been running 18psi, and WOW!!!

[DiscreetSpeed]

(attn)hey ya'll just wanted to say i been zooming at 18psi for a little over a day. this car is fast as shiat.
for those having doubt about the cars potential id suggest putting in some 104 and crank the boost.(glare)

[KyRaceFan]

do you have cats?
104 leaded or unleaded?

If its leaded.. your cats are hating life right now.. in fact they hate it so much they probably are dead.

[DiscreetSpeed]

unleaded my friend and yes i have cats, haha for at least half this week.

[unwrittenLaw]

damn 18psi!...that's cool..but just be careful..

[scoobiesport]

At what psi is the turbo past its thermal efficency?

[low_psi]

nice maurice. very nice

[mp3moose]

thats just nuts man. Are you running stock internals?

Moose

[Newf]

Boom!

[bored132]

most t-25's are only efficient to about 16psi.

[low_psi]

indeed, they will spin up to ~24psi though. i'd make sure you're not boosting 18 too long....

[boostisgood]

Originally posted by newf
Boom!

Give it till tuesday Newf. :D

[ZMN BY U]

Wow that's alot of boost man you must have alot of balls to run that much boost i have been up to 12psi 1 time on the street and race at 10 and spiking to 12. do you have stock plugs and what are your mods? hope to hear from you dude on this. just be carefull is there any smoke when you shift from your car? i know i have some when i shift black smoke that is. car runs fine when cold bad when its hot outside. Since it has cooled off it runs much better. Lately its been spiking to 12psi and drops dramaticlly to 8-9psi.


have fun see ya (msporange

[KyRaceFan]

Originally posted by scoobiesport
At what psi is the turbo past its thermal efficency?

15-16psi.

I've still yet to find the actual numbers on this turbo, other than its a garret ball bearing t25.
Im guessing it flows around 325cfm.
Anyone know anything else about it?

[Matthew]

Originally posted by newf
Boom!

i was thinkin the same thing. :rolleyes:

[charles]

What other mods have you done?

[ForceFed]

NO WAY ON THE BOOM!
I have been running 12-15PSI for months now with not a prob.
If I could I'd run it higher on race gas at the track but the dam "CUT" comes into play.
I say go for it as long as there is no detonation and you are not flashed and you are on race gas.
If you think it is fast with the cats still in place,WAIT TILL YOU TAKE UM OFF!
DAMN FAST!

Matt:D

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by ForceFed
NO WAY ON THE BOOM!
I say go for it as long as there is no detonation and you are not flashed and you are on race gas.

DAMN FAST!

Matt:D

You think it's better to go without flash for boost above 12 psi? I'm stock now, no flash yet, but getting mad hesitation. Should I not get flashed if I'm running higher boost in the future? I've been gettin' mixed reviews. I'd love to get the flash now to eliminate the hesitation, but not sure what's best for the big plan (12-14 psi & lotsa goodies)

[ForceFed]

Originally posted by Leadfoot
You think it's better to go without flash for boost above 12 psi? I'm stock now, no flash yet, but getting mad hesitation. Should I not get flashed if I'm running higher boost in the future? I've been gettin' mixed reviews. I'd love to get the flash now to eliminate the hesitation, but not sure what's best for the big plan (12-14 psi & lotsa goodies)

Well the way I see it,LOOK AT MY 1/4 TIMES and tell me what you think???I got the hesitation but upping the boost helped with it,but I would rather have a car that was faster with a hesitation then a slower car that is not easily as moddabble(I know thats not a word but oh well:confused: :D :confused: )
This is just my opinion (an educated one at that)
Matt;)

[RyanJayG]

au contraire, Moddable IS a word

[ForceFed]

Originally posted by RyanJayG
au contraire, Moddable IS a word

Aghhhh, I see said the blind man!
I just used one too many "B"s!
Matt:D

[yashooa]

Well Joe took his MSP up to 21PSI on 116 octane on the dyno not saying it was efficent just that he did it and Discreet has the flash.

[DiscreetSpeed]

Originally posted by ForceFed
NO WAY ON THE BOOM!
I have been running 12-15PSI for months now with not a prob.
If I could I'd run it higher on race gas at the track but the dam "CUT" comes into play.
I say go for it as long as there is no detonation and you are not flashed and you are on race gas.
If you think it is fast with the cats still in place,WAIT TILL YOU TAKE UM OFF!
DAMN FAST!

Matt:D
yeah i agree
alot of the clowns here are scared to do anything due to whhat they hear, to busy worrying about ending up like that.
besides this 9:1 compression is great.

[Leadfoot]

ForceFed...thanks for the suggestion. I wonder though if you CAN run boost above 10 lbs with the flash. (I can't remember the thread, but saw someone say this was a no-go...ie 10+psi with flash.)

My thought is this....I've seen the results post-flash vs. pre-flash, and the timing isn't severely advanced, and the Air-Fuel is leaned out a bit at higher RPM's. Therefore, over 10 psi shouldn't be a problem at all, and the boost should come on steadier with the flash. Plus, it's gonna be a way down the financial road b4 I get all the necessities for the boost, and I can't stand the hesitation. It feels like my MSP is sufficating after a few spirited moments, especially after sittin' in traffic.

Sorry 'bout the long rant...I'm not tryin' to blast your suggestion, cause you're not the first to say it. I'm just tryin' to wrap my head around this and be happy in the end. Thanks again.

[mazdaspeed Mike]

I have the flash and I was running 11 with out any cut out.
I turned my mbc the wrong way. :D I was shooting for 8-9ish.

[Leadfoot]

I think I may go with the flash...if it isn't good w/ higher boost, then I'll get a piggy back to tweek the ECU. I know it'll be awhile, and the hesitation is killin' me.

[low_psi]

Originally posted by KyRaceFan
15-16psi.

I've still yet to find the actual numbers on this turbo, other than its a garret ball bearing t25.
Im guessing it flows around 325cfm.
Anyone know anything else about it?

i'll post a compressor map for you tomorrow. if you search for "T25 efficiency" you might find a post where i did lots of calculation with the turbo specs.

[Striker187]

man discreet, you crazy!! hahaha, i hope next time we meet up, you're not driving a rental! ok knock on wood now....

[TampaBlackMSP]

I'm between 9-10 all the time (with the flash) with no problems. I say do other things to the car too. There is no point in turning up the boost just for the sake of more boost. In other words, work on the air flow (i.e. dp, exhst, ic, intake), and other misc stuff (plugs, pullies, internals, lower compression, etc. prolly forgetting something) and go from there. I'd rather have a fully built (and probably more reliable) turbo car w/a bit less boost, than a higher boosting, yet less efficient and probably more problematic motor. imo.

[chitownballer]

do you gradually adjust your boost from stock to lets say 12 psi? maybe 2 psi a day and gradully drive it in? or can you just put it right up there and let it go right to 12 psi on the first day?

[MSPDAVE125]

Originally posted by ForceFed
Well the way I see it,LOOK AT MY 1/4 TIMES and tell me what you think???I got the hesitation but upping the boost helped with it,but I would rather have a car that was faster with a hesitation then a slower car that is not easily as moddabble(I know thats not a word but oh well:confused: :D :confused: )
This is just my opinion (an educated one at that)
Matt;)

I agree.

No flash for me. I like the idea of "more than enough fuel" Peace of mind yah know?

Compensate with more boost and better plugs, and colder air.

Besides I plan on a Perfworks piggy back this winter. Why waste my time pullin all this crap off the car to get a flash I'll never use!

$.02 inserted.

[low_psi]

http://www.gcg.com.au/technical/garrett%20t2-25%20flow%20map.jpg

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by ForceFed
NO WAY ON THE BOOM!
I have been running 12-15PSI for months now with not a prob.
If I could I'd run it higher on race gas at the track but the dam "CUT" comes into play.

You don't have a FCD and run 12-15psi daily? Damn you must hit fuel cut A LOT. :)

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by TampaBlackMSP
I'm between 9-10 all the time (with the flash) with no problems. I say do other things to the car too. There is no point in turning up the boost just for the sake of more boost. In other words, work on the air flow (i.e. dp, exhst, ic, intake), and other misc stuff (plugs, pullies, internals, lower compression, etc. prolly forgetting something) and go from there. I'd rather have a fully built (and probably more reliable) turbo car w/a bit less boost, than a higher boosting, yet less efficient and probably more problematic motor. imo.

I totally agree with you on the other mods....I'm not just gonna throw an MBC on there & crank away...I'm sayin that along with all the other stuff (FMIC, CAI, Cat-back, JoeP hat trick, Turbo timer, MBC, etc....the list goes on & on). This is why I say it'll be awhile, 'cause I don't wanna go half ass. I'd like to go whole hog at the same time, that way I can experience a big difference & know it's done right. thx.
-Kev

[InsidiousMSP]

Originally posted by Leadfoot
I'd like to go whole hog at the same time, that way I can experience a big difference & know it's done right. thx.
-Kev

You shouldn't just put a bunch of parts on at once. If you have a problem it will be more difficult to troubleshoot. Do one mod at a time, see how the car reacts to each.

[LinuxRacr]

Originally posted by MSPDAVE125
I agree.

No flash for me. I like the idea of "more than enough fuel" Peace of mind yah know?

Compensate with more boost and better plugs, and colder air.

Besides I plan on a Perfworks piggy back this winter. Why waste my time pullin all this crap off the car to get a flash I'll never use!

$.02 inserted.

(werd) The piggy-back that Perfworks uses is the one I would get. the specs on that thing are amazing! You can also hook it up to stock sensors (as well as the stand-alones!). They control fuel and timing! Great units if you ask me. (thumb) Any issues you are having with the fuel and timing will be fixed by the piggyback!

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by InsidiousMSP
You shouldn't just put a bunch of parts on at once. If you have a problem it will be more difficult to troubleshoot. Do one mod at a time, see how the car reacts to each.

good point...in reality that's probably how I'll do it. Just thinkin' that I'd like to be able to buy everything at once. Easier to justify to my wife if it's one purchase. If I make 10 purchases, she'll think that I'm spending every chance I get...one shot, no questions asked. Thanks for the suggestion on one at a time for trouble shooting.

[dj JINX]

Ive been boosting 14 psi for over 4000 miles now daily with rare full cut. Usually during the first 10 mile on the first drive of the day.
no problems
I just found the coolant leak got a appt to get it looked at tomorrow gonna ask again bout the flash not sure i want it yet kinda like the snap the boost gives once it spool up

[Leadfoot]

Originally posted by dj JINX
yet kinda like the snap the boost gives once it spool up

yeah...I like the snap too, but overall would like the boost to come on steady & earlier....ala less turbo lag, with some punch at full boost. When racing at highway speeds, the lag can be frustrating some time.

[DiscreetSpeed]

haha love how this thread turned up.

[MSPDAVE125]

Originally posted by DiscreetSpeed
haha love how this thread turned up.

Are we like the Anti-Flash?

[TampaBlackMSP]

Leadfoot - sounds like you've got a pretty good plan...good luck and keep modding! :D

[Emode]

i held on par with my friends 1980 cherry z28 camaro, with like a 350 dropped in it and some other stuff, he was fucking impressed

it was also a little wet out, so neither of us had great traction
and hes a damn good driver too, taught me most things i know about cars

this is at .7 bar with the flash and the rest of my mods, just happened yesterday:D

[EVILSRT]

18 psi is insane. lol. good luck.

[choke on words]

this is DISCREETSPEED typing......

thankx, oh its not permanent or anything just something i plan on doing for those gatherings we have(headbang)
alot of people did(hah)this cause of the intercooler we have haha and the stock 170hp FI stock...but boy did i owned some of them shits this past saturday.

[ForceFed]

Originally posted by InsidiousMSP
You don't have a FCD and run 12-15psi daily? Damn you must hit fuel cut A LOT. :)

Only on a cold day!:D
This is why you must adj. for those days!;)
Nice to have adjustability from the cab!;) :p
Matt

[low_psi]

Originally posted by failure by design
this is DISCREETSPEED typing......

thankx, oh its not permanent or anything just something i plan on doing for those gatherings we have(headbang)
alot of people did(hah)this cause of the intercooler we have haha and the stock 170hp FI stock...but boy did i owned some of them shits this past saturday.

post that shit up in icch mang!

[LinuxRacr]

(evil) Owned them and made them eat their words.....

[chitownballer]

i jus hooked up mbc with the flash, running 9.5 steady and spiking at 10.5 RIGHT before fuel cut, fuel cut is at 11psi. need to get the fcd today, i dunno if i should go more than that regarding boost. i got the coler plugs on there too and the injen cai.

[chitownballer]

hopefully tomorow i will install my protosport downpipe
this combo should be some serious shit...

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

I just got the flash yesterday and I'm running 9-10 psi I had alot of hesitition before the flash now no hesititon at all and it feels alot faster now, is this a bad thing that I'm running 9-10 psi with the flash and how is the long term affect?

[MSPDAVE125]

Yes.......... you'll blow up!

J/K!!!! J/K!!!

Your fine. Don't worry.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by PHILLY-ORANGE
I just got the flash yesterday and I'm running 9-10 psi I had alot of hesitition before the flash now no hesititon at all and it feels alot faster now, is this a bad thing that I'm running 9-10 psi with the flash and how is the long term affect?

Yes, the newly increased G's can cause the Elderly among us to shit their pants, soil their undies, loosen their bowels without warning.

AGR PLease take precautions...
Like a charcoal lined driver's side seating donut. :D (blarf) :D

(monkey) Is it me or did that monkey just give you the finger?

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

Nice, why would it be any different if you got the flash or you didn't with the boost at say 10psi

[Dr.Sound]

for u guys that want to flash but are afraid that it might slow down the car.........

u can buy my ECU, my car wasnt flashed, so that way u'll have an ECU with the flash, and one without :D

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

I don't think the flash slows down the car at all I think it's quicker now and alot more smoother to.

[Dr.Sound]

well u know what i mean :D

[Tommy1005]

So, with the flash, what should the max boost be? 10 psi?

[Notorious]

Around there, people are still tinkering with it to find the knock threshold.

[TheMAN]

wow, a whole lot of whopping 18psi unefficient, uneffective, uselessness

[Tommy1005]

More power to you for 18psi and no det. Note to self.....Buy FDC and FPR tomorrow.

[DiscreetSpeed]

Originally posted by TheMAN
wow, a whole lot of whopping 18psi unefficient, uneffective, uselessness
just like your post....useless!

[MSPDAVE125]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
for u guys that want to flash but are afraid that it might slow down the car.........

u can buy my ECU, my car wasnt flashed, so that way u'll have an ECU with the flash, and one without :D


SOLD SOLD SOLD !!!!!!!:D :D

[Sparkz28SS]

I thought that the t-25 was unefficient after 15 ps???i...

[MSPDAVE125]

Originally posted by DiscreetSpeed
just like your post....useless!

Is 18 psi more fun than 9 psi????

Yep! So keep havin' fun!

[Pickledoe]

18 psi! Good luck with that you crazy asshole!

[yashooa]

Originally posted by Sparkz28SS
I thought that the t-25 was unefficient after 15 ps???i...

Well this has been hotly debated. Supposedly (no one really seems to know) this t-25 pushes more cfm.
I have heard it refered to as a GT25 and a GT25R.
I have yet to get a positive ID from anyone.
Joe had his up to 21 PSI on the dyno using 116 octane.
He seemed to infer (from what I could tell) it was fairly useful up to about 18PSI.
He did quite a bit of PSI testing with his MSP before he sold it.

[low_psi]

the MSP's do not have GT-series turbos. i believe the smallest GT-series is a GT35, anyways. the MSP's come with a run of the mill Garret T-25. see page 3 for a compressor map i posted.

18psi is past the eff. of this turbo, but its not damaging it per say.

[PaulMP3]

18psi most looks nice on your boost gauge. I have a 2bar gauge and have yet to go over 5 psi...10psi soon,very soon (laugh)

[murdock_]

shes done by tomorrow night

[TheMAN]

Originally posted by DiscreetSpeed
just like your post....useless!


http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/images/smilies/iamwithstupid.gif

(owned)


Originally posted by mx3ownzj00
the MSP's do not have GT-series turbos. i believe the smallest GT-series is a GT35, anyways. the MSP's come with a run of the mill Garret T-25. see page 3 for a compressor map i posted.

18psi is past the eff. of this turbo, but its not damaging it per say.

(werd)

[low_psi]

thanks, TheMAN, i'm not sure why there's so much confusion surrounding the MSP's turbo or the limits of it. if more people just looked at the compressor map, it'd answer alot of re-occurring questions

[jaymode]

I thought since this turbo was a ball bearing turbo that it would be more efficient up to a higher psi? Or is there another reason for having a ball bearing turbo?