Be proud Speed Bros and Girls!!!

[odawg]

I am upset at the people who just bought this car are pissed it's not whooping-up on the EVO's and WRX's. People, if you bought this car, didn't you think to research it before? 170 vs. 227, 276, and 300 HP figures? We have a big disadvatage in HP, but man do we make up for it in: Limited Production (2750), I've only seen two in Tampa. There are like six EVO's on my mil base. Don't even ask how many WRX's. you can't say that for EVO's and WRX's, Handling (Can you say- dang this thing is a handling beast!!!) and monthly payments. I just traded in a modded 2000 Ford Lightning, NOT because I heard this will keep up. But because I wanted a cheaper payment and insurance. I used to blow everyone away with that thing (a "limited 5000 per year" joke!) and now I find myself still having just as much fun in this. There way more competition now. Our cars may not be the fastest, but who can boast Callaway, Streetbeat, and all the huge list of aftermarket mods we have from the factory. I love EVO's and would love to have one one day. But man my monthly payment is to nice. Be proud, put some cash in your cars and mod them out. I want to tell a WRX he got beat by a front wheel drive 4dr protoge' one day. I'm not trying to start a war, but be proud

[FlannelBoy711]

How many WRX's?

[NoVaMSP]

the thing is ... STI = 30k EVO = 27k (give or take)
just slam xtra 8-12k$$ into the msp ...youll look better and drive faster then them. just my opinion if thats not good enuff for you
or if you have all the money in the bank , suck it up , eat your loss
and by a faster car to start with .
you can easily fix all the annoying things about the msp . cheap
and besides most of the people who got a msp allready planed on ripping it apart from the start.
try driving a shit box around for 10 years then see how ya like the msp (likemylastcar)

[MsPxZoOm]

i have to agree with you ODAWG, I love my car hella and we do see too much evo's and WRX's, its all over the place, i have only seen like 4 mazdaspeeds, i don't care how fast the mazdaspeed's are but it got handles! thats what matters too than just drag racing.

[EXA4DRIVER]

Don't forget about All Wheel Drive gentlemen :) MSP is a great car, but you can't compare it to the EVO or STi. Not even the regular WRX.

[BinaryRotary]

Originally posted by EXA4DRIVER
Don't forget about All Wheel Drive gentlemen :) MSP is a great car, but you can't compare it to the EVO or STi. Not even the regular WRX.

AWD = Pussy

[EXA4DRIVER]

Originally posted by BinaryRotary
AWD = Pussy

okey dokey

[FBI14]

LOL

[servoeyes]

AWD is great...but everyone sees it as a panacea. It is over-rated, plain and simple. I'm not saying that it's not good...but out of the box, the MSP out handles the WRX hands down, and is more on the level with the EVO and WRX. If you're only concerned with AWD for winter handling purposes, than you got an EVO or STi for the wrong reason. :D

[JunkPunch]

Originally posted by BinaryRotary
AWD = Pussy

Correct. Both things are excellent.

[NoVaMSP]

apples and oranges

[BremertonMSP]

I'm so proud, I'm just getting a big chubby!(yippy)

[Zray]

I'll admit the MSP has a much nicer look overall then the STI or EVO. Mod for mod however the MSP engine won't ever likely touch an EVO engine... unless someone knows how to get 600hp out of our little babies :/ But in the end, it doesn't matter anyway - I love my MSP for the daily commuter that it is, and that it's meant to be :D

[TigrMsP]

I wish i could see EVO's and STi's all over the place. I love EVO, I love MSP.

$$ for EVO > $$ for MSP

I bought MSP, and pretty darn happy with it.


Maybe one day I'll have enough to pay for an EVO and be able to drive around in my choice of either a MSP or an EVO and take pics of them side by side, but until then, I love my MSP. :)

[alexlitov]

this is like the 5th thread this week in regards of the above topic...

[FBI14]

We love our cars that much, you just wouldnt understand

[BinaryRotary]

Originally posted by JunkPunch
Correct. Both things are excellent.

One of them is highly over-rated, and its not part of the female anatomy.

RWD= Right Wheel Drive

[BinaryRotary]

AWD is like owning a cadillac, its nice till it depreciates 50 % when you take it off the show room floor.

[JunkPunch]

Why did Audi quattro get banned from BTCC and IMSA again? I can't remember.

[AutoBox]

and why are most gtr skylines converted to rwd in JGTC???? dont bring professional racing into it cus it depends on rules and regulations.....im speedvision gt the audi's used to murder...not anymore though.....F1 is all rwd and cart is rwd with no traction control...no can we get back to street commuter cars please???

like sated above evo and msp is comparing apples to oranges....for the money, the msp is a bargin....simple

[BinaryRotary]

Originally posted by JunkPunch
Why did Audi quattro get banned from BTCC and IMSA again? I can't remember.

Hmm, kinda like how the rotary got banned from Le Mans? I cant remember.

Buy an Audi please, this is a Mazda board.

[JunkPunch]

Because the rotary was so far superior. I guess that's your way of admitting the truth about AWD.

And I already had/have an Audi. Had a bunch of them. But I also have a Mazda. Is that OK?

[daperspeed]

A few things:

1. AWD loses much more power to the WHEELS...WHERE IT MATTERS than s FWD or RWD.
-->as a consequence I still say a stock unflashed MSP can easily stay with a WRX at high speed and a flashed MSP will pull on a WRX gradually....before attempting to flame remember the weight difference 2800 lbs v. 3100 lbs

2. This is a car that costs $13000 or so less than the cars its being compared to. Thats illogical..and yet in many ways the MSP is close to those cars..handling.....and has a "more" molestable interior :).

3. I just cant justify spending $30K on a Mitsubishi...


Thats all

:)

[BinaryRotary]

Originally posted by JunkPunch
Because the rotary was so far superior. I guess that's your way of admitting the truth about AWD.

And I already had/have an Audi. Had a bunch of them. But I also have a Mazda. Is that OK?

Just not a fan of AWD, lose too much driver feel.

[Zray]

Originally posted by daperspeed
3. I just cant justify spending $30K on a Mitsubishi...


Thats all

:) Good point. =)

[BinaryRotary]

Originally posted by Zray
Good point. =)

I second that. My bank wouldn't finance Mitsushity's, Kia's, Hyundai or Suzuki for a reason.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by BinaryRotary
Just not a fan of AWD, lose too much driver feel.

^^^^

Ironic how that statement is right on top of a picture of RX-7 going through the turn with the inside wheel off the ground. You must get more driver feel with three wheels then 4, driven or not.

Disclaimer: My response is from the humor aspect, not a flaming one.

BTW, go Audi Quattro!! Those where some bad ass cars back in the day.

[BinaryRotary]

Originally posted by BremertonMSP
^^^^

Ironic how that statement is right on top of a picture of RX-7 going through the turn with the inside wheel off the ground. You must get more driver feel with three wheels then 4, driven or not.

Disclaimer: My response is from the humor aspect, not a flaming one.

BTW, go Audi Quattro!! Those where some bad ass cars back in the day.

Thats called balance baby. BTW, thats me.

[03MSP]

Originally posted by daperspeed
A few things:

1. AWD loses much more power to the WHEELS...WHERE IT MATTERS than s FWD or RWD.
-->as a consequence I still say a stock unflashed MSP can easily stay with a WRX at high speed and a flashed MSP will pull on a WRX gradually....before attempting to flame remember the weight difference 2800 lbs v. 3100 lbs
:)

Ok, since no one said anything about this I am going to ask something. Do you honestly think that an MSP can hang with a WRX(not STi of course) on a highway run?

I'm not doubting, just wondering.

[AutoBox]

awd is not superior over rwd or fwd, it maybe in a certain aspect but you can say the same for a rwd or fwd car....its total bs that ppl think awd is so fuckin powerful cus its just more weight on to the car....i find it interestin that in a article in SCC about awd cars the audi quattro system is one of the worst....it may have been a beast back in the day.....

about about beatin a wrx on the highway, its possible, u figure a stock wrx only put about 180whp plus they weight more then a msp its a toss up.....

[BadBandar]

you guys seem to be forgetting something. The Wrx, when ive seen it, is more of a rally car. So i guess thats y it has awd. Dont get me wrong i bet it might run excellent on the road too. And ive seen many other rally cars with fwd and rwd.

But the hp of the protege will always be an issue. Cuz who doesnt love power? come on now. And comparing the Msp to other cars that are $15,000+ is alittle stupid. They are at that price for a reason.

But i know one day(not in my dreams) that the Msp will smoke the Wrx and Evo. i pray the day.

[YuYuRena]

awd on wrx's whp = about msp whp. get the pic ppl? if you want to compare hp, wrx (awd) needs more whp than fwd cuz they lose more. how many times do i need to say that.

Also about awd, it sucks, too heavy for the turn in, if you want the most neutral get a rwd, cuz steering and power is separate from each other. the only thing awd is good at, is powering out of the turn, but your turn entry is slower than rwd. Fwd is a different story cuz you have to push the turn deep and take a hotter approach, for racing I take a mid engine rwd setup i.e. F1. neutral setting for perfectly tossing around.

[MSBlueP]

i love my car! it's pretty damn sah weet! hehe..

and for power.. it's great! I was pushing an automatix matrix XR before my mazdaspeed.. and wow.. was dat s-l-o-w.....

still though, my matrix looked good! heheh
(comparing to stock)

[MsPxZoOm]

actually the matrix ain't that slow... i thought it was pretty quick, but it couldn't handle turns like the mazdaspeed! the tires were slipping and screeching while i was test driving the matrix, but the mazdaspeed handled really well but i like the six speed manual on the matrix though...

[MSBlueP]

yea i kno.. XRS matrix six speeds are nice(180hp VVTL-I) *same as celica GTS*.. although the sixth gear served no real purpose.. it had no power then.

but i had an auto (4-speed) matrix XR.. 130hp vvti.. man..
I was crawling everywhere.. but after I dropped it about 2", sway bars, stb.. man oh man.. it handled very nicely! hehe.

[mspeedpro]

drop $12k into show products for a spicey msp and i believe u have THE BEST looking 4 door car this size in the world... man im proud

[boostaddict]

Sure the WRX and STi are great cars, but they are just too butt ugly. I've got to atleast find a car OK looking to buy it. Besides in a couple of years you'll be stuck in a butt ugly car that isn't fast compared to new ones... who wants that. It's already happened to the basic WRX.

The MSP (especially in Titanium) is tastefully cool and a hell of a great handling car even if not the fastest. Neither of those is really going to change.

Cheers folks!

[siberiankiss]

Originally posted by MSBlueP
although the sixth gear served no real purpose.. it had no power then.



why would 6th gear need a lot of power??? it's just an overdrive gear...

i wish the MSP had a 6th gear...even better highway gas mileage...that would rock.

[03MSPRO]

these topics ae getting so old.....

[Autox MSP]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO
these topics ae getting so old.....

because out of all the forums i've been to, nasioc, clubsi, evolutionm, srtforums. The protege forums is the only place where owners constantly have to down other cars to make them self feel good.

[JunkPunch]

Originally posted by AutoBox
i find it interestin that in a article in SCC about awd cars the audi quattro system is one of the worst....it may have been a beast back in the day.....

Do you know which SCC this was in? I'd like to read it. I'm curious as to why they called it "one of the worst". Not sure if you remember, but was it because of the amount of drivetrain power loss? I can believe that. It also depends on which version of quattro they are talking about, since they have gone through about 5 versions I think.

True enough that you lose power to the wheels with AWD. It's not the best thing in all situations. It adds weight to the car, drivetrain power loss, etc.

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by YuYuRena
awd on wrx's whp = about msp whp. get the pic ppl? if you want to compare hp, wrx (awd) needs more whp than fwd cuz they lose more. how many times do i need to say that.

Also about awd, it sucks, too heavy for the turn in, if you want the most neutral get a rwd, cuz steering and power is separate from each other. the only thing awd is good at, is powering out of the turn, but your turn entry is slower than rwd. Fwd is a different story cuz you have to push the turn deep and take a hotter approach, for racing I take a mid engine rwd setup i.e. F1. neutral setting for perfectly tossing around.

very well explained. AWD sucks when entering a real tight turn.

[WeldingHank]

AWD= 24-27% drive train loss. FWD/RWD = 14-17% drivetrain loss. WRX = ~167 WHP. mazdaspeed = ~145WHP subtract for weight. and i'd say the mazdaspeed is a decent contendor.

[BremertonMSP]

Originally posted by 03MSP
Ok, since no one said anything about this I am going to ask something. Do you honestly think that an MSP can hang with a WRX(not STi of course) on a highway run?

I'm not doubting, just wondering.

If the drivers are of equal caliber, I don't think the MSP could hang with the WRX.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by NoVaMSP

try driving a shit box around for 10 years then see how ya like the msp (likemylastcar)

AMEN preach it brother 93 Pontiac Grand GT here and man it SUCKED ASS!
MSP is like fine wine next to the Domestic crap that slides out of that assend known as Detroit.

[servoeyes]

Here here, Yash! There's only one thing to come out of detroit...the red wings! NO NOT EMINEM YOU WHITE_RAP ENTHUSIASTS!!!!

Also...I'd like to adress AutoX MSP's comment about us downing other cars.
1. Go sell your car and leave the community if you don't like it that much. You have a brain, and it can be used to make choices. No one is forcing you to stay here.

2. I tend to agree with you that *some* people can be closed minded here, but with people calling the MSP a joke, or a piece of crap, there is bound to be the other extreme defending it to the death...agressively I might add. You also have to consider that this board has had a great influx of n00bs since the MSP arrived, and some have very little etiquette when it comes to these things. They'll grow up...so be grown-up enough to let it slide, seen.

[irr5302]

I kick my brother wrx ass in my msp one complet fender 1 2 3 4 gear before re flash with re flash my brother cry and dont want run with my MSP

att IRR

awd= sucks

Wrx feel how a ton of shit

[irr5302]

Put 300lbs in your trunk and you have a WRX

[spacemonkey]

Whoohooo! I <3 MSP. Yeah, you can't expect our cars to be EVO/STi eaters for $19-$20K. About investing all that cash to make it fast? Its still FWD. I dont know why people are even comparing the MSP to EVOs, WRX/STis. If anything we should be comapring it to the SVTs (no challenge) and SRT-4s. And we make up for the lack of HP with style, handeling and looks

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by WeldingHank
AWD= 24-27% drive train loss. FWD/RWD = 14-17% drivetrain loss. WRX = ~167 WHP. mazdaspeed = ~145WHP subtract for weight. and i'd say the mazdaspeed is a decent contendor.

dood, you are comparing apples and oranges. The WRX makes 167 whp, but ALL 4 wheels are pushing. There's a difference there you know?

[servoeyes]

well...the WRX runs 14.5s 1/4, stock according to Car and driver, right? So say someone can run a 14.2 if they're really good. A good MSP driver can run 14.9-15.1 (i ran 15.3). That's still pretty damn close, all things considered. And besides that, there is the price differential, the boost differential, and the turbo size differential. There's a whole slew of factors that make the WRX a cool car...but with out the benefits of a good, tight suspension like the MSPs, it doesn't make it worthwhile to me for MSRP. Even today the MSP - WRX price difference is about 3-5k$.

Blah...I'm babbling...but you get the point. The MSP is a great car, and about 1500$ properly thowrn into it makes it very formidible competition for a lot of cars out there.

[WeldingHank]

try a highway run, i bet the Mazdaspeed does even better.

[yashooa]

The MSP is like a beautiful petite woman who can really f**k the WRX is like a fat squatty woman who can dead lift and walk on ice.
Now tell me who would you rather take home?

[funnylittlman]

Originally posted by yashooa
The MSP is like a beautiful petite woman who can really f**k the WRX is like a fat squatty woman who can dead lift and walk on ice.
Now tell me who would you rather take home?

Well it depends on where I lived....

Down here in VA... the Petite woman,

up north, say North Pole: The Fatty squatty woman for warmth! :D





j/k

[yashooa]

Originally posted by funnylittlman
Well it depends on where I lived....

Down here in VA... the Petite woman,

up north, say North Pole: The Fatty squatty woman for warmth! :D





j/k

Ah yes point taken :)