Evo8/sti/msp

[3.5titanuimSD]

Would the msp be in the same class with an sti or an evo8, Cuz u know how the evo8 is like a fixed lancer, and the sti is a fixed up impreza. Wouldn't the msp be in the same class since it's a fixed up protege?

[Notorious]

ummm..... no

[3.5titanuimSD]

really

[Notorious]

We don't have all wheel drive, or make over 271 hp. 2 completely differents cars. We compete with se-r's and svt focus. Stuff like that.

[3.5titanuimSD]

thanks..... just a thought

[3.5titanuimSD]

hey did u go to qualcom last night notorious, i did, then left cuz there was a $10 fees to watch.

[PaulMP3]

nope, not even close. They both have upgraded engines and trannys. You guys got the shaft, you got stuck with a protege with a little ass turbo kit.

[Notorious]

naw i had to work, i'm going up to life in LA tomorrow with jason and possibly geoff. You down to go?

[3.5titanuimSD]

got work.. what happen to our meets on sundays

[Notorious]

i'm gonna post in the cali section, i dont know if anyone is going.

[perfworks]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Opps sorry i did it again.
**disregard this post**

[Notorious]

Originally posted by 3.5titanuimSD
hey did u go to qualcom last night notorious, i did, then left cuz there was a $10 fees to watch.

Now I think of it Chris was there with his rx-7.

[3.5titanuimSD]

yea he wanted to have a meet @ qualcom

[SonicRacer]

The MSP is nothing but a hopped up grocery getter.

There is absolutly no comparison, it takes more than a turbo to be in the same class.

[3.5titanuimSD]

same class meaning like fixed up versions of these models, like lancer is to evo, impreza is to Sti, and neon is to Srt-4, protege is to msp and sentra is to SER.

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by 3.5titanuimSD
same class meaning like fixed up versions of these models, like lancer is to evo, impreza is to Sti, and neon is to Srt-4, protege is to msp and sentra is to SER.

They are all factory modified, but not in the same class.

Were there only Evolution model Lancers in Japan? That's one thing I never have known. If not, I'm sure they were better than that pile of crap we got.

STI WRX's and Evo Lancers are total bad ace cars, the MS Protege is not when in compared. The Lancer OZ Edition would be more suited to be in the MS Protege class than the Evo. (laugh) (well, more so with the Protege MP3 than MS Protege.)

If Mazda threw another 10k onto the price, made it AWD, and done a LOT more upgrading... then it'd be up there along with them. ;)

[Black Majik MSP]

There ARE different model EVOs over there. I believe they have the RS & the GSR.

Also, how can you compare the WRX to the Protege as the base model. The only similarity is that the STi will trash the MSP about as bad as the WRX will trash the Protege.

[INGREXCO]

my goal for this car is to take on evo's

[Matthew]

Originally posted by INGREXCO
my goal for this car is to take on evo's

youve got a lot of work to do. like 100hp worth of work. and then if they put and intake and exhaust on, you got even more to work on lol!!!!

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by INGREXCO
my goal for this car is to take on evo's

Least you have a higher goal than a lot of people on here... wanting to take out turbo Neons and such. :D

Mid 13's I'll definatly be happy with in this car. This is not suppose to be my car to modify however.... My RX-7 is. (I haven't even seen that car in over 2 weeks. It's flooded at my girlfriends house 90 miles away) Sorry baby, I still love you! (refering to the RX-7, not the girlfriend :)). It's hard to focus on anything but this car now. :)

[FrozenMazda]

FLOODED??? What happened?

(sorry for the thread jack).

[3.5titanuimSD]

Hey frozen u had a mx-6? i had an mx3, sick, and we both now have titanium msp ......life is good.

[3.5titanuimSD]

dang! this thread is gettig alot of views

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by 3.5titanuimSD
Hey frozen u had a mx-6? i had an mx3, sick, and we both now have titanium msp ......life is good.

Low and behold, I've got a Probe (same chasis/motor as MX-6, same motor series as MX-3 V-6) and a Titanium MSP now. :p

Frozen, it's an RX-7 FC. Flooding is what they do best. :D Actually, it could be a blown motor for all I know. :shrug: But from what my girlfriend says when she turns it over it sounds flooded.

[FrozenMazda]

Ah. I thought you meant flooded as in it's sitting in 4ft of water somewhere (rofl) I know... I'm an idiot.

And yes 3.5titanuimSD... life is sure good :D

[RODSCALIP5]

So would the Sport-20 AWD with a turbo be in the same class?

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by RODSCALIP4
So would the Sport-20 AWD with a turbo be in the same class?

If it had more than "just a turbo" and other upgrades.... perhaps.

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by FrozenMazda
Ah. I thought you meant flooded as in it's sitting in 4ft of water somewhere (rofl) I know... I'm an idiot.



That an Oregon joke? I've killed for less.

:p

[FrozenMazda]

(lol)

You got it registered on the coast... been away from news for a while. Thought some storm came in. (like I said above... I'm an idiot).

I think I hear my village calling me.

[Crockett59]

The EVO8 is an awesome car, I test drove one before the Girlfriend bought this. It handles great, the power is there, all you have to do is push harder. I loved it, actually thought about trading my truck in on one. (For about 3 seconds) I want one bad still.

The WRX didn't impress me one bit. The clutch on the one I drove was F***ed up, it had like 200 miles on it. The guys was like, "You feel that power?" What power......

I like this MSP, it's got some cool stuff on it that I like. The wheels, the stereo (Hey it's better then most factory), it's got some decent handling. I think with a better exhust, CAI, Boost controller, hard pipes, and a FMIC it will be fine.

[Notorious]

WRX isn't the lowest on the totem pole. 2.5RS is. The WRX is overrated to me anyways. Rather have the msp over the wrx even though it is a little faster.



Originally posted by Black Majik MSP
There ARE different model EVOs over there. I believe they have the RS & the GSR.

Also, how can you compare the WRX to the Protege as the base model. The only similarity is that the STi will trash the MSP about as bad as the WRX will trash the Protege.

[YuYuRena]

Originally posted by SonicRacer
They are all factory modified, but not in the same class.

Were there only Evolution model Lancers in Japan? That's one thing I never have known. If not, I'm sure they were better than that pile of crap we got.

STI WRX's and Evo Lancers are total bad ace cars, the MS Protege is not when in compared. The Lancer OZ Edition would be more suited to be in the MS Protege class than the Evo. (laugh) (well, more so with the Protege MP3 than MS Protege.)

If Mazda threw another 10k onto the price, made it AWD, and done a LOT more upgrading... then it'd be up there along with them. ;)

True!

Here's the site to prove them if you can read Japanese:
The first site is the baseline "Lancer" and the other page shows you that they got 3 version of the lancer evo viii.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/LANCER/lineup.html
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/EVO/lineup.html

Samething for Subaru
http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/index.html

[ND4MSP]

Would the MSP get a little more love if the MP3 where never to have came out? Then the speed would be very exeptional over base in every category. I like my speed a lot. It is what it is, and for the money you cant beat the all around package that you get. I see what the thread starter was getting to. It could be considered a factory hot rod over base type platform.

[unwrittenLaw]

Look at the price difference between the MSP and Evo/Sti..that should tell you they're in different classes...

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by ND4MSP
for the money you cant beat the all around package that you get.

Sure you can, it's called a Dodge Neon SRT-4. (that's gonna stike a nerve with some people on here (laugh)) Sorry, I have a non-biased opinion with cars and only speak what I find to be the truth. :)


Yes, we all love our MSPs and we got them over other cars for a reason.

[mp5jeff]

srt-4 is an engine only car, have u seen the interior? o ya last night at moroso it was like a dodge meet, was about 12 srt-4's and they were all running low 15's/high 14's just thought id throw that out there

[redrims]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
srt-4 is an engine only car, have u seen the interior? o ya last night at moroso it was like a dodge meet, was about 12 srt-4's and they were all running low 15's/high 14's just thought id throw that out there

ALL of them drive like shit...Out of 12 SRTs, it's hard for me to believe that not one hit low 14s. They all can't be that bad in driving.

I have 3 friends with them and all of them run mid-low 14s all night long.


Drivers' vary...Heck, the fastest I've ever seen any MSP run at a track was 15.6 and I know they are faster than that.

[mp5jeff]

there was 2 running low 14;s but they were modded...but ya alot of them were 16 yr olds that didnt know how to drive

[redrims]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
there was 2 running low 14;s but they were modded...but ya alot of them were 16 yr olds that didnt know how to drive

lol...that's funny. Just the opposite here. Most of the SRT owners in my area a mostly middle-age men. Most 26 and older. I meet a owner that was nearly 50...lol

[mp5jeff]

really? man its not like that here, buncha young kids around me...lots of kids in civics with fartcan exhausts trying to race me all the time, i just laugh at em..

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
srt-4 is an engine only car, have u seen the interior? o ya last night at moroso it was like a dodge meet, was about 12 srt-4's and they were all running low 15's/high 14's just thought id throw that out there

Yes I have seen the interior. I like Viper seats, thank you. :) Those along with the other stylish features. Pretty comparable to the MSP's from what I remember.

There is a guy on the board running high 15's (I believe) in his MSP on the same track. :shrug: And? Not sure which member on here it was though. Those guys w/ the SRT-4's can't drive obviously. Those cars are faster than that. That track is suppose to be good too, isn't it? :confused: What's the elevation there by the way?

side note: If put down 5k on a new Viper on a 72 month loan, with 6.5% apr my monthly payments would only be $1,341.35! (that's over 16k in interest, ouch!) Wish I knew that before I bought a friggin Protege! :D

[mp5jeff]

yes, but the msp is supposed to run 15's stock, srt-4 supposed to run 14.2 or something stock...and ya the track is pretty good condition as long as no one crashed b4 u run haha, not positive on the elevation, i could find out tho

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
alot of them were 16 yr olds that didnt know how to drive

Dang, I was I had a $20+k car when I was 16.

[mp5jeff]

same here sonic...o well

[mp5jeff]

at moroso you have to have a parents signature if under 18, not sure how they did that unless they forged signatures

[markmurray77]

Originally posted by redrims
lol...that's funny. Just the opposite here. Most of the SRT owners in my area a mostly middle-age men. Most 26 and older. I meet a owner that was nearly 50...lol

When the hell did 26 +become middle aged that is some real :bs:

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
same here sonic...o well

Wow, weird. My friend use to have the same graphics as you. Take a look:
http://www.geocities.com/sonicracer852/pro5-3.jpg

(now he's got the WW kit w/ no graphics)

[charles]

The 323 GTR (or maybe GTX) might be more comparable :-P

[mp5jeff]

didnt work sonic...link is correct?

[charles]

here's sonic's pic

[SonicRacer]

Originally posted by mp5jeff
didnt work sonic...link is correct?

Not sure why it didnt' work. Click the 'sonic racing' in my sig. Enter the site and go to "friends of Sonic Racing" it's toward the bottom. Then open "Dale's Protege".....

[mp5jeff]

sometimes at work shit is blocked, they dont want us searchin the web really haha =)

[charles]

it's the way geocities works, you have to copy the link manually

[mp5jeff]

ya thats where i got my idea from those graphics, you can tell how i cut mine up a bit more and made the front piece longer, you can acctualy just buy that graphic kit that ur friend had on his car from websites if im not mistaken, thats where i got my idea from a local shop

[markmurray77]

Originally posted by markmurray77
When the hell did 26 +become middle aged that is some real :bs:

[mp5jeff]

nah not that specific car, i saw the design at a local shop and took that idea and went a little bit further

[redrims]

Originally posted by markmurray77
When the hell did 26 +become middle aged that is some real :bs:

I was saying the YOUNGEST I met was 26...thats why I said 26 and up...

[Flat Black]

Originally posted by paulmp3
nope, not even close. They both have upgraded engines and trannys. You guys got the shaft, you got stuck with a protege with a little ass turbo kit.

I think you got the shaft. A car that originally has as much power as a base Sentra.

[unwrittenLaw]

Yes, all of us MSP owners got the shaft :rolleyes:
More MSP bashing, what a surprise...

[perfworks]

Originally posted by unwrittenLaw
Yes, all of us MSP owners got the shaft :rolleyes:
More MSP bashing, what a surprise...
I think it is a great car.
The only thing i would have like to see is AWD.
That would make it an Fing amazing car. Then i wouldnt mind modding the shit out of it. The engine was cake. The AWD would make it worth wild for more like a standalone and such

[Ryan]

i dunno i wouldn't say were in the same class but i definately will say we can compete with them...

[MazdaDryvr]

I dont care for AWD on my sports car thank you very much! :) I looked at the WRX before I bought the MSP and it wasnt worth the extra coin IMO. I like the MSP styling in and out better also. :D

[unwrittenLaw]

Originally posted by perfworks
I think it is a great car.
The only thing i would have like to see is AWD.
That would make it an Fing amazing car. Then i wouldnt mind modding the shit out of it. The engine was cake. The AWD would make it worth wild for more like a standalone and such

I agree....but for around 20K..I don't think anyone's 'getting the shaft'

[perfworks]

Originally posted by unwrittenLaw
I agree....but for around 20K..I don't think anyone's 'getting the shaft'
same here

[AGR]

And; I know most of you know my feelings on our cars. For $20,500 (retail), there isn't a car out there I would be happier with. No way! (thumb)

[Flat Black]

Originally posted by perfworks
I think it is a great car.
The only thing i would have like to see is AWD.
That would make it an Fing amazing car. Then i wouldnt mind modding the shit out of it. The engine was cake. The AWD would make it worth wild for more like a standalone and such

I for one wouldnt be interested in the drive train power loss with awd. I real sports car will always be RWD.

[YuYuRena]

Originally posted by Flat Black
I for one wouldnt be interested in the drive train power loss with awd. I real sports car will always be RWD.

I agree as well. conservative estimate of drivetrain loss on awd is at least 25%, I personally think 30% is much more realistic on mass-produced awd system.

Plus rwd separates steering wheels from driving wheels.

[FBI14]

The Evo ( Its not the Evo8 in the US) did not appeal to me at all, turbo lag, notchy shitfer (not that the MSP's is one to brag about), checkered blue interior, "mushy" brakes and having to rev high at a stop to get a smooth start. It just didnt seem to be for the road or everyday at all to me. The MSP isnt the greatest performer ever but in its CLASS its solid in all areas. A solid performer thats paritical for everyday use.
Side Note about the Turbo Lag on the Evo: When it was tested aganist the STi this is what Car and Driver had to say about it... "Its transverse - mounted 2.0 liter DOCH in-line four is turbocharged to within an inch of its life with a maximum of 19.5 pounds of boost. Consequently, its power dellivery is, at best, uneven. At low speed, there's a two-second gap between throttle application and full turbo boost. Then the engine virtually explodes with power, the turbo hissing in sinister fashion.
For example, becasue we waited forever for turbo boost to come on during our 30-to-50 mph top gear acceleration test, the Evo's time was a bog-slow 11.7 seconds.."
In an eariler C/D, they tested the MSP and the 30-to-50 top gear acceleration was 9.9 seconds

[perfworks]

Originally posted by Flat Black
I for one wouldnt be interested in the drive train power loss with awd. I real sports car will always be RWD.
one of the best and fastest "sports" cars in the world is AWD
Porsche 911 AWD twin turbo

[perfworks]

Originally posted by YuYuRena
I agree as well. conservative estimate of drivetrain loss on awd is at least 25%, I personally think 30% is much more realistic on mass-produced awd system.

Plus rwd separates steering wheels from driving wheels. We can go on and on about suspension techniques and why AWD is better for many reasons.
FWD is not bad, its just not preffered. But it is much easier to pull wieght rather than push it like RWD

Unfortunatley RWD vehicles have more things against them when it comes to all around performance then any of the other options.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by FBI14
The Evo ( Its not the Evo8 in the US) did not appeal to me at all, turbo lag, notchy shitfer (not that the MSP's is one to brag about), checkered blue interior, "mushy" brakes and having to rev high at a stop to get a smooth start. It just didnt seem to be for the road or everyday at all to me. The MSP isnt the greatest performer ever but in its CLASS its solid in all areas. A solid performer thats paritical for everyday use.
Side Note about the Turbo Lag on the Evo: When it was tested aganist the STi this is what Car and Driver had to say about it... "Its transverse - mounted 2.0 liter DOCH in-line four is turbocharged to within an inch of its life with a maximum of 19.5 pounds of boost. Consequently, its power dellivery is, at best, uneven. At low speed, there's a two-second gap between throttle application and full turbo boost. Then the engine virtually explodes with power, the turbo hissing in sinister fashion.
For example, becasue we waited forever for turbo boost to come on during our 30-to-50 mph top gear acceleration test, the Evo's time was a bog-slow 11.7 seconds.."
In an eariler C/D, they tested the MSP and the 30-to-50 top gear acceleration was 9.9 seconds
I cant disaggree about your shifter thoughts. I would like to see it a little softer.
BUT a much better feel than the protege.
As far as the turbo lag is concerned, it is a feature that really was designed into the system. For everday road use. The restricter inline with the clutch slave cylinder causes alot of this. It actually causes a tremendous bogging, But saves the trans from destruction.
This is easily eliminated with the new ss line the aftermarket offers for $50
The EVO is not for everyone.
But it is no doubt a true beast that with little mods can develop 390 WHP for an additional $2000
Completely reliable and drivability is great.
I bought mine for $29,000 add the $2000 and you have a beast that retains all stock components and gets more power than any protege has had to two wheels.

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by perfworks
I cant disaggree about your shifter thoughts. I would like to see it a little softer.
BUT a much better feel than the protege.
As far as the turbo lag is concerned, it is a feature that really was designed into the system. For everday road use. The restricter inline with the clutch slave cylinder causes alot of this. It actually causes a tremendous bogging, But saves the trans from destruction.
This is easily eliminated with the new ss line the aftermarket offers for $50
The EVO is not for everyone.
But it is no doubt a true beast that with little mods can develop 390 WHP for an additional $2000
Completely reliable and drivability is great.
I bought mine for $29,000 add the $2000 and you have a beast that retains all stock components and gets more power than any protege has had to two wheels.

Hey perfWorks, Please tell me, you didn't trade the 6 in for the Evo did you?????(peep) LOL

(thread Jack)

[redrims]

Originally posted by tritonheat1
Hey perfWorks, Please tell me, you didn't trade the 6 in for the Evo did you?????(peep) LOL

(thread Jack)

He wrecked the 6, i believe...

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by redrims
He wrecked the 6, i believe...

so now he has the Evo and the PR5?

[redrims]

Originally posted by tritonheat1
so now he has the Evo and the PR5?

from what I know...yes :)

2 awesome beast :D

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by redrims
from what I know...yes :)

2 awesome beast :D

Yeah (Twin turbo's) Huh. LOL;)

[Gbourdon]

I am supposed to drag with this guy who's got a Mustang convertible. The small V6 motor in it. I was all like I can beat that thing but now I am having second thoughts. I've heard a new GTI takes the Mustang but I think the GTI takes an MSP too. Any thoughts. I am running stock boost with a reflash.

[FBI14]

Originally posted by perfworks
I cant disaggree about your shifter thoughts. I would like to see it a little softer.
BUT a much better feel than the protege.
As far as the turbo lag is concerned, it is a feature that really was designed into the system. For everday road use. The restricter inline with the clutch slave cylinder causes alot of this. It actually causes a tremendous bogging, But saves the trans from destruction.
This is easily eliminated with the new ss line the aftermarket offers for $50
The EVO is not for everyone.
But it is no doubt a true beast that with little mods can develop 390 WHP for an additional $2000
Completely reliable and drivability is great.
I bought mine for $29,000 add the $2000 and you have a beast that retains all stock components and gets more power than any protege has had to two wheels.

All I was saying is that for a turbo car it has one of the worst turbo lags around. After adding that much power to a car whos engine is already "high strung," Longevity is not gonna be a word to explain the car. Im not saying the Evo is a bad car just not one I enjoyed driving. I can honestly say the MSP has been, and Im sure for you it has been the Evo, to each his own.

Note on the Topic: The MSP wasnt intenden to go up against the Evo but holds its own in a wider class of competition. Its pretty much the tip of the sword out of about a dozen cars whereas the Evo technically has to compete with one other car.

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by Gbourdon
I am supposed to drag with this guy who's got a Mustang convertible. The small V6 motor in it. I was all like I can beat that thing but now I am having second thoughts. I've heard a new GTI takes the Mustang but I think the GTI takes an MSP too. Any thoughts. I am running stock boost with a reflash.

the Convertable's, are heavier than the coupe, so you should have nothing to worry about. Even if it is a 5-speed you should beat it by 1-2car's. Just to make you feel better. My friend's 03 Si with Injen CAI/ Greddy Evolution exhaust beat a 01Mustang V-6 5-speed by half to 1car. The MSP is alot quicker than the 03 SI.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by FBI14
All I was saying is that for a turbo car it has one of the worst turbo lags around. After adding that much power to a car whos engine is already "high strung," Longevity is not gonna be a word to explain the car. Im not saying the Evo is a bad car just not one I enjoyed driving. I can honestly say the MSP has been, and Im sure for you it has been the Evo, to each his own.

Note on the Topic: The MSP wasnt intenden to go up against the Evo but holds its own in a wider class of competition. Its pretty much the tip of the sword out of about a dozen cars whereas the Evo technically has to compete with one other car.
Im not offended in any way, BUT how do you consider the engine is high strung?
I think i also posted WHY the car has the lag it does.
Seriously just trying to see whats on your mind.

[perfworks]

Originally posted by tritonheat1
Hey perfWorks, Please tell me, you didn't trade the 6 in for the Evo did you?????(peep) LOL

(thread Jack)
my girlfriend did that one in.
i couldnt resist the temptation of AWD and huge power potential without the car sitting on blocks for 2 months at a time.
It was just time to move on.
I still have the P5 but it is N/A and my girl is driving it now.

Still Love my P5

[charles]

Originally posted by perfworks
Im not offended in any way, BUT how do you consider the engine is high strung?
I think i also posted WHY the car has the lag it does.
Seriously just trying to see whats on your mind.

mag racer

[FBI14]

Originally posted by perfworks
Im not offended in any way, BUT how do you consider the engine is high strung?
I think i also posted WHY the car has the lag it does.
Seriously just trying to see whats on your mind.

I see why the car has the lag but there are other turbo cars that dont have the lag that the Evo does. If you have a I-4 producing around the same amount of power as a V-8, The I-4 would need to been tuned a lot more to get the same power as the V-8 as well as being pushed harder to get all the power out of the car. The Evo is a 2.0L T I-4 boosted to almost 2 bar how is that not considered high strung.

Edit: Im no tuner, far from it, that is just how I see it so If I am wrong explain

[FBI14]

Originally posted by charles
mag racer

????

[3.5titanuimSD]

wow!!!! alot of replies to my post