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mysterious
10-10-2003, 05:36 PM
Any new mod coming out? Cams? Headers?

I hope someone's developing them :(
1sty
10-10-2003, 05:38 PM
Did you really just ask for headers for an msp?

(rofl)
2K3 MSP
10-10-2003, 05:41 PM
It's okay, he's still a newb...
1sty
10-10-2003, 05:44 PM
Being a Newb is no excuse for wanting a header for a turbo charged vehical.

Although I should be nicer as not everyone understands the pateneted 1sty humor with that little time into the boards.

So lets help (thumb)
A turbo car does not use a header!
The exhuast manifold (called a header on a naturaly aspired car) is actualy directly bolted and feed exhuast into the turbo. If you were to replace it with a "header" you would be removing the turbo to.
1sty
10-10-2003, 05:45 PM
Oh and for cams. There are some avialable but they are not very effective on a turboed car. Custom is the way to go here.
RyanJayG
10-10-2003, 05:46 PM
well, I'm sure a tubular exhaust mani. wouldn't hurt performance... maybe "header" is all he could think of to call it (shrug)
Captain KRM P5
10-10-2003, 05:49 PM
does the recent "ecu flash" count as a mod?
night rider
10-10-2003, 05:51 PM
i know im not up and up on the turbo'ed pro info but there are the j-spec cams. i hear they have a longer duration with the same lift so they dont need any work to the vaulve train. again im unsure of how they would work out with the forced breathing.
RyanJayG
10-10-2003, 05:52 PM
overlap = bad for FI, you push your fuel right out the exhaust valve.
PaulMP3
10-10-2003, 05:54 PM
there is a ton of performance parts available for the MSP.
1sty
10-10-2003, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by paulmp3
there is a ton of performance parts available for the MSP.
Yep as soon as you rip off that T25 :D
night rider
10-10-2003, 05:59 PM
thanks ryan for the info, good to know when the day comes i have a snail on my side. < dreams >
twilightprotege
10-10-2003, 06:11 PM
the j-spec intake cam and mazdaspeed exhaust should work very well with the MSP with cam gears so you can take out the overlap
AFaceInTheCrowd
10-10-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Yep as soon as you rip off that T25 :D

JEBUS!!! what's wrong with the T25? it's bigger than the one that comes stock on the p5 and es!!! jeez:rolleyes: :D
1sty
10-10-2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by AFaceInTheCrowd
JEBUS!!! what's wrong with the T25? it's bigger than the one that comes stock on the p5 and es!!! jeez:rolleyes: :D

Just barely :rolleyes:

Also once you chuck it then you have the ability to run any of the real turbo setups. SPool, high boost, MPI, ect.
RyanJayG
10-10-2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by AFaceInTheCrowd
JEBUS!!! what's wrong with the T25? it's bigger than the one that comes stock on the p5 and es!!! jeez:rolleyes: :D

how true... but a bigger turbo, and tubi. exhaust mani. wouldn't be so hard, and certainly not a bad idea if you are gonna increase the flow of the exhaust
t3ase
10-10-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Just barely :rolleyes:

Also once you chuck it then you have the ability to run any of the real turbo setups. SPool, high boost, MPI, ect.
It's amazing how my stock T25 beat a MSP with a full T3/04e hybrid turbo setup with about $7k dropped into it. Don't talk shit about our turbos. :)

Now if his car were properly tuned, it would have been a completely different beast. The same could be said for our cars, though.
1sty
10-10-2003, 06:28 PM
Who the hell was bested witha full t3/04, sounds like it wasn't tuned worth crap.

I'm not talking shit I am talking reality, the T25 is basicly the smallest turbo, Also we were discussing perfomance upgrades. Do you disagree you have more options if you remove the t25?

Oh and for another point NO ONE has yet to find a T25 compressor map so we can actualy find effeciency with it on this car. Everything is speculation.
boostisgood
10-10-2003, 06:31 PM
Craig, bet I get 300 WHP out of my t-25 :D On stock internals, with just a piggyback.

Lets say, a nice beer as a bet ?

Feel lucky ? Come on, ya know you wanna.
1sty
10-10-2003, 06:32 PM
I'm in.

Heres the catch. he car has to run 300 whp for 6 months(or 5000 miles) with no reliability issues and no racing gas :D
AFaceInTheCrowd
10-10-2003, 06:32 PM
freakin a! i had all the info on the baby turbo a while ago. i posted it in some thread. everyone was all "oh if i had the ar, trim, ect. i could make some better decisions..." so i went and got them. then the thread got lost. now EVERYONE is looking for that shit!!!
boostisgood
10-10-2003, 06:34 PM
No probems. :D I am getting a spare engine from a junkyard. THAT engine will go forged, and 500 WHP. I was "inspired" by a dream last nite.


Ohhhh the custom plate, EVO KILLR :D

As far as reliability, if tuned right, no issues. I got a whole slew of parts coming soon, and some custom fabbed parts too. :
1sty
10-10-2003, 06:38 PM
I posted that I wanted a map over a month ago. no one had anything. The only thig there was wasa ruff map that compared different turbos but didn't have dick for info.

Find one like this.
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/1st%20MP3%20in%20NH/t3-45.jpg

Not this:
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/1st%20MP3%20in%20NH/garett%20turbo%20map.gif
1sty
10-10-2003, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by boostisgood

As far as reliability, if tuned right, no issues. I got a whole slew of parts coming soon, and some custom fabbed parts too. :

Ah so the wager was not as advertised. I assumed as much.

I still stand firmly that no car will be relible with 250 whp on stock internals.
boostisgood
10-10-2003, 06:41 PM
IIRC, I called turbonetics, when I first got my MSP. The guy I spoke with said that he did not know much about the t-25, but assumed that it was good to about 14-16 psi. After that, the efficiency dropped off severly.

This IS speculation though. Based on assumptions, because the t-28 is good for about 24-26 psi. :D
boostisgood
10-10-2003, 06:42 PM
OHhh, no, its stock t-25, stock inernals, with upgraded RAD, IC, Oil cooler, and piggyback. :D

Basic bolt on included to, exhaust, intake, wtuff like that. :D
1sty
10-10-2003, 06:43 PM
Effeciency is relative though and to the actualt amount of exhuast gas flowing.

Even Garrett limits the T25 to under 250 hp of power and thats at the engine.

Google time :D
boostisgood
10-10-2003, 06:45 PM
Craig, gotta g. Haunted house calling me. Ill BBL.

Find me on AIM at ilovemyspeed around 11 pm EST. :D IF yous till up bro.
1sty
10-10-2003, 06:45 PM
Wow just found this, to bad I don't speak the language :D
http://membres.lycos.fr/cosworth/Petit_Turbo_Gros_Turbo.htm
1sty
10-10-2003, 07:03 PM
Scroll down to t25
http://www.dune-buggy.com/turbo/turbo.htm
1sty
10-10-2003, 07:06 PM
Again you'll notice, limited to 250 hp, not even whp:
http://www.machv.com/gart28tur95t.html
http://www.machv.com/tursumchar.html
1sty
10-10-2003, 07:14 PM
Garrett themselves saying up to 210 hp.
http://www.egarrett.com/products/gt_15_25.jsp
twiztedjeckel
10-10-2003, 07:14 PM
wow,3 pages worth of crap
AFaceInTheCrowd
10-10-2003, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Again you'll notice, limited to 250 hp, not even whp:
http://www.machv.com/gart28tur95t.html
http://www.machv.com/tursumchar.html

heh, i'm actually planning on changing to the t28 components later on. should be much cheaper to use my existing housing than buying an entirely new turbo.
boostisgood
10-10-2003, 07:21 PM
actually, it wont Face bro. :D

If everything goes as planned, I will be unveiling the EVO KILLR at Import War, in Hershey Pa next march. :D
1sty
10-10-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by AFaceInTheCrowd
heh, i'm actually planning on changing to the t28 components later on. should be much cheaper to use my existing housing than buying an entirely new turbo.

A wise decision it appears.
I have talked to about everyone I can get to listen and between that and constant searches it seems everyon is in agreement that a T25 is good for 250 crank hp and 220 whp. After that its just pointless to keep using it.
A T28 seems agreed to be good for 260 crank hp.

Ofcoarse you can get higher ooutput but at the expense of reliability, majr engine management needs, not to mention of octane ratings.
1sty
10-10-2003, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by boostisgood
actually, it wont Face bro. :D

If everything goes as planned, I will be unveiling the EVO KILLR at Import War, in Hershey Pa next march. :D

I'm sure as Perfworks would point out, the proper term will be "STOCK" Evo killer (rofl)
Black Majik MSP
10-10-2003, 07:48 PM
http://www.protegemp3.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34586
PaulMP3
10-10-2003, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by boostisgood
actually, it wont Face bro. :D

If everything goes as planned, I will be unveiling the EVO KILLR

in Pa aren't you only allowed 7 letters/or #'s, no protege will be much of a EVO killer, or like perf and 1st said stock evo. That car has so much potenial. Im probally stopping myself around 250whp. forged internals is a costly process. i would love to see how long our motors hold up any where above 200whp. Also if your gonna be doing serious modding, do yourself a favor a get a wideband o2. That is the best damn thing i bought for my car.
1sty
10-10-2003, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by paulmp3
That is the best damn thing i bought for my car.

(werd)
Black Majik MSP
10-10-2003, 09:20 PM
OK, since you guys seem to know what you're talking about, can you answer 2 ?s:

Are the "custom cams" something you could swap out without changing anything else?

Would these pulleys be any benefit to the MSP? http://www.srmotorsports.com/protege.htm
nomahh
10-10-2003, 10:24 PM
210 to 250 in three posts. Very impressive.

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