vs. RSX

[MidnightDreamer]

How have you Mazdaspeed owners done against the RSX's that are out right now. Both the stock and the S. Is there a lot of turbo lag with your cars? I'm just curious. I heard that the stock RSX and Mazdaspeed have almost identical 0 - 60 and Quater mile times... Is this true? If I'm not mistaken, the Mazdaspeed is more expensive, so I'm wondering if you people think it's worth it? I suppose the Mazdaspeed handles better, and it's more rare... But I'll bet the insurance is a bitch, and high octane fuel isn't cheap...

[Notorious]

MSP is actually cheaper by far. Stock for stock perfomance is a drivers race, but I would always prefer a turbo.

[Familia323]

I would think that insurance would be more expensive on the RSX as it is a 2 door and the MSP is a 4 door.

[Notorious]

btw the type s uses high octane fuel too.

[EvilMSP]

Plus on insurance the MazdaSpeed is just called a Protege'. An RSX is just an RSX so I bet the insurance is higher on an RSX than an MSP.

[michiganspeed]

My friend owns an RSX, but he loved driving my car. He said his felt as fast, but not as tight. If he had known about the MSP, he said he would have gotten it instead.

[Got_boost02]

DUNNO, INSURANCE IS HIGH AS FUCK FOR ME ON THE MSP, WELL OVER A GRAND!!:(

[SoniCraze]

A MONTH!!!!! jesus man.....

i thought i waz gettin raped at nearly 400$ a month....

[InsidiousMSP]

The only reason I didn't get a RSX Type-S is because they don't offer the white with black interior.

[slug420]

i just added a car to my insurance and progressive lists mine now as a Mazdaspeed whereas it was a ES or somethin before

i think the 4 door part helps a lot. I just got a 99 impreza RS and that thing costs just about the same as my MSP to insure....:( :(

im thinkin of sellin the RS cuz of that but i do so need somethin for the winter..

[tracknfield423]

the 03 msp lists as a regular protege on insurance, but the 03.5 lists as a msp which would have a higher insurance. butmy opinion compared to the rsx, the price of high octane fuel is deff worth it, and even if you get the type s you still need high octane fuel for the turbo. the msp is just an all around nicer car, its a bang for the buck type deal.

[Captain KRM P5]

i murder RSXs regularly

[mikeeeee]

me too to me a rsx cant really keep up with me unless its a type s but i burned a couple of type s's

[KyRaceFan]

I raced a stock rsx, on about 8psi. I pulled about a car on it from a 20 roll. From a dig, i outlaunched him and pulled him nicely.
My insurance is 270 a month now.. but in 4 months i'll be 21 and it goes to 150..
The MSP is also quite a bit cheaper.
Turbo lag isnt too bad.. its a small turbo.. but the exhaust is restrictive. :(

[MidnightDreamer]

That's awesome to hear. Has anyone raced a 3.5l Altima? I heard those things are hella fast... Dunno bout you, but I'd be pretty embarassed to be beat by a family sedan like, esp. with the family watching hehehe...

[Captain KRM P5]

was murdered by a top of the line Maxima :(

[jersey_emt]

Yeah, they're fast, but most people buy them in automatic :wtf:

[t3ase]

I was *slightly* beat by a RSX-S with intake, exhaust, CF hood. It was *very* close, though. That was preflash at 9psi.

[BlkZoomZoom]

My .02.....The cars may be "equal" stock.
Let's see an rsx owner get 14's with zero money invested into the car..... I know we can.....
My ex-girlfriend owns an rsx-s I drove it a few times the only thing I liked better was the 6-speed.

[batmang]

mazda > acura anyday.

[t3ase]

Let me also add that I found out the RSX also had a Hondata(?) ecu upgrade. Not sure what all it does for the car, but it was more than just the intake & exhaust.

[LinuxRacr]

Originally posted by t3ase
Let me also add that I found out the RSX also had a Hondata(?) ecu upgrade. Not sure what all it does for the car, but it was more than just the intake & exhaust.

I've been owned by Hondata when I was at 6 PSI. With Hondata, I've heard of the Type S's getting with S2000's. Yesterday I was owned by a Type's that slowly crept on me when My J&S started to light up a little. Damn I need better tuning now! :sad:

[mazdaowner123]

Wow, I thought I had high insurance. I'm 16, clean record, $218/month. I'm listed as the primary driver, too. I feel bad for you guys paying like $300-$400/month, that's crazy.

As for an RSX, my friend has an RSX-S, so we'll find out soon enough. I'll post about it when we know.


~brian

[Swerny]

The MSP is cheaper then the base RSX's. The Type S is far more expensive than the MSP. The premium i think would be the same $ as the MSP. The MSP is $27 K here, the Type S is $32 K (approx).
As for insurance, i think they would be similar.
My Insurance company lists my car as a MSP. I would watch it if they list it as an ES, you may oinly get the $ for an ES if your car is written off or stolen.

As for getting owned by the Altima or Maxima,the last generation Max SE was 260 HP, available with a 6 spd. The Altima V6 is 240 HP, with a 5 spd available. Fast MOFO's no doubt.

[Mazdaspd035]

Originally posted by Wilsman00
Plus on insurance the MazdaSpeed is just called a Protege'. An RSX is just an RSX so I bet the insurance is higher on an RSX than an MSP.

Maybe it has to do with the insurance carrier your with but my insurance lists to different Protege's, one being the standard and one is the MSP.

[bsgts]

can a stock msp beat a stock gsr or rsx-s

[t3ase]

Originally posted by bsgts
can a stock msp beat a stock gsr or rsx-s
I think that was the point of this thread. :confused:

[Familia323]

Originally posted by LinuxRacr
I've been owned by Hondata when I was at 6 PSI. With Hondata, I've heard of the Type S's getting with S2000's. Yesterday I was owned by a Type's that slowly crept on me when My J&S started to light up a little. Damn I need better tuning now! :sad:


Yeah the Hondata'd RSXs are no joke... My friend had a supercharged lude with about 240 whp and another guy I know had a Type S w/ an intake, exhaust, and a hondata and that thing kept up pretty well with the Lude on the highway. (only a few car lengths behind.

[Geoffsurfs]

My friends girlfriend has the older type s with an intake and exhaust. We did 2 runs and the first one i got a good start and pulled away. The second one was dead even most of the way through. It sounded like the type revs a bit higher, but we may have more low end on them. I am bone stock.

[Stormtrooper77]

The older Type S? I think they're still the same.

[Swerny]

Originally posted by Geoffsurfs
My friends girlfriend has the older type s with an intake and exhaust. We did 2 runs and the first one i got a good start and pulled away. The second one was dead even most of the way through. It sounded like the type revs a bit higher, but we may have more low end on them. I am bone stock.

Older Type S ? What, do you mean the ITR (Integra Type R) ?
As for the revs, welcome to VTEC my friend. Isn't redline almost 8000 rpm on the Type S ?

[chrisjw85]

I choose the msp over the rsx type s cause of a couple different reasons, the msp just seemed more stylish to me, looked more like it was ready for modding. Also came with an aftermarket head unit which was good for me. 4 door is awsome, it has a turbo, and the first time I drove the msp I was extremely shocked on how well it handled. Glad I did too, about a month ago I beat an rsx with a catback and perhaps an intake he didnt mention one (pulling away while he was talking.) I'm bone stock (and that was before I got the flash), had him off the line all the way up to 3rd then he got up to the start of my back door and never went past me, was going over 100 and thats when he started to come up but he never passed me.

[Pkay]

ive never lost to an rsx.... period

[MidnightDreamer]

LOL, that's intense... The MSPs are definetely unique. There are so many people with RSX's, but you rarely see a MSP driving about. Performance wise, they seem to be on par, or ahead of the RSX. I was told that there's not too much of a performance difference between a stock RSX and an S, but then again, we're all a little biased towards Mazda. But then again, Mazda Rules! Seeing as how I won't be into the job market for another 4-5 (Post secondary education... Last year of HS for me right not) years from now, I guess it wouldn't be very practical to dream about getting an MSP... I guess I'll just have to enjoy my ES for now. I really wonder what the car market will be like in 5 years...

[Jhova1012]

The Type-S RSX is a beast and will own a Base RSX. I think the S is a good 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 and thats with a full leather interior and a better sound system. Most S's will put around 200hp to the ground with a Hondata ecu flash, intake, and exhaust. The ECU flash is no joke and bumps the power up throughout the powerband and raises the rev limiter to 8600 RPMs, Hondata really did their homework on the new K-Series engine. Cams alone will get you around 25hp on the engine. And you dont need to mess around with cam gears eather, just get the ECU program. This is because of the i-VTEC system that also adjusts timing automaticly. I personaly would take a MSP, but if I was older and just out of collage I would jump all over the RSX-S because its a very refined car.

[tritonheat1]

A 02 RSX-S with AEM (CAI), and Greddy catback got owned, by my brother-in-law's 02 SE-R 5-speed with AEM (CAI), and Stillen Exhaust, lowered 2"s with (Sprint Springs) from 0-90mph by half a car lengh. I've posted this in the (other sport compact's) thread. BTW i had a massive dream about the RSX-S last week, When i drove it the Motha F***a felt like it was a 10-second beast. The I-Vtec would kick in at 5500rpms and it screamed past redline like in 1-second. LOL :p

[jflo]

wow, this gives me hope :(

[kineticSpicyMSP]

I only pay $112 a month.

[SpcyOrangeMSP03]

well i still have my acura integra gsr, the b series engines rev up fast as hell and its still a blast to drive( a real drivers car) and it is def a little faster stock for stock as my msp, 6.9 -7 sec 0-0 on both but there is this bridge that all my friends race from the light to the over pass ive hit about 80 n my msp on a perfect run and 90 iin my gsr all the time. so i know the type s is about the same and my gsr handles excellent but the feeling isnt there. my mom also has an rsx and i think that my gsr feels hella better. so its really up to whatever car u like better cept the msp feels more finished and solid as opposed to the hondas, then again ive had 2 hondas then my msp so im partial to both all awsome cars!

[tritonheat1]

what year is your GS-R???? Coupe/Sedan.

[bsgts]

so a stock gs-r should beat a stock msp?

[CarlM2]

..... just thought I'd offer the little bit of Acura/Honda comparison I have....

I saw an RSX-S recently on the highway; from what I could see, he was impressively quick from 50-80 m.p.h. I didn't try to race but, I think he wanted to. I test drove a normal RSX and felt it was sort of hollow feeling. It wasn't quick but, adequate for most driving. I also found it bland in a lot of ways. To me it wasn't more refined than the MSP. However, any Acura dealer is generally better than most Mazda dealers. Plus, the RSX normal version is in the low 20's... which is more than what I paid out the door for the MSP.

On another note, with my totally stock, pre-flash MSP, I repetitively beat a brand new Prelude at the track if I didn't do anything completely stupid. His 1/8th mile times were about .1-.5 slower than mine on average.

He was a consistent driver, every run was in the low 10's. My runs varied greatly sometimes because I was practicing launch styles. But, generally I was in the high 9's.

I've raced older Integra's and won similarly... I don't know if I'v ever seen an actual 'type r'... I've seen so many with lot of different 'R' stickers. I think I saw a Cavalier 'Type R' today. LOL

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by bsgts
so a stock gs-r should beat a stock msp?

NO! A Stock Type-S and ITR are about the same performance wise. But both Type-S and Type-R own the MSP anything over 90+mph. That will change with a Boost controller.LOL

[APEXiTypeS]

Originally posted by batmang
mazda > acura anyday.

Some of you guys have a lot to learn.

[t3ase]

Originally posted by APEXiTypeS
Some of you guys have a lot to learn.
(owned)

[jflo]

is that 120MPH @ 8800RPM in 6th or 5th gear ?

[t3ase]

should be 5th. when racing the rsx before, i was already shifting into 2nd by the time his vtec had kicked in in his first gear. they have VERY long gears compared to our cars.

[jflo]

haha..u would think so w/ all that room on the tach

[t3ase]

Originally posted by APEXiTypeS
Some of you guys have a lot to learn.
yer kinda cute if that's you. lose the evo wing on yer car and i'd do ya!@#

[t3ase]

and from looking at the links in his sig, its a guy. dammit.

[jflo]

(butthump) (hitit2) hahaha...J/K already got a girl...

[t3ase]

yeah well, shes cute. i take back the hit it remark for several reasons, however.

[ND4MSP]

hmmmmm, learn about what. Show us the way master. Bout life, sex, overhyped hondas, what???

[t3ase]

"Your subscription for that thread has now been removed."

Enjoy the flamewar. :rolleyes:

[jflo]

anybody get some good races w/ an RSX lately ?

[ND4MSP]

sorry had to do it

[APEXiTypeS]

Originally posted by jflo
is that 120MPH @ 8800RPM in 6th or 5th gear ?

Thats 4th at 8600rpm ;)

[t3ase]

there ya go. 4th. :P told ya their gears are fsckin long as hell..

[Jhova1012]

Thats not an evo wing.. Its the DC5 Type-R... or a replica.

The gears are not that long eather.. If you watch the video in my sig the second car is a Hondata RSX-S doing a short 2-3 or 3-4 gear pull. The RSX is only in there for a few seconds but it gives you an idea...

edit- Yeah watch my movie...

[MidnightDreamer]

Hondata right? So u can safely push to 8600... Cuz that's just hella abusive if ur not... 125MPH, thats right, 217KPH right? damn that car's fast...

[APEXiTypeS]

Originally posted by t3ase
there ya go. 4th. :P told ya their gears are fsckin long as hell..

They are not that long. 4th gear only goes to about 113-114, at redline.

Jhova1012:
Where did you get that video of the rsx? That looks like my car. I can post the video to prove it.

[APEXiTypeS]

Originally posted by MidnightDreamer
Hondata right? So u can safely push to 8600... Cuz that's just hella abusive if ur not... 125MPH, thats right, 217KPH right? damn that car's fast...

8600rpm is fine with stock internals. There are tons of people with the Hondata k20a (type r) "flash" that revs to 8800rpm, and they have stock valve springs.:cool:

P.S. 120 is nothing for this car.

[II-Savy]

That may be a nice car, and the Acura products are tops but my dog could eat your dog in one bite!

[dc5 rsx]

Hi, that is apexitypes's car in that video. I've seen it a million times, including on apexitypes's own personal camera after he recorded it.

theres a really good rsx-s vs rsx-s video in apexitypes's sig. thats me vs. him. ;)

[MidnightDreamer]

What's the top speed on the TypeS? You can't be serious that you can take it all the way up to 8600 stock... cuz that's insane! 600rpm is quite a bit over the redline... Isn't there some sort of rev limiter? Seriously, isn't a redline there for a reason? But ignoring that for a second, does it help to take it up that high? 8600 - 8800, will it drop you right into your powerband when upshifting? BTW, i heard that the reverse gear on the S is bot. left... I've never driven manual, how does the car keep you from accidentally shifting into R when doin 1-2 shift?

[Familia323]

i believe that is partly what the Hondata is for... to change the rev limiter..

[dc5 rsx]

I got my car up to 156mph, then it bounced off the rev limiter in 5th gear. 6th gear doesnt make enough power to move with that much wind resistance. yes it is absolutely safe to rev to 8600. a couple weeks ago I was downshifting race someone from a 2nd gear roll, i wasnt paying attention to my mph, 2nd gear redlines at 8600 around 65mph, i was doing like 70mph. I drop it in 2nd, and I see the rev's fly past 9k on the tach, I pop the clutch in as fast as possible. look at my v-afc2, and it read that I revved to 9081 rpms before I pulled it out of the gear, our internals let go between 9100-9200 rpms. I was pretty damn close. **knock on wood**

[APEXiTypeS]

Originally posted by MidnightDreamer
What's the top speed on the TypeS? You can't be serious that you can take it all the way up to 8600 stock... cuz that's insane! 600rpm is quite a bit over the redline... Isn't there some sort of rev limiter? Seriously, isn't a redline there for a reason? But ignoring that for a second, does it help to take it up that high? 8600 - 8800, will it drop you right into your powerband when upshifting? BTW, i heard that the reverse gear on the S is bot. left... I've never driven manual, how does the car keep you from accidentally shifting into R when doin 1-2 shift?

Top speed is drag limited to about 145, stock.

Yes, I am very serious you can take it to 8600rpm with stock interals. I have been doing so for almost a year now. Stock rev limiter is at 8100rpm, Hondata raises it 500rpm, and they lower the vtec from 5800rpm to 5200rpm. Hondata does much more the lower the vtec and raise the rev limiter though. You can learn a lot by checking out hondata's website. Hondata K20A2 (http://hondata.com/k20a2release.html)

The stock intake manifold doesn't do to well above 8000rpm, but with Hondata's tuning, the hp drops very very little after 8000rpm. Peak power comes around 7900rpm, then it just stay flat. So, yes, shifting at 8600rpm helps, a lot. The tq curve is also much better then stock. 90% peak tq comes as low as 2500rpm, and stays flat until about 8000rpm, where it starts to drop.

Finally, reverse is to the right and down. I dont know who told you it was up and left, you might be thinking about the celica gt-s?:confused:

[dc5 rsx]

celica's dont have reverse up to the right, vw's have the reverse down then up and to the left. push the shifter down towards the floor, then up to the left.

[MidnightDreamer]

hehe, bout the shifting, my fault for being uninformed... But damn... I didn't know the K20A2's could be pushed that hard... The S seems like a much better deal than the MSP's... but I would definetely take a MSP over a stocker RSX. dc 5RSX, where were you able to find roadway to hit 260kph? That's insane... Most I ever hit was a little over 200kph goin downhill. Wish I could afford a car like that right now, but I'm only in High School, and I still got 5 yrs post secondary to look foward too before I can start raking in the $$$. I wonder if they'll still be making RSX's and MSP's 6 or so years from now... It'll be interesting to see what kinda cars will hit the market in that time...

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by dc5 rsx
celica's dont have reverse up to the right, vw's have the reverse down then up and to the left. push the shifter down towards the floor, then up to the left.

Man Your car is Fast, Compared the simular 1/4mile times between you and ApexiTypeS. You pull 3cars from a Start and about 2car's from a roll on him. NIce...Me Like's:p

[ricenudles]

a stock integ gsr should be same if not slightly faster than a stock msp. and for the same price of an rsx-s, wouldnt u get a wrx??? although the acuras are well-built, hence the high resale vaule, i think a wrx would be a better buy. jus my opinion though.

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by ricenudles
a stock integ gsr should be same if not slightly faster than a stock msp. and for the same price of an rsx-s, wouldnt u get a wrx??? although the acuras are well-built, hence the high resale vaule, i think a wrx would be a better buy. jus my opinion though.

whoever told you that, Should be bi**h Slapped(spank) LOL. No the Integ is a tad slower in the 0-60 and 1/4mile by .3-.5 slower than an MSP. But once it get's into the triple digit speed's, then they might be a driver's race.;)

[APEXiTypeS]

Originally posted by tritonheat1
Man Your car is Fast, Compared the simular 1/4mile times between you and ApexiTypeS. You pull 3cars from a Start and about 2car's from a roll on him. NIce...Me Like's:p

At the time of his 1/4 mile time, his mods were the same as mine. Our cars WERE dead even, the only reason he ran faster is because he had about 100lbs of removed wieght over me.

In the videos in my sig, the only mod he has over me is the comptech race header. He hasn't got any new 1/4 mile times yet since the header, but his car is difiantly good for 13's.....Once it gets a little cooler here in south florida, we should both be running 13's.:p

[tritonheat1]

Good to hear, BTW: i like both of your RSX's they kick *ss.;)

[APEXiTypeS]

Originally posted by tritonheat1
BTW: i like both of your RSX's they kick *ss.;)
Thanks(drinks)