Maybe selling (again)

[1sty]

I have been thinking of selling the MP3 again.
I have the turbo 100% sorted out now and have a few interior panels to fix then its ready to go.
I took it for a 2 hour drive the other day just to think but didn't make any progress.
The shitty thing is I am paying $400/month for this car because of the shitty APRs back then and I took a $2500 hit on my MX-6. I could take the same amount in a loan today and pay $50 less a month!

I have been cosidering a few different replacements.
I want something to tune up but less tuning is better. I also want something decently reliable but fun to drive and will not limit my wants in the future.

1. 93 RX-7.
Pro's
- It looks like I want
- has good power
- Has a big aftermarket and tuner fallowing.
- One of the best no nonsense sports cars ever.
Con's
- No warrenty
- Is well known as unreliable
- Hard to raionalize spending 16+ for a ten year old car.

2. 2003 Mustang Mach 1
Pro's
- It looks like I want
- It has the power I want
- Its new and in warrenty
Con's
- 28,000 price tag, although I have a feeling I can get it for less then $25000.
- Insurance through the roof. buying form a dealer they will demand insurance be on it before I can even drive off the lot.

3. 2000 BMW 328
Pro's
- BMW quality
- Enhance's the pimp hand
- Looks great
Cons
- almost out of warrenty
- not exatly fast.
- Expensive to fix anything!
- retail value will hold up well

4. 2004 SRT/4 (yes I said it so suck me! :p)
Pro
- Low price
- Has warrenty
- As fast as I need it stock.
- Can be made to handle and look better
- 160 amp alternator!!! (It is me after all (laugh))
Cons'
- Dodge reliabilty
- Seems the camero "Boy racer" image transplanted to this car.

[unwrittenLaw]

I voted for the RX7...'nuff said.

[JAC]

It's a tough one between the srt-4 and the 328, if you want speed then the srt is the way to go. On the other hand, the 328 is a BMW wich is a very strong selling point in my book (I'm a bimmer whore) but it's not fast, I asume it's used and it will probably cost an arm and a leg to fix anything.

I think you should go with the srt-4, besides, how can you refuse that 120amp alt? :D .

[1sty]

Ah the SRt has a 160 amp alt bro! (bow)

[unwrittenLaw]

you said it yourself though..you'll look like a camaro boy racer :)

[1sty]

Originally posted by unwrittenLaw
you said it yourself though..you'll look like a camaro boy racer :)

I finaly saw the drive of one yestureday, what a fucktard!
black adidas hat cocked 20 degress side ways and he was basicly sitting up by the wheel so he could watch for anyone coming up behind him and dare pass him. I wanted to run the P5 head first into the assclown!That being said, even on our board there are a few members that have them and are cool shit so I don't hold retard drivers against the car! I hold them agains the wall as I am beating the hell out of them :D

[unwrittenLaw]

yeah i know what you mean..i've seen that type of guy too...i kinda feel sorry for them...so misguided..

[1sty]

The whole attidude of racing anything anytime on the street is simply retarded. Form the SRt boards I have been watching, all you see is 300 post a day about what someone beat in a street dragrace :rolleyes:

[scott42]

I might be showing my age, but... I'm a big fan of wearing hats, and I just don't get the crooked hat thing, itsn't that just plain uncomfortable?

Go with the BMW, you'll enjoy it as you age, you have the P5 for feeling younger.

[1sty]

The P5 is too slow for me to enjoy in my younger moods. I love the turbo MP3 for that :D

[1sty]

Scott you said go with the bmw yet no vot for it yet?

[Naveed74]

go for the RX-7... I think it is worth the money. You have to love the way that car looks/performs. You can always upgrade the alternator :D .

[Kooldino]

Mach 1: Fast, but sucky handling
RX-7: great, but unreliable
SRT 4 - nah
BMW - Nice, but no fun
MP3-T - YES!
Supra - w00t!
300Z - Aww, yeah.

[1sty]

The problem with the RX-7 for me is first its 10 years old and that takes a toll on anything mechanical and its also very unreliable, I don't want a car that drives 500 miles then has to go back on jack stands.

[mp3moose]

RX-7

or the MP3.

Moose

[1sty]

Originally posted by Kooldino
Mach 1: Fast, but sucky handling
RX-7: great, but unreliable
SRT 4 - nah
BMW - Nice, but no fun
MP3-T - YES!
Supra - w00t!
300Z - Aww, yeah.

Mach 1: Fast, but sucky handling (other then on rmaps and swerving at assholes I never use the MP3's handling)
RX-7: great, but unreliable (true dat!)
SRT 4 - nah
BMW - Nice, but no fun (pimpin aint easy :D)
MP3-T - YES!(not for $400/month)
Supra - w00t!(I don't like the way they look)
300Z - Aww, yeah. (maybe?)

[Naveed74]

I guess it would also depend on how many miles on the car too...People with that type of car are going to do two things to it - baby it or drive it hard. Hopefully you could find a babied one :) .

If not, go for the SRT, just be sure to distinguish yourself.

[1sty]

The SRT is still rare up here which is a plus and I have a dealer that is dying to sell them so thats always a plus :D.

The hardest part will be selling the MP3.

[JAC]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Ah the SRt has a 160 amp alt bro! (bow)

Holy crap, even better, just don't get yellow or red because it will look like a huge M&M ;) . I think it looks good either in black or silver.

[1sty]

Silver or blue were my only considerations for color.
There is a blue one at the dealer I mentioned waiting for a home right now. No sunroof or viper style seats.

[scott42]

ok, I voted (thumb)

[zcast]

I'd go with the BMW. Mainly due to the fact that it will not only last forever, but it should see some good green when you trade it in or sell it later. Also, I don't know your financial situation, but whatever you buy, don't end up upside down on your loan or else you'll be paying for whatever car you get twice!

z-cast

[1sty]

I am going to seel the MP3 for 13,500 and I own about $10K so I will end up very ahead of the game.

[1sty]

OK so the SRT and RX-7 are neck and neck and the Mustang and BMW are right behind them in a tie.

You guys sure aren't making this a clear cut decision!
(lol)

[Vulcanon]

mp3 all the way 1st ^_^

[Patio]

sell me your shift knob!!

[1sty]

(attn)
NOW THE NEONS ON TOP?

I thought this was a mazda site?

j/k, keep it honest guys.

[Heathen23]

The options are very confusing in the sense that they are all over the place. What do you want out of this? It's your weekend car right? If so I'd get the one that would be the most fun to work on rather than the most reliable. If that means audio fun then it sounds like the SRT would give you a lot to play with over time. If it's about making power and style then go with the RX (has the most potential for a nice mix of power and style vs. others IMHO). If you just want a warranty and some raw horsepower then get the stang (although I think the mach's paintwork is lame on a modern car). I think the SVT looks better if you are going that route.

I just don't see the benifit to the BMW if it's a weekend car. It's costly to ensure, it's costly to repair, and although the resale is high you will have no warranty and lack the fun factor a weekend car should have.

[1sty]

The car is to be a summer/play car. Somethign to get under and screw with if th emood strikes me but not something to have to sit on jack stands do to reliability reasons.
I don't wnat to undergo major undertakings with it.
The BMW is there because it has a decent fallowing and has good aftermarket support plus a level of refinemnt and style the others don't have.

[Esteban Toledo]

I voted for the bmw. Although, I actually like the srt, I wouldn't want to be associated w/ the majority of dodge owners/drivers. Here's an example: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15277

[garretts77]

What about re-financing at a credit union or something and keeping th MP3. Now that you have it sorted out, it would be a shame to sell it. My friend just bought a used car at 4.5% for 72 months. Not that you have to keep the 72 month terms, but you can cut your payment by a lot.

[Heathen23]

Originally posted by Esteban Toledo
I voted for the bmw. Although, I actually like the srt, I wouldn't want to be associated w/ the majority of dodge owners/drivers. Here's an example: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15277

I couldn't help but laugh reading that thread. They kept teasing the troll for his english but they mispelled half the words in replies. How retarded does that look?


The BMW is there because it has a decent fallowing and has good aftermarket support plus a level of refinemnt and style the others don't have.

Fair enough. In your situation I would get the car that is the most fun to drive in your opinion. Drive them, then go from there. I can't help but think you might find that your MP3-T is the most fun to drive out of the bunch.

[Familia323]

BMW..... besides theres decent aftermarket stuff for any BMW if you wanted to go that route someday... DINAN.... or you can do an engine swap for the M3 engine.. what the hell is the code.. EK6 or something like that? So this way you still have options.. and its pimp. (thumb)

[mrpopnfresh]

Okay...I had no time to read all of the posts cuz I gotta take a shit...but I've been researching RX-7's and I'm in the process of getting a 3rd gen. If you want a 3rd gen RX-7, go for '94 and up. Much more realiable from there. When you get the 7, there are a few things you need to do, for example you'll need an aftermarket downpipe because of how much heat the twin turbos produce..etc. etc.

You also have to take into consideration the previous owner(s) and milage. It may have less than 100,000 mi on it, but how hard was it driven and was it properly warmed up and cooled down.

As for the SRT-4, I think it's ok. It has huge aftermarket/oem support from Dodge and it was designed to take heavy modificatioins. It is a fast car and has the amp you need, who cares who the majority of the drivers are.

The BMW is a really good choice. I personally have 3 of them and I've had no problems at all. Parts aren't as expensive as you think and they last a long time. My '96 325i can pull on my P5 anyday, and that's a stock bimmer compared to a somewhat modified P5. I'm kind of biased but BMW's are good, realiable cars.

I really don't know anything about mustangs so I can't say anything here.

My vote goes for the RX-7 of course!!

[BlueMP5Dave]

Given the choices and that you like to customize cars. You should go with the car that has a decent warranty and has the most to offer in the power department for little money. Suspension is easy to work on and alot cheaper than engine work. Just get some springs, decent struts and sways. I think that you could maybe make a name for yourself in the SRT world. Or just refinance the MP3-T and enjoy.

[garretts77]

There was an RX-7 buyers guide a couple of months back that showed the difference between the different years/models, and prolem areas to look for. If you are serious about looking at the 7, I can try to find the article for you (if yo don't already have it).

Personally I love the Mazda. But part of the reason that I like it is it has a Euro look to me. I love BMW. I think the BMW gets my vote if you are going to sell the MP3.
I think that RX-7' are amazing, but if the main reason that you are selling the Mp3 is because of money, then I think you should probably steer clear of the RX-7. It would probably cost you more to keep it running than you think, unless you make a larger upfront investment to buy one in great shape. Just my opinion...

[PaulMP3]

out of those choices i would either get the bmw or keep the mp3. Most of the srt owners are tools, why associate with them, when you could be a cool mp3 owner :confused:

If i was to buy a project car, it would probally be a supra or evo, if i wanted a new nice car(not for Modding) i would probally get a use 3 series or a s4.

[alexlitov]

Get A4 and mod the hell out of it.

BMW will cost you too much to maintain it, go to http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/ and look what people are saying about maintanance on their cars.

[Captain KRM P5]

i've got a soft spot for the RX-7....

....but my vote goes to the SRT-4

[PaulMP3]

i really appreciate the srt4, and think it's a hell of a sweet car, but i couldnt justify owning one.

[MP3N.Y.C]

Mustang Mach 1 for sure. That car is bad ass IMO:D I have had six mustangs in the past, all v8's and all fast. I am waiting for the '05, I think thats my next car.
I love mustangs, but I do love my MP3
Pete

(mp3blue) #478

[Necessity]

Have you thought of refinancing? Your car is nice, with the turbo it's fast, and it's not going to depricate as fast as a new car over the next 2 years or so. Why not pay the car off in full first, enjoy it while you have it, then when you need to upgrade, you'll be in an ever better position?

--edit. Whoops, sorry garrett. Didn't see your post.

[Flat Black]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
The problem with the RX-7 for me is first its 10 years old and that takes a toll on anything mechanical and its also very unreliable, I don't want a car that drives 500 miles then has to go back on jack stands.

Myths, Myths, Myths. The FD3S was known as unreliable ONLY because of factors truly, out of the engines control.

1. The stock radiator is truly inadequate.

2. The stock Twin-Turbo generates enormous amounts of heat in the engine bay, leading to premature failure.

3. Mechanics cant work on them for shit, but being in Texas you have the advantage of quite a few number of good rotary shops.

4. Proper use of engine warm up and idle after boost were uncommon to American buyers, but have now become a stable part of thought as turbo-charged cars have increased in production.

The 13B-REW was a true technological marvel, surpassing the time in which it was created. It can be one of the most reliable engines ever if the items on this list are followed. The first upgrade you should do is an aftermarket radiator. After that reliability will be greatly increased.

[mp5drift]

rx-7. the 93s had some prombles but with good maintence it can be a great car.(but i just love the rotary engine) i think the prob with the 93 was the seals or cooling, i'm pretty sure it was the seals.

[mp5drift]

opps flat black just said what i wanted to but much much much better

[mp5jeff]

for those that think rx7's are unrealiable you are wrong, the only reason they get that is because some people who have them dont take care of them, i have a friend that has had his rx7 since he bought it with like 40k miles has around 110 now no problems...

[EXA4DRIVER]

I have a 2002 325i that I'm thinking about trading in. I'm in Cali, but shipping can be worked out. My wife and I want the 2003 E39 530i (we're not to fond of the E60 body style). PM me if you are interested.

[StarvingRussian]

I would have to say RX-7 or SRT-4.

Wait, fuck that, get the RX-7, keep the P5, RX-7 can be your fun car in which you speed. :D

[1sty]

Originally posted by Esteban Toledo
I voted for the bmw. Although, I actually like the srt, I wouldn't want to be associated w/ the majority of dodge owners/drivers. Here's an example: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15277

In the Dodge boys defense, a Troll from this site started that one!

[redrims]

The SRT-4 seems to be the only logical choice if you want speed, good price, warranty, and low insurance.

This is the best choice, easily.

[1sty]

I need to clarify a bit.
I can afford the MP3. NO reason I can't its just a bit anoying to realize you could get a new 28000 car talked down to 24000 which with todays APRs will cost less a month then my car.
Its hard to rationalize paying the same a month for a protege that I could for a mustang Mach 1.

Also it is comming more obvious that the Protege just can not realisticly handl th epower I want to put down. The car just isn't designed for it. Also the suspension is one of the best but I hardly use it. I never auto cross nor will I. Other then being stupid on off ramps the suspension is just a clunk to me.

I thought about refinancing it but I am already a bit pissed by the 8% financing I already paid off, I don't want to add more.

I have decided to sell the car but to wait to replace it.
The car is up for $13500. I hav ea few panels to fix/replace and the alternator to adress, if someone wants it as is they can have it for $12500.

Thanks guys for the advice, especialy on the RX-7.

[1sty]

Damn no love for the mustang and that was my leading choice.
Any one have a reason to not get it?

[PaulMP3]

i hate the way the look, and they are too popular.

[Familia323]

insurance.... but I guess if you dont care about that, then hell, go for it!

[Captain KRM P5]

I driven the latest and greatest Mustang, let me tell you. It's a complete brick. They have tremendous body lean, totally floating overpowered power steering, weak brakes, inordinate amounts of mass, ZERO interior comfort and/or room, even compared to my old Toyota Tercel. The chassis design dates to 1978 Ford Fairmonts for crying out loud. The manual tranny feels loose. I was really disappointed. For the price, you get a fast flying brick.

Faster definetely than a new RX-8, but dammmmmmn that 8 was tiiiight :)

[JAC]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Silver or blue were my only considerations for color.
There is a blue one at the dealer I mentioned waiting for a home right now. No sunroof or viper style seats.


How come? you don't like the viper style seats??? I think they look dope but I've never sat in one, are they uncomfortable?

[1sty]

They make it a bit of a apin to get in and out. but they aren't uncormfortable.
Red may be a possibility too. I hate yell and the P5 is black so those are out. Silver is everywhere these days so I might go for red.

[Flat Black]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Damn no love for the mustang and that was my leading choice.
Any one have a reason to not get it?

1. Its made by Ford.

2. Its an American car.

3. It has less get up and go than the MSP.

4. Horrible transmissions. Rear main seals go out constantly because of alignment problems.

5. The ride is horrible.

6. The gauges look like they came off an '89 Escort.

7. Its made by Ford.

8. You'll be like every other redneck in Texas waving a confederate flag.

9. The syle is dated.

10. Riceboy non-functional hood scoop. :wtf:

[Stealth5]

call carmax here in texas, they had a Mach1 with less than 2000 miles on it, a blue one, for $25k and some change

[Stealth5]

Originally posted by Flat Black


10. Riceboy non-functional hood scoop. :wtf:
thats "scoop" as you call it is a shaker, and yes, it is functional, it pulls in air from the outside, thats the intake you dummy

[Caffein8d]

SRT/4

ITs dope. 'Nuff Said.

[Flat Black]

Originally posted by Mr Jinx
SRT/4

ITs dope. 'Nuff Said.

1. It looks like a truck, even with full-coilovers and a body kit.

2. The engine is made in Mexico.

3. All I can think of is the old 'Hi.' commercials.

4. Enterprise has a fleet of them

5. You have now joined import haters central.

6. Passengers are confused by the 'Cranks' in the rear.

7. In 4 years your car will be worth 400 dollars.

8. No matter how hard you try, everyone will call it a Neon.

9. It may be fast, but it sure isnt pretty. You might as well go buy a 10-second Vega.

[StarvingRussian]

Originally posted by Flat Black
5. You have now joined import haters central

He drives a Mitsubishi.....I believe they are Japanese cars, making them animport.

[Midnight22]

Originally posted by Flat Black

10. Riceboy non-functional hood scoop. :wtf:

awww hell the fuck no, thats a shaker hood scoop there my friend that shit works, that aint no rice boy pooper scooper, dont u dare mix the gt and the mach, while i dont like mustangs a whole lot, i do respect them cuz of their heritage, and the mach is the heritage of the mustang, back from the 70's, so if i had the choice i would get that car cuz of itz heritage, then, upgrade the hell out of it so it would be reliable ;) but that scoop works, so dont confuse them or else (chair)

[Flat Black]

Originally posted by StarvingRussian
He drives a Mitsubishi.....I believe they are Japanese cars, making them animport.

They also have some of the worst crash ratings in the industry. Fail miserably in the reliability department, and 90% are driven by women.

[StarvingRussian]

Thats great. You called him an import hater, he drives an import. He doesnt hate it.

[Midnight22]

Originally posted by Flat Black
They also have some of the worst crash ratings in the industry. Fail miserably in the reliability department, and 90% are driven by women.

wtf is up with the sexist bs, thats not cool man, fuck i know a few girls who would drive cirlces around ur ass

[Stealth5]

Originally posted by Midnightracer22
awww hell the fuck no, thats a shaker hood scoop there my friend that shit works, that aint no rice boy pooper scooper, dont u dare mix the gt and the mach, while i dont like mustangs a whole lot, i do respect them cuz of their heritage, and the mach is the heritage of the mustang, back from the 70's, so if i had the choice i would get that car cuz of itz heritage, then, upgrade the hell out of it so it would be reliable ;) but that scoop works, so dont confuse them or else (chair)

hahaha, i beat you to it, check page 4

[Midnight22]

lol, i know, but i had to post this again, cuz i posted it on another thread too, also started about the gt and the mach, but damn, dun people know that the mach is!?!?!?!?

[servoeyes]

Ok...1sty...dunno if you're still checking this thread, but you should, just to see what I have to say :D

I'm surprised that no one has thrown the WRX in the mix here. This way you could drive it year round, have great aftermarket support to tinker, and a really freakin reliable car in a subaru. I'm sure that you could find one new for around 22k. You could even get a used one for like 17-19k and still have an ass-ton of warranty on it.

However, if you stick with the above stated options:
SRT-4 in silver (every other color looks like bad nail polish!)
Get the calipers done red (or put brembos on w/ red calipers) as that looks really neat...then make it look like the neon rally/touring car (which looks better than the stock in my opinion) I'm not a huge fan of the rims either. As for the alternator...well...ID's install in that neon looked sick, so I think that speaks volumes for what the Audiophile end-user could do.

[flat_black]

RX-7... Join the collective. =) Hehee. Just make sure you know that you'll need to invest time and effort into it's care and feeding. ;)

[mrpopnfresh]

Flat_black you bastard!! You have a Turbo II!!!!

[1sty]

Originally posted by servoeyes
Ok...1sty...dunno if you're still checking this thread, but you should, just to see what I have to say :D

I'm surprised that no one has thrown the WRX in the mix here. This way you could drive it year round, have great aftermarket support to tinker, and a really freakin reliable car in a subaru. I'm sure that you could find one new for around 22k. You could even get a used one for like 17-19k and still have an ass-ton of warranty on it.

However, if you stick with the above stated options:
SRT-4 in silver (every other color looks like bad nail polish!)
Get the calipers done red (or put brembos on w/ red calipers) as that looks really neat...then make it look like the neon rally/touring car (which looks better than the stock in my opinion) I'm not a huge fan of the rims either. As for the alternator...well...ID's install in that neon looked sick, so I think that speaks volumes for what the Audiophile end-user could do.

I already test drove a WRX and I didn't like it at all. The MP3-T is faster and the WRX handling is just shameful.Also the deal I worked out was for 21500

[flat_black]

Originally posted by mrpopnfresh
Flat_black you bastard!! You have a Turbo II!!!!

*grins* Of course!

[mazdadan]

I'd say go for the SRT-4. I previously owned 2 RX-7's and they were great. However, the RX-7 is a commitment. You have to constantly perform the maintenance and tinker with it to keep it running like a top. The first time you slack, you will have major problems. I had an '82 RX-7 with a 13B streetport running 12's and a '91 N/A. The '91 held up pretty well, but the engine blew its rear apex seal at about 140K. I eventually sold both of them. The '82 was basically a race car and I didn't run it much anymore. When the '91 died I was very busy and didn't have the time to pull the motor.

[servoeyes]

Which is damn good for a new WRX. The handling can be changed (at least the steering should have been tight) . Besides...You're looking at a Mustang and said you don't use the handling of the Mp3 that much, so I'm not sure why that would be a factor. Of course...it all comes down to being comfortable with what you drive. Of course...subaru is coming out with the B4 legacy in the states soon. It'll be a detuned version of the STi, but in the legacy body.

[1sty]

I have seen that legacy, very nice.
I found a dealer that will let the Mach I go for $23.5K but I still have this MP3 to sell. Chances say we will be well into the 04 model year on everything before it sells. I am going to sell the MP3 and dump what ever I make on it into what I owe on the P5.
Maybe next year I will have the available funds to get anything when I see a deal.

[scott42]

5.4 second 0-60 Forrester Turbo!! :D

had to throw that in...lol

[redrims]

Originally posted by scott42
5.4 second 0-60 Forrester Turbo!! :D

had to throw that in...lol

Oh yes. The 2004 Forester XT is a BEAST!

1/4 mile in 13.9 :eek: