is purely speculation, but im quite sure your math (in the first post) is very flawed, and this at least makes much more sense
To answer this:

Check TheMAN's FAQ, it shows you how to read the VIN

go to:
http://web2.airmail.net/theman/protegefaq/
click on "model info", it's the first thing there

it states:
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Series numbers:
3rd generations: 100001-400000: 1999-2000 models
400001-600000: 2001-2002 models

Series & Car # (rolls to 100001 every new generation)
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Now, I started saying that there's no real way to check '03s #s because they pool them together with Proteges. But since they mention all the '02 Protege5s especifically having a range of 440775 - 641000 I would assume that those were ALL the '02 Protege5s produced, doesn't that make sense? If the numbers are in order of production then I think 02 P5s could get their order correctly from the VIN. Sorry 03s :p

If the numbers are truly randomized then finding your actual order of production with the VIN wouldn't work - although I wouldn't see why they would print out VINs in order and then randomly put them on cars - doesn't seem to make sense that they would go out of their way to disorganize record keeping.

This is all a "theory", so I'm just looking for other people's insight on this to see if it would make sense.

[cbcbd]

Originally posted by flat_black
Welp, I can safely assume that the VIN's are randomized, now; I bought the first P5 to hit the lots over here in NH, yet I have a rather high VIN... uclap5's theory would be a little off, too, as I have a 2002, no funky '02.5 features, yet mine starts in the 5XXXXX range. Who knows what they did!
I don't think you can make that assumption, just like I can't make mine.

But, that said, you can't say that just because your P5 was one of the first in NH that it was one of the first in NA. They could've started distributing them starting on the west coast for all we know, and finish in NH. If you have one in the 5XXXXX range it could still put you in the middle or end of the production of 2002s, assuming that half were 02s and the other were 02.5s.

The range is 440775 - 641000, so you could very well still be an 02 if 02.5s were only made halfway through that.

[flat_black]

Oh, we definitly got them last, for sure. 'Cept maybe Maine. Just seems that the number's pretty high, to me, but who knows. Ahh, well. =)

[NRRfrogmanP5]

that would be cool to find out a number

[NRRfrogmanP5]

that would be cool to find out a number

[cbcbd]

that would be cool to find out a number

[RAAZ227]

that would be cool to find out a number



double posters! :p

[anarchistchiken]

Also, why does everyone bash on Honda's? Oh wait it's cause they drive by you when your car is broken down on the side of the road. Sorry but I am starting to get upset about all the negatives towards a very good car.
HAHAHAHA! Just because a car is reliable doesnt make it a good car. I personally hate hondas because many people give them a bad rep by making them ugly and many companies support that. But thats not all! They're engines make shitty torque, and I LOVE torque!!! and the third main reason I dont like Hondas? Everyone and their mother, brother, daughter, sister, son, dad, and dog own one. It would drive me insane to have to figure out which car is mine every time I walk out of a store or movie or MY HOUSE! Hondas=(loser)

[akhilleus]

I have an early 2k2 also. Got mine in oct 01' I wonder if there are factory prefix ids with the production # embedded, definately back from the grave :D

[alexlitov]

nonsence!!

[zoomP5ATL]

My number is: number 1.

[Red Zeppelin]

Not sure about all of this but it would be cool to be able to say you have a lower number. Also, why does everyone bash on Honda's? Oh wait it's cause they drive by you when your car is broken down on the side of the road. Sorry but I am starting to get upset about all the negatives towards a very good car. Anyway, there has to be a way to tell what number your car is thats easier than this. There must be a way to know how many we produced.
Hey---I see you're from D.M. Come on over to Omaha/ Council Bluffs for the meet Saturday!!! CHeck out the Iowa or Nebraska section for info.