Double Din Car Computer

[Captain KRM P5]

As stated in another carputer thread on the forum, Dexter and I are working on a prototype double din sized car computer. We're in the prototype stages right now and trying to gauge interest in such a product. The computer is being designed to be as close to plug and play as possible, so that ease of installation, functionality and "OEM" look is all achieved.

This unit will be a complete package, no piecing anything together. The planned unit will eliminate the stock head unit and have the following functions and hardware;

* Built in TV / FM Radio tuner
* 1.0 Ghz main processor
* 512 MB of RAM
* 60 GB hard drive
* DVD ROM drive, with movie playback
* 7 inch LCD touchscreen (no need for a mouse)
* OBD II reader (read ECU codes, clear CEL, etc)
* internal amp
* Global Positioning Satellite (GPS)
* Wireless (WiFi) networking
* additional RCA A/V input, and USB device input

We are considering offering different options and customization, but this represents a good idea of what a "top of the line" and COMPLETE system would offer.

We are aiming at a price of between $1300 and $1500 for a top of the line totally complete and ready to go system. A lesser equipped system (no WiFi, no OBD II, no GPS, less RAM) would run about $800 to $900.

This thread is meant primarily to gauge interest, needs and wants and feedback from people here on the forum. Post here or PM myself or Dexter with any questions you may have or if you are interested. Thanks!

[1sty]

Internal amp?
God why?

Also is there an AV output?

[Turbo Matty P]

what if we want the extra ram and OBD2, just no GPS, wi-fi, and maybe a much smaller harddrive. I can't use up 60G on my home computer much less a car computer. If we were to pay now when would the ETA be?? I'm VERY interested. I want something custom for my P-ride

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Internal amp?
God why?

Also is there an AV output?

sent you a PM on that :)


Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
what if we want the extra ram and OBD2, just no GPS, wi-fi, and maybe a much smaller harddrive. I can't use up 60G on my home computer much less a car computer. If we were to pay now when would the ETA be?? I'm VERY interested. I want something custom for my P-ride

That level of customization is certainly possible. I would really hate to take any kind of deposit or money right now as we're only in the prototype stages - we don't want anyone to be disappointed :). Once the ball really gets rolling and the final units come together we'll be ready to do that. The major details are all hammered out, its just a matter of cosmetic work and assembling a working unit. Dexter has a working unit in his car that has served as the starting point for this, so in essence its all a matter of time.

[Turbo Matty P]

gimme a price and I'll give you money! It's that easy!!

[Familia323]

I didnt know you guys were thinking about selling this... wow thats awesome.. I've seen the carputer in action and its pretty badass... but I didnt know Dex had all the GPS and other goodies... I'd be interested later down the road.. you know.. after I get the car boosted and all.. :D

but either way I want updates on the progress of this mad style creation!

[igdrasil]

my awr mounts will kill the hard drive in a matter of minutes!
But this was the system I was looking for, damn

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
gimme a price and I'll give you money! It's that easy!!

sent you a PM :)


Originally posted by Familia323
I didnt know you guys were thinking about selling this... wow thats awesome.. I've seen the carputer in action and its pretty badass... but I didnt know Dex had all the GPS and other goodies... I'd be interested later down the road.. you know.. after I get the car boosted and all.. :D

but either way I want updates on the progress of this mad style creation!

We were keeping it all quiet until the details and pricing was hammered out. We'll keep you posted.


Originally posted by igdrasil
my awr mounts will kill the hard drive in a matter of minutes!
But this was the system I was looking for, damn

I have the AWR mounts and I don't anticipate there being an issue with hard drives or any other component. The only issue that was encountered was cooling, and this has been solved.

[MikeyK 5]

do you how much the OBD II software by itself is for the Mazdaspeed? and where to get it?

[supa saiyan pr5]

with all of the features.. and the ease of installation what about if there is a problem..I know some things about computers... but I don't claim to be a a+ technician..so for the top of the line($1500) what would be some of the warranty on it..

Jeremy

[jersey_emt]

I'm definitely interested.

[igdrasil]

captain krm, as I see in your signature...you only have the front mount!

I have been there, one mount feels almost like stock

Install both, thats another story, everything shakes:

sunroof, hatch, whole dash and everything inside the glovebox...everything

[LowMileLude]

http://www.obd-2.com/

Around $122.

That's a cool idea. I don't have the $$ for one right now though. :(

[Dexter]

we are using the ISO ELM323 chip by ELM electronics for OBDII and the software from Scantool.net

I am still currently looking for Mazda Protege sensor specific codes, but I DO have Mazda Protege specific trouble codes (CEL causing issues).

[1sty]

Keep in mind some are model specific to the MP3. We have codes other 3rd gen proteges don't seem to throw.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by igdrasil
captain krm, as I see in your signature...you only have the front mount!

I have been there, one mount feels almost like stock

Install both, thats another story, everything shakes:

sunroof, hatch, whole dash and everything inside the glovebox...everything

I do not anitcipate vibration killing the hard drive. As part of testing, I have been running the hard drive UNCASED. It is free to travel wherever inside the car, and I have not met one issue yet with lockups or rebooting, or even skips in audio playback.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Keep in mind some are model specific to the MP3. We have codes other 3rd gen proteges don't seem to throw.

I have FS-DE and FS-DET codes, i wonder if the MP3 is covered under regular FS-DE codes, if not, do you have a list of some of the MP3 codes?

[NRRfrogmanP5]

well u guys can always count on me especially if it has the dvd player...u know ill buy one for next summer when i redo the who audio set up and h.u.

[1sty]

Originally posted by Dexter
I have FS-DE and FS-DET codes, i wonder if the MP3 is covered under regular FS-DE codes, if not, do you have a list of some of the MP3 codes?

When I first wnet turbo i had some weird CELs and the friggen service manual didn't even list them. The guys at flyinmiata found them and they were listed for a BP engine. Very weird.

[JDuncan]

While I couldn't afford one before Christmas (I just bought the MSP today), I would definitely be interested next spring. I think the feature list looks good. Especially the wireless networking components. It sure would make transferring things and upgrading software much easier. I would have to install a wap in the garage though, cause I don't think the one in the house would cover it. 802.11g?

[orangezoom]

I would be interested after Christmas, That is for a Mazdaspeed

[LowMileLude]

Originally posted by JDuncan
While I couldn't afford one before Christmas (I just bought the MSP today), I would definitely be interested next spring. I think the feature list looks good. Especially the wireless networking components. It sure would make transferring things and upgrading software much easier. I would have to install a wap in the garage though, cause I don't think the one in the house would cover it. 802.11g?

How far away from the house is your garage? You could always park your car beside the house.

I have a 802.11b router and my neighbor has a 802.11g router. And my buddy can pick up his router from our place ~200' away on his Laptop. There is also another broad band wireless router in the area he can pick up but I am not sure of the distance on that one, nor the brodcast type.

[JDuncan]

I don't know if it is the construction of our house or what, but I have not had luck using my laptop in my backyard which is where the car would be otherwise. I already have a cat5 line to the garage (which is detached) that I use to look up stuff when working on cars out there. Another wap out there might just make my life easier when this "carputer" comes out.

[Dynotrick]

i'd like to see some pictures of how this looks in and out of the car when possible. i would definitly be interested when i save up a little.

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by supa saiyan pr5
with all of the features.. and the ease of installation what about if there is a problem..I know some things about computers... but I don't claim to be a a+ technician..so for the top of the line($1500) what would be some of the warranty on it..

Jeremy

Dexter and I will back and support this product. We're not out to screw any member of the Protege community :) This guarantee goes for any unit we decide to sell, top of the line or not. We will test any unit and ensure its quality before it even reaches the bubble wrap. We will be there to help and solve problems before, during and after installation and use.


Originally posted by orangezoom
I would be interested after Christmas, That is for a Mazdaspeed

the system will be installable in any third generation protege, mp3, mazdaspeed or protege5.

[Captain KRM P5]

pics of the screen; http://www.protege5.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27950&highlight=carputer

[MackDadam]

captain im definately interested. i want a gps/tv/computer in my dash. only one problem, i want to put my radio down by the cupholders in that little hole but i dont know what level of difficulty it will be. ive seen it done. will you be selling kits for that as well? maybe develop that too?

[Turbo Matty P]

will the carputer still power the factory speakers or will I need to supply my own amplifier? I have a Rockford Fosgate 4channel just sitting in my car not hooked up. I could run it and save some space and heat in the dash right??

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by MackDadam
captain im definately interested. i want a gps/tv/computer in my dash. only one problem, i want to put my radio down by the cupholders in that little hole but i dont know what level of difficulty it will be. ive seen it done. will you be selling kits for that as well? maybe develop that too?

This is certainly a feasible option, one that Dexter himself chose to do with his setup. I believe for best fitment in that arrangement you will need to remove (IE - cut away) the cigarette lighter and ashtray. If we were to make a kit for that, it would not be included in the price of the carputer itself. I will have to discuss this with Dexter and see what solution(s) he might have for you. You will also need to make certain that your head unit has auxilliary inputs on it.


Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
will the carputer still power the factory speakers or will I need to supply my own amplifier? I have a Rockford Fosgate 4channel just sitting in my car not hooked up. I could run it and save some space and heat in the dash right??

We may still include an amp of some kind. Your amp will suffice for the task if you are not using an aftermarket head unit (ie you choose to go with our built in tuner). If you are using an aftermarket unit like MackDadam wishes to, an amp will be unnecessary.

[MackDadam]

im going to change my headunit to the kenwood kdc-x969 which im almost positive has auxillary inputs in the back

[Turbo Matty P]

I think I'll just use my amp and your puter-tuner!

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
I think I'll just use my amp and your puter-tuner!

A minor thing that needs to be noted; upon examination of all the options availiable to us, it will be possible for the built in tuner to handle FM radio and television signals, but none of the current options in production will accept AM radio signals :( If AM radio functionality is important to you, this may not be the best option and you would want to go with an aftermarket radio.

An example of what the built in FM tuner might do;
http://www.hauppauge.com/html/usb_data.htm

[Turbo Matty P]

who the hell listens to AM??? Thats like saying your puter can play music but sorry 8-track users!! No'one is going to pass this up for lack of AM radio!

[Cirielle]

Interested, but not sure if will buy. I guess that doesn't help any! It seems awesome though and man would I love to get it! But I just don't know...and right now is definately out!!!

[Bijou-MP5]

very interesting...everything is included~
I'm interested but I like to see the pics first :D

[Poseur]

I've talked to you guys elsewhere, but I'm still quite interested. I'm looking for a combo dvd+cdr drive, though for simplified data transfer (not to mention how cool it would be to be at a party and whne the music gets lame, run out to your car and burn a mix disc) I'd also be interested in playing DVD's and a video-in would be awesome so we could check out footage off the video cameras after snowboarding.... Speaking of which to whoever mentioned the lack of AM radio being not a problem... Pass and traffic reports that's about all I ever use AM for, but it does come in handy...

I'm all for the big Hard drive as It would be awesome to get my full 40gb of MP3's on tap in that thing... Anyway, chop chop, stop posting, and start building guys! I'm getting mroe and more wound up about it all. TIming's not really an issue, I'll find the money whenever...

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Bijou-MP5
very interesting...everything is included~
I'm interested but I like to see the pics first :D

I will have detailed schematics / mockups posted as soon as it is feasible


Originally posted by Poseur
I've talked to you guys elsewhere, but I'm still quite interested. I'm looking for a combo dvd+cdr drive, though for simplified data transfer (not to mention how cool it would be to be at a party and whne the music gets lame, run out to your car and burn a mix disc) I'd also be interested in playing DVD's and a video-in would be awesome so we could check out footage off the video cameras after snowboarding.... Speaking of which to whoever mentioned the lack of AM radio being not a problem... Pass and traffic reports that's about all I ever use AM for, but it does come in handy...

I'm all for the big Hard drive as It would be awesome to get my full 40gb of MP3's on tap in that thing... Anyway, chop chop, stop posting, and start building guys! I'm getting mroe and more wound up about it all. TIming's not really an issue, I'll find the money whenever...

As Dexter pointed out, inputs and outputs will not be a problem. Rest assured we are hard at work on pulling this all together. Dexter and I had an R&D pow wow of sorts this evening in "the lab" and discuss this every chance that is humanly and inhumanly possible. We're working to make this a reality and thank everyone interested for thier interest, support and patience. Keep the questions coming as well as possible interest.

On a technical note, the GPS system has been road tested and looks to be a very worthy option. We will post updates and progress as they become available.

[Dexter]

The board has VGA and VIDEO output; you can hook it up to as many video monitors as you want (for those who like mutilple headrest monitors and the like).

DVD+CD-R may be a possibility. We will take note of the option.

The LCD has 2 VIDEO inputs. You can connect whatever you want to them, be it XBOX, PS2, video camera, etc.

Poseur, if you'd like to retain AM, check to see if your Clarion HU supports and AUX input. If it does, then you can just run the sound output through that.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by JDuncan
802.11g?

Sorry, I didn't see this.

In order to make upgrading network cards easier, the system will most likely implement a PCI -> PCMCIA adapter. This will allow you to use any standard PCMCIA notebook expansion card. Not only does this let you switch from 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11-whatever-is-next, easily, it also adds a bit more versatility to the system; you are not limited to only network cards, any PCMCIA card will work. I am unsure if we are going to provide an external antenna for WiFi with the system. You will most likely need one. Without it, you may be able to pick up access points, but signal strength will probably be very low.

[Poseur]

Dex, Yep, got aux inputs, and I'm thinking it's most likely that I'll keep my Clarion. For one, the more I play with it, the more I notice that it's just a really nice H/U. Seems like as far as audio control and such is concerned that'll be the best option. I've got line-outs on my amps and a remote gain for the sub. So it's concievable to cut out the h/u but yea...

You planning on doing just a single pair of RCA outs? And is there any such thing as a nice notebook-sized audio-card? I'm gonna have to claim ignorance here, but I'm curious what kind of sound quality can be expected from such a thing.

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Poseur
Dex, Yep, got aux inputs, and I'm thinking it's most likely that I'll keep my Clarion. For one, the more I play with it, the more I notice that it's just a really nice H/U. Seems like as far as audio control and such is concerned that'll be the best option. I've got line-outs on my amps and a remote gain for the sub. So it's concievable to cut out the h/u but yea...

You planning on doing just a single pair of RCA outs? And is there any such thing as a nice notebook-sized audio-card? I'm gonna have to claim ignorance here, but I'm curious what kind of sound quality can be expected from such a thing.

The on board audio on the motherboard is actually quite nice, 6 channel audio. In order to keep things compact and to spec, adding a sound card will not be possible. The sound quality on the prototype in Dexter's car is excellent, and we plan on using better components than what is in that setup.

[Equinox]

if it comes together decently and can control my existing rca outputs, I would buy it. now does it HAVE to have windows xp? heh

[ELEmental59437]

Originally posted by Captain KRM P5
The on board audio on the motherboard is actually quite nice, 6 channel audio. In order to keep things compact and to spec, adding a sound card will not be possible. The sound quality on the prototype in Dexter's car is excellent, and we plan on using better components than what is in that setup.

Careful with that onboard audio.. I have the 6 ch. on board audio on my EPIA M1000 and it pops really bad at higher volumes.. I thought it was the sound system but I just put in a SB Live and the audio is 100% better.. it even gets louder than the on board system without any poping sounds at all. I am looking into external audio cars though, I need the PCI slot...

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Equinox
if it comes together decently and can control my existing rca outputs, I would buy it. now does it HAVE to have windows xp? heh

we will be using Windows. sorry :) what OS would you prefer over that?

[Turbo Matty P]

Linux or mac OSX

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
Linux or mac OSX

for the hardware we're running we'll be sticking with Windows XP.

[Turbo Matty P]

no doubt, just telling you what I prefer! Hows the mock up of the in-dash unit looking? I've got cash burning a whole and you guys haven't given me a firm price yet for my set-up!!

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
no doubt, just telling you what I prefer! Hows the mock up of the in-dash unit looking? I've got cash burning a whole and you guys haven't given me a firm price yet for my set-up!!

:) sent you a PM

[Turbo Matty P]

SWEET!

[Captain KRM P5]

Update; The cheapest compact DVD drive we have been able to locate for this project also incoporates CDR functionality. An unforseen bonus, the unit will be able to write CDs as well as play them and play DVDs.

Unfortunately, In order to keep the unit legal and legitimate, we must charge an extra $100 for Windows XP. Installing the same copy on each individual unit could get both us and the customer into legal troubles, so we are going to make sure that such is avoided.

Looks like Turbo Matty P is going to get the first unit. Its going to come together slowly, but its going to come together. His unit will help us to nail down all the current intangible details and perfect the unit. Keep any questions and feedback coming!

-Ken

[Caffein8d]

question:

what happens if something fuckin breaks? i wouldnt want to rip it apart since i dont know how it was put together....

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Mr Jinx
question:

what happens if something fuckin breaks? i wouldnt want to rip it apart since i dont know how it was put together....

We will warranty our work and product, repair or replace any broken components.

[MackDadam]

i cant wait to see this thing man. where will the brain of the cpu go though? i just really wanna see it installed. how hard is installation?

[Turbo Matty P]

I'll let you know once it's in my car. truth be told, I'm horrible at electronics. I failed that ASE twice. i'm hoping this will be straight forward.

[MackDadam]

tell you what though mr matty p...that double din cpu will just look sweet in a protege....ill envy your car til i get one!! please keep this thread informed of progress. Will this have like a gps thing too? i dont feel like reading thru 5 pages to find out...yeah im lazy

[Gratefully Dead]

Woot! I'm also very interested in this. I HAD to put a carputer in my p5 but was dreading trying to find the right prices on all the parts and building it. Ya, I'm lazy, sue me. Wont be able to afford it right away though.

Thankfully you guys live like 30-40 minutes from Palatine so I wont have to pay any shipping when I can afford this.

Lets see some pics of what the unit itself looks like!

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
I'll let you know once it's in my car. truth be told, I'm horrible at electronics. I failed that ASE twice. i'm hoping this will be straight forward.

thats the primary goal!


Originally posted by MackDadam
tell you what though mr matty p...that double din cpu will just look sweet in a protege....ill envy your car til i get one!! please keep this thread informed of progress. Will this have like a gps thing too? i dont feel like reading thru 5 pages to find out...yeah im lazy

the unit can be ordered with GPS


Originally posted by Gratefully Dead

Lets see some pics of what the unit itself looks like!

As soon as we get some pics of a more finalized product, they will be posted :)

[lgagno1]

Maybe I missed it in the thread, but how will this be powered? Will it come with a 110v inverter? I am very interested and may have the money soon.

[Rogue]

What type of processor are you using? Intel? Via makes a processor that can run w/o a heat sink (Socket 370). Another question about heat...what about the hard drive. A friend tells me that high heat can actually erase/corrupt data on the hard drive.

[Dexter]

the processor is a VIA.
heat. we will see about the heat issue when final prototype is assembled. Yes, the area will be tight. I can't say much yet, as the final casing plans haven't been drawn out yet.

lgagno1, it will be powered by a 90W Intelligent DC-DC converter. We don't want to do this the inefficient way of converting between DC car - AC inverter- DC PC PSU. The power supply also has a shutdown controller. For power, it is a 3 wire hookup: one to constant 12V, one to ignition 12V, and of course, ground. So, in a sense, its much like hooking up a turbo timer. Harnesses will not be provided for this because it will cost so much to get some made. Like I said though, its a really easy 3-wire job.

[blthlt]

input!, i need more input!

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by blthlt
input!, i need more input!

such as?

[blthlt]

just a quote from mr johnny 5

[svxin]

hummm very interesting i would be in on this once i see pics and such. sweet deal

[Captain KRM P5]

just a little update; production of the first units is not going to commence until mid to late November. that will be the earliest we can get any kind of pics of up. we're waiting on the first deposit from our first buyer before we can order the parts.

just a reminder, pricing on the units is going to be a little higher than we initially expected. regrettable, and something we apologize for, but it cannot be helped.

[svxin]

like how much more?

[svxin]

pm me with all the detals and a pic if possable.

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by svxin
like how much more?

at least 200 to 300 more per unit.

[Turbo Matty P]

It'a worth it though to get the high quality pieces. You get what you pay for!

[Familia323]

Yeah your original prices looked really low.. I was wondering how that was gonna work out, but I just assumed that you were gankin the parts off of computer geeks.... hehe :D just kidding.. I WANT A CARPUTER!

[jaisai01]

i would love to be a tester for it. however i am not good with bondoing my dash at all. so does a new surround come with the carputer pricing. let me know. and PM me with the details for deposit and so forth. thanks
arul

[loccusst]

was wondering myself about the surround and how it would be flush with the original stereo din space. i'm interesdted in purchasing one if the price is right. I'm actually surprised someone hasn't done this already like sony. I started doing this in my civic and the surround is the hardest part in my project.

[slug420]

does the stock MSP head unit have any aux input?

im definitely very interested in the loaded model assuming the fit and finish flush mounted in the dash is as good as others i have seen

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by loccusst
was wondering myself about the surround and how it would be flush with the original stereo din space. i'm interesdted in purchasing one if the price is right. I'm actually surprised someone hasn't done this already like sony. I started doing this in my civic and the surround is the hardest part in my project.

we are bandying about three possible solutions on the surround itself. whichever one offers the best combination of fit, finish, ease of construction and cost is the one we will go with. One of these options may yet include using a modified stereo surround with an integrated screen. Both Dexter and ELEmental have setups like this, but we are looking at easier alternatives.


Originally posted by slug420
does the stock MSP head unit have any aux input?

im definitely very interested in the loaded model assuming the fit and finish flush mounted in the dash is as good as others i have seen

the MSP head unit does have aux inputs. Dexter is using the aux inputs on his to run his through.

[Dexter]

coorection Captain, the MSP headunit has the ABILITY to gain aux inputs. You need the AUX input adapter from Kenwood.

[azian6er]

i just want to say this is soooo badass. I could surf the boards out on the road (while stationary of course...)

-B

[kidkorrupt]

fuck, already spliced the shit outta my stock wires for my jdm deck.

i would have gotten this....

soudns good, keep up the good work!

[Captain KRM P5]

had an intense R&D session last night;

for the near future, Dexter and I are putting this project on indefinete hold. We want to produce a quality product for the Protege community and are going to require more time and resources to do this. Disappointing our fellow Mazda owners is simply not an option.

[Familia323]

well its very much appreciated.... im sure all of us will still be interested when it's ready..

[Big D]

I am also interested, please keep us posted on progress, fit and finish is very important with ease of installation. My B-Day is in April and would make a nice gift to myself.

[Big D]

Shameless Bump

[Aricjm15]

Originally posted by Big D
Shameless Bump

on the backburner

[lasermp5]

please please keep me posted. better yet quit work or school or whatever and devote your entire life as you know it to the holy carputer!

[Micah]

Maybe you could use better hardware too? I mean for that kind of money I don't want a transmeta or pentium 3/celeron chip. Take a look at www.mini-itx.com Lots of options available. Even the Epia seems a bit underpowered. Not to mention the powersupply, either you run an inverter with a UPS and have steady safe power ( and a built in shutdown feature ) and suffer from the cars weak alternator - or - you run the risk associated with a cars fluctuating electrical system. Best bet is to buy a laptop, docking station, wireless keyboard and mouse and a Xenarc 7" Touch Screen LCD 800x600. Hook that up to a power invertor and wire it to an aux port on your stereo or an RF Adapter.

Now you have a laptop - a machine inside which every component is designed to be bumped around a bit, which has the shutdown features all simple, no wiring troubles. As a bonus, it's a laptop, you can use it anywhere, in the car, or outside the car.

I was going to do the car pc, I've seen my friends do it, but I think I'll just do my idea next year. Heck, I even thought of installing it in the drivers door pocket or above the passenger footwell.

This could be done, if I can stop my ADHD from buying other toys first.

[Captain KRM P5]

Micah,

we have considered a variety of laptops and it does not meet what we are aiming for from a cost vs. performance standpoint. rest assured we are not going to utilize bottom of the barrel parts for this when it becomes available.

for those still interested, it is coming along, better now than it has been for some time. we have this and a few other projects in the works for the protege community that, with patience, will be unveiled in due time.

Thanks for your continued support.

-Ken

[ELEmental59437]

Pimp this quality product:

http://www.vividyellow.com/cf/images/DSCN1853.jpg

Current specs:
1GHz processor
120 Gigs of storage
512 MB ram
DVD
5.1 Dolby Surround (Sound Blaster Extigy)
Wi-fi
Opus power supply on the way


Keep working on it guys, I think there will be a good market for such a product, and I know I will never go back to a regular cd player after having a carpuer.

[lasermp5]

Whoa what kind of ss is in that car? Is that just a kartboy with a stock old protege shifter? Kinda looks tight in that pic! (sorry for the quick jack-thread....back to business)


Originally posted by ELEmental59437
Pimp this quality product:

http://www.vividyellow.com/cf/images/DSCN1853.jpg

Current specs:
1GHz processor
120 Gigs of storage
512 MB ram
DVD
5.1 Dolby Surround (Sound Blaster Extigy)
Wi-fi
Opus power supply on the way


Keep working on it guys, I think there will be a good market for such a product, and I know I will never go back to a regular cd player after having a carpuer.

[ELEmental59437]

Originally posted by lasermp5
Whoa what kind of ss is in that car? Is that just a kartboy with a stock old protege shifter? Kinda looks tight in that pic! (sorry for the quick jack-thread....back to business)

Thanks, its the stock shift knob from a 2002 (my year car) painted vividyellow on top. Its on a TWM 2nd gen shifter.

[Micah]

Originally posted by ELEmental59437
Pimp this quality product:

http://www.vividyellow.com/cf/images/DSCN1853.jpg

Current specs:
1GHz processor
120 Gigs of storage
512 MB ram
DVD
5.1 Dolby Surround (Sound Blaster Extigy)
Wi-fi
Opus power supply on the way


Keep working on it guys, I think there will be a good market for such a product, and I know I will never go back to a regular cd player after having a carpuer.

I just hope they have theirs done before I get mine done. Right now I'm looking at building a shuttle box to do the same thing, and still be portable and usable outside the car. Laptop is kewl, but normal. I'm not satisfied with being normal. Thinking of buying a second 7" Xenarc to case mod into the side of the case.

[svxin]

awsome

[lemacfar]

im definately interested... email me instead of PM parvinamiri@hotmail.com ... along with some proto pics if you can

[UberCaff]

I'm interested, I dont know why it wont be, but will it be protege specific or can I get one and drop it into my WRX without hassle. I have been considering building one myself doing almost the exact thing you guys are doing. So I may just be lazy and get one from you guys.

Shameless bump

[ELEmental59437]

Did you guys not read that it is hold indefinatly?

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by UberCaff
I'm interested, I dont know why it wont be, but will it be protege specific or can I get one and drop it into my WRX without hassle. I have been considering building one myself doing almost the exact thing you guys are doing. So I may just be lazy and get one from you guys.

Shameless bump

We're working on both protege specific and drop in units.


Originally posted by ELEmental59437
Did you guys not read that it is hold indefinatly?

Yes, sorry to disappoint, but its still a long way off yet. Its a priority for us, but like I said earlier we've got a lot of projects we're tackling right now, and the carputer is definetely one of them. Just have patience and we'll keep any and all updates coming.

[Dexter]

I'm still working on it. i need funding.

A laptop is not upgradeable.

And right now, the only MiniITX boards are the Epias. Pentium4/AMD boards are coming out, but at like 500-600 just for the board.

[Dexter]

The main goal is to be a semi-universal Double DIN drop-in unit.

With that said though, it is being prototyped and designed specifically for the 3rd gen Protege.

[Sushi-Monster]

Intresting thought. Still there is soo many factors into making this thing, I would be worried about the most simpliest thing. Would the hard drive be shock protected, and if so, what level of protection? I know you guys are still working on it, and I sure as hell would buy it on the spot too. but in an event of a car crash or running over a speed bump too fast would kill a hard drive like that with ease. Slightest taps to the top of the hard drive would cause bad sectors if not scrach the disc which the needle was writing on. I know since I did it to a test hard drive (LOL, love being a tech...) I'm not trying to sound stupid, but this project sounds too good to be true! I hope everything works out for this thing cause man, even geeks like me would be all over this thing!

[Sushi-Monster]

By the way, what OS will you be using, and will it be a custom motherboard??? I would love to see the VIA Envy 24-bit sound system integreated with my car. oooooh damn it, I'm getting all giggly over this thing. Hope to see proto pics of it soon!!!

[Dexter]

The plans have us using a laptop hard drive. Laptop hard drives are more shock resistant than desktop kin. As a test, I ran my car computer entirely opened and unsecured in the back of my car. The hard drive was a regular desktop variant, and was not fastened to anything. After months of driving, no damage had occured to the hard drive. No sectors were bad, even after being thrown back and forth on the floor.

But, that wasnt the prototype case or anything, so I don't have official results yet, so maybe some issue will rear its ugly head. I do not know yet, but I honestly don't think it will be a problem.

About the car crash thing, I can't really comment. A hard enough impact might damage the drive. I don't think that should stop anyone from running a car computer though. If you have a car crash, you probably have more to worry about than a $150 hard drive ;)

[Dexter]

Originally posted by Sushi-Monster
By the way, what OS will you be using, and will it be a custom motherboard??? I would love to see the VIA Envy 24-bit sound system integreated with my car. oooooh damn it, I'm getting all giggly over this thing. Hope to see proto pics of it soon!!!

As far as OS, we want to use windows (yes we are actually a subsidiary of Satan Inc. ) for ease of use.

We can sell them without OS, but probably wont support FleeGooGeeGoo OS 2.9 :)

The motherboards aren't custom.

[Captain KRM P5]

as dexter stated, the hard drive as well as the entire unit has been battle tested under the worst driving conditions that chicago has to offer - gutted potholes, railroad tracks that jut several inches above ground, etc etc etc. the unit is most assuredly road worthy, and this is only the prototype.

the final unit will cost more than we had initially hoped, but we're going to make sure that 1) we're selling a quality product 2) it has the features everyone wants. figure that as an option for the 3 a nav system is 1500. our system will be less than that and have nav built in.

[svxin]

what kind
of price are we looking at? i am still interested as long as it can plug into an ems so i could tune while i drive etc...

[TRexPro5]

Awesome stuff!! I might have to take out a small loan for one of these when they are available!

Im not sure what you guys are doing to protect yourselves from someone stealing your idea. But I would definatly try to patent or copyright (if you can). I know you guys have documentation on this board but the way internet laws are these days who knows what could happen. I would hate for you guys to loose this awesome idea to some company like sony that would fuck it all up :(.

[Familia323]

Ken or Bryan,


What about those of us that are fortunate enough to keep our cars outside for the winter:p. I know it hasn't been that cold yet, but there are times when the inside of my car gets freezing cold. Whatabout the computer? Do you think it will be a problem?

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by svxin
what kind
of price are we looking at? i am still interested as long as it can plug into an ems so i could tune while i drive etc...

we want to offer it at certain levels of customability, so price will vary on what the end user wants, but we're looking to stay below 1500 even for the top end unit. as for an ems, or anything for that matter, if it plugs into a desktop or laptop computer, it will plug into ours.


Originally posted by Familia323
Ken or Bryan,


What about those of us that are fortunate enough to keep our cars outside for the winter:p. I know it hasn't been that cold yet, but there are times when the inside of my car gets freezing cold. Whatabout the computer? Do you think it will be a problem?

the carputer and LCD function normally under extreme hot and cold. The LCD has the cold phase-in/phase-out image effect until it warms up but it warms up pretty quick and does not affect functionailty.

[svxin]

sweet ass

[loccusst]

I installed a laptop in my civic and never had any hard drive problems. I even autocrossed with it in. The only problem I forsee is with extreem heat for those who live down south. Good ventilation is a must.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by supa saiyan pr5
with all of the features.. and the ease of installation what about if there is a problem..I know some things about computers... but I don't claim to be a a+ technician..so for the top of the line($1500) what would be some of the warranty on it..

Jeremy


I am A+ certified, biggest waste of money I ever spent.

[Micah]

Originally posted by pluto316
I am A+ certified, biggest waste of money I ever spent.

I'm a Network Admin and I have no certs. Certs are however not a waste of money, I have seen them get people higher salaries. However, in todays job market - companies want to pay lower salaries. Eventually I would like to get my CCNE, but for now, I'm happy with a steady job and a nationwide VPN to care for.

sho ip int br

[StarvingRussian]

cool

[gcotton]

I got the money, sign me up

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Micah
I'm a Network Admin and I have no certs. Certs are however not a waste of money, I have seen them get people higher salaries. However, in todays job market - companies want to pay lower salaries. Eventually I would like to get my CCNE, but for now, I'm happy with a steady job and a nationwide VPN to care for.

sho ip int br



The hardest question on the A+ hardware exam is finding the keyboard controler on a motherboard, and it was only hard cause the picture was so god-awful.


Find the keyboard controler:
sdfsdsddfg
dfgdfgdfsg
dfgdfgsdfg
fsddgdfgds
dfgdfgsdfg


ASCII art drawing of the tiny low quality b/w picture.

[Familia323]

Originally posted by Micah
I'm a Network Admin and I have no certs. Certs are however not a waste of money, I have seen them get people higher salaries. However, in todays job market - companies want to pay lower salaries. Eventually I would like to get my CCNE, but for now, I'm happy with a steady job and a nationwide VPN to care for.

sho ip int br

I passed the CCNA class with an A and never took the test.. but ask me if i remember anything from the class....noooooooooooope.

[Micah]

Yep, that's why I don't feel the urge to take the classes. Will they let me make more money, maybe - are they actually going to help me do my job better, doubtfully. I'd rather not waste the time on the courses. I'm making decent money - and I have offers for more pay that I am turning down because I really like my job. I'm talking about the hardware, the software, and even the people I work with. It's funny because we hire people as temps for the helpdesk who have all kinds of certs, but they are fresh out of school and haven't worked on a production system before.

This is how it looks to my boss.

Me, 3 years networking experience with production systems @ 40K or so

Applicant, 2 years of schooling, MCSE, A+, CCNA, etc. @ a requested salary of $50K - and they have never worked on a production system, just test labs and course work.

Hence, I keep my job. My secret to success is do it better, do it cheaper.

Of course there are downsides to my job. No overtime for one. Several times a year we do 12, 18, and even 24 Hour shifts for disaster recovery training, and other random network incidents. The only thing I get in those situations is usually my meals paid for by the company, sometimes a couple $50 American Express Gift Cheques and maybe a couple extra Miscellaneous Approved days off. ( MA days )

[Captain KRM P5]

there will be a fairly decently sized carputer update within the next week - stay tuned.

[Captain KRM P5]

here is the aforementioned update;

http://www.protege5.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48238

[Bijou-MP5]

What if I provide trim piece? how much will that be?
other guy does similar setup but only one option for $330 shipped.

http://www.protege5.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45825&highlight=lcd

[Captain KRM P5]

if you provide the trim piece subtract 120 from the price, remember that his model is not molded into the trim itself whereas ours is for that "seamless" effect :)

[Bijou-MP5]

Originally posted by Captain KRM P5
if you provide the trim piece subtract 120 from the price, remember that his model is not molded into the trim itself whereas ours is for that "seamless" effect :)

does that includes painting and shipping?
if I decided to buy then I probably pick it up but I just wanted to make sure

[Captain KRM P5]

painting is included, shipping is not included but would not cost much - this item is very light weight.

[svxin]

hows the carputer comming along do you have a projected date of compleation pm me

[Captain KRM P5]

Originally posted by svxin
hows the carputer comming along do you have a projected date of compleation pm me

we're releasing things in stages - the screen being the first. from the response on the screens we'll gauge interest and decide where to go from there.

drop me a PM and let me know what exactly you are looking for.

[cyomega]

Updates?

[Rogue]

does anyone know who sells the 7in LCD display with the dash kit?

[Dexter]

What do you mean, dash kit?

About the carputer: we haven't worked on it in ages. I don't see it happening. Oh well.

[Rogue]

the trim that's around the stock Radio.... i've seen someone selling a LCD display with the trim

[Dexter]

you mean like this?

http://www.mazda3online.com/product_info.php?cPath=39&products_id=64

[Rogue]

yes...i was on the site, but couldn't find it.... thank you

[cyomega]

bummmmmp bump bummp bump...

keep us posted, Cap!

[03ProES]

Did you miss the above statement about the carputer being pretty much dropped as a project?

[Captain KRM P5]

here's the deal - Protege Garage will always offer the various screen packages (as well as a 10% off discount on them to any forum member) and if you like we'll build you a made to order computer in a small case where you can place at your liking. but the all in one drop-in unit is, at this point, vaporware.

[ZapWizard]

I am an excelent PC modder.

Probably at the begining of next year I will start building a Carputer to fit in the glove box.

Captain KRM P5, if there is any interest for me to design one for you guys, then send me a PM.
(You can check my PC stuff at www.zapwizard.com (http://www.zapwizard.com))

[Captain KRM P5]

I am an excelent PC modder.

Probably at the begining of next year I will start building a Carputer to fit in the glove box.

Captain KRM P5, if there is any interest for me to design one for you guys, then send me a PM.
(You can check my PC stuff at www.zapwizard.com) (http://www.zapwizard.com))
there is always interest :)

i actually designed the car pc to fit into the glove box with a great of modification, using a miniITX board. after trying to drive around with it, it simply isn't feasible. that and there is ZERO room for even the smallest power supply in there with the HD, DVD drive and mother board. I cut so many holes in that poor glovebox

[ZapWizard]

there is always interest :)

i actually designed the car pc to fit into the glove box with a great of modification, using a miniITX board. after trying to drive around with it, it simply isn't feasible. that and there is ZERO room for even the smallest power supply in there with the HD, DVD drive and mother board. I cut so many holes in that poor glovebox
Since the original plan is vapor-ware I hope you don't mind discussing possibilities in here?

I will probably start a theory thread soon.

My intent was to build a PC for the trunk, but then I noticed that the recycled air intake for the A/C system is right behind the glove box.
So I figured that I could use the fresh air intake as a vent for the system.
(Having the PC control the air flow in the car)

My intent is to have as many perephrials USB as possible.
I am limited though, as I work at AMD, and I stick with AMD boards, so that limits me to the motherboard from a shuttle PC.
(I saw a mini-itx board for a Athlon, but it isn't in production)

But my design would use more then just the glove box, so it may be hard to produce commercialy.

[Captain KRM P5]

Since the original plan is vapor-ware I hope you don't mind discussing possibilities in here? .... But my design would use more then just the glove box, so it may be hard to produce commercialy.
I don't mind at all...the commercial viability was a problem for us as well