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boostisgood
12-06-2003, 10:07 PM
I got this while at SEMA. MAzdaspeed was there, and had an MS Miata there, along with this flyer. Enjoy, and tell me if you would pay 25-27k for this car. :D
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Geo212
12-06-2003, 10:19 PM
Of course, that is to fun of a car not to buy. I constantly picture my Miata with a little more of everything performance wise and the MSM just seems to deliver it in every way without going overboard. Although I hope it sets some handling benchmarks like the MSP.
ZoomZoomH
12-07-2003, 01:06 AM
you know for maybe 2k more you can get the RX-8......
Mazda priced it just right, most expensive Miata ever, yet still below a RX-8
Darin
12-08-2003, 08:22 PM
Also - spend $10k? Less and get a regular miata and a FlyinMiata turbo system...
blow the doors off that MS Miata. :D
Esteban Toledo
12-08-2003, 08:47 PM
There's no way in hell I'd pay 25-27k, for that car.
Emode
12-08-2003, 08:51 PM
i like how theyre giving more stock power out of an engine with less displacement than ours
BlueWolfCry
12-08-2003, 08:51 PM
i'd tap that if i had the cash
night rider
12-08-2003, 08:54 PM
in a heart beat.
redwagon02
12-08-2003, 08:55 PM
Why not, my 10AE was $28K in '99.:(
chino
12-08-2003, 08:59 PM
Very cool. No roll bar though that would be nice. I think it will do well if Mazda markets it right. I think we (protege owners for the most part) scoff at the price but all things considered I don't think that a terrible price range. I think Miata enthusiasts will agree.
ME WANTEE NOWWWWWWW !!! :'( i'd even trade in my MSP for it....i don't care if it's only a 2-seater ! to me it's still "practical" ! HEheeEhehEHEhEeE
MarkSpark
12-08-2003, 11:47 PM
welcome to sickville, population miata [end sarcasm]
KpaBap
12-09-2003, 01:19 PM
Gotta love those BP motors.
Will Mazda ever move on? :D
scott42
12-09-2003, 01:44 PM
nope. But I'd want to teach whoever wrote that ad some Engish. :D Most of those periods should be commas...:rolleyes:
I understand writing ads is different, but that is just rediculous.
vodapas77
12-09-2003, 01:56 PM
I have never understood why car companies do this. The "MazdaSpeed MX-5 Miata." Why is MX-5 in there? Yes we know that is the car it is based off of, but the mods have made it a higher end model. Chevy did the same thing with the Camaro Z28 SS. Do they think the length of a car's name makes it more impressive? Do I really drive a MazdaSpeed Protege ES? I know this is kind of trifling, but I just think it's silly. I know we'll all be calling it the MSM, so I guess that's all that really matters.
As for the price, I think it's fair and it won't really scare too many buyers away. Personally, I think if I had that kind of money to drop I would be picking up one of the remaining P5s and moding the hell out of it with the money I save. But we all find happiness in different cars and I look forward to hearing about the car from the guys that pick it up.
Autox MSP
12-09-2003, 02:05 PM
for close to 30, I'd take the S2000 over that anyday.
redwagon02
12-09-2003, 02:07 PM
miata = funnest car to drive eVar.
Originally posted by Autox MSP
for close to 30, I'd take the S2000 over that anyday.
let's compare: if u drop the same amount of money into the miata as the s2000, the miata will come out better. IMO at least...haha i'm just a miata lover...what can i say i'm biased
Keith@FP
12-09-2003, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by vodapas77
I have never understood why car companies do this. The "MazdaSpeed MX-5 Miata." Why is MX-5 in there?
All Miatas are "MX-5 Miatas". It's that simple. It's the name of the car. North America is the only market that tacks the "Miata" on the end. For most of the world it's simply an MX-5. For Japan, it's a Eunos Roadster.
This is the last gasp for the BP. Don't expect to see it in the next generation Miata when that appears in a year or two. But for a low-volume halo car that tries to give a little shine to an end-of-life model, there's no reason to go for a radical engine change.
Keith
:'( why, why, WHY !? the BP is going bye bye ? i hope they don't replace the engine with some Ford crap...
hmm i read on miata.net that they're gonna have another 1.6liter inline-4 called MRZ or something...in the ibuki, it's combined w/ a hybrid system for 180HP and 160lb./ft
redwagon02
12-10-2003, 10:41 AM
jflo, your a flip also? :D
vodapas77
12-10-2003, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Keith@FP
All Miatas are "MX-5 Miatas". It's that simple. It's the name of the car. North America is the only market that tacks the "Miata" on the end. For most of the world it's simply an MX-5. For Japan, it's a Eunos Roadster.
This is the last gasp for the BP. Don't expect to see it in the next generation Miata when that appears in a year or two. But for a low-volume halo car that tries to give a little shine to an end-of-life model, there's no reason to go for a radical engine change.
Keith
True enough. Point taken. MX-5 is inherit to the car's name. So, the thing I am wondering is with Mazda's attempt to start using the kind of Euro type naming (i.e. the 6 and the 3) will we see the Miata become the 5 or will they just wait until they come out with a redesign and change the name then? I would say it's likely, but then again there is the RX-8 and they wouldn't dare getting rid of the RX name. At least I hope they wouldn't.
Keith@FP
12-10-2003, 10:53 AM
Some of the scaremongers in the Miata community claim the Miata name is going away due to litigation with the Miyata bicycle manufacturer. We'll have to wait to see how true that is. I'd be surprised to see it as there's too much value in the Miata name for Mazda to drop it. They wanted people to forget the 626 and the Protege never got a stellar reputation for the normal models, so it's not surprising to see those names disappear.
The car's always been called the MX-5 Miata in North America. It's been in the brochures, on the websites and even on the badge on the back of the car. Mostly it's just Mazda that calls it that, which is why you noticed it on Mazda press releases. My new book is even called "Mazda Miata MX-5 Performance Projects" (yes, it's backwards, blame my publisher).
The BP is getting retired because it's an old design. There are better engines out there now. It doesn't make all that much power and in the latest guise it can't even swallow all that much boost. And the BP has been used in Fords for years.
Keith
vodapas77
12-10-2003, 11:16 AM
Oy, litigation. The Miata has been around since what? 88 or 89? The Miyata bicycle company is just now having a problem with it? Silly. Well they can call it the Eunos Roadster over here and I still love it.
Out of curiosity spawned by this convo. I went to go look at the current model lineup. To think that Mazda only makes 4 actual models that are classified as cars and Hondas just about the same. American companies make so many different models and then the monsters like GM have each individual branch making competing models in the exact same class and price range. Then they wonder why the Japanese models have stronger sales in those classes. Make one car, make it well and it's amazing what can happen. Oh and quit putting all your production capital in to 22 different types of sport utilities none of which are suited to go off road.
Sorry to thread jack and go off subject. Just early morning rambling going on in my head.
KpaBap
12-10-2003, 11:40 AM
Yeah, has anyone actually looked at the badging on their Miata?
The BP is a good motor but Mazda needs to get with the times and design something that can compete with Nissan and Honda.
The BP weighs around ~300-320 lbs whereas a Rover V8 weighs in at 320 lbs.
:wtf:
redwagon02
12-10-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by ZoomZoomH
Mazda priced it just right, most expensive Miata ever,
(no)
redwagon02
12-10-2003, 09:13 PM
Yeah, Mazda just moving along with their engines just like Honda did.
boostisgood
12-10-2003, 09:15 PM
Honestly, I would never pay that for this car. I have driven Miatas (modded ones also) and I was not that impressed. I, on the other hand, agree with the S2K comments. I would buy the S2K, and dump 4-5 grand in it, and have one hell of a better car then the MX-5 MSP Miata. IMHO, that is. :D
It is a nice looking car, and fun to drive, but it has outlived its design. This is Mazda's attempt, IMHO, to take the car out with a BANG. Just like they did, or attempted, with the MSP Pro. :D
redwagon02
12-10-2003, 09:24 PM
If it wasn't for the miata the s2000 wouldn't exist.(bow) just like the slk, z3, boxster, mrs, etc.
Originally posted by redwagon02
jflo, your a flip also? :D
yes i am "flip" but i prefer being called filipino. flip sounds a lil' degrading to me
redwagon02
12-11-2003, 03:09 PM
Sorry Chief:rolleyes:
CHICO2003
12-11-2003, 03:23 PM
I don't know guys... I think Miatas (like Z3s and Boxsters) are kind've girly... hope I'm not offending anyone here but... I'm reminded when Ralphe pointed out to some kid on the Sopranos that a Boxster is a Porsche in panties! I think the same goes for this thing... no matter how much hp they give it! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's fun to drive with the top down and all... definitely NO practicality... not even a little!! People who buy this car obviously have a lot of money since it's not going to be their daily driver... hense, they can probably afford a better car! Lastly... MSP has a nice ring to it... MSM sucks balls!!!
Keith@FP
12-11-2003, 03:55 PM
Never driven one then, have you? :) Top up or top down, they're very capable little cars. If your priorities are towards handling instead of impressing your neighbours, it's hard to beat without going to an Elise. The MSP just can't compete on that level.
Keith
KpaBap
12-11-2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by CHICO2003
I don't know guys... I think Miatas (like Z3s and Boxsters) are kind've girly... hope I'm not offending anyone here but... I'm reminded when Ralphe pointed out to some kid on the Sopranos that a Boxster is a Porsche in panties! I think the same goes for this thing... no matter how much hp they give it! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's fun to drive with the top down and all... definitely NO practicality... not even a little!! People who buy this car obviously have a lot of money since it's not going to be their daily driver... hense, they can probably afford a better car! Lastly... MSP has a nice ring to it... MSM sucks balls!!!
My Miata is my daily driver. I'm 18. I don't have a lot of money.
Do you even know what the Boxster is capable of?
Lastly... if I had the $20k+ to spend on a Miata like MSP owners spend on their FWD wonders, you can be sure as hell that it will be a hell of a lot faster than a hell of a lot of cars.
The MSP need not apply.
Darin
12-12-2003, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by CHICO2003
I don't know guys... I think Miatas (like Z3s and Boxsters) are kind've girly... hope I'm not offending anyone here but... I'm reminded when Ralphe pointed out to some kid on the Sopranos that a Boxster is a Porsche in panties! I think the same goes for this thing... no matter how much hp they give it! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's fun to drive with the top down and all... definitely NO practicality... not even a little!! People who buy this car obviously have a lot of money since it's not going to be their daily driver... hense, they can probably afford a better car! Lastly... MSP has a nice ring to it... MSM sucks balls!!!
It's like you have some homo-erotic issues - it's people who think like you are explaining who should probably go ahead and come out of the Closet.
chri3
12-15-2003, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by CHICO2003
I don't know guys... I think Miatas (like Z3s and Boxsters) are kind've girly... hope I'm not offending anyone here but... I'm reminded when Ralphe pointed out to some kid on the Sopranos that a Boxster is a Porsche in panties! I think the same goes for this thing... no matter how much hp they give it! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's fun to drive with the top down and all... definitely NO practicality... not even a little!! People who buy this car obviously have a lot of money since it's not going to be their daily driver... hense, they can probably afford a better car! Lastly... MSP has a nice ring to it... MSM sucks balls!!!
You, sir are an uninformed asshat who apparently needs a car that adds to his manlyhood, or lack thereof.
I have personally driven with subarus, evos, and many other cars of that nature, and lets just say their $30K beasts with plenty of mods were having a hard time, or were unable to keep up with my miata. My 1.6L engine is stock. If you have to worry about people thinking you're less of a man because of the car you drive...then you must not be able to drive well, cause it's not what you driive, but how you drive it.
you=ricer, homophobe, wangfully-challenged asshat:D
vodapas77
12-15-2003, 03:34 AM
Asshat? I like it. Can I use that or do you have the copyright?
Originally posted by CHICO2003
I don't know guys... I think Miatas (like Z3s and Boxsters) are kind've girly... hope I'm not offending anyone here but... I'm reminded when Ralphe pointed out to some kid on the Sopranos that a Boxster is a Porsche in panties! I think the same goes for this thing... no matter how much hp they give it! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's fun to drive with the top down and all... definitely NO practicality... not even a little!! People who buy this car obviously have a lot of money since it's not going to be their daily driver... hense, they can probably afford a better car! Lastly... MSP has a nice ring to it... MSM sucks balls!!!
what the smoke r u talking about ? i think u're the one that's kind've girly. if i got the MSM it WOULD be my daily driver. my old miata was my daily driver. people said it was a chic-car, but it was more of a chic-magnet. practicality ? may not be practical to a family of 4, but to a student without much of an income, then it is. it's cheap on gas and it looks good and is fun to drive. haha another variant of ass- : assclown !
Installshield 2
12-15-2003, 04:10 AM
The arguments about whether a Miata is girly or not is dumb overall...The only guys that get pissed about someone saying that are guys that own them...and they then try to justify the fact that they are male, and other people feel they drive a chick's car...
Face it, Miata's do not look agressive...They have cute front ends, mild fender flares with simple curves and skinny tires...Even modded I would not say they look mean or masculine...But they look purposeful and functional overall...They don't look like a terd on wheels, they just simply don't give an impretion of masculinity...in the slightest...
Now the comment about the Boxter being a Porsche with panties (from the supranos) sums it up exactly...IT IS...It is slower than any current porsche, it is around half the price of the 911, and it looks no where near as intimidating as a GT-2...I don't care about what it handles like, or what it is capable of...the interior is crap, and the materials in a TT are twice as more expensive looking and feeling...and the exterior of the Boxster just looks feminine to me...I never felt that way about an M roadster though, or even the Z3 2.8/3.0...
But none of this matters anyway...No one should give a shit if someone thinks their car is girly...It will outrun tons of cars in the turns, and has decent power for its weight...It does not drive "girly"...and that is what is important to me...
I wouldn't buy the MSM for practicality issues...I would save a few more grand and get a 4 door EVO and leave it at that...But I love miatas for their handling and RWD...I never was to fond of the styling, but that wouldn't keep me from owning one if I found a used one for a good price and already had a daily driver...
Installshield 2
12-15-2003, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by chri3
You, sir are an uninformed asshat who apparently needs a car that adds to his manlyhood, or lack thereof.
I have personally driven with subarus, evos, and many other cars of that nature, and lets just say their $30K beasts with plenty of mods were having a hard time, or were unable to keep up with my miata. My 1.6L engine is stock. If you have to worry about people thinking you're less of a man because of the car you drive...then you must not be able to drive well, cause it's not what you driive, but how you drive it.
you=ricer, homophobe, wangfully-challenged asshat:D
This is ridiculous...an EVO will have no trouble destroying a 91 stock miata on any front...besides the obvious acceleration shit, it will handle better, brake better and everything else unless your miata isn't stock...You may have him on insanely tight tracks that require extremely lightweight manuevers to get around...But on any public mountain road, the old adage of "power doesn't matter if you don't have handling"/"handling is more important than engine output" does not apply to this one...It very well does matter when the other guy has both...
You would be the one in no way keeping up with the EVO, and my guess is in any situation...
Suby's don't apply as much...they don't have the chassis/suspension power of the mitsu...so you may have given it to them, I don't know...
I do agree though that it would take a small set of nuts to not buy a car because you think it looks, and therefor makes you look girly...SUV drivers have the same problem...Tiny bitch men buy them and think they look tough...they don't...
it's not that it doesn't project masculinity, it's the fact that he's calling it girly. i knoe it's not the most aggressive looking car in the world, and i like that because u can always sneak up on people.
and the boxster...the rear kinda reminds me of a woman's legs and butt
KpaBap
12-15-2003, 04:29 AM
Miata owners would pretty much sum up the car in two words: "cute, go-kart"
Installshield 2
12-15-2003, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by jflo
it's not that it doesn't project masculinity, it's the fact that he's calling it girly. i knoe it's not the most aggressive looking car in the world, and i like that because u can always sneak up on people.
and the boxster...the rear kinda reminds me of a woman's legs and butt
Very good point...i never really looked at it that way...
To me, I always correlated aggressive styling with "manliness"...But I guess a beetle with huge fenders and big ass tires would still be chicky...
Either way I still like miatas...A lot of people don't, but they also never drove one...I don't love it because of the stlying, but because of the fun of driving it...
and with the Boxster: yeah man I agree...And not just the styling makes it a panty wearing porsche...it is everything about it...It falls short in every category of the "real" porsches, except maybe the Cayenne...To me it is in the same category as the original 924 and 944's years ago...They sucked for a while, but then Porsche gave the 944 chassis a hairy swingin' set of big balls with the 944 Turbo...which is an awesome car...But I never liked the Boxster, not even the S...Not the styling, not the engine, and not the whole package...I drove one a few years ago, and it did handle amazing...but not to make up for the fact that it feels and looks like a crap way to get a true exotic on a budget...there is no way to do that...So they can't do anything with it other than change the entire styling, give it a real roof, and a turbo option to get me to want one...
Installshield 2
12-15-2003, 04:59 AM
The above post probably contradicts itself a little...I like the miata because of how fun it is to drive...and the boxster is also fun to drive...But Mazda is not Porsche......I loved the 911 since forever, it was and is expensive and requires a driver that knows what the hell he is doing in order to pilot it safely and quickly...The boxster to me just seems like a knock off porsche built by a lesser company, and that Porsche overall is tying to appeal to a larger market...They are doing just that, with the return of a GT model, a smoother V-8 powered next gen 911, and there already released Cayenne...
I don't like how Porsche is turning into just another company that makes cars for every person that has a huge income...I like their old marketing...in which they were a small company that built hellish performance cars, sold them for a lot of money, and didn't worry about what every person was looking for...Back then it was "if you don't like the on paper horrible idea behind the 911's drivetrain location...buy something else"...Now it is turning into "If you don't like the 911, we have our panty waist boxster or if you have the kids with you...why not an SUV?"...
Sorry about the rant...returning to topic...Miatas are cool...
Originally posted by Installshield 2
To me it is in the same category as the original 924 and 944's years ago...They sucked for a while, but then Porsche gave the 944 chassis a hairy swingin' set of big balls with the 944 Turbo...which is an awesome car
HAHAHA hairy swingin' set of big balls. (rofl) (lol2)
i think my dad drove a 944 once 'cause my aunt was a used car dealer and she'd get the occassional porsche. it was okae, but whack. also a 914...the really small porsche with the thin side markers and profile. it was meh. i remember we had a 928 for a lil' bit while my dad's 911 turbo was in the shop. that was an okae car. the only reason y i liked it 'cause the headlights look cool to me. the champ of 'em all was that pimp 911 turbo...ahh i miss it.
pics of the car and me...hahahaha
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/jflo/dsc02936.jpg
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/jflo/dsc02937.jpg
^ eric estrada says, "you're a HOMO"
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/jflo/dsc02938.jpg
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/jflo/dsc02939.jpg
hahahahha
sorry for the bad pic quality...they're in a photo album. but yeah...miata's are sweet lil' cars...
Installshield 2
12-15-2003, 09:46 AM
Damn, what year turbo?...
My dad owned a few Porsche's when I was really little...before they got ridiculous expensive...He had a used 911, a used 928, a new 928, and then a new 911...through a period of about 4 years...I was only alive when he had the 911, which was an 83 Targa I believe...but he sold it before I was 4 years old (that was the one he kept the longest by far)...My uncle bought the new 928 off of him about 3 months after he got it...and my uncle still has it...
I like the 928's a lot, especially the S versions or newer...The V-8's are nuts...Not huge amounts of power like the Turbo's, but excellent response and awesome lowend torque...I hope to buy that old terd from my uncle after I am out of school...In almost 21 years it has only 22,000 miles on it, but it is still only worth like 6 grand...It would be fun to mod a little, but a flywheel for it is like 4,000 clams...so it probably won't get much attention unless I have a pot of cash to burn
Installshield 2
12-15-2003, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by jflo
HAHAHA hairy swingin' set of big balls. (rofl) (lol2)
i think my dad drove a 944 once 'cause my aunt was a used car dealer and she'd get the occassional porsche. it was okae, but whack. also a 914...the really small porsche with the thin side markers and profile. it was meh. i remember we had a 928 for a lil' bit while my dad's 911 turbo was in the shop. that was an okae car. the only reason y i liked it 'cause the headlights look cool to me. the champ of 'em all was that pimp 911 turbo...ahh i miss it.
oh yeah I forgot about the 914's...They are silly looking aren't they? They almost look the same from front to back, if you put the steering wheel backwards in the inside and reversed the seats you wouldn't even know anything was wrong from the outside...
I have seen a few of those things with 3.2L flat 6 930 powertrains in them...Something like 245bhp/266lb/ft of torque in a roughly 1800lb car, so it has some potential...but still goofy looking...
Also there was a guy on the Pclub that owned one, and was swapping something like a 993 aircooled twin turbo engine(911 turbo engine, but a little older than the newest models...400bhp/415lb/ft of torque)...so he said...I never saw pics, but he claimed he sourced a wrecked powertrain in serious need of repair for fairly cheap...maybe but he never finished it before the board's traffic bit it...
chri3
12-15-2003, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Installshield 2
This is ridiculous...an EVO will have no trouble destroying a 91 stock miata on any front...besides the obvious acceleration shit, it will handle better, brake better and everything else unless your miata isn't stock...You may have him on insanely tight tracks that require extremely lightweight manuevers to get around...But on any public mountain road, the old adage of "power doesn't matter if you don't have handling"/"handling is more important than engine output" does not apply to this one...It very well does matter when the other guy has both...
It's been more than one time that i've left an EVO in my dust...and yes, that was on a very twisty road. My suspension is also pretty good, but i have no engine mods yet. AWD+weight=understeer. It also has a lot to do with driver skill.
With cars like that you need to know how to throw the weight in order to actually go fast...if you haven't driven one you wouldn't know. In my Scooby outback sport i can pretty much walk all over other cars because i know how to do this. I'm guessing the evo is the same way...it'll understeer unless you actually play the weight. That's why when tested by pros they're so fast, but your average driver can't put those times down.
Installshield 2
12-16-2003, 12:04 AM
No the EVO is one of the most neutral handling AWD cars ever made, and is one of the easist cars for an inexperienced driver to move very quickly...it is very forgiving, the only thing initially you need to get used to is the quickness of the steering...However through the quick steering is what allows the amazing mid turn response...You can easily jump from oversteer to understeer to neutral without a chassis hiccup...With my experience driving one, if you power to hard out of a turn all four tires bust loose simultaneously resulting in a crazy glory slide...But like you mentioned most AWD cars tend to still understeer dominantly...WRX's do, but the EVO has that problem fixed...
Now to my credit you didn't include the part where I said if your miata was not stock...I didn't know what would happen in that case...
So a miata with some suspension upgrades very well could turn the tables on the right roads...if yours has suspension mods, then I am not arguing...If your miata is bone stock, I am arguing...
Keith@FP
12-16-2003, 10:55 AM
From personal experience, it's going to be extremely difficult for a Miata to match a stock EVO on numbers. Whether an AWD sedan can handle like a light RWD sports car is another matter, but handling is a difficult thing to quantify. It's more than simple grip.
Keith
Installshield 2
12-16-2003, 08:19 PM
Exactly...I am not commenting on which feels better to drive, or which is more responsive...that is difficult to pinpoint and can very through different drivers...
My argument was simply that a stock 91 miata would be very hard pressed to blow away an EVO on any public paved road...
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