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Just my luck, finally got the ECU flash yesterday, and it started to f'n snow.
So, going to buy my winters today. Probably going on very shortly. I live on a large hill, so I can't take the chance of not getting home since most of my driving is early morning, or late at night....ideal snow times
Just in Case their might be someone that hasn't been told yet
DO NO DRIVE WITH THE STOCK BRIDGESTONE TIRES ON IN SNOW!
There's only 1000's messages here saying the same, but I thought I'd stick that reminder out again as i do not want to see anyone hurt
funnylittlman
10-21-2003, 08:13 AM
What are you going to get Newf?
pdhaudio83
10-21-2003, 08:26 AM
blizzak!! :D
blizzak = CRAP
Can't stand them. for the money their horrible. I got some steelies ( puke ) and getting a better winter tire loaded with studs. If you know what to look for in a winter tread pattern, and you can use studs in your area, you do not need blizzaks. Now if you can't use studs....your stuck, but I still wouldn't pay that kind of money for blizzaks. I've driven many cars with them, and they aren't that great for our winters up here.
I tried getting some cheap 15" rims for winter, but I just gave up.
MazdaDryvr
10-21-2003, 08:59 AM
I hear ya newf. Got the "ICE" warning on the mirror yesterday morning and drove to work VERY carefully. :) I got a set of pirelli snows on steelies, I guess the time has come. Stupid winter!
shinzen
10-21-2003, 09:33 AM
Hey- the pirelli 210 snowsport in the 16" size have gotten great reviews, and not just on snow- on tirerack.com they have them for 102/ea in the 16" size- just my .02
laracroft
10-21-2003, 09:37 AM
Yeah, like most of us have got $408 burning a hole in our pockets. lol I WISH!
PaulMP3
10-21-2003, 09:38 AM
i have pirelli on my 15" steelies and i think they work great, i have had my car in deep snow with no problems. Im not sure of the model # they are in my attic( hopefully for at least another month)
MazdaDryvr
10-21-2003, 09:49 AM
I don't remember what model mine are either. They are on 15" rims I think. They seemed to work quite well this past winter. ( I got my car in Feb so I grabbed the snows right away.) The tires and steelies were about $800 Cdn from the dealer.
Raptor
10-21-2003, 09:59 AM
Go for Nokian Hakka 1 which are studdables :D
http://www.nokiantires.com/newsite/tires_popup.cfm?id=3
http://www.nokiantires.com/newsite/_cache/b239358759b69e6bdc0289b240e16141.jpg
servoeyes
10-21-2003, 10:14 AM
I went with 15" Pirelli Snowsports which are perfect for CT winters. They handle extremly well in the dry for a snow tire, and handle slush really well. My only big issue was hard stops, but that's because my rotors were massive ly warped from the factory, I believe. The ABS has been wonderful since I got them replaced.
I'e got one moe auto-x this season on the Bridgestones, and then the snows go on. Hopefully the snow this week won't be too bad!
flat_black
10-21-2003, 10:23 AM
Nokians rule! This year I'm picking up a set of Toyo Observe's in 195/60R15's, instead of my usual Nokian Hakka Q's. =) Just for a change of pace. See how they work. I hear good things about them!
<img src="http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_lines/popups/jpgs/obser.jpg">
On these rims, painted by me. =)
<img src="http://www.coonsden.furtopia.org/photos/unsorted/winter-wheels2.jpg">
Originally posted by Raptor
Go for Nokian Hakka 1 which are studdables :D
I bought the Q's too.
I'm getting them mounted on 15" 5 spoke American Racing wheels; cheaper wheel but alteast is better looking than those Steelies!
Black Majik MSP
10-21-2003, 10:56 AM
HA HA, warm & sunny here in FL! :p
Seriously though, be careful up there! :)
shinzen
10-21-2003, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Raptor
Go for Nokian Hakka 1 which are studdables :D
http://www.nokiantires.com/newsite/tires_popup.cfm?id=3
http://www.nokiantires.com/newsite/_cache/b239358759b69e6bdc0289b240e16141.jpg
How pricey are these things?
FrigginGLI
10-21-2003, 11:18 AM
Whats Snow? :p
All I feel is oven roasting heat in Florida.
ThrillRide
10-21-2003, 11:41 AM
i feel for you guys. it is beautiful her in TX, clear blue, dry air and about 75.
thanks for the info though. i like the looks of those Nokian Hakka. i go skiing every year so i will look into those.
strange, my post never showed up
Anyhow, my tires
200 for steelies
72 for each tire, 8 bucks for studs. Balancing and install free
add tax
Done.
Canadian $$$
Notorious
10-21-2003, 04:21 PM
I thought it would be worth mentioning that it is a nice 78 degrees on the coast here in san diego, with a nice soft breeze.
BlueMP5Dave
10-21-2003, 04:27 PM
94 here in Vegas, Glad I don't live in Alaska anymore.
GotBoost
10-21-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Black Majik MSP
HA HA, warm & sunny here in FL! :p
Seriously though, be careful up there! :)
I'm with you on that one. If I ever move to a snowy climate I'll buy an old beater 4wd truck for the winters and put the MSP up on blocks...but for now i'll just enjoy the hot humid florida weather.
SpicyMchaggis
10-21-2003, 04:35 PM
haha i have hubcap less steelies on all year round! i like to consider them as my rally tires.. that..and I don't like to think of myself as N/A..I like to think of myself as in vacumn all day
Guys, mentioning how warm it is, ain't helping any :(
2001GTI1.8T
10-21-2003, 06:06 PM
Hey Newf, where'd you buy your steelies?
girth
10-21-2003, 06:37 PM
You warm climate people suck hind tit.
I'm getting my winter tires and rims at the end of this week. Hopefully everything will fit OK. I went with some semi-cheap 16" aluminum rims with Semperit Snowsports for tires. They're not even on yet and I can't wait to take them off.:(
AFaceInTheCrowd
10-21-2003, 07:35 PM
i donno, but i hate HOT weather. it sucks. no matter wtf you do, your still gonna be hot in HOT weather. you could be ass naked and still be hot.
cold weather is cool. you could put on like a jacket or another shirt and it's all good. i like cold weather, i like being warm in cold weather. the best is a hot tub in the snow... OMG... yyyeeeesss... and with women especially... HOLY CRAP..... OOOOOOOOHHHHHH YEAH. sauna in the snow is super tyte too... hmmmmm... i miss mammoth mountain... :'(
uhh oh yeah, snow tires. howbout those continental contiextreme tires. they have a pretty good reputation in the snow. it's on the matrix xrs awd as a stock tire.
instylz
10-21-2003, 07:38 PM
Anyone have any pics as to how these "steelies" look? Thanks hehe
Dreeza
10-21-2003, 07:42 PM
whoa, back up....does this apply to the sedan too??
whats wrong with my tires????
mooS mooS
10-21-2003, 07:48 PM
geezus... it was 92 degrees here in Vegas today ....
I was Freezing my balls off .... =p
vindication
10-21-2003, 08:06 PM
I am partial to the Pirelli 210 snowsports. Nothing but great reviews. I'm getting them at the end of this week.
Dreeza
10-21-2003, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Dreeza
whoa, back up....does this apply to the sedan too??
whats wrong with my tires????
any answers to this?? or does this thread just apply to the bridgestones on the MSP?
KyRaceFan
10-21-2003, 08:14 PM
i live in Ky, and usually by now, its in the 40's every day.. but this week we are expecting 70s. God its nice!!!
I cant wait for winter, im too cheap to buy snow tires, so i bet it will be fun in the MSP. :D
KyRaceFan
10-21-2003, 08:24 PM
and yes it applies to the bridgestones on the MSP.
Dreeza
10-21-2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by KyRaceFan
and yes it applies to the bridgestones on the MSP.
but not to mine?
KyRaceFan
10-21-2003, 08:30 PM
Unless you have bridgestone Potenza RE-040's that came on the MSP.. i dont think other proteges have them.
girth
10-21-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Dreeza
but not to mine?
It all depends on your climate. If you drive in a lot of snow it would be MUCH safer to get snow tires. I had a 2000 ES and I drove the stock tires in 2 winters and made it through without any accidents but there were definitely a few hair-raising moments. The stock tires SUCK in snow....but you don't have to get snows if you enjoy the occasional "high pucker factor" moments.
EDIT - I used the sedan's tires in the winter but that was when they were coming with Bridgestones on them. Now I'm not sure what they come with -- if they come with the same tires that are on the P5 then I'd look into snows.
Dreeza
10-21-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by KyRaceFan
Unless you have bridgestone Potenza RE-040's that came on the MSP.. i dont think other proteges have them.
ahhh, ok, cool, when i first posted i didnt realize it was in the MSP section
Dreeza
10-21-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by girth
It all depends on your climate. If you drive in a lot of snow it would be MUCH safer to get snow tires. I had a 2000 ES and I drove the stock tires in 2 winters and made it through without any accidents but there were definitely a few hair-raising moments. The stock tires SUCK in snow....but you don't have to get snows if you enjoy the occasional "high pucker factor" moments.
lol, well, we get snow and ice....
i managed just fine in my 1st gen with no abs, lol, so i guess ill be ok
BlkZoomZoom
10-21-2003, 09:22 PM
Not to change the subject but I just put on my studded snows on my rx-7...... this should be a fun winter car
Gbourdon
10-22-2003, 12:36 PM
How bad can the the stock bridgestones really be? I don't want to shell out the bacon for snow tires. Plus I don't have anywhere to store an extra set of wheels. I've driven just about anything in jsut about any weather and haven't had much trouble. The only times I ever went off the road were because I was screwing around, and that was all rear wheel drive cars. I am going to see how bad it is before buying. (it's flurrying outside now....scared...)
flat_black
10-22-2003, 01:02 PM
Hey! Another New Hampshireite! =) Welcome to the boards, Gbourdon. FYI, I'm in Manch-vegas. =) There's a few of us hereabouts. Anyway, I know what you mean in that respect. =) In a pinch, I drove my old Volvo 740 in a freak blizzard, the wheels wrapped in summer tires (Toyo Proxie T1-S'), and scooted along okay. Or at least well enough to get to the Town Faire Tire, to get a set of winter tires on my older 14's for the car. ; ) Hehee. Growing up in New England gets you used to driving in the snow, but the reason I have for getting snows is because of others who DON'T have them, so I can avoid them when they understeer all the way across the road, headed for me. ;) It makes emergency manuvers that much easier, I suppose.
Swerny
10-22-2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Gbourdon
How bad can the the stock bridgestones really be? I don't want to shell out the bacon for snow tires. Plus I don't have anywhere to store an extra set of wheels. I've driven just about anything in jsut about any weather and haven't had much trouble. The only times I ever went off the road were because I was screwing around, and that was all rear wheel drive cars. I am going to see how bad it is before buying. (it's flurrying outside now....scared...)
How bad? The RE 040's are the biggest POS for winter i have ever driven ! The Toyo's on my Integra were bad, these were worse. They are straight summer tires, and as far as i know, they are not M&S (mud and snow) rated. I got stuck in the freezing rain last year when i jumped the gun and put the summers back on and almost died a thousand times driving home. I had to cave and put the winters back on because the snow and rain lasted a week.
PLEASE DO NOT DRIVE THE STOCK MSP TIRES IN THE SNOW. It will save you at least a Racing Hart or 2.
Fellow snow-belters, chime in anytime here.
Originally posted by MS MSP
PLEASE DO NOT DRIVE THE STOCK MSP TIRES IN THE SNOW.
Well, simply put, you CAN'T. The minute the surface of the tires meets snow, the car doesn't go anywhere.
spacemonkey
10-22-2003, 01:44 PM
What is this "NEw Found Land" you speak of? I never seen snow...I wish It would snow once in Florida! But I'm learning alot...I guess taking advice from a guy who lives in Newfoundland and has to deal with the harsh Canadian winter is the best way to go. Seriosuly, I would have keep my stock tires...then again I know nothing about winter preperation for cars! Thanks for the post incase I ever move up north or travel up north.
DO NOT DRIVE THE STOCK MSP TIRES IN THE SNOW - PERIOD!
Can't say it strongly enough. They're NOT all-seasons. They're NOT snow tires. They're fine for 3 seasons, but once it's below 30 degrees or AT ALL frizen you're going nowhere unless the wind or gravity takes you there.
Semperit Snowsports $72 each shipped from tires.com (Discount Tire) on P5 rims. Girth's a copycat! OK, truth be told,. we PM'd about the decision together...
Conti Extreme? Yep - has a GREAT reputation in the snow, BUT WAS INTRODUCED ONLY LAST APRIL! It hasn't SNOWED since then!!!... can't trust everything you read, but that said, given the tread pattern they shouldn't be TOO bad. ANYTHING all-season will be better than the RE040's. Call tirerack.com, they'll tell you. Ask for Oscar, he helped me out a bunch with snow tires for our other car.
And yes, there isn't an all-season made that can hang with real snow tires in the snow. Snows are that much better.
Oh - check tirerack.com - in their testing the "ice" tires (non-studdable) had better grip than studded snows on ice. By definition, to hold the studs in you have to have a harder rubber compound, which can compromise ice/snow traction... read up, there's great info on www.tirerack.com .
Good luck, all - and happy skiing! Can't wait to break out the RCS skates... and prayin' for some good blue-wax sunshiney days...
Well, if i lived in "FLOR-I-D-A" I probably wouldn't worry about "S-N-O-W" Either. Duh. j/k :)
All jokes aside, I couldn't even pull into my driveway with like a 5 degree incline with a measly two inches of snow in it with my MP3 and the Dunlops. Once the rubber gets cold, it's useless in snow.
the orange speed that originally came here for me, came on Boxing Day, Xmas. They couldn't get it off the boat because of snow. They towed it around by truck. The Dock is obviously perfectly flat but the car just wouldn't move without ruining the tires spinning like nuts. They basically had to put snow tires on it then and there due to it not wanting to move.
Seriously guys, if you have a snowy climate, don't tempt fate and screw around. Get them off!. Think of it this way. You'll be saving your good rubber for when you can really drive it, and you won't have to replace the really $$$ tires so often.
oliver2000
10-22-2003, 04:23 PM
DO NOT DRIVE WITH THE STOCK TIRES IN THE SNOW ! OK ?
YuYuRena
10-22-2003, 04:24 PM
so when is a good time for the new england area peeps to switch to snow tires? now? me confused. first time living up in the snow area
Gbourdon
10-22-2003, 04:51 PM
Fine fine snow tires it is. Dammit. Holding off on the guages and the MBC even longer. Thanks for saving my fenders.
Flat_Black : I'm over in Keene right now but I run back and forth to portsmouth and concord a lot. Keep your eyes open for a blue streak of MSP!
Swerny
10-22-2003, 05:27 PM
Your fenders are one thing.....your life or someone elses are another.
Ping said it, no all season tire can hang with winter tires in the snow. The RE 040's aren't even all-season tires, they're summers.
Swerny
10-22-2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by YuYuRena
so when is a good time for the new england area peeps to switch to snow tires? now? me confused. first time living up in the snow area
My advice, get them installed on winter rims/steelies now. When it snows, and i mean snow that stays on the ground that requires you to shovel the driveway, get out ther and put them on. Jack it up yourself, or get them installed.
Save yourself the trouble of waiting until first snowfall to decide to go and get winters. Have fun waiting for hours, if you can even get an appointment then.
shinzen
10-22-2003, 06:27 PM
have you used the semperits before ping? I was looking at the pirelli 210 snowsports that have great reviews, but no feedback on the semperits
BlkZoomZoom
10-22-2003, 06:40 PM
--If anyone is interested I can probably get a good deal on steel wheels from work......... The steel wheels off of Mazda6's will fit and we have a ton of them......If anybodys interested I will get more info.....let me know
YuYuRena
10-22-2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by MS MSP
My advice, get them installed on winter rims/steelies now. When it snows, and i mean snow that stays on the ground that requires you to shovel the driveway, get out ther and put them on. Jack it up yourself, or get them installed.
Save yourself the trouble of waiting until first snowfall to decide to go and get winters. Have fun waiting for hours, if you can even get an appointment then.
I got my snow tires on steelie already. I guess my Q was whether to swap out my Racing Harts to snow right now?
Dreeza
10-22-2003, 06:52 PM
i have potenza 92s on my car...can any one tell me how these are for snow (or tell me where to look it up?) thanks:D
MS MSP is right on the money. The biggest problem is getting the tires. If you wait until it snows....you'll be screwed because every other moron that waited is going to be wanting tires too.
Get them now, leave them in the shed, house, bedroom ( I really don't care) and when you have the type of snow that's sticking around....put them on. Simple as that.
Listen, to all the dis-believers. Leave your tires on ( get winters still ), and when it snows, and I mean SNOWS as in it stays on the road ( Not slush...SNOW, you know when roads are icey and have snow on top ) pull your car out of your driveway and drive 50 feet on a road that hasn't been driven on ( your making the first tracks ), hit the brakes turn the wheel, etc. It's that obvious you'll know we're not kidding. now imagine at freeway speeds with cars around.
That being said, I have never driven my SPeed in the snow. I'm only assuming the bridgestones are as bad as the Dunlops were on my mp3. And from what other people have told me...they are. I'll try my car once to see, but it will be in a safe and controlled way only out of curiosity. Not "oh it's snowing, I'm going to drive all the way to work anyways, and hope for the best" kinda drive ( DUMB )
I'd be willing to bet I could drive circles around most of you in the snow ( only because it's a way of life here ), and I've driven a lot of different types of cars/trucks with good and very Bad tires on them in snow storms and such. I'm the type that loves winter driving, and if it's a storm, I drive around just f'n around. No car has ever scared me or intimmidated me to the point where I said...no, it's snowing out, I'm not going anywhere with those tires on........until I got caught in the mp3 one night driving home from work. a 5 min drive took 30 mins, and I was spinning on even the flattest of roads while everyone else was driving around looking at me like...wtf is wrong with him?
shinzen
10-22-2003, 08:03 PM
I am completely with you newf- the dunlops are scary in the snow, and I have drivin in colorado for 12 years- DO NOT USE A SUMMER TIRE IN THE SNOW, you will wreck your car- if for no other reason than you can't avoid the other idiots sliding all over the place- I love driving in the snow, but not with the tires I have on now- Think I will get a set of the pirelli 210 snowsports- they are rated well on dry, wet, and snow....
Dreeza
10-22-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Dreeza
i have potenza 92s on my car...can any one tell me how these are for snow (or tell me where to look it up?) thanks:D
anyone???
Swerny
10-23-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Dreeza
anyone???
HORRIBLE. I had the misfortune of having those on my Integra. Useless as tits on a bull.
By buddy bought an Impreza last night that has those tires. will see what he says once it snows. He does have AWD though, but i bet they will still suck. Treadwear is 160. So it's too soft for winter IMO.
Originally posted by Black Majik MSP
HA HA, warm & sunny here in FL! :p
Seriously though, be careful up there! :)
lol for real 75 o here
girth
10-23-2003, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by ping
DO NOT DRIVE THE STOCK MSP TIRES IN THE SNOW - PERIOD!
Semperit Snowsports $72 each shipped from tires.com (Discount Tire) on P5 rims. Girth's a copycat! OK, truth be told,. we PM'd about the decision together...
Ha ha, yes I did copy (except for the P5 rims...nobody wanted to sell them to me). Ping pointed me in the direction of the Semperits and my mind was made up. They're cheap too if you get them in the 205-55/16 size. Plus they're T speed rating if I remember correctly, which is kind of nice. I haven't driven them in snow but the tread pattern looks good and the price was right. Hopefully they'll work great.:)
SpeedGirl25
10-23-2003, 07:11 PM
When I bought my car I made sure that part of my sales contract was a brand new set of All Season tires...Faulken 512's. I think....my boyfriend actually did it all. What kind of things could possibly go wrong if you have the summer tires on there? I know they absolutely suck in the rain too!!
Gbourdon
10-24-2003, 09:24 AM
I am going to try and find some cheap steelies this weekend. I am going to a couple of salvage yards around here. My dealership said they didn't have any sitting around. I think i am going to go with the Blizzaks. I drive an hour to work down some shitty shitty roads. Anybody know what the lug spacing is on the MSP?
JunkPunch
10-24-2003, 10:17 AM
If you live in a place where the roads are more icy than snowy, get Blizzaks. They are fantastic on ice. They are also like driving on marshmallows. First time you take a corner, you WILL be terrified.
If you live in a place where there is snow on the roads, you want something with a more open tread. Nokian Hakka 1s are about the best snow tire you can get. And they handle pretty well on dry/wet also. Gislaved also makes an excellent snow tire. Neither are cheap, but they are worth it.
fatorangecat
10-24-2003, 10:19 AM
Hey BlkZoomZoom-
I'd be interested in some steelies- any idea on price? (I'd drive to pick them up. Its a fun drive to Albany.)
BTW- the time to put snows on in New England is... now! Saw snow yesterday morning.
-Jim
flat_black
10-24-2003, 10:45 AM
Gbourdon: The wheels are 114.3x5 on the lugs, with a 67.1mm centerbore, which can make it a bitch to find wheels. Hehee. $40 a peice at most any auto place. The wheels off an early ninetys 929 fit, as well.
msp_driver
10-24-2003, 01:05 PM
well, I wish I could say it was time for the snow tires to come out, but today is a high of 87 and a low of around 75. It really sux.
subaruwrx
10-24-2003, 05:43 PM
82 degrees in San Francisco... Nice autumn weather.
--A
:p It was 28 degrees for my morning run today..
:p I got hit in the forehead with a big wet SNOWFLAKE on my road ride yesterday
:p I froZe my A$$ off coaching my son's soccer game last night
Conclusion: Athletics makes one freeze. Avoid it, stay inside, and do something else!
and...
DO NOT DRIVE ON THE STOCK BRIDGESTONES IN THE SNOW!
Emode
10-24-2003, 06:28 PM
when got my MSP in february, there was all kinds of snow
it sucks so bad
imagine sitting on a perfectly flat parking lot, with your freinds laughing at you, cause your tires just spin
get dem tires
Emode
10-24-2003, 06:30 PM
or just do what im doing, the $300 beater
salt is not my friend
Gbourdon
10-26-2003, 07:55 PM
Got some cheapo snow tires yesterday. I decided to just get some knockoff brand that VIP carries. The guy says they are a copy of a Goodyear snow tire. Whetever. They are studable and the tread is pretty agressive. Paid 450 bucks for 15" steelies, tires, hubcaps, lugnuts, mounted, balanced, road hazard warranty, and put on the car. At least I'm not still going to try driving my re040's in the snow any more
boostaddict
10-26-2003, 09:49 PM
If you live in the Ottawa area check out Performance Mazda they have hakka 1's and steels for $699 (CDN) mounted etc.
If you want ultimate snow performance remember to go as skinny as you can... wide tires just don't dig in. The ones I got are 185/65/15.
If you are looking at blizzak's keep in mind that the good tread pattern and rubber only goes to 1/2 the tread depth so they become useless long before they are technically worn out.
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