Anyone interested in an exhaust like this?

[InsidiousMSP]

Just gauging interest. The exhaust is 3" from the downpipe, no cats, your choice of muffler (I recommend the HKS carbon-ti :)), full 304 stainless steel (not pictured). Incredibly clean, deep exhaust note.

$739 - Full 3" exhaust (no cats) from the downpipe w/ N1 style muffler
Option: +$50 for HKS replica muffler (carbon fiber/titanium)
Option: +$200 for real HKS Carbon-Titanium Muffler
Option: +$100 for Highflow Cat

+Shipping

Check Page 6 for Muffler Options!

Audio files:
Billet Design Motorsports 3" Exhaust (Outside) (http://www.turbodreamsdvd.com/msp/billet_design_msp_exhaust1.aif)
Billet Design Motorsports 3" Exhaust (Inside Car) (http://www.turbodreamsdvd.com/msp/billet_design_msp_exhaust2.aif)

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/InsidiousMSP/hks.jpg

(sorry, my website is down, the other pictures will be up again soon!)

[NeverSober]

Looks good. How much? I would be interested in it.


Chris

[mazdaowner123]

I'd be interested depending on gains etc. Are there any clearance issues? Terry from spool told me the reason they didn't go with 3" was because there was no way to do it without having any serious issues with clearance.


~brian

[Black Majik MSP]

You know I've been waiting for this for months! :p

[AutoBox]

hmm i dont notice any clearance issues with that exhuast or anything with the routing of a possible 3in exhuast, maybe he was talkin about the turbo elbow part?? the one before the dp starts...there ull have to get a step up type elbow so u can meet the possible dp at 3in.....


whats the price gonna be ??

[joka1]

i have a 3" catback now for a month and there is no rubbing or scraping just to let everybody know.

[ZImZimaUSA]

what are the horsepower gains is it a cat back ???
sorry dont know a lot about exhausts

[joka1]

no he said it gets rid of both of the cats and starts at your downpipe!

[Concept MSP]

I am interested. Any ideas on pricing?

[AutoBox]

lol a mid-pipe or dp can be confusing, im assuming this system starts at the turbo elbow or "mid pipe" and replaces the stock catback and stock "down-pipe" which has the two cats......double checkin that this is correct.....

[boostisgood]

PEople, the HP gains will vary, from car to car. For several reasons.

1. location-the air temp, and elevation will cause variances with the gains.
2.mods-if you have a totally stock car, and add this exhauyst, you will see minimal gains. with a boost controller, and intake, you will see a higher gain.


hope that helps. :D

[Black Majik MSP]

I just realized something...does anyone even sell a 3" downpipe?

[joka1]

i have one for my car. just not installed yet and that is why i went with a 3" catback.

[Black Majik MSP]

Are you talking about a header or is your ES turboed? :confused:

[joka1]

turbo, just like the downpipe, sitting in my computer room until wednesday. i just got done painting all the pipes to match my color scheme and i installed my intercooler last week so on wed i can just hook up all the pipes and turbo(then wire in the piggy back) and be ready for the show on friday

[Black Majik MSP]

WOW, I know there are several boosted MP3s & P5s, but I didn't know of anyone with a boosted sedan.

Where did you get the downpipe then? All I know of are Protosport, Apex, & iON, but I thought they were all 2.XX.

[joka1]

it came with my turbo.... all the pipes where fabricated there... guess mine just came with a downpipe also

[InsidiousMSP]

This product bolts up to the stock downpipe (not the elbow off the turbo). You can't fit a pipe on that elbow bigger than ~2.25" because of the bolt studs. Any 3" downpipe you see for sale that bolts up to that elbow has a ~3/4" flare. Replacing the downpipe itself will yield minimal gains.

[AutoBox]

yeh, im talkin with a fabricator to get a larger elbow made up to work with a 3in dp......i would think replacing the stock dp would offer alot of gain, since the two cats are on it.....

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by AutoBox
yeh, im talkin with a fabricator to get a larger elbow made up to work with a 3in dp......i would think replacing the stock dp would offer alot of gain, since the two cats are on it.....

In stock form, the cat assembly is seperate from the downpipe. However, fabricators usually combine the two as one piece.

[Black Majik MSP]

just for reference...

http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/081203-DELETE14.jpg

stock vs. aftermarket (not sure which one)

[BremertonMSP]

I'm interested, but it depends on the price. Also, the sound is important to me, I don't want my car to sound like a ricer.

It will work with the Protosport DP right?

[joka1]

BremertonMSP
just wondering why you dont post in the wa section at all or show up at any of our meets???? it would be nice to have another msp there!!!

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by joka1
BremertonMSP
just wondering why you dont post in the wa section at all or show up at any of our meets???? it would be nice to have another msp there!!!

LOL!! It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I have a hard enough time getting over to the "performance" section to see what's going on over there.

Yeah, I'd like to get to a meet one of these days. With work, the holidays, and my g/f and kids, it's a bit hard to get away sometimes. I'd really like to check out your ride though, looks like it's pretty nice.

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
I'm interested, but it depends on the price. Also, the sound is important to me, I don't want my car to sound like a ricer.

It will work with the Protosport DP right?

I will try to get some videos up tonight. It sounds very sweet. :)

But no, this will not work with the Protosport DP.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by InsidiousMSP
I will try to get some videos up tonight. It sounds very sweet. :)

But no, this will not work with the Protosport DP.

Damn, oh well, I'd still like to hear what it sounds like.

Thanks

[Rush]

Wow. Talk about timing.

But of course, I'm a bit confused -- and if I repeat anyone else's questions that were worded in a different form, my bad. I'm still learnin' over here.

So this is supposed to be a downpipe-back system, correct? It's supposed to hook to your stock downpipe and yay, good to go.

Now here is where I ask my stupid questions.

Our stock downpipe has two cats, does it not? .. I have yet to crawl around under my MSP and look -- frickin' snow won't STOP -- but I believe that's correct. And so, if this exhaust supposedly hooks right up to our stock downpipe -- which I'm assuming has the two cats, mm-hmm -- where the hell did the two cats go in those pictures of this exhaust?

Or do you have an aftermarket downpipe on your MSP, Insidious? And I missed that somewhere, maybe -- and that's why I'm not seeing the two cats?

And if it's 'recommended' that one buys an aftermarket downpipe for this exhaust -- because yes, those two cats are evil and eat power -- what available downpipes DO work with this exhaust?

.. So, yeah. The cats are a bit of a concern for me as I have to worry about passing frickin' emissions. :mad: Damn things.

And of course, like everyone else has been sayin' -- videos and sound clips and a price, please! :D

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by GaBerry67MS035
where the hell did the two cats go in those pictures of this exhaust?

Maybe this will help. Stock exhaust is pictured on the bottom.

http://www.turbodreamsdvd.com/msp/example.jpg

This exhaust system I have starts from the 2-bolt flange on the downpipe (seperate from the cat assembly).

[AutoBox]

thanks insidiousmsp that cleared up everything for me.....basically all thats left is that lil "dp" and the elbow to the turbo right? not bad if its priced right, im on board, although many places charge 600 for just a cat back so i may end up still gettin mine custom made, but post prices asap :) thanks again

[Rush]

Aha! It all makes sense now! :D

I'd definitely be interested in something like this -- depending on pricing and whatnot, though. Same story as most everyone else.

Thanks again for the clarification!

Edit: Is that the actual exhaust in that comparison image? And if so -- is that a single cat I see? That'd actually be a good thing is it was .. cause, yeah, like I said .. I have emissions t'worry about. :(

[Black Majik MSP]

The only ? that hasn't been answered is where do we get an elbow that will mate up with the "extended cat-back" that you have?

[CHICO2003]

How many times do we have to ask for the price???? LOL I mean... GEEZ!!! Let's go already!!! hit us with it so we can make a decision... looks freakin AWESOME!! but... as everyone else has said... depends on the price!

[mazdaowner123]

My main question is what are our options for aftermarket downpipes? Looks like a great product, time to start saving.

~brian

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by GaBerry67MS035
Edit: Is that the actual exhaust in that comparison image? And if so -- is that a single cat I see? That'd actually be a good thing is it was .. cause, yeah, like I said .. I have emissions t'worry about. :(

No, I'm not sure where that picture came from or what downpipe it is. The Billet Design system has no cats. Even if there were a high-flow cat, you wouldn't pass emissions.


Originally posted by Black Majik MSP
The only ? that hasn't been answered is where do we get an elbow that will mate up with the "extended cat-back" that you have?

It's actually a "downpipe-back" system. There are no cats. :) In the future, Billet Design may make a 3" downpipe that includes the s-shaped elbow.

As for the price, like I said, I posted this to gauge interest. Seems like there is some, so I will get back to you guys soon with a number.

[Black Majik MSP]

OK, that works for me. Other than a price, I'd just like to see some under-the-car pictures of where the exhaust starts so I can better understand this downpipe-back.

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by Black Majik MSP
OK, that works for me. Other than a price, I'd just like to see some under-the-car pictures of where the exhaust starts so I can better understand this downpipe-back.

Here's the best picture I have right now.

http://www.turbodreamsdvd.com/msp/dp.jpg

[InsidiousMSP]

Couple of things I forgot to add. The exhaust will be full 304 stainless steel. Mine is mostly painted mild steel. The production exhaust will look much nicer. :) It also comes with a MIL eliminator (have had mine on for over 500 miles now, no CEL).

[Black Majik MSP]

That pic helps a lot! Looks like the remaining elbow is a really small part.

Full 304 SS, v-band couplings, & included MIL...sounds good so far. :D

[MP3skaterNC]

Any idea on price? Or am i blind and just missed it somewhere in the thread.

[JD32883]

im now even more interested like to know the price though

[AutoBox]

judging the small market of exhuiasts for the msp and the nice craftmanship plus the longer piping compared to normal cat-bakcs being sold for our cars i would guess around 800-900??? i dont work for billet design or anything im just gaugein off the market we have and the materials used......

[WildWolf]

I love the exhuast... I want one for my car now LOL

[SpecialK]

I want one. Let me know when there is more info on production, I'll be first in line. Looks damn sexy.

[chino]

I am interested for sure. Just swap it with stock when Inspection rolls around.

[02.5 P5]

would it be offered with a high flow cat option?

[Ljspeed]

Ohhhh yess im interested! So how wide is the tip on that HKS? 4 inches?

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by Ljspeed
Ohhhh yess im interested! So how wide is the tip on that HKS? 4 inches?

4.75"


Originally posted by 02.5 P5
would it be offered with a high flow cat option?

Yes that can be an option.

Price will be posted w/ options this afternoon.

[DiscreetSpeed]

love the muffler man.

[Rush]

Woo! Hi-flow cat as an option would be FANTASTIC.

And Insidious -- will you personally be selling the HKS muffler, or will we have to look elsewhere for it to hook up to your exhaust system? And if we DO have to get it from someone else, any recommendations on a seller/dealer, and d'you remember what you paid for yours?

Can't wait to hear the prices on everything. I think. :D

[WildWolf]

Okay, who exactly is selling the exhaust?

[evilmonkeyMSP]

InsidiousMSP, should we even try to get excited about this? You did the same thing w/ the SRI and nothing has come of it thus far. So what are we to think? That we will all want this exhaust & then be left in the dark about it like w/ the SRI?

[twiztedjeckel]

Originally posted by conekiller
Terry from spool told me the reason they didn't go with 3" was because there was no way to do it without having any serious issues with clearance.


~brian

yup, and we all know where he's standing right now

[AutoBox]

very true, que pasa? insidious.....why ask billet to take on more projects if they cant even market a damn sri for us?!?!

[WildWolf]

I'm excited about it, but not going to hold my breath.... and what about the sri?

[InsidiousMSP]

Billet Design is still contemplating the short-ram intake sale. I will have more info on that soon. But for now, we're very serious about the 3" exhaust system. I have prices for you guys:

$739 - Full 3" exhaust (no cats) from the downpipe w/ N1 style muffler
Option: +$50 for HKS replica muffler (carbon fiber/titanium)
Option: +$200 for real HKS Carbon-Titanium Muffler
Option: +$100 for Highflow Cat

+Shipping

I will have pictures of these other mufflers later, just wanted to post the prices. More info very soon! I'll be posting a little audio file of my car in a few minutes.

[CHICO2003]

Ok, this is a great deal! (Assuming it's as good as you say) First question is... where would this thing be shipping from? Second, I'll be sending you cash cuz if the wife sees this on the CC bill she'll kick my ass!!

"Hun... your muffler thingy looks different!" - nah... that's how it came!

"wow... is there something wrong with your muffler... it seems really loud!" - hmm... I'll have to take it into meinekie and have them take a look (note to self, turn radio on BEFORE starting car with wifey inside next time!)

[InsidiousMSP]

Here are a couple of quick sound files. More to come.

Billet Design Motorsports 3" Exhaust (Outside) (http://www.turbodreamsdvd.com/msp/billet_design_msp_exhaust1.aif)
Billet Design Motorsports 3" Exhaust (Inside Car) (http://www.turbodreamsdvd.com/msp/billet_design_msp_exhaust2.aif)

That was with the HKS Carbon-Titanium muffler.

CHICO2003, :D the exhaust will be shipped from Florida.

[servoeyes]

Shoot...if I had a job, Man...if I had a job. That's sound's almost good enough to take off my MSP muffler, which I REALLY love.

[WildWolf]

up those links you sent for the pics of the exhaust were no pics of an exhaust....

[Rush]

.. OooOoOooOooh. :eek:

I'd love more info on the pricing with the hi-flow cat, as soon as you get get it, Insidious. But, then again .. if you don't believe the hi-flow cat would allow me to pass emissions, I guess it doesn't really matter, does it? Heh.

Or maybe, considering that you have the v-band couplings instead of the annoying flanges .. would that cut down on uninstall/install time, probably? If so, I guess I could always cheat and just throw the stock exhaust back on when it came to emissions time. Maybe. Overall, though, I'd rather just drop the money on an exhaust that I can keep on there without having to rip it off once a year.

And is that price you quoted subject to change? .. I don't exactly have that much $$$ on me right now -- I'm a poor college student, blech -- so it'd take some time for me t'gather it up. Basically, if I ask you about this exhaust a few months down the line -- is it still going to be available, and is the price going to remain the same?

[Aaron]

holly crap that thing sound so freakin awesome!!!!!!!!

[WildWolf]

now is this exhuast going to make my car sound like a damn civic leaf blower?

[AutoBox]

dl the sound clips he posted man...it sounds nice....any turbo car has a deep tone, the turbo mufflers alot of the otherwise loud exhuast....

[WildWolf]

Nice.... well I don't have speakers on my computer at work

[WildWolf]

Hey, I just remembered that another company makes an exhuast for the car too...the link is
http://www.apexr1.com/apexmspsection.html

[JD32883]

Im def interested. Anyone know who to talk to about purchasing this exhaust system. Who to call, what their website is, and how long its gonna take till i can order one. Thanks

[JD32883]

Im def interested. Anyone know who to talk to about purchasing this exhaust system. Who to call, what their website is, and how long its gonna take till i can order one. Thanks

[Striker187]

sounds pretty cool...prolly the closest sounding one to mine :D. do you think you could get some longer recordings/vids and more pics?

[InsidiousMSP]

GaBerry, high-flow cat will be $100 extra. Also, Billet Design has decided to use stainless steel flanges instead of the v-bands, which are much more expensive. If you want them, it can be an option though.

JD32883, I need a list of 5 serious buyers for the first run, who would like their exhausts within the next few weeks. Once everyone's deposit has been received, there will be a 1-2 week turnaround from payment received to shipment.

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Also, the website is www.billetdesign.com if you want to see more of Billet's work.

[Pirana]

Is that a HKS BOV venting to the atmosphere. If it is are you having any idle problems? Also need some pics of the engine bay :D

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by Pirana
Is that a HKS BOV venting to the atmosphere. If it is are you having any idle problems? Also need some pics of the engine bay :D

Nope, that's the stock BPV. :)

[JD32883]

Flat out InsidiousMSP how much are we going to have to come up with for the exhaust system. Thanks.

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by InsidiousMSP
$739 - Full 3" exhaust (no cats) from the downpipe w/ N1 style muffler
Option: +$50 for HKS replica muffler (carbon fiber/titanium)
Option: +$200 for real HKS Carbon-Titanium Muffler
Option: +$100 for Highflow Cat

+Shipping

[JD32883]

So InsidiousMSP it doesnt include the downpipe then is this correct. So its a strait pipe without cat starting at the end of the downpipe correct? Thanks

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by JD32883
So InsidiousMSP it doesnt include the downpipe then is this correct. So its a strait pipe without cat starting at the end of the downpipe correct? Thanks

You got it.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/InsidiousMSP/dp.jpg

[InsidiousMSP]

Pictures of the mufflers:

N1 style w/ removable silencer (this is what comes with the exhaust for $739):
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/InsidiousMSP/n1b.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/InsidiousMSP/n1a.jpg
(shown w/ silencer in)

HKS replica (carbon fiber canister / titanium tip) w/ silencer ($739 + $50)
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/InsidiousMSP/carbonb.jpg

Real HKS Carbon-Titanium ($739 + $200)
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/InsidiousMSP/hks.jpg

[Rush]

And once again, I'm going t'ask retarded questions.

Insidious -- or anyone that knows, really -- would you mind just giving me a quick blurb about how each of those different mufflers essentially effects the exhaust sytem? Why does the HKS cost so much more than the N1 style and the Hiper style? Is it just the fact that they're made out of different materials? .. Again, pardon my inexperience, but I'd like to learn!

Edit: Oh, forgot to ask. Any info on whether or not the hi-flow cat would allow the exhaust to pass emissions, Insidious?

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by GaBerry67MS035
And once again, I'm going t'ask retarded questions.

Insidious -- or anyone that knows, really -- would you mind just giving me a quick blurb about how each of those different mufflers essentially effects the exhaust sytem? Why does the HKS cost so much more than the N1 style and the Hiper style? Is it just the fact that they're made out of different materials? .. Again, pardon my inexperience, but I'd like to learn!

Edit: Oh, forgot to ask. Any info on whether or not the hi-flow cat would allow the exhaust to pass emissions, Insidious?

The mufflers are basically the same. All are 3" inlet. All will have the same performance & probably the same sound. You're basically paying for the HKS name with the "real" carbon-Ti. I think it looks the best though. Both the replica & HKS have real carbon fiber shells & real titanium tips, but you actually get a removable silencer with the cheaper carbon-ti replica.

As for the highflow cat, I doubt you will pass emissions. However, the car will be quieter and smell less like fuel. :)

[Black Majik MSP]

Originally posted by GaBerry67MS035
Edit: Oh, forgot to ask. Any info on whether or not the hi-flow cat would allow the exhaust to pass emissions, Insidious?


Originally posted by InsidiousMSP
Even if there were a high-flow cat, you wouldn't pass emissions.

Your ?s aren't retarded...everyone has to learn sometime & none of us know EVERYTHING anyway. (thumb)

[mazdaowner123]

I'm a little confused. What's the difference between the "real" and the "replica"? Thanks.


~brian

[CHICO2003]

Originally posted by Black Majik MSP
Your ?s aren't retarded...everyone has to learn sometime & none of us know EVERYTHING anyway. (thumb)

I like your attitude!

[AutoBox]

are u only offering melon shooter cans??or can u have it with any universal muffler?!?

[CHICO2003]

yeah, I was curious about that myself... that first pic looks weird!! the others look MUCH better. infact.. I'd be a bit embarrased to have an exhaust like the first one... I believe AutoBox was refering to it as a melon shooter. never saw that before but it looks wack!

[AutoBox]

melon shooters are canister style mufflers, which all three are...would u consider makin a oval style muffler like magnaflow ??? if not im just ognna go with my orignial custom exhuast plans........

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by AutoBox
melon shooters are canister style mufflers, which all three are...would u consider makin a oval style muffler like magnaflow ??? if not im just ognna go with my orignial custom exhuast plans........

If you want to provide your own muffler (MUST have a 3" inlet), we may be able to work something out. PM me if you are interested.

CHICO2003: The first picture of the N1 style muffler is with the removable silencer in.

[pluto316]

I want that HKS package.. I just need money.

[02.5 P5]

what muffler are the sound clips taken with?

how much would it be to buy the piping without the muffler?

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by 02.5 P5
what muffler are the sound clips taken with?

how much would it be to buy the piping without the muffler?

HKS Carbon-Ti.

$695 w/out muffler.

[CHICO2003]

oh ok!! my bad... so anyway... where are they things shipping from??

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by CHICO2003
oh ok!! my bad... so anyway... where are they things shipping from??

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida

[BrianV]

Videos are down, repost?

[02.5 P5]

are there going to be any before and after dyno runs?

is there going to be a production of a down-pipe/s-pipe in the future?

thanks,
erick

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by 02.5 P5
are there going to be any before and after dyno runs?

is there going to be a production of a down-pipe/s-pipe in the future?

thanks,
erick

No before & after, but I will be dynoing my car next month (hopefully) to do tuning when I get the e-manage on.

Yes, there's a possibility of a downpipe/s-pipe combo. In it's current forum though, honestly I think it's fine.

[02.5 P5]

do you have any ball park idea about gains with this exhaust?

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by 02.5 P5
do you have any ball park idea about gains with this exhaust?

No idea on numbers. But for comparison, my car is just as fast now with the exhaust at only 6.5psi, as it was without the exhaust at 12psi (based on runs with friends). You can see what my 1/4 mile was without the exhaust in my sig. Can't wait to see how it does at 10psi (sold my FCD, thought I would have the e-manage by now (hand))

[02.5 P5]

any break in price for the first five people that get in on this?

[02.5 P5]

also, this price is for SS, right?

[Black Majik MSP]

It's all SS & I doubt there will be a price break because this is already a great price. The HKS Carbon Ti muffler alone usually sells for hundreds of $s.

[02.5 P5]

yeah, but it never hurts to ask, right....

[Rush]

.. Is there a 'deadline', so to speak, on when the first five people have to commit by? I'm really interested in this, but I seriously doubt I'll have $800 together within the next month or so with the Holidays bashing on my budget.

Just thought I'd ask.

[Black Majik MSP]

(jacked)

02.5 P5: Berry already knows, but can you please read my thread & hers about sigs...

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?threadid=40633

http://www.protegemp3.com/vbb230/showthread.php?threadid=43202

[JD32883]

Im def interested i can have the money together first week after christmas. Just got couple questions does the apex dp fit with this exhaust. Also how long will it be after purchasing the exhaust will it take to ship them out. Thanks

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by JD32883
Im def interested i can have the money together first week after christmas. Just got couple questions does the apex dp fit with this exhaust. Also how long will it be after purchasing the exhaust will it take to ship them out. Thanks

No current aftermarket downpipe will fit this exhaust.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/InsidiousMSP/example.jpg

Again, the stock downpipe is very small. Our system bolts up to the 2-bolt flange.

[instylz]

I'm interested in this is there a way to do away with the muffler completly and just go with a nice Tip? Also how much would shipping be (est) to 08817? Also would the Kartboy Exhaust hangers work ok with your exhaust system? And lastly when are you accepting deposits and what is the amount? Feel free to pm me if necessary.

Thanks

[JD32883]

Does this exhaust throw a CEL?

[instylz]

No it comes with an eliminator. :)

[MP3skaterNC]

What if I send you my own canister? How much would the price drop?

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by MP3skaterNC
What if I send you my own canister? How much would the price drop?

Please PM me with the type of canister and any measurements you have.

[JD32883]

Yup def come to conclusion i want one. I want one with the carbon muffler. The real one so what will be the price after tax and everything. Also i can have the money together week after Christmas what will be the waiting time for this, and who do I contact when i want to order this. Appreciate it Insidious thanks.

[pluto316]

Damn, thank for your bumping this! I was looking for this thread FOR AGES last night. I am ordering one too, hopefully this spring... I NEED TO TURN TO A LIFE OF CRIME OR SOMETHING.

[DaKidd]

How about some pix of the WHOLE underside of the car w/ the exhaust. Esp. where it connects to the DP. I have looked through this whole thread and not many of the pix that u have posted so far are working for me, neither are ur sound clips, but I got those in another thread and they sound great! I would like to see some more pix!!! what size is the inside diameter of the stock DP that connects to the "S" pipe? Trying to decide on ur exhaust, or a Apex DP @ 3" connected to the "S" pipe... 1 more question, what is the wait time for ur exhaust if I was to order this week? Thanx...