Trading in the msp....check out what the mazda manager said.

[Autox MSP]

I owned my msp for a few months. I decided that this was not the right car for me after driving a few months.
Anyways, today i went to check out the EVOs. They are selling them at invoice since 04 models are coming out. I told the sales person that i'd like to trade in my new 03 msp. Since the msp is not yet in the books they called a mazda dealership to ask how much they are going for in the trade in. This is from the mouth of the mazda sales manager, "These cars have tons of factory rebate and we can't even these cars away." "Noone wants them, they are just sitting here on the lots." "I wouldn't give more then a penny over 12k for trade in."

Anyways i guess i'm stuck with a car that i don't like. Can't really sell it since the value of these cars have gone south.

This is the last mazda i'll ever own. I'm sure i'll be able to get about 8k in a couple years.

[srtchick]

damn that blows!!! tuh !

[Black Majik MSP]

Not to be an ass, but I think you should have researched your options more before you bought the car. I can't imagine why you wouldn't want the MSP unless all you either like to go fast only in a straight line or you're really short & don't care about a back seat (unlike me).

Anyway, I wish I had $$ for an EVO...good luck with everything.

[irr5302]

bull shit

[SoniCraze]

just pondering....what is invoice on a 03 evo?

[Autox MSP]

If you own and drive a car every day for a few months, either you'll love the car or dislike it.

I don't like the driving position (too high), steering position, i don't like the pedel position (heels hurt in traffic), I hate the gear box (half the time it doen't go in to first. 2nd gear is rough going in), on even power delievery (sometimes it makes power, most of the time it hesitiates), no clutch feel (learned after 2hours a day in traffic), rattlebox after couple months, engine vibrates and shakes the steeringwheel, random highpitch screeching noise (not turbo), engine moves around too much and shakes the car in traffic. Theres bunch more i can't think of right now.
I used to look foward to driving my civic, taking longer routes so i can enjoy driving it more. With the msp, i take the short route so i wouldn't be in the car longer then i have to. I'd like to think of the msp as a pretty blond chic we all wanted in highschool, idea of sex with her is much better then the real thing.
I wanted to love the car, but i grew to dislike it. Its a free country i can buy something and later grow apart from it. Alot of things i learned to look for on my next car.

[Autox MSP]

Originally posted by SoniCraze
just pondering....what is invoice on a 03 evo?

i was quoted 27,900 with sunroof and carbonfiber wing. add about 450bux to that for freight.

[Allen]

Ouch... no wonder they are selling the MSPs so cheap at the local dealerships.

[MackDadam]

Well if a mistu dealer calls a mazda dealer and asks what they are going for in trade do you expect the mazda dealer to give an honest opinion?? he knows that a mazda is about to be traded in to a competitor so im sure he was trying to get the mitsu dealer to give you a cheap price so you wouldnt trade your car in, which you didnt. Probably just his way of making sure you keep your mazda and dont buy from a competitor

[Autox MSP]

the dealers are owned by the same network. I doubt they'd do that.

[Zray]

Private sell - I don't know how many miles your MSP has on it, but you'll probably get a lot closer to $15,000 if not more. Coming online though and griping about it won't do much to help your sale if the person who you're selling to has internet access and knows how to google =) Instead you should say "Well sadly I have to part ways with my sweet precious little Mazdaspeed - oh how dearly I've loved her, but alas we were not meant to be :( I only hope I find a new owner worthy of her greatness..." ;)

[03MSPRO]

Eventhough I only paid $16,000 for my MSP, it only took me less than 1 month to figure out that it is not a keeper. Just like after a couple of times of having sex with a chic you wold know if he's a keeper or not....
I only going to driv this car for 3 years top until I have a nice positive equity and then trade it in for what I should have bought to begin with, an EVO or WRX.
All I have to say it that I am very dissapointed in Mazda. They lied about the HP in the RX-8, the Miata and I am sue the Mazda Protege (non-turbo) also. How can a car rated at 130 bhp only make 95 whp? The Protege should have been rated at only 120 bhp. Nobody complained too much because after all it's a econobox and not a sport car like the Miata and RX-8.
Everytime I get a survey from Mazda I complain about how disspointed I am with Mazda and that I will never own another Mazda.
Obviously, I am not satisfied with the MSP, but I don't complain about it everyday. Just learn to live with it and get rid of it as soon as you can.

[TooleBox]

Originally posted by Zray
Instead you should say "Well sadly I have to part ways with my sweet precious little Mazdaspeed - oh how dearly I've loved her, but alas we were not meant to be :( I only hope I find a new owner worthy of her greatness..." ;)


dude... that was great!(rofl)

[Allen]

Originally posted by Autox MSP
[...snip...]This is from the mouth of the mazda sales manager, "These cars have tons of factory rebate and we can't even these cars away." "Noone wants them, they are just sitting here on the lots." "I wouldn't give more then a penny over 12k for trade in."

Anyways i guess i'm stuck with a car that i don't like. Can't really sell it since the value of these cars have gone south.

This is the last mazda i'll ever own. I'm sure i'll be able to get about 8k in a couple years.

You know, back when the 2002 (I think) new generation Civic Si came out. A friend and I went to the Honda dealership may a year after the release to inquire information about it. The dealership was very harsh on the Si. I wasn't even looking for a trade-in. He asked me, "Why are you even thinking about buying that?"... "We can't even give them away!".... He went on to tell us all about the mistakes Honda made back in Japan and how they had to send their engineers here to find out why the sales was so poor for the new Si. I didn't like the Si, but didn't expect to get bombarded with negative information from their own dealers.

But I like honest dealers (or maybe he was just REALLY fed up with it), if he had sugar coated the Si I wouldn't have changed my mind about it anyways. :D

[Triflyn]

Yeah Autox MSP, I had the same thing happen to me also. I tried to trade the MSP on a 04 srt-4. The Dodge dealer called to the Mazda dealership to find out the trade in value on the MSP cause of it not being in the Blue book yet. Mazda told them that my car was worth only 10k! I was like bull shit. I mean my car is less than 7 months old and has low mileage and in perfect condition. So I called the Mazda dealer and asked what is the crietria for figuring the value and the sale man told me that the trade in value is just an opnion, and that I would get the most value by going back to the same Mazda dealer I purchased from. The only reason I want to trade it in is due to me having to take it to Mazda every couple of weeks to get fixed when it is basically brand new. I have never had this amount of problems with a new car. So I told Dodge to kiss my ass. I plan on just keeping the MSP and after I thought deeply about it at least Mazda fixes all the issue with car the first time. Plus I like my car a lot other than the problems. Lastly the issue that I am having almost everyone on the forum is having and the problems are pretty minor. So i will keep it and pray for no more problems!

[Dexter]

no fucking shit. i coulda told that you wont get more than 12k for a mazdaspeed protege. fuck the trade in, dude. dont be lazy, fucking sell it privately. and stop bitching. i hate your whining as much as you hate your car. Youre not "stuck" go get another job, sell the car in the local paper, whatever. you can do whatever the fuck you want, but if im gonna have to read more of your complaining about a car you dont want, im gonna explode.

[cochizzle]

yeah i agree... selling it privately will increase the price you get because dealers don't want MSP on their lots... not because its a shitty car, but because they don't make them anymore. If it was a limited production car that was actually in demand (panoz esperante), then dealers would grab them. MSPs aren't very expensive, and so people can actually buy something new. Also, selling it independently will also give you the opportunity to explain to people that you've corrected all the horrible problems that people have heard about the MSP. That or just keep and learn next time that tuned cars from the factory are prone to the same problems as tuned cars aftermarket.

[1sty]

SOunds right to me.
There have been several that haven'y budged in a month at a local dealer here. Even the titanums.

If its not right for you thats cool and just explore your options a bit more. I don't know your location but moving that car with winter beating down the door won't be easy and you'll have to take a lower price for it.

I'd wait for summer and list it for $15K:
1. It won't be snowing any more
2. There will be NO MSPs avaialble new then.

[Autox MSP]

Originally posted by Dexter
no fucking shit. i coulda told that you wont get more than 12k for a mazdaspeed protege. fuck the trade in, dude. dont be lazy, fucking sell it privately. and stop bitching. i hate your whining as much as you hate your car. Youre not "stuck" go get another job, sell the car in the local paper, whatever. you can do whatever the fuck you want, but if im gonna have to read more of your complaining about a car you dont want, im gonna explode.


how bout you have a little of of shut the fuck up.

[pdhaudio83]

autox, easy, slow down.

im sick of all peoples complaining too


oh *poo poo* my car isnt as fast as a different car. aww too bad.

stop wasting time posting if you dont like the car. just go sell it already and be on your way.

[Autox MSP]

Uhm, thats what i'm trying to say. I want to sell it. Since i don't want to just throw thousands of dollars i'm kinda stuck with this car.

Its easy to just say, sell the car or buy another car. If i was rich, that'll be easy but taking a 5k hit on something i bought just couple months ago is just too much for me. I guess i'll be driving this car for bit longer.

[1sty]

I'm with Autox MSP on this one, Dexs comments were way out of line for a Moderator.

He is completely entitled to his opinion on this without being attack by the staff for it. He said nothing to provoke this response.

[pdhaudio83]

just wait a few months before you sell it. late spring would be best. def do private sale.

[speedfrk]

Once agian people complain about a 17,000 dollar car and compare it to a 28,000 to 30,000 dollar car . just shut up and realize that if you wanted a evo or wrx you should have bought it the first time ass muncher.

[1sty]

Originally posted by speedfrk
Once agian people complain about a 17,000 dollar car and compare it to a 28,000 to 30,000 dollar car . just shut up and realize that if you wanted a evo or wrx you should have bought it the first time ass muncher.

He realised this after buying so what is the big friggen deal?

[jdgti]

I wouldn't worry about it too much, wait a year or so and then sell it. Look at the MP3's, there's a sspecial model protege that originally sold for $18,000 MSRP or thereabouts, and now has a blue book trade in of $10,500 and a private party value a little over $12,000 for one in excellent condition with about 24,000 miles on the clock. For those who bought their MSP early on and paid much closer to MSRP than they are going for now, they'd be losing a lot of money if they wanted to get rid of it, but for anyone buying one now for $16k-$17k, I'd say depreciation over the next few years is not going to be horrible.

You lose a lot of money on a first year trade-in no matter what, the only way to come close to breaking even is with a private party sale. I've been in your boat before, I sold a WRX wagon after only four months but because it was a private sale and I found a reasonable buyer I didn't get hurt too much on it. If you really want to get rid of it now, advertise it on autotrader.com or in your local paper. If you don't want to deal with it and you'd rather trade it in to a dealer, you're going to have to wait a while.

Maybe try carmax, they'll buy your car from you, and I've heard a few people have had reasonable results with them (better than dealer trade-in) but I doubt it's going to be anywhere near what you're expecting to get for it.

Here's something else to consider - if you're getting a new car at invoice, you're probably going to get financed for the MSRP of the car, if not about 10% more. If the amount you're upside down on your loan is less than the difference between invoice and MSRP on the car you're looking at, you can usually roll that into your new loan. It hurts you in the long run, but if you absolutely have to get out of the car you're driving, that's one way to do it.

[YuYuRena]

sorry to hear you hate this car. Hope your next one is better. And it's good you won't be buying another mazda, easier for me to get a RX7 (j/k, j/k). It's sad to hear you go though. Good luck on your sell.

[Monstermile]

Damn you people can be harsh. Lighten up a little.

You never really know a car until you have driven it for a while. A ten minute test drive ain't gonna tell you shit. To be honest my P5 is not what I expected. I like it but the handling sux compared to my Focus and I actually find myself missing my Focus now. The way I could throw it into any twist and turn and not have to worry about letting up. But I couldn't tell that in a test drive. It took driving it for a few weeks on all the roads I'm used to driving. The power is a little under what I expected too. I know it isn't going to be fast, but this thing has no get up and go. Again I neede to have it to myself and try different styles of driving to tell that. But unfortunantly I am locked in for a few years so I guess I'll just make the best of it.

Oh and Autox MSP: You gotta see it from the dealers side. The used car market sux right now because of all the rebates and incentives on new cars. They can't move them. Thank Chevy for starting the ball rolling on that.

[girth]

No shit - I hate it when a bunch of people on here fly off the handle when somebody complains about their car. And the fact that 2 moderators did it makes it even worse. News flash - it doesn't matter if you hate his whining about the car because he has every right to post his complaints on here if he so chooses! If you don't like listening to the complaining, too F-ing bad. I could say I hate all "Hi, I'm a newb" threads but guess what, that doesn't give me the right to jump down their throat.

Good luck selling the MSP Autox - I'd wait until spring for a better price like 1st said. If you end up selling, let us know how much you end up getting.

[FBI14]

I disagree I test drove and took out some of my friends cars and you can get a good feel for cars pretty easily. After test driving the Evo I walked away very dissapointed, Taking my friends RSX-S out I liked the the sound of when the V-TEC kicking in and that was about it. Took a SRT-4 out walked away dissapointed. The whole point of a test drive is to get a basic feel of the car your not going to understand its limits afterwards but you can get a good feel overall. After spending 15 mins in a Evo I walked away with enough complaints that I was not intrested in the car at all afterwards. The shifter is knotchy just like the MSP, the Brake "feel" is mushy, the turbo lag is enough to steal some excitment from the car. Its not a bad car in anyway theres just some things I didnt like about the car just like AutoX is saying about the MSP, only difference is that I didnt spend 30K to figure these out. The question is what cars dont have their short comings. You gotta roll with the punches sometimes.

[Heathen23]

Originally posted by speedfrk
Once agian people complain about a 17,000 dollar car and compare it to a 28,000 to 30,000 dollar car . just shut up and realize that if you wanted a evo or wrx you should have bought it the first time ass muncher.

20.500 MSRP

[Himoura]

Good luck with the selling of your car. My friend is a salesman and in response to a "mazda" manager saying they aren't worth anything is prob made up. They say alot to "depriciate" your car. You just gotta hold your ground.

The reason it's not a good idea to trade the speed in is because if you go by the books there is no designation for 'Mazdaspeed'. It is considered a regular protege :bs: wich sux i know. I knew about that when i bought it and it will prob take a hit when the 3 comes out, so you most def want to sell it privately and get more $$$$ for it.

This sux cause the friggin Z06 has a separate designation!! Maybe the Mazdaspeed brand is still too new. again good luck and it sux that it has put you off from Mazda's. They make a great car.

[Prodigy926]

You know what is funny about this lol. I also went to the dodge dealer in scottsdale arizona today to find out how i could get an SRT-4 out of curiosity and they only wanted to give me 10k for it and my car is in mint condition. I would never buy a SRT-4 because of it looking so cheap but geeze lol noone wants the speedcar. Not even the owners that have them it sounds like. I am going to wait till spring 2004 to start the necessary steps on getting my STi . That is what i should of bought but i was impulsive and couldnt get a 30,000 dollar loan at the time. Now i can. Dont get me wrong. I like my car but i have had problem after problem with it and its rediculous.

[Prodigy926]

by the way i paid almost 22 grand for my speedcar in ohio

[FBI14]

"The Speedcar" I like that

[azian6er]

the only "speedy" thing about our cars is the depreciation value:rolleyes:

[Prodigy926]

hehe I bought my car at the Cleveland Auto show back in Feb so I might have paid a little much for it dont ya think? depreciate 10 grand in friggin 9 months on trade in. Rediculous. BTW My salesman called it a "speedcar"

[Monstermile]

Originally posted by Prodigy926
BTW My salesman called it a "speedcar"

Probably because he forgot they were called Mazdaspeed and had to make something up on the fly so he sounded like he knew what he was talking about.

[FBI14]

Originally posted by azian6er
the only "speedy" thing about our cars is the depreciation value:rolleyes:

Your crazy your crazy man, but I like you

[azian6er]

^^ of course, what's not to like??...:cool:

ps "your crazy your crazy man" reminded me of Old School, when Will Farrell got shot in the neck with the tranq gun! That is exactly what he says! (maybe you were trying to say that i dunno)...

[Prodigy926]

haha this is getting good lol

[Dexter]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
I'm with Autox MSP on this one, Dexs comments were way out of line for a Moderator.

He is completely entitled to his opinion on this without being attack by the staff for it. He said nothing to provoke this response.

alright. so i have to shut up. i see.

[FBI14]

Originally posted by azian6er
^^ of course, what's not to like??...:cool:

ps "your crazy your crazy man" reminded me of Old School, when Will Farrell got shot in the neck with the tranq gun! That is exactly what he says! (maybe you were trying to say that i dunno)...

I WAS... but...LETS MAKE IT OFFICAL LETS MAKE IT OFFICAL JACKASS

[azian6er]

haha lol ok man, ok back on topic here....

[Prodigy926]

Yeah about these 10k trade ins with dodge to get a SRT-4?? lol

[BlackMSP]

mazdaspeed owns u! Everyone I take for a car loves my car way more than I do, but whatever its all good. No car is perfect.. Don't let the hype get to you.

[StreetUnit]

Think about from this point of view... I got my speed for $15700 brand new, 22 miles on it. Sti and the SRT-4 are another $10k-15k more than a MSP. The MSP is already turbo'd, handles great and looks pretty good, and with some mods to loosen up the restrictions, it can run 13s in the 1/4 mile.

It could be worse. We could be driving a pinto:wtf: ...so be thankful for what you got. (apologizes to all the pinto drivers out there). Thats just my thoughts.... Slam it down

[MazdaDryvr]

I know what this thread needs!!!

I LOVE MY MSP!!!

(yippy) (yippy) (mspo) (2thumbs) (first) (nana) (drive)

How's that? Feeling better now? I know I am! :D

[StreetUnit]

I second that...(drinks)

[mp5jeff]

********** -- where have you seen a srt-4 for 26k??? even the brand new 2004 models arent that much, and for a msp to run 13's you goto do more then loosen up restrictions...

[StreetUnit]

SR-T is $22K sticker right? plus TTT comes out to atleast $25k. No rebates and usually want more than sticker...
Get a Turbo back exhaust, boost 10lbs, CAI, BOV, and hardpiping w/ a FMIC if you got $1000 sitting around. You'll be surprised what it will run. I will let you know what it runs when its finished. Now back on topic...

[mp5jeff]

acctualy people are only paying around 21k out the door for their 2004, according to a bunch of people on srtforums, but yes this is off topic my bad

[StreetUnit]

Thats not a bad price, but still a difference of $5k. $5000 into a MSP and its way past a Neon. Slam it down...(drinks)

[StreetUnit]

mp5jeff...Nice ride. You are working against yourself going turbo with that huge box in the back. Much props though...

[MazdaDryvr]

I have had quality issues with several different manufacturers over the years (GM/Nissan/Toyota) so the stuff with the MSP doesnt faze me, I've dealt with much worse. I guess some MSP owners are having some serious problems where mine have been minor ( stumble/clunk/small coolant leak). Overall I love the car and enjoy driving it immensly. I test drove the WRX and for the extra dollars it wasnt worth it. I personaly dont like the look of the EVO at all. Looks like some thing a teenager would design. (just my opinion folks) So based on the fact that I loved my P5 I had no probs sliding into a MSP. If I'm not mistaken, the Protege has a very high rating for reliability and customer satisfaction. Ours are a little more quirky because of the mods. But overall for the money, there's nothing else I would drive. :)

[Autox MSP]

i never said i hated the msp. I just said its not the car for me, I don't feel comfortable driving it.

[blubyu21117]

i purchased my MSP because i fell in luv with it after a test drive.
i saw all these articles in mags about how it was "the first in a line of MAZDASPEED products."
i paid 21,000 for it.
i haven't seen any performance products for it, at least not from the factory.
after seeing these rebates, i feel that i paid too much for it.
i still luv to drive it, though.
having owned tuned cars all my life, there is gonna be some good with the bad. that's the nature of the beast.
all these things considered, i would still buy the car,just not for 21000

[Newf]

Sell the car in Canada. The depreciation up here isn't so bad apparently.

that being said, I can honestly say that when i was trying to sell the MP3 I ran into a slew of problems. Every Honda I've had, I've sold them within days of deciding too. The MP3 I had for sale for months only to trade it in.

1. Nobody new what is was.
2. Most people assumed it was just a normal protege with some wheels and a different spoiler.
3. Because of 1/2 when they seen the price, they never asked why so high...they just moved on.
4. Every dick smack tuner wanna be, wants a damn civic.
5. I had tons of people wanting it...but unfortunately the target audience that wants a car like this....the majority are very young, and cannot afford it unless mommy and daddy are rich.
6. My mp3 was 25k Canadian new, and the MSP was selling for 26,995 for the orange, and 27500 for the 2003.5, and to make things worse, the other used speed in town was for sale at the same time for 24, when I originally was asking 21...then I kept going down and down, and still couldn't sell it. The orange one is also still for sale almost 6 months later.

I would NOT be driving this speed is I was not presented with the deal I got from my. My dealer was awesome, knew I was pissed about the clunk never being resolved, and I got a sweet deal on the speed. Otherwise, I would be driving something else...probably a Honda or Acura.

Next time around, probably when the Mazdaspeed 3 comes out, assuming it does, I'm not sure what will happen. All depends on what I get for trade in as well. And I have no intention of losing my shirt every 2-3 years. At least I lease, which reduces some of the money I could potentially lose.

[iLisa]

sorry to hear you don't like your speed AutoxMSP.

[shinzen]

Sry to hear about this man- but it sounds almost like they quoted you kbb on an es model- my stock es books for trade @ $10,200- on a 2k2- and trust me, I wish I had bought the speed instead- cause when I got mine I paid way to much, before the speed came out- I am still about 4k upside down on it for trade, and 3k for private sale...

[MackDadam]

Autox...you make no sense to me. Its not the car for you, well did you not test drive it? I mean everything you are complaining about you would have seen on a test drive? will you ever be happy with a car? I bet no. Next time i suggest a test drive, and dont give me the old "dealer wouldnt let me deal" Cause you know what, bring some cash in there, and appear serious and they would let you drive it. I am a 19 year old, I look 16, at first they told me i couldnt test drive it, but then i started talking, busted out a cashiers check i brought and all of a sudden the tables turned. So, before you buy that Evo, go test drive it, because im sure youll be complaining about that too.

[LinuxRacr]

Originally posted by Autox MSP
If you own and drive a car every day for a few months, either you'll love the car or dislike it.

I don't like the driving position (too high), steering position, i don't like the pedel position (heels hurt in traffic), I hate the gear box (half the time it doen't go in to first. 2nd gear is rough going in), on even power delievery (sometimes it makes power, most of the time it hesitiates), no clutch feel (learned after 2hours a day in traffic), rattlebox after couple months, engine vibrates and shakes the steeringwheel, random highpitch screeching noise (not turbo), engine moves around too much and shakes the car in traffic. Theres bunch more i can't think of right now.
I used to look foward to driving my civic, taking longer routes so i can enjoy driving it more. With the msp, i take the short route so i wouldn't be in the car longer then i have to. I'd like to think of the msp as a pretty blond chic we all wanted in highschool, idea of sex with her is much better then the real thing.
I wanted to love the car, but i grew to dislike it. Its a free country i can buy something and later grow apart from it. Alot of things i learned to look for on my next car.

My question is how old are you?

[MackDadam]

March 11, 1979 is his bday according to the profile. so what 24? stilll in the age range for this car id say, he seems to be still attached to honda, so mazda will never impress him

[Autox MSP]

I'm 24 years old.
I liked the car when i test drove it. Living in nothern va/DC area, i spend most of my time in traffic with the protege. The tranny blows in traffic, i'm starting to dislike it little more when i'm trying to get it in to 1st or 2nd gear since it doen't go in 50% of the time.
I originally was gonna get an STi/EVO/G35 coupe but i got a sucha great deal on the car i thought i can wait a few years, but since the car is so uncomfortable to drive in traffic I have to get sell it sooner then later.
You can either grow to love something or grow to dislike it. And yes i did tons of research before getting the car.
I'm not even complaining, I just want to sell the car for about 15k then i'll be happy.

[boostisgood]

Autox, I understand your point. but understand this NO MANUAL CAR IS EASY TO DRIVE, OR FUN TO DRIVE IN STOP AND GO TRAFFIC.

I am not flaming, nor trying to fight with ya bro. Trust me, I understand your frustration, as I have had it with my last 2 cars. I have learned to accept the fact that I really, overall, not happy Mazda as a company, but can live with, and deal, and even like my MSP.

IMHO, you would be better off with a grand am automatic, or something along those lines of a mid size automatic car, if you have to sit in all that traffic.

[Autox MSP]

my civic was so easy to drive in traffic even with a 3puck, because the tranny just clicked in to gears . The car was just fun to row the gears. The evo i tested felt very similer, gears flicked in to gates with a nice short shifts, good clutch feel.
The protege doen't have a first gear syncro coming from the mazda rep so its gonna not like going in to first. Also the shifter feel going from 1st to 2nd feels like the tranny wants to grind, its just very notchy. I drove a 03.5 and it didn't feel this bad but, since mazda says this is completely normal and the mazda rep says its normal that was the end of that.

[LinuxRacr]

Damn dude, you are only a few months older than me. I feel ya on the stop-n-go traffic, and your transmission. It can make my knees sore sometimes. That's why I work nights. :D Make sure the next car you get is the one you really want. F*ck all the nay-sayers!

[M=SP^2]

Autox, I'm very familiar with the DC area and it is a constant traffic nightmare, if you spend alot of time on the beltway you're probably better off with an automatic. It gets really tiresome to come on this board and see people like you spew out negativity all day long. I understand you're unhappy and you've only said it about 20 times already. Suck it up and deal with it, because polluting the boards with negative garbage all day long is not going to help your situation. I hope this thread dies soon.

[charles]

Stop making bad choices. If you get an Evo you will regret it. Get an STi :rolleyes:

[Autox MSP]

alrite this tread is turning in to a mess, someone please lock it.

[charles]

I'm serious, get an STi...

[Autox MSP]

i'm not getting anything for 12k trade in. I'm keeping the mazda till it falls apart. I dont have 6k to just throw away.

[charles]

OK, well, I'm sorry you don't like your car. Maybe you could use the money you were going to spend on a new one to make it better.

[Pkay]

I love the car.... can't stand the whinning babies in the community tho


Think your Evo or Sti are gonna be completely flawless? Try again. Expect to be at the dealership once a month

[Bail Brother]

You guys have to slow down and think a little bit before just bashing Mazda and the MSP.

1) A dealer will lie to you about the value of your car. $10,000 for a used MSP? I guarantee you won't be able to buy one for even $12,000.

2) The used car market sucks for all cars, not just the MSP. Look how many rebates all manufacturers are offering for new cars. So naturally dealers aren't going to just buy your car for $15,000 or whatever you want. Car manufacturers are going nuts.

3) Cars like the EVO are already selling at invoice. If they are so great, shouldn't they still be selling over MSRP? Like I said, it's the market, not the car.

[Autox MSP]

uhm.....i'm not complaining about the reliablity or the performance of the car. I dislike how the car feels in the real world driving not test drive.
My last car was heavliy modified civic, honda challange spec suspension, tdo4-15G turbo, loud falken azenis. The car rattled like crazy, stiff as hell but it was fun to drive, excellent driving position, steering, no torque steer, excellent gear box. I had nothing to complain about that car, other then always worried about it getting stolen, being broken in to and finally it got too many miles on it i sold it.

Evo's are selling for invoice because they're clearing out for the 04 models. You still can't get the STi for under 30k atleast in nothern va.

[CHICO2003]

Only read the first page of posts... what a bunch of BS this is!! This dude needs to grow up and stop crying about this car!!! If he hates it so much... WHY DID HE BUY IT???? STUPID ASS!!! sure, this car has some shortcomings but... all in all, it's a great car. Show me ANY car in which you're not going to lose a signifcant amount of value within a few months of buying it!! Thats just HOW IT IS!! Sucks I know... we all do. But don't come on here bitching about the car and how much it sucks just because you fukced up by buying a car you didn't like and now have to suffer the consequences.

[Pkay]

Originally posted by Autox MSP

Evo's are selling for invoice because they're clearing out for the 04 models. You still can't get the STi for under 30k atleast in nothern va.

why exactly do you think the MSP's are going down in price? Oh yeah something about the new economy size mazda models coming out.


Despite a few know it alls in this thread, most people know jackshit about the car industry on the sales portion.


The ideal that "dealerships cant get rid of MSP's" is bullshit. There are dealerships regionally in each area that have ungodly amounts of them. For every dealership that has 15 MSPs on the lot there are 15 dealerships that have 0 or maybe 1. This is done with every single car that is not done in a MASSIVE production run. Rx8's have the same thing.

If I go to my dealership and see 20 rx8's does that mean they arent selling? No. It means Bomaritto in st louis missiour is a huge fucking dealership that disperses its inventory to smaller dealerships.


As for estimates on our cars..... of course dealerships are going to aim low. They have to make money off of them. If the dealership said "we'll give you $16k" then they'd lose a shit load of money when they resale. It surprises me how many people will believe a fucking used car dealer.

[Autox MSP]

explain to me then, how was my car sitting on the lot for over a year??? with noone buying it??? In one of the biggest dealership in va??

[charles]

I didn't even think the car has hardly been around a year. :confused:

[Inspekdah]

Well considering right now the MSP original has a sticker with rebate of 18,500...

and its the last of the 2003's... 12,000 for an initial salesman quote doesn't seem all that bad... think about it...

a 2003 had nearly 4000 in mark downs around here dragging it from 17.5k to around 13.5k... i didnt want a civic but just because our car is limited... doesnt mean it will hold its value the 1st year its out as much as other cars...

put the car in your paper in the spring once its warm, put "turbo", sound system, anything to clarify this thing isnt a regular protege...

i love the car and i think its more than speedy enough compared to other cars out there...

for 19k what else do you want, the WRX is a firm 30 grand...

[Autox MSP]

Originally posted by CHICO2003
Only read the first page of posts... what a bunch of BS this is!! This dude needs to grow up and stop crying about this car!!! If he hates it so much... WHY DID HE BUY IT???? STUPID ASS!!! sure, this car has some shortcomings but... all in all, it's a great car. Show me ANY car in which you're not going to lose a signifcant amount of value within a few months of buying it!! Thats just HOW IT IS!! Sucks I know... we all do. But don't come on here bitching about the car and how much it sucks just because you fukced up by buying a car you didn't like and now have to suffer the consequences.

yeh i kinda know all the sad reponses by now.

why you get it??, because i felt like it and its free country.

why dont you sell it?? because i dont want to give my car away for practically nothing and i owe more then how much its worth.

Buy another car then? I will soon as i can sell this one.

why do you hate the msp??? i don't hate the car, its just not the car for me.

I'm not even complaining, you guys are asking the questions i'm answering them. Do I have to justify my purchase to you guys?? are you paying my car payements?? didn't think so. Grow up.

[Inspekdah]

the speed is the maxim roadster of the year!

[funnylittlman]

AutoX,

Try carmax here Dulles. Let me know what you'll do.

SO Rosenthall has 13 evo's in stock. They are in the SAME boat... no one wants them, even for our D.C. Area. See if they'll work with you.

Any way you go, let me know!

-fnny

[MazdaDryvr]

In contrast, I find the MSP to be very comfortable and I have no probs with the shifter. Maybe you were just too accustomed to the civc you had?

[1sty]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
acctualy people are only paying around 21k out the door for their 2004, according to a bunch of people on srtforums, but yes this is off topic my bad

I was able to get one for $21,500 with a $10,000 trade in for my MP3.

[Speedy]

GUYS YOU ONLY PAY 16-18K FOR THE CAR AND COMPARE ANY OTHER CARS OUT THERE WITHIN THIS RANGE, i DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL COME CLOSE TO IT. DO YOU EVER THING ABOUT MAY BE IS OUR DRIVING STYLE AND HABIT THAT KILL OUR CAR. AFTER ALL IS A NEW CAR, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM JUST BRING IT BACK. THE WAY I SEE IT. IT REALLY MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHAT YOU BUY, THERE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO BITCH AND COMPLIANT ABOUT. THAT IS JUST MY $0.02.

[dupa12345]

well here is my few cents...

autox sorry to dissapoint you but i dont think u did the right research .. msp wasnt really winning all the comparos of sport sedans .. i think it was the focus svt and later the neon srt .. i say fuck the neon but the svt could have been a good choice

end of year, rebate time, first year depreciation all adds up and thats why the huge drop ..
some suggest private party sell .. off course you'll be better off ..

personnally i would never trade anything in b\c i cant see how a middle man (especially a car salesman) can make a deal for you .. ever

the whole story of calling the mazda dlr for a trade in value is BS b\c they just want to knock you off the track and give you a low enough number so you can accept whatever ripp off price they are willing to offer .. key word ripp off price

now look at this way .. and i think you already concluded that as well ... car has 4yr warranty .. its drivable (wheels, engine, stereo) perhaps not pleasurable but that you can get from that hot blond HS chick that will go for it

im kinda of in the same boat .. had a 99 si .. loved it .. got stolen .. looked at evo ( sorry but sti sucks in my opinion), rx8 kinda, focus svt (talk about sitting high), g35 coupe (overpriced), rsx-s (sweet ride but i have issues withthe shell plus my best friend got it because of my si so couldnt copy) and few others and decided to go cheap and invest my money somewhere else

got a p5 in august .. test drived a silver one it was horrible i thought the car gonna fall apart .. i only went to test drive it b\c i was buying it blindly over a phone with another dlr and liked the pricing 2250 off plus student 500

ohh i forgot to mention after 4 yrs my 99 si was worth 14650 bought at 18.5 only lost 4k in 4yrs and i got back 1200 in taxes so practically only 2500 depreciation

so the under 15k out the door p5 was decent buy to me .. again performance not in mind i think to this time i dont know the exact power rating on it even though im on the forum every day for about a month now

i bought this thing for the second best after performance which is looks .. i can bear with it b\c its drivable ... discs brakes, crossbars, make ok to drive engine is ok in traffic because of the tourqe ... other then that accelaration is pathetic .... i can practically snooze in 2nd, in 3rd i can take a reeal good nap .. but i make the best off it anyways

after being here for a while im leaning towards and ready to conclude that upgrades wont do shit for me .. turbos give a funny power band ... it really makes me laugh .. reall high 2-4k rpm and drops down after that .. its like it blows a buble, explodes and then the cars stops .. im kind of used to just getting it going then from my prev car

i use mine as a grand tourer ... its comfortable .. big props for the wipers and hvac, i was very pleased with the stereo and changer , in fact after i got into mine at dealer i was quite surprised with the interior ... it was like the opposite of the test drive .. friends like the second set of doors .. the trunk/hatch will get used for an upcoming trip

money saved on evo is paying off on the investment .. so im pretty happy with the overal outcome .. in fact if i met the guys that stole my si i woud buy them a drink ... and couple more if they agreed to steel the p5 in spring

so if i may suggest do the same drive it hard and enjoy whats there to enjoy and look forward to better things .. i get caught by my friends talking more about the evo then my car too .. so what

if it really drives you nuts test the market in hot seasons like spring and early summer .. put a sign in your window for about 2 months .. if nothing keep it around till next year .. eventually your bound to run into an enthusiast who values that car for the things he finds attractive in it

and last thing .. somebody along the way mentioned the new si's .. here is the truth ppl .. THEY SUCK .. ITS AN AMERICAN LOW BLOW... honestly the only thing good about them is the short shifter mounted on the dashboard .. but ppl like bought previous si's for the engine this engine is shit ... and there is no lying about it .. it shoudl have the engine from the rsx-s like in eu and japan.. then i would still be in it

[yashooa]

Originally posted by Dexter
no fucking shit. i coulda told that you wont get more than 12k for a mazdaspeed protege. fuck the trade in, dude. dont be lazy, fucking sell it privately. and stop bitching. i hate your whining as much as you hate your car. Youre not "stuck" go get another job, sell the car in the local paper, whatever. you can do whatever the fuck you want, but if im gonna have to read more of your complaining about a car you dont want, im gonna explode.

Bravo!!! (usa)
My car has been close to perfect and it has over 24000 miles on it now. The only "real" issue I have is the clunk and it took about 20,000 miles to show up. In all other regards my car has been a real joy to drive. I spend over 2 hrs a day in this car and it is always a pleasent experience. I guess maybe I got a "magic" MSP:rolleyes:

[Newf]

talk about irony....just got the news that my mp3 finally sold about an hour ago, and the best thing is, is that it's being shipped out of town so I don't have to look at it again.

Guys, leave him alone. So he wants out of the speed, big deal. The man is allowed to have an opinion, he is also allowed to make a mistake. I say good luck to you, hope it works out, and if you get an EVO come take me for a spin :)

Why does every thread around here turn out the same way? Reminds me of a certain other protege forum.....hmm.....wonder why.

[FBI14]

Originally posted by Autox MSP

The protege doen't have a first gear syncro coming from the mazda rep so its gonna not like going in to first. Also the shifter feel going from 1st to 2nd feels like the tranny wants to grind, its just very notchy. I drove a 03.5 and it didn't feel this bad but, since mazda says this is completely normal and the mazda rep says its normal that was the end of that.

The Evo is knotchy as hell too, Ask perfworks on this fourm he'll tell ya the same thing about his Evo

[Zray]

I've got no complaints on my MSP, but then she's still just a baby =)

It's already been said, but the new car market is flooded right now 'cause manufacturers are pumping out units because of some deal where the workers are getting paid for the number of cars made which is changing like next year I believe, where they will go back to a standard hourly paycheck (or something like that, caught that news in passing). This means new cars are getting rebates like mad to get rid of all of them, and used car prices are totally bombing out.

Each car owner is going to have their own experience with their own car. Personally I find the shifter and seat position in the MSP perfect. I enjoy it's agility and nimbleness, it's zip, and the creature comforts are not only fabulously comfy but every single person I've had in my car so far absolutely loves it and can't believe it came stock like that. It's the perfect car choice for a guy like me in every way. As much as I like it, I'm sure there are others who won't, who would rather have a srt4 or something, and that's fine for them. It's a big world with lots of roads to drive on... there should be plenty of room for all of us, no matter what we scoot around in :D

[M=SP^2]

Not to threadjack but this statement is just not true:

autox sorry to dissapoint you but i dont think u did the right research .. msp wasnt really winning all the comparos of sport sedans .. i think it was the focus svt and later the neon srt .. i say fuck the neon but the svt could have been a good choice
I read just about every comparo that included the MSP while doing my research on the car, and it consistenly beat Focus SVT (might've lost once) and all the other sport compacts other then the SRT-4. I don't want to trol, such misinformation tends to annoy me.

[AutoBox]

honestly i purchased my msp to commute to work everyday in....but i still wanted power, style and comforts,.....i got all that and more with my msp, i paided 17k for it so im not complaining....in 3 years ill sell it and get another car, til then, im gonna enjoy it and pay off the loan asap :)

[II-Savy]

I'm gunna have to go with Dex a bit on this one, lots of whining. Waa waa I want the shinny new toy now.

I'll tell you one thing you won't like.....replacing the clutch in that EVO.

I LOVE my MSP and I paid 18k for God's sake. But I got a kick ass car for 18k. What the hell would I have bought? I got nice paint, wheels, chrome muffler, kick ass radio, cornering, wing, TURBO, cool seats, sweet goodies inside

Autox's explination and complaints seem vauge to me......and I'll tell ya another thing, Morande Mazda in CT had almost every color in the book when I bought mine, Orange, Titainium, 2 blue and 2 yellow and I think a silver......guess what THEY ARE ALL GONE but the yellow's. They ARE selling.

Like people have been saying, sell it privately(sp) and go buy what you want.

Even though I rip on the Evo, I would totally take one at invoice.

[Leadfoot]

That or just keep and learn next time that tuned cars from the factory are prone to the same problems as tuned cars aftermarket
Truer words could not be spoken....I wish more people realized this...the nice thing is that it's under warranty.

[dupa12345]

M=SP^2 -- here is the latter i was talking about



http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=6569&page_number=3

[Autox MSP]

uhm i'm i'm trying to sell my car because of reliablity. Its the engine/tranny i dont like. The handling, build quality are all above average.

[Leadfoot]

Autox MSP....the way I look at it, in the end YOU are the one that has to be happy - your shelling out for the 2nd most expensive thing you'll ever buy, next to a house. If YOU are not happy w/ it, then you should move to another ride. As for selling it, the best way is to sell it yourself (I recommend www.Cars.com or www.Autotrader.com)...that's the most $$ you're gonna get for it, although you'll never get back what you put in. It's the major problem w/ buying a new car.

IMHO, I love the car, and the problems I've had are small potatoes compared to some of my previous cars. Plus, I've got 'til 70,000 miles for Mazda to fix my shit for me (extended warranty).

I wish you the best of luck, and hope that in the end, you end up w/ something that you are happy with in every aspect...just don't rush into anything. Good Luck!

[M=SP^2]

I'll take your one comparo and raise you two:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0306_3way/index4.html

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/100452/article.html

http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/2003/8/mighty_mites/

still annoys me to see the MSP lose to the neon (doh), I've learned to live with it

[dupa12345]

not to drag it on forever and get of subject here .. i wasnt really impressed with reviews of msp and all the comparos

what i meant to say is that to me there isnt really a car in that class right now thats worthwile

i trust caranddriver's assessment very much ... motor trend is kind of ok .. edmunds had a woman review the p5 if remember right and she had all the wrong priorities so im not even gonna talk about that .. the pm is hardly a review except for a poorly organized report of a shitload of information

thats just my thoughts .. really not trying to bash anyone here ... and i suppose it was harsh when i said that he didnt do his research .. sorry autox

but the point of that stmt was that these cars are bound for big depreciation

[FBI14]

What reliabilty issues do the MSP Engine and Tranny have?

[pdhaudio83]

wow, lots of posts in here. remember please stay OT, and (admin)

[Pkay]

Originally posted by Autox MSP
uhm i'm i'm trying to sell my car because of reliablity. Its the engine/tranny i dont like. The handling, build quality are all above average.

It's called a warranty.... use it.

[Zray]

Originally posted by M=SP^2
still annoys me to see the MSP lose to the neon (doh), I've learned to live with it Regardless of their power output, I'll always feel sorry for anyone I see behind the wheel of an SRT4. The neon has a massive suckness factor that just simply doesn't justify any amount of power... it's almost like they spent their research money making the interior suck as much as possible, along with the slow-as-hell shifter throws, nasty seats, super-bumpy ride and rolly-polly cornering. I wouldn't buy a SRT even for half the price... and you can bet they're spending a lot more time in the service department than the MSP's.

It's a shame... it would be so simple to design a better interior... I guess they just don't want to have to re-tool their manufacturing machines :P

[edit - sorry, back to the topic now :D

[Dexter]

i want taco bell.

[Autox MSP]

uhm no reliabity problems here.

[FBI14]

Originally posted by Autox MSP
uhm i'm i'm trying to sell my car because of reliablity. Its the engine/tranny i dont like. The handling, build quality are all above average.

Looks like your saying it has reliabilty issues

[Autox MSP]

oh well it came out wrong. read the back posts, i didn't mention any relibilty issues, just piss poor engineering.

[dupa12345]

piss poor engineering .. this is gonna run this thread for couple more pages .. hehe

[Minus]

yeah the msp sucks. the mp3 is l33t

hehe just stirring up more trouble.
but my only other cars that i actually like right now is the G35 and the mazda6 thats about it.. i looked at an evo and it ooh and ahh ends at the exterior body. the engine is nice i suppose but them rims are tiny and it has the ride height of my dodge dakota. for a sports car it seems that it has that economy flare to it. the carbon fiber wing is very nice i will give it that.

the interior although having recaros is still BLAH.. boring. im just not really that impressed with them. if you want a fast car that looks like a truck then an evo is for you. the sti on the other hand is the same damn thing just made by suburu. i say you get to work and order you an intercooler kit and some more odds and ends and be happy that you have a nice car as it is

[FBI14]

The problems you complain about that make you want to trade in the MSP have nothing to do with engineering.. Seat position Steering wheel position, pedal position?? these can hardly be called engineering problems.

[FBI14]

You want piss poor engineering
http://www.nbc10.com/consumeralert/2163813/detail.html
http://www.myvwlemon.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi

^^A site dedicated to VW Lemons

Edit: Im damn happy about owing a Mazda, Im not saying your going for a VW but suddenly things dont look so bad about owning a Mazda

[Autox MSP]

plastic intercooler pipe that leaks, my coolent hose that leaks, bov that leaks. weak tranny design, clunk thats not been fixed since mp3, horrible fuel map on the msp. Those are piss poor engineering. I can live with all the fluid leaking, even the intercooler pipes leaking, but what i can't live with is the tranny where it makes me wanna pull all my hair out when driving it.

every brand makes their share of lemons, even hondas. if are kidding yourself if mazdas are lemon proof.

Anyways, enough you guys trying to prove to me this car is great. You might think britney spears is hot, but i dont'. We all have differences in opinions.


someone lock this tread its worthless.

[hayula]

i've owned a p5 and now a mps and never had any problems with my cars. and this is regular stunt driving with both (ie. drifting into snow banks at 50mph, slamming into curbs while cornering) etc.

[hayula]

all i can say is LOL:
http://www.myvwlemon.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000047.html

[FBI14]

Im not saying the MSP is bullet Proof but you act as if its one of the poorest designed cars ever.... open your eyes every car has problems

Heres one of the most acclamied sports car ever produced and the shit that went wrong
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/lemon_site/tsbs.htm

Edit: your kidding yourself if your gonna find a car thats flawless for your every need or fit you just right

[FBI14]

Originally posted by hayula
all i can say is LOL:
http://www.myvwlemon.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000047.html

Yes I just read that too, Unbelieveable. Id rather have a knotchy shiter than that nightmare of a list such as that

[FBI14]

Evo problems/recalls

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34867
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread/t-37746.html
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33419

[Autox MSP]

i can care less about relibilty issues, i owned a highboost turbo civic for 3years. working on cars doen't phase me anymore. I know that mitsubshi is going to fall apart, not planing to keep it more thne 2 or 3 years as with all my cars.

Its like i'm on trial for wanting to sell the speed. If it makes you feel better to bash me, do so.

[Dexter]

this thread is worthless, someone lock it.

[FBI14]

You were complaing about the noises from the Speed and somehow over looked the page in the Evo site about the car making noises, ECU wires being defective isnt a engineering flaw nor is water screwing up the car?? I see your filmilar with the term Continuity

[Zray]

Britney Spears is hot. Oh wait, I only meant to think that, not type it... :p
Where is that damn thread lock already? (argh) :D

[daperspeed]

Originally posted by FBI14
Evo problems/recalls

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34867
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread/t-37746.html
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33419 (burnout) Thats Mitsubishi for you.

To the guy that started this thread: Dude there is NOTHING out there comes close performance wise to the MSP at the prices recent ones are being sold for...$15K-$17K.

Thats the price of a Hyuandai Elantra or a crappy Civic SI.

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by Dexter
this thread is worthless, someone lock it.
or send it to the dumpster

[speedfrk]

SRTs are shit evos and wrx are overpriced and the speed is a great ride. I also have every right to call " ASS MUNCHER" status on people whining becuase of thier lack of forsight and judgement.

[speedfrk]

Yeah lock this thing up!!!

[Pmpkinhead]

Ok, I'll give this thread some value. My 03 is totaled and they gave me 18k plus 1,400 for taxes. I owed 18,500. I bought another one for 17,500 and put 1,000 down. :D
XXXX (mspyellow

[BrianV]

http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/mazda/mazdaspeedprotege/100178606/prices.html?tid=edmunds.u.mipmake.pricetable.num1. 1.mazda*

[girth]

Originally posted by BrianV
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/mazda/mazdaspeedprotege/100178606/prices.html?tid=edmunds.u.mipmake.pricetable.num1. 1.mazda*

Haha, that "true market value" means dick. I remember when I bought my speed the dealer pointed me at it and said "look, the TMV is more than the sticker price!" It means NOTHING, trust me.

[Turbo Matty P]

TMV is a great tool. I used to steal my P5... i showed 'em TMV was $320 under invoice and they just said ok....lets do it!

[BrianV]

Well being that edmund's TMV, which I feel is a respectable number, is the only number available now, it may persuade the values of NADA and KBB.

I say, wait till early 2003 when the MSP's are all gone and the blue book price is available.

[kwiktsi]

Just to add my part- I traded my MSP in after 3 months and 7k miles in July and only got like $13k or $13.5 for it then. The value of this car dropped like a rock. I am possibly going to wait for a used one to pop up in a few months and buy it cheap :).
Joe

[NAVYMSP03]

SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THE CAR BEFORE YOU BOUGHT, GUESS YOU WILL THE NEXT TIME. OH AND BY THE WAY, A FRIEND OF MINE HAD A EVO AND LOVED IT TILL FOR ABOUT 5 MONTHS, WHEN ALL THE SUDDEN HIS TURBO BURNED UP DUE TO FACTORY MESS UP ON THE INSTALLATION. THE DEALERSHIP SAID HE BROKE IT AND HE HAD TO PAY FOR IT, LOOKS LIKE YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO GET AN EVO. LOOK AT THE WRX, ITS A SOLID CAR AND THERE ARE NO FACTORY RECALLS AS FAR AS I KNOW.

[Allen]

I saw a Evo break down on the side of the street the other day. Black Evo... being lifted on a service truck bed. No physcial signs of damage on the outside... no flat tire, nothing.... I hope the Evo's are not going to turn up with a problematic reputation. I had believed the EVO was the only car Mitsubishi made that was not on the same reliability level as their other vehicles.... but who would've guessed?