Spool MAZDSPEED Fuel computer [Archive]

505zoom

11-02-2003, 11:02 PM

What does the piggyback control? Can it adjust timing, or just fuel? Does it utilize the stock injectors, or will it require additional or larger injectors? Sorry for all the questions, but I am VERY interested in this, and it sounds like your first set of maps will be made for my car exactly. Keep up the good work, you guys rock:)

edit: I almost forgot, could I use a mac G4 laptop to tune the piggyback? I have a broken VAIO laptop that I could have fixed, but I would rather not...it sucks.

Miques

11-03-2003, 03:28 AM

sorry just posting to get an email when someone replies. I want one.

jrodhotrod

11-03-2003, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by xelderx
Everybody sing with me....

Spool is great

Give us the chocolate cake

I love Bill Cosby

Singing right along with you (friday)

Looking forward to details, and the mod list sounds a lot like where I am gonna be...

Dexter

11-03-2003, 03:53 AM

oh very, very sweet.

tuning from the carputer would be very nice :)

MikeyK 5

11-03-2003, 04:07 AM

Bry, that would be kick ass!

falkofire

11-03-2003, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by 505zoom
What does the piggyback control? Can it adjust timing, or just fuel? Does it utilize the stock injectors, or will it require additional or larger injectors? Sorry for all the questions, but I am VERY interested in this, and it sounds like your first set of maps will be made for my car exactly. Keep up the good work, you guys rock:)

edit: I almost forgot, could I use a mac G4 laptop to tune the piggyback? I have a broken VAIO laptop that I could have fixed, but I would rather not...it sucks.

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
We will have available in 2 weeks a high resolution piggy back fuel computer that will alleviate all fuel problems that the Mazdaspeeds are currently experiencing.

Expect pricing to be in the realm of $500-$700

These computers will be pre tuned specifically for the MSP

Stay tuned for dyno sheets and A/F results:D

from my understanding it will not adjust timing..or he would have mentioned it, and it would be more expensive....also I believe that it utilizes stock injectors...or again he would have said something and the price would not be there.
just trying to help out..:D

oldschool

11-03-2003, 08:25 AM

(drinks) (yippy) (yippy) (yippy) (yippy) Finally, a step in the right direction. THANKS Spool!!

lamp3

11-03-2003, 08:39 AM

SPOOL, I love you man!! We all need to pol some cash and send him a couple hookers and a case of beer. You know to help him relax!! He'll work better ;) Couple Q's. Wil it be plug and play?? Hope so. Also will there possibly be a way to tune it without a laptop? Don't have one nor the cash to get one. Possibly tune with a pda or something like that???

GI-

11-03-2003, 10:14 AM

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, etc...

Terry rules, Terry rules, Terry rules, Terry rules, Terry rules, etc...

I think you get the point!

laracroft

11-03-2003, 11:36 AM

You are sooooo the man. Guess I know where MY tax $$$ is going. lol

brianmcd

11-03-2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Miques
sorry just posting to get an email when someone replies. I want one.

You can just click the "subscribe to this thread" button near the bottom, and you'll get an e-mail any time someone replies.

~brian

Leadfoot

11-03-2003, 12:16 PM

THANK YOU SPOOL!!!!!

(now PLEASE GOD....LET ME GET SOME MONEY!!!!!)

David MPS

11-03-2003, 01:16 PM

:eek: :eek: :eek:

500$ - 700$US COOOOOOOOOOLLL

sound very nice !!!

I hope the dynos will be good !!

spoolinmp3

11-03-2003, 04:47 PM

Will you be able to download maps (and at additional cost?) if you are stock now, and plan to be adding things down the line? Yes:) SPOOL, I love you man!! We all need to pol some cash and send him a couple hookers and a case of beer. You know to help him relax!! He'll work better Couple Q's. Wil it be plug and play?? Hope so. Also will there possibly be a way to tune it without a laptop? Don't have one nor the cash to get one. Possibly tune with a pda or something like that??? The lord knows I need that:p
I work to much:) from my understanding it will not adjust timing..or he would have mentioned it, and it would be more expensive....also I believe that it utilizes stock injectors...or again he would have said something and the price would not be there. You are absolutley correct

SOSPEED

11-03-2003, 04:48 PM

Can this piggyback be used on cars that are flashed or is this for unflashed ecu's or does it even matter? Also will the piggyback have to be spliced in or will it be a plug in unit? And you say the unit will be able to support up to 15 psi.. Now is that a safe psi to be at with stock rods and pistons with mods as well???

azian6er

11-03-2003, 05:32 PM

Spool------

so this piggyback will only deal with fuel correct? And it comes with a map that is tuned for fmic exhaust and a cai? What boost will it be tuned for? I know it wont be tuned for 15 psi because that would be danger to the stock internals. you said it could be tuned up to 15 psi... what does this mean exactly.

Also, can boost be altered in any way by this unit? Will a fuel cut defender need to be used in conjunction with this unit to run higher than max maf flow (ie 11 psi?)

--B

twiztedjeckel

11-03-2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by SOSPEED
Can this piggyback be used on cars that are flashed or is this for unflashed ecu's or does it even matter? Also will the piggyback have to be spliced in or will it be a plug in unit? And you say the unit will be able to support up to 15 psi.. Now is that a safe psi to be at with stock rods and pistons with mods as well???

mighty fine questions,

Terry?

Larone

11-03-2003, 10:34 PM

This is really good news. I've never ised piggy backs before so I'll have a few questions. Where exactly does it plug in? And will I have to do any programming whatsoever? Or do I just install it (whereever it is installed) and whenever I decide to run different settings it will automatically adjust? Terry, you said it will be for 15psi + FMIC + exhaust + CAI...does this mean if I'm running an SRI + different size FMIC from Spool's + Different size exhaust than Spool's + say 13psi I wont be able to use this? I think I need like a FAQs on piggy backs...any around here?
The other thing too is, I am also concerned about the pistons and rods being able to sustain these settings. Any input on this front? Thanks.

MP3skaterNC

11-03-2003, 10:48 PM

the emanage will control the fuel on flashed or unflashed mps, the flashed ones will not be able to run as high boost since they have slightly advanced timing over the unflashed ones.

when he says that the maps will be adjusted up to 15psi, that means it will work for all boost ranges below 15. on my emanage its currently tuned for 12psi, however im only running 7-8. it will use a pressure sensor to determine the amount of boost that you are running, and which map to run off of. also with the use of the communications tool, and a laptop you can self tune it to your specific mods if you have a wideband.

i hope that answered some of your questions.

lamp3

11-03-2003, 10:54 PM

So does it come with a plug and play harness?? this is a big thing for me.

Larone

11-03-2003, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by MP3skaterNC
the emanage will control the fuel on flashed or unflashed mps, the flashed ones will not be able to run as high boost since they have slightly advanced timing over the unflashed ones.

when he says that the maps will be adjusted up to 15psi, that means it will work for all boost ranges below 15. on my emanage its currently tuned for 12psi, however im only running 7-8. it will use a pressure sensor to determine the amount of boost that you are running, and which map to run off of. also with the use of the communications tool, and a laptop you can self tune it to your specific mods if you have a wideband.

i hope that answered some of your questions.

You answered my questions perfectly. Thanks. I'm still confused why flashed cars can't run as high boost as unflashed cars though. I mean, the timing is advanced so that means combustion in the cylinders occurs earlier - so how does that prevent running the same levels of boost otherwise?

MP3skaterNC

11-03-2003, 11:12 PM

it increases the chance for detonation to occur. if its happening before you want it to, like when the piston is in a down position, bad things happen.

505zoom

11-03-2003, 11:29 PM

What kind of software/hardware is needed to tune this piggyback???

Larone

11-04-2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by MP3skaterNC
it increases the chance for detonation to occur. if its happening before you want it to, like when the piston is in a down position, bad things happen.

So then is there a maximum boost level that flashed cars can run and if so what is it?

brianmcd

11-04-2003, 11:19 AM

So if I'm thinking of getting the flash, I should wait and get this instead? This will fix the hesitation by leaning out the mixture, correct?

~brian

TiGrayMsp716

11-04-2003, 01:46 PM

Hmmm.... sounds tempting for a first mod.

spoolinmp3

11-04-2003, 08:38 PM

so this piggyback will only deal with fuel correct? And it comes with a map that is tuned for fmic exhaust and a cai? What boost will it be tuned for? I know it wont be tuned for 15 psi because that would be danger to the stock internals. you said it could be tuned up to 15 psi... what does this mean exactly.
It will be tuned up to 15psi,
this is doen just in case there are boost spikes ect. I would not recommend running more than 14psi with a non flashed car
Also, can boost be altered in any way by this unit? Will a fuel cut defender need to be used in conjunction with this unit to run higher than max maf flow (ie 11 psi?)
The ecu will have a fuel cut defender built in:) This is really good news. I've never used piggy backs before so I'll have a few questions. Where exactly does it plug in? And will I have to do any programming whatsoever? Or do I just install it (whereever it is installed) and whenever I decide to run different settings it will automatically adjust? Terry, if I'm running an SRI + differyou said it will be for 15psi + FMIC + exhaust + CAI...does this mean ent size FMIC from Spool's + Different size exhaust than Spool's + say 13psi I wont be able to use this? I think I need like a FAQs on piggy backs...any around here?
No the unit will not automatically adjust.
Minor changes like a SRI vs CAI are pretty much irrelevant in terms of changing fuel requirements of the ecu.

It will require no adjusting or tuning, it will be spliced into the cars ecu via 8 wires
Terry, you said it will be for 15psi + FMIC + exhaust + CAI...does this mean if I'm running an SRI + different size FMIC from Spool's + Different size exhaust than Spool's + say 13psi I wont be able to use this? Yes again for the most part it will not greatly affect fuel requirements.when he says that the maps will be adjusted up to 15psi, that means it will work for all boost ranges below 15. exactly:) also with the use of the communications tool, and a laptop you can self tune it to your specific mods if you have a wideband This is possible but not recommended if you have no tuning experience. Any error inputs and boom you can blow a motor easily.
So then is there a maximum boost level that flashed cars can run and if so what is it? About 9psi vs 13-14psi on a un flashed car with proper supporting modsSo if I'm thinking of getting the flash, I should wait and get this instead? This will fix the hesitation by leaning out the mixture, correct? Yes it will......whatever you do DONT FLASH YOUR CAR!!!
unless you plan on staying at stock boost forever

Bremmer

11-04-2003, 08:42 PM

Too late for me... fuck!....is there anyway I can get "unflashed"?:(

jersey_emt

11-04-2003, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Bremmer
Too late for me... fuck!....is there anyway I can get "unflashed"?:(

Swap ECU's with someone who isn't flashed. Or get something that can control timing.

Notorious

11-04-2003, 08:53 PM

whats gonna be the solution for people who are already flashed?

spoolinmp3

11-04-2003, 08:57 PM

We are working on that:)

Focus

11-04-2003, 09:01 PM

Is this setup based on a Greddy emanage platform?

lamp3

11-04-2003, 09:05 PM

Spools the man! Period. Spool, so we're gonna have to splice it in??? Sure would be sweet if it were plug and play. ... But I guess beggers can't be choosers... =)

ARunto

11-04-2003, 09:39 PM

what if we have a e-manage unit already? can we get the other things needed to get it to work properly?

Dexter

11-04-2003, 09:43 PM

damn glad i havent had the chance to get mine flashed :)

brianmcd

11-04-2003, 10:02 PM

yeah same dex. terry, lemme know if you need a test car for anything. I live in richmond so I'm really close to you guys. Car is 100% stock right now. If you need it for tuning or testing, lemme know!

~brian

David MPS

11-05-2003, 02:20 PM

good news, but my car are flashed...........:(

505zoom

11-05-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by 505zoom
What kind of software/hardware is needed to tune this piggyback???

I will ask AGAIN...

Little Beavis

11-05-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Notorious
whats gonna be the solution for people who are already flashed?

J&S safeguard would cover timing and give you an extra margin of safety in case you get some "bad gas" at the pumps. It will certainly protect your motor and allow you to take timing out.

SOSPEED

11-05-2003, 04:31 PM

#1 But i wonder what will be the power out put with the piggy back install between a flashed car at itsmax boost and a unflashed car at max boost.
#2 Also for peolpe who have the flash how much power would they see out ofthis piggy back since its really for the unflashed ecus
#3 You say the piggy back is programed to compensate for add on like a FMIC, CAI, Cat Back and so on, Well with those add ons and the power gained from the piggy back and the car set to max psi wouldnt the engine go BOOM.. After all of those mods the engine should be putting out over 220, at my guess or more, and i hear that thats the most you would want to be pushing to be safe.

turboge

11-05-2003, 07:51 PM

Since you're still using the factory timing maps you will be limited to maximum power. It's only a fuel solution, it will smooth the car out and pickup decent gains but you'll still be missing that edge of performance gained by advanced timing in the right areas.

I'd like to see the progress in development for the MSP... if anyone has one and its running I'll help them tune it.

Dexter

11-05-2003, 07:56 PM

can you use the J&S to run advance timing in addition to retard, or is it only a retard.

or i could just go check myself. duh.

okay, it only looks like timing retard to me. in that case...if you didnt want to go standalone ECU, woudlnt it be better to get the flash (adv. timing), get the J&S (to retard timing when det), and get this spool fuel computer?

turboge

11-05-2003, 08:03 PM

Or just buy a standalone and quit buying piggy backs ;)

J&S only retards.... I'm going to install one tomorrow night and finalize my timing maps so I have them close to the edge with maximum performance.

Dexter

11-05-2003, 08:47 PM

yeah, i know standalone is the real way to go. i was just throwing that out as an option for those who dont want to go down that path.

SOSPEED

11-06-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by SOSPEED
#1 But i wonder what will be the power out put with the piggy back install between a flashed car at itsmax boost and a unflashed car at max boost.
#2 Also for peolpe who have the flash how much power would they see out ofthis piggy back since its really for the unflashed ecus
#3 You say the piggy back is programed to compensate for add on like a FMIC, CAI, Cat Back and so on, Well with those add ons and the power gained from the piggy back and the car set to max psi wouldnt the engine go BOOM.. After all of those mods the engine should be putting out over 220, at my guess or more, and i hear that thats the most you would want to be pushing to be safe.

BUMP!!!

spoolinmp3

11-06-2003, 09:05 PM

Spools the man! Period. Spool, so we're gonna have to splice it in??? Sure would be sweet if it were plug and play. ... But I guess beggers can't be choosers... =) It will splice in with 11 wires

what if we have a e-manage unit already? can we get the other things needed to get it to work properly? Yes you will need to send us your unit so we can callibrate it and solder some diodes and upload the MAPS. If you are interested PM me and I can give you pricing
yeah same dex. terry, lemme know if you need a test car for anything. I live in richmond so I'm really close to you guys. Car is 100% stock right now. If you need it for tuning or testing, lemme know! Thanks for the offer......u have PM:) I will ask AGAIN... The software is not available to NON-Greddy authorized tuners. You can find some stuff on the net. Or you can buy the EO-1 boost controoler and tune the emanage with thatJ&S safeguard would cover timing and give you an extra margin of safety in case you get some "bad gas" at the pumps. It will certainly protect your motor and allow you to take timing out. We actually will be playing with a few settings to try to manipulate timing on the cars#1 But i wonder what will be the power out put with the piggy back install between a flashed car at itsmax boost and a unflashed car at max boost. It will be slight....however you will not be run as high boost with a flashed car

spoolinmp3

11-06-2003, 09:13 PM

#2 Also for peolpe who have the flash how much power would they see out ofthis piggy back since its really for the unflashed ecus It will be for both ecu's
Just again you cannot run as high boost with the flashed ecu. 10 psi will be your limit with the piggy back#3 You say the piggy back is programed to compensate for add on like a FMIC, CAI, Cat Back and so on, Well with those add ons and the power gained from the piggy back and the car set to max psi wouldnt the engine go BOOM.. After all of those mods the engine should be putting out over 220, at my guess or more, and i hear that thats the most you would want to be pushing to be safe. The piggyback will be tuned for these mods. Unlike a stock ecu with these mods we will be running safer since the air fuel ratios will be safer than a stock ecu. Also the limit of the FS motor is not 220whp. I have been running 230whp plus for well over a year now on my car
Also a FMIC, CAI and exhaust are all saftey mods if you want to look at it that way. The FMIC further cools down the charged air and keeps it that way, The exhaust releases capped up back pressure. We are not adding stressers to the motor like nitrous.
The limit on these cars will be in the realm of 240-260whp on stock internals.
And with a fine tuned ecu you are raising the threshold for boost and power since you are accuratley controlling things instead of just dumping fuel or advancing timing as mazda chose to do with the reflash:)

jersey_emt

11-06-2003, 09:14 PM

This all sounds like some great news!! I think this will be my next mod (instead of exhaust). It will give me a properly tuned fuel map, and not make any more noise than what it does now, so it will be 'sleeper' power!

David MPS

11-06-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
It will be for both ecu's
Just again you cannot run as high boost with the flashed ecu. 10 psi will be your limit with the piggy back The piggyback will be tuned for these mods.

Shit !

I know, I think it's safe to run 10 psi with the Stock ECU.

You says, it's 10psi the limit for the flashed car, so, what is the avantage to use your piggyback if you says I can't boost more than 10psi ?

And, can I use your piggyback and "play" with my boost , like a Profec-B , Lo and Hi setting ? Or it's for XX psi and don't drop or boost up with the mapping you have uploaded in the piggyback ?

turboge

11-06-2003, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
Yes you will need to send us your unit so we can callibrate it and solder some diodes and upload the MAPS. If you are interested PM me and I can give you pricing

I have firmware 1.33 and 1.36 available, what exactly would one need to solder where in order for it to work on an MSP? I was told that the install is fairly straightforward and required no additional resistors or diodes?

If I wanted to install those myself, would you be able to provide the schematic for it? Is it really necessary?

turboge

11-07-2003, 07:43 PM

Well after talking to GReddy and a number of reputable e-manage installers I have found that all of the new e-manage systems come with a seperate bag filled with a proj box and a 1000 ohm resistor that you tie into the MAF line and the ECU to dampen the MAF signal and allow the e-manage to function correctly.

I'll start another thread on my progress with the e-manage system shortly. All map files will be available and any research will be thoroughly shared as with all my other projects with the MSP.

Larone

11-07-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by turboge
Well after talking to GReddy and a number of reputable e-manage installers I have found that all of the new e-manage systems come with a seperate bag filled with a proj box and a 1000 ohm resistor that you tie into the MAF line and the ECU to dampen the MAF signal and allow the e-manage to function correctly.

I'll start another thread on my progress with the e-manage system shortly. All map files will be available and any research will be thoroughly shared as with all my other projects with the MSP.

You're a true tuner.

BinaryRotary

11-07-2003, 10:18 PM

Looks like Spool and Turboge are the real tuners on this board.

jersey_emt

11-07-2003, 11:48 PM

Yeah, I've PMed turboge a couple of times, and he's given me nothing but great information. I'm not doubting Spool's knowledge either...I respect all of the real tuners on this board (we all know who they are).

I'm new to modifying cars, and a lot of the stuff I've learned has been from turboge/spool/ion/perfworks/mpnick/etc...I'm forever grateful.

Larone

11-08-2003, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by jersey_emt
Yeah, I've PMed turboge a couple of times, and he's given me nothing but great information. I'm not doubting Spool's knowledge either...I respect all of the real tuners on this board (we all know who they are).

I'm new to modifying cars, and a lot of the stuff I've learned has been from turboge/spool/ion/perfworks/mpnick/etc...I'm forever grateful.

I agree with you 100%...these guys really know what they're doing.

jus10 msp

11-08-2003, 08:15 AM

hey guys and girls. i can't wait until next weekend so terry and i can do the spool mazdaseed fuel computer. i will let everyone know how its doing.

thanks

justin h.

spoolinmp3

11-08-2003, 01:52 PM

We are looking foward to this computer and we have some intiall tricks our sleeve to give ya'll even more value for your money:D

The final pricing on the unit will be $599
This will include maps, support, instructions, all sensors, harness's and the piggy back unit.

I will keep everyone updated:cool:

turboge

11-08-2003, 02:29 PM

Did you figure out how to get the timing control to work yet? ;)

Notorious

11-08-2003, 04:05 PM

Awesome guys, keep it up!

Larone

11-08-2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by turboge
Did you figure out how to get the timing control to work yet? ;)

Are you referring to retarding the timing on flashed cars here? If not, that's my question to Terry.

David MPS

11-08-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
We are looking foward to this computer and we have some intiall tricks our sleeve to give ya'll even more value for your money:D

The final pricing on the unit will be $599
This will include maps, support, instructions, all sensors, harness's and the piggy back unit.

I will keep everyone updated:cool:

nice!!!!!!!! :cool:

I'm waiting news for update for MSP with ECU flash........ :D

turboge

11-08-2003, 09:33 PM

The MSP flash is not a big problem, I just ran 13psi today with only fuel control and it ran fine.

David MPS

11-08-2003, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by turboge
The MSP flash is not a big problem, I just ran 13psi today with only fuel control and it ran fine.

ok, but why Spool said the piggyback are not for the MSP Flashed ?:confused:

azian6er

11-08-2003, 10:49 PM

Turboge......

So with forged internals (stock compression JE pistons, pauter rods) and an FCD, What do you think is a resonable boost level to be able to run if one does have a flash and without other engine management?

Also, with proper fueling, i.e. this piggy back, do you think that 13-15 psi is an acceptable and safe boost level?

Also, I read in another thread that with the micrtech standalone an alternator needs to be replaced... is this true?

Also, what standalone would you recommend, haltech e6k, e6x, microtech, or just a piggy back like spools?

What is the best price for one of these units for what it can do?

Also, If a haltech unit is purchased, would an external 3 bar map sensor be needed, or can the stock sensor deal with the increased boost level?

Thanks,
-B

turboge

11-09-2003, 01:15 AM

Azian,

I wouldn't waste money on internals without going to a alternative fuel/timing management. You could run 12psi on that and still melt it because of the stock setup.

Yes the microtech full install requires that, not sure about the parrallel setup of it. I think the E6x is enough for the MSP. The e-manage is decent, I'll be tuning one shortly.

The haltech would need a 2 or 3-bar MAP and its included in my kits. Check out my haltech thread in this forum and it should answer most of your other questions.

SOSPEED

11-10-2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by David MPS
ok, but why Spool said the piggyback are not for the MSP Flashed ?:confused:

Spool never said that the piggy back is not for the Flashed ECUs. He just said that you cant ran as high of a boost if your ECU has been flashed.

turboge

11-10-2003, 04:32 PM

I don't understand why not... I ran 13psi without detonation on 91 octane with the flashed timing... albeit i had to drown the detonation out with fuel ;)

Dexter

11-10-2003, 04:34 PM

maybe the stock injectors cant provide enough fuel at that psi and octane?

turboge

11-10-2003, 04:58 PM

Nope, they were good up to about 4500 rpm, then say hello to "open injector"

David MPS

11-10-2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by SOSPEED
Spool never said that the piggy back is not for the Flashed ECUs. He just said that you cant ran as high of a boost if your ECU has been flashed.

ok.

So, why would I buy it ? Have it a gain to get it ?

Larone

11-10-2003, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by turboge
Nope, they were good up to about 4500 rpm, then say hello to "open injector"

What do you mean by "open injector"? And how do you "drown out the detonation with fuel"?

Striker187

11-10-2003, 07:54 PM

by adding more fuel, you decrease the chance of the mixture pre-igniting (i.e. detonation).

hukster00

11-10-2003, 07:54 PM

open injectors mean you are runing them at 100% duty cycle wich at 4.5k rpm is bad :p

Dexter

11-10-2003, 08:01 PM

yeah, exactly.

Emode

11-10-2003, 09:40 PM

EDIT: Emode is slow in the head............

Dexter

11-10-2003, 09:42 PM

...100%.....

spoolinmp3

11-10-2003, 10:45 PM

So, why would I buy it ? Have it a gain to get it ? This computer will eliminate all hesitation on flashed or non flashed cars. That alone will be worth the price of admission:D
The MSP on the wideband runs below 10:1 a/f ratios, this is horrible for performance and not to mention gas consumption. Our remapped piggy will keep the fuel levels in the 12.0 to 12.2 a/f range. This will increase performance and more importantly driveability on both flashed and non flashed ecu's by promoting a more linear power curve;)

prospeed

11-10-2003, 11:49 PM

you have me very tempted on this one. just not sure i want to splice wires. i need it quick disconnect.

jersey_emt

11-10-2003, 11:56 PM

Then make it quick disconnect yourself with a few bucks of hardware :)

prospeed

11-11-2003, 12:00 AM

true i could come up wth something. just needs to be removable in 5min. like mbc so if i need to go to the dealer.

turboge

11-11-2003, 12:14 AM

You couldn't even tell it was there in most cases.

prospeed

11-11-2003, 12:20 AM

i never had have a car in for warranty work. never had new car and i allways work on my own car. just dont trust a dealer tech snooping around and find it. i am already attracting attention with the fmic and exhaust.

turboge

11-11-2003, 12:28 AM

I took my car to the dealer with my haltech installed, CAI, MBC, 3" Exhaust..... no problems.

prospeed

11-11-2003, 12:39 AM

when i went to the dealer tech were asking me questions about my car and asked if i had a boost controller. ofcourse i said no and they said it would kill my warranty so i dont really want to take a chance.they were cool with the intake fmic and exhaust but not a boost controller which i can understand

MP3skaterNC

11-11-2003, 12:45 AM

if the emanage is well hidden, and your not doing anything like getting a flash, i doubt they would be able to see it.

David MPS

11-11-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
This computer will eliminate all hesitation on flashed or non flashed cars. That alone will be worth the price of admission:D
The MSP on the wideband runs below 10:1 a/f ratios, this is horrible for performance and not to mention gas consumption. Our remapped piggy will keep the fuel levels in the 12.0 to 12.2 a/f range. This will increase performance and more importantly driveability on both flashed and non flashed ecu's by promoting a more linear power curve;)

Excellent ! :D

After the FMIC...........SPOOL Mazdaspeed Fuel Computer ! :)

jersey_emt

11-11-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by David MPS
Excellent ! :D

After the FMIC...........SPOOL Mazdaspeed Fuel Computer ! :)

I would go for the fuel computer first, before the FMIC. A properly tuned fuel map does wonders for overall performance and driveability.

Larone

11-11-2003, 09:13 AM

OK so when will there be a solution to retard the timing on the flashed cars so that when we get the Emanage programmed from spool we can add more boost? And why is it so difficult for someone (I'm hinting to Terry here) to come up with something like this? I hate my gas mileage :) (that's not the reason I'm complaining though :))

kwiktsi

11-11-2003, 02:35 PM

whatever you do DONT FLASH YOUR CAR!!!
unless you plan on staying at stock boost forever

not that the fuel controller isn't interesting- but this is my favorite line in this whole thread... Something about saying "told you so" makes me feel all warm and tingly :).. Lol, seriousy- at least there is someone else in the know who agrees :).. Remember- no going back- this is why a few of us have said from day one that the flash is a burden more than a blessing.

Anyway- Good work Terry!!
Joe

Zray

11-11-2003, 02:49 PM

I have an idea... anyone know how hot it gets at the wiring harness connection point? Or if this location is vulnerable to moisture, dirt, etc...

turboge

11-11-2003, 02:52 PM

Its warm, but not hot. It's definately not weatherproof but its hard to get liquid in there.

Zray

11-11-2003, 03:01 PM

Would you guess over or under 100 degree F?

turboge

11-11-2003, 03:36 PM

Under.

Delivery_Guy

11-12-2003, 10:44 PM

Hey Spoolin,

Will this thing address the issues that are being discussed in this thread?

Crazy choking power loss (http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39126)

Thanks,

Joe

spoolinmp3

11-12-2003, 10:51 PM

Will this thing address the issues that are being discussed in this thread? I cannot really comment at this time since we did not do enough testing regarding this. I would imaginethat we can get rid of this to a certain extent. I will have a better update for ya'll friday. I have noticed this bucking as well and its very annoying. It looks like crappy fuel and timing maps are the culprit. If you install a standalone and fabricate fuel and timing maps from scratch, in the initial rough tuning stages you will get this by product. I think Mazda North America really rushed this ecu and did not put enough R&D into it. Only time will tell if we can fix this:D not that the fuel controller isn't interesting- but this is my favorite line in this whole thread... Something about saying "told you so" makes me feel all warm and tingly .. Lol, seriousy- at least there is someone else in the know who agrees .. Remember- no going back- this is why a few of us have said from day one that the flash is a burden more than a blessing. Hahaha yeah I was a bit skeptical myself intially. Thanks for the props:) OK so when will there be a solution to retard the timing on the flashed cars so that when we get the Emanage programmed from spool we can add more boost? And why is it so difficult for someone (I'm hinting to Terry here) to come up with something like this? I hate my gas mileage (that's not the reason I'm complaining though ) I am really working to get timing retard operational, if this is possible then the flashed cars can be reworked to accept more boost:)

505zoom

11-12-2003, 10:54 PM

I am so down for this piggyback, please bring us good news.

Delivery_Guy

11-12-2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
It looks like crappy fuel and timing maps are the culprit. If you install a standalone and fabricate fuel and timing maps from scratch, in the initial rough tuning stages you will get this by product. I think Mazda North America really rushed this ecu and did not put enough R&D into it.

You mean our cars have crappy fuel and timing maps? (argh)

I guess all I have to say is, work hard...please...work very hard.

Chris@Spool

11-14-2003, 02:07 AM

I guess all I have to say is, work hard...please...work very hard. We will:D
Tommorow we will be busy plugging away on Justins Speed and finalize fuel maps. We will post results soon;)

jflo

11-14-2003, 02:36 AM

oh my gawsh oh my gawsh that S15 is gonna eat all the MSPs ALIVE !!! me wantee....

jflo

11-14-2003, 02:36 AM

oops, i mean....yes get that piggy back working. i'm gonna have this car for the next 5 years and probably the 3rd year i'mma get this ! hehehe :)

CHICO2003

12-04-2003, 02:59 PM

I definitely want in on this as well! Can't wait to see the results!

GI-

12-04-2003, 03:03 PM

Too late now dude! Terry sold the business!

CHICO2003

12-04-2003, 03:15 PM

OH SHIT!!!! that sucks... only read the first couple pages of this thread... had no idea!! really sucks...

GI-

12-04-2003, 03:20 PM

Yeah it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

turboge

12-04-2003, 03:33 PM

I'll have my e-manage in next week... I'll have wiring diagrams and mapping info following.

Speedy

12-04-2003, 03:45 PM

where did you get all those info from and where could I purchase it. I want it bad.

turboge

12-04-2003, 05:43 PM

I will have it open to the public when I am finished, I might possibly have pre-packaged deals as well but we will know more after I finish tuning it.

Watch the Forced Induction forum for more news on my progress.

Delivery_Guy

12-04-2003, 06:53 PM

This might be a dumb question, but will the E-manage control larger injectors?

Also, thanks turboge for working on this.

MP3skaterNC

12-04-2003, 06:55 PM

Yes it will control larger injectors. Im running 400cc's in my car right now.

turboge

12-04-2003, 06:55 PM

Yes it can control up to 150% larger injectors. I'll probably test out my 460's if no one buys them before i get to tuning bigger injectors.

turboge

12-04-2003, 06:56 PM

MP3Skater I lost the PM but which settings did you have on the 3 knobs inside the e-manage..something like 3-A-2 or close to that?

Speedy

12-04-2003, 07:05 PM

Good Luck guys, hope to hear from you soon.

CustomMSP

12-05-2003, 04:37 PM

What happend with Terry? That's not good...

InsidiousMSP

12-05-2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by turboge
MP3Skater I lost the PM but which settings did you have on the 3 knobs inside the e-manage..something like 3-A-2 or close to that?

turboge, you read my PM but did not reply about the e-manage? :confused:

Anyway, from what chooch has told me, it should be 3-A-1.

alexlitov

12-05-2003, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by CustomMSP
What happend with Terry? That's not good...

There are like 3 threads about that now...

CustomMSP

12-05-2003, 04:49 PM

jrodhotrod

12-05-2003, 08:54 PM

InsidiousMSP, awesome picture in your sig.

slug420

12-05-2003, 10:11 PM

omg yes, i just noticed that

03MSPRO

12-05-2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by GI-
Too late now dude! Terry sold the business!

When did he sell the business?
I e-mailed him 2 weeks ago, before I bought my Thermal exhaust about buying his 2.5" exhaust and he said that they were making some more and he could take me order, but I decided to go with Thermal. :confused:

Speedy

12-08-2003, 01:00 PM

So is there any news for the E-manage for the Mazdaspeed yet?

turboge

12-08-2003, 01:06 PM

If I get around to it, I should have my e-manage installed by thursday. More news after that.

speedfrk

12-09-2003, 02:03 AM

Hey Turboge I also live in santa clarita . Would love to see your setup some time . If it helps any I have read some cars need a special ignition driver module to go between the e-manage and the ignition coils ? Not sure if this would apply to our setups should be interesting to find out.

turboge

12-09-2003, 10:38 AM

Right on, what are you driving?

PM me and we'll hook up later this week and I can give you a demo of the setup. I've also read about the special driver needed however multiple users have confirmed that the ignition control is plug & play, I guess I'll find out and settle it once and for all...

(The car runs like ass without timing changes) the power gains are slight with fuel mods, but timing is where its at.

speedfrk

12-09-2003, 10:15 PM

I have a titanium 2003.5 msp. I am also a ford tech . I do electrical. I know that I have read that some of the fords need a driver module as a go between for the ignition portion. not sure if this would apply to the mazdas?

turboge

12-09-2003, 10:42 PM

Right on, my roomate told me he's friends with a chick that drives a 03.5 titanium that lives in Canyon Country. I haven't spotted it yet.

speedfrk

12-09-2003, 11:16 PM

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~twilson2800/greddy.htm
Here something is mentioned about the ignition for setup on a contour.

turboge

12-09-2003, 11:31 PM

Yeah I've already read all of the contour / focus stuff. However our ECU is not quite the same. I'll know more this weekend when I do the haltech to e-manage swap. You busy?

CarlM2

12-09-2003, 11:34 PM

If I were anywhere near CA, I'd be begging to help with this project.

Turboge, will you start another thread with your results?

turboge

12-09-2003, 11:38 PM

Already working on it. Will start with pictures of everything tomorrow. I've finished my wiring schematics and will be working on the install guide as it goes.

speedfrk

12-10-2003, 12:05 AM

I have alot of stuff going on this weekend but maybe I can try to find a free moment. Pm me if you have a # I can reach you at. Does anyone know if the ecu is known for fighting added programming changes like those setup by the e-manage. I know some of the fords do this . do you have a wideband o2 for tuning ?

CustomMSP

12-10-2003, 12:08 AM

You are greatly appriciated for all you time and efford sir.

SirJaime

12-10-2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
We will have available in 2 weeks a high resolution piggy back fuel computer that will alleviate all fuel problems that the Mazdaspeeds are currently experiencing.

Expect pricing to be in the realm of $500-$700

These computers will be pre tuned specifically for the MSP

Stay tuned for dyno sheets and A/F results:D

HEY SPOOLINMP3 , It looks like you have some kind of affiliation with Spool Innovation Turbo !

WELL Then ! WHY THE HELL WILL YOU NOT ANSWER THE E-MAIL ABOUT MY REFUND ! ! ! AND YOUR PHUKIN REBATE CHECK BOUNCED ! For a lousy $13. It Bounced ! ! !

Emode

12-10-2003, 12:23 AM

dude
theres a whole thread about spool in the off topic section
this thread is about e manage
thanks

turboge

12-10-2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by speedfrk
I have alot of stuff going on this weekend but maybe I can try to find a free moment. Pm me if you have a # I can reach you at. Does anyone know if the ecu is known for fighting added programming changes like those setup by the e-manage. I know some of the fords do this . do you have a wideband o2 for tuning ?

When i watch the trims when I take over with the haltech they start to change, however as long as they are within spec on closed loop it has no bearing on long term fuel trim holding. Basically under boost we are free for changes, or anything causing the ECU to go into OPEN loop.

Thats what's nice about the e-manage, I can modify the boost curve and leave the cruise curve as it is without wigging out the stock computer. Now getting that to be smooth without any problems is where it comes to a wall ;)

Yes I do have a wideband o2. Check the sig.