More Pics of Prototype MSP Intercooler

[Dr.Sound]

here are more shots of this new IC:

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/Prototype/mspic1.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/Prototype/mspic2.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/Prototype/mspic3.jpg

[TitaniumSpeed]

Never got a chance to say: glad your OK!! Is there any new info on this thing?? Thanks for the pics. Is it just me or is that thing a lot thicker?

[Albert]

Is this the new Mazdaspeed one, or another one coming out?

[Striker187]

yeah it looks a lot thicker than the stock one.....and it better be!!! cause it looks like the same size length and height wise. plus aluminum end tanks (i asuume). looking good :) and this will be under the full factory warranty correct? i wonder if mazdaspeed also increased the efficiency of the ic? in any case, at least it's a step in the right direction.

[TitaniumSpeed]

Originally posted by Striker187
in any case, at least it's a step in the right direction.

(werd)

[Matthew]

it seems a bit small, but im not too good with intercoolers and those pics are a bit too close...but is it about 1/2 size of a fmic?

[Striker187]

depends on how big of an fmic you're talking about. skyline ic's are huge.

[TitaniumSpeed]

Is that you razor???....nice sig! Yes it is much smaller than a FMIC but if the efficiency is up compared to stock (much thicker, better internals, aluminum endtanks), then we can utilize the stock position, maintain our warranty (hopefully), and have some better performance!

[Matthew]

thats me!

[slug420]

is this rumored to be a mazdaspeed part we can buy, or a TSB replacing the stock IC for some reason? or neither, and it just happened to be on the prototype car that was testing the new ECU?

[ARunto]

i hope they make them :)

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by slug420
.............and it just happened to be on the prototype car that was testing the new ECU?


lol

[Dr.Sound]

i dont know how much i can say here.........hopefully the the "other" guy can jump in and explain it in more detail.
but then who know's if he can.............yet.

[Notorious]

Originally posted by slug420
is this rumored to be a mazdaspeed part we can buy, or a TSB replacing the stock IC for some reason? or neither, and it just happened to be on the prototype car that was testing the new ECU?

It won't be a TSB because there is nothing technically wrong with our IC. It's just a piece of crap.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by Notorious
It won't be a TSB because there is nothing technically wrong with our IC. It's just a piece of crap.
heheheheh (lol) (blarf) :'( (lol)

[slug420]

rofl

TSB 327318:
Intercooler Replacement
Some Mazdaspeed Proteges in the 2003-2003.5 model year were mistakingly shipped with some dog excriment, instead of an intercooler. This TSB replaces this canine excriment with a real functioning performance enhancing intercooler.

[SpicyMSP]

I drove this car. It was amazing. Nuff Said

[slug420]

what else does it have? besides IC and new ECU?

[SpicyMSP]

downpipe, exhaust.. flash, and tuned. Still runs stock boost though. Oh and body braces

[jrod1019]

how long before this part would be availible,and much could it cost? i wonder how much better a fmic like ions would be?

[SpicyMSP]

which part? I will be doing group buys for them. Starting tomorrow the downpipe Group buy. Then the body braces

[jeremyfl]

Ok so whats up with this intercooler????

Price?? Who makes it??? Come on give me info....Not fair to post and not give details LOL.....

You're messing with my emotions dammit......LOL

[jrod1019]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
which part? I will be doing group buys for them. Starting tomorrow the downpipe Group buy. Then the body braces the hole intercooler, and setup, who makes it? i gess its prob. a little more efficient and a little less press. drop which makes it that much better? thanks

[DiscreetSpeed]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
which part? I will be doing group buys for them. Starting tomorrow the downpipe Group buy. Then the body braces
hey steph, who makes the downpipe? is it the proto-something?

[DaKidd]

All I want to know is how, and when I can get my hands on one of those intercoolers??? Anyone have any Idea?

[SpicyMSP]

Originally posted by DiscreetSpeed
hey steph, who makes the downpipe? is it the proto-something?

Its the protosport downpipe. I will start a group buy for it tomorrow, (mon. morning) $250

[NJMAZDASPEED]

Can someone PLEASE!!! inform me when this intercooler is available and where i can get it from

[SpicyMSP]

Originally posted by NJMAZDASPEED
Can someone PLEASE!!! inform me when this intercooler is available and where i can get it from

Theese are great products and I want to make sure everyone here gets to see them. This IC setup will soon be available. Right now I am consentrating on the Protosport Downpipe and the Body Braces for the MSP, p5, and Mp3. But after we get these two out of the way, the upgraded intercooler should be next in line.

Body Braces:

http://mazdamp3.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33286

Downpipe:

http://mazdamp3.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32262

[srd555]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
[B]here are more shots of this new IC:

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/Prototype/mspic1.jpg

I would be all over this if it were available.

[SpicyMSP]

Originally posted by srd555
I would be all over this if it were available.

It will be available. I promise, just be patient

[srd555]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
It will be available. I promise, just be patient


You are now my best'es buddy in the whole wide world.

(drinks) (thumb)

(guitar) (dance)

[funnylittlman]

:D :D :D WOOT

I would love this damn intercooler! :)

[SpicyMSP]

I will let you guys know when it will be available. As for now, check out the other Protosport GB's.

[funnylittlman]

I know :D

Thanks Steph

[FC3s Boy]

where's the hard pipe kit fot the IC?

[Larone]

What are the dimensions of the IC - and what are the dimensions of our stock intercooler. I'm guessing Protosport is the company working on the intercooler - is this correct? About what price are we talking? (C'mon Spicy, succumb to the pressure and give all the details :))

[SpicyMSP]

bleh. please be patient. When the time comes, I will post all the info. Yes its Protosport.

[DiscreetSpeed]

ooooooh cool.(yes)
heres to ya steph (kiss)

[z00mer]

That IC is sweet!!! Just let us know when you plan on releasing it, and i'll be all over it!!!(evil)

[low_psi]

interesting....

[DiscreetSpeed]

hey steph can give us a little more info on the intercooler yet...
hp gain....i see its about 1/2 size bigger?

[Tommy1005]

Does Protosport have a website yet?

[stree_wario]

thats the shitiest intercooler i have ever seen...i say buy a big aftermarket one and put it behind the bumper..how much hp do u think that will add?

[FBI14]

Steph, having any deja vu right about now

[stree_wario]

huh?

[Emode]

der

[SpicyMSP]

Originally posted by Tommy1005
Does Protosport have a website yet?

Working on it. Not up yet.

[GI-]

...need more info...

[122 Vega]

deja vu

Yeah Steph, is it out yet, is it out yet, sould I pm you to find out if it's out yet?

Now is it out?

Britt

[funnylittlman]

Originally posted by stree_wario
thats the shitiest intercooler i have ever seen...i say buy a big aftermarket one and put it behind the bumper..how much hp do u think that will add?

Dude stop talking smack until you see the results.. then talk it :D

[GI-]

Sorry Steph, just didn't want this thread to die...

[GI-]

Bumpity, bump bump...

[ARunto]

when when when??? we wanna know? NOW!!! please :)

[SpicyMSP]

lol nice try. soon!

[KyRaceFan]

Stepppph.. FEED US. :D

In all seriousness, i'm also interested, in info as it comes available.

[EVILSRT]

Is this a Mazda part or Protosport?

[KyRaceFan]

protosport...

[SpicyMSP]

protosport!!!!

Check out the site.. coming along... be patient.

Protosport.net

eventually all products will be on the site, and you will be able to order through pay pal.

[EVILSRT]

I am patient, I am just curious.

[rahrcr]

Steph,

[SpicyMSP]

uh.... what???

[rahrcr]

Steph,
Does this IC mount in the stock location or are these modifications required?

[SpicyMSP]

who are you?? Did I meet you last night? It mounts in the stock location. There is also a frount mount coming out in the future too. are you on AIM?

[rahrcr]

we have never met, I was just curious. had my speed since march and am finally ready for some mods now that its starting to get cold

[Glowmunkey]

I have cash in hand. Eagerly awaiting more info on the intercooler.

[JPBlackMP5]

Stephanie,
I look forward to more products from protosport. BTW - got my hardware for the dp i purchased earlier. Thanx. I look forward to the installation and will show you soon! Yes, i got the MIL elimnator too! Where's James when you need him?? j/k.

[FrozenMazda]

Figured I'd bump this thread back up to the front to keep it alive...

Any new information???

[oldschool]

Just want to keep informed. very interesting.....

[JPBlackMP5]

Bump....any new IC info?

[Charlie97L]

ditto.

[brianmcd]

Alright, so what the hell is it? It's not mazdaspeed? Some guy mentioned it being warrantied, is he on crack? Is it just some intercooler by protosport, like any other aftermarket intercooler? Why not run an FMIC and get more gains? I'm confused :(.

~brian

[SpicyMSP]

Its going to be a Protosport Product. Please keep a eye on our website for details.

Protosport.net

I will update this forum when I have it. But everything will be picking up, products wise after SEMA.

[Charlie97L]

to my understanding, it's not warrantied, it's made by protosport... however, it being in the stock location, it may not be noticed to be aftermarket. i dunno, that's a good question.

[brianmcd]

I see. So the reason one might opt for this over the stock IC is the "stealth" factor, especially in warranty issues? What'll the power gains be compared to a FMIC?

~brian

[SpicyMSP]

working on a Stock location IC, and a front mount. Both require no cutting, and no problems have arrised so far in the testing stages. As I said, I will post all updates as I have them.

[richelesro]

The advantage of the SMIC is that it's harder to detect. However, that doesn't mean it doesn't function better. The ends are aluminum rather than plastic, the core is about 30% thicker, and the pressure drop is less (I think).

[srd555]

Hello Spicy,

I really like what you are doing with the site and the Mazda community in general.

I really like this intake:
http://www.protosport.net/gallery/dyno/dyno19.JPG
http://www.protosport.net/gallery/dyno/G_0012.JPG
http://www.protosport.net/gallery/dyno/dyno20.JPG

Can you tell us more about it PLeeeeeeeaaaaaassssseee???

[Dr.Sound]

it's much more efficient
it's not cold-air, since it uses the same location as out stock one......well almost the same, the nozle is directed more outward.

CF.....mostly for looks

dropping a K&N filter into stock box will yeld the same results

[srd555]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
it's much more efficient
it's not cold-air, since it uses the same location as out stock one......well almost the same, the nozle is directed more outward.

CF.....mostly for looks

dropping a K&N filter into stock box will yeld the same results


I dont Know,

but judging by its size in the pic, it looks like it could have a Cone style filter inside. The inlet looks a lot bigger than the 3" callaway elbow we have.

But again, I dont know.

[Dr.Sound]

i held it in my hands and spoken to a person who designed it.......

[srd555]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
i held it in my hands and spoken to a person who designed it.......


:o


oooh

[Glowmunkey]

BUMP

Anyone heard anything about Protosport's intercooler?? This money is burning a hole in my pocket and the Protege is feeling like a spoiled child that has fallen out of grace...

[richelesro]

We should here something soon now that SEMA is done.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
working on a Stock location IC, and a front mount. Both require no cutting, and no problems have arrised so far in the testing stages. As I said, I will post all updates as I have them.

This is more for me as I don't have the skill, tools, time or desire to take my whole front cover off. So please keep us updated.
Thanks...

[csman22]

bump

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by yashooa
This is more for me as I don't have the skill, tools, time or desire to take my whole front cover off. So please keep us updated.
Thanks...
lazy bum :D

[Brian MP5T]

Hey,

I was reading through this thread and thought I'd mention that I was able to find the space in a mazda protege for a full front. I'm not the only one, there are more of you out there with full front.

They are probably easier to find than a little thing that isn't much better than the stock one (Sorry but it's a fact)


Later...Post me if you want a layout for plumbing...

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by yashooa
This is more for me as I don't have the skill, tools, time or desire to take my whole front cover off. So please keep us updated.
Thanks...

It's actually really easy... Just remember where the screws go. :cool:

[yashooa]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
lazy bum :D

What! no animated gifs in the sig? Tsk, tsk Now who's the lazy one. :D

[YellowSpeed1229]

i want a "real" looking IC... lol.. no plastic SH*T

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by yashooa
What! no animated gifs in the sig? Tsk, tsk Now who's the lazy one. :D
:D

[csman22]

when is this thing availible? Or should I just call a custome shop to make this for me?

[SpicyMSP]

Hopefully January.

[YellowSpeed1229]

how much?

[Dr.Sound]

is it done yet?
is it, is it?
comon steph, when will it be out???
are there dynos?
is it out now?
how bout now?

[Dr.Sound]

now?

[jflo]

hahaha...how about....NOW !? what's wrong if i get a FMIC ? is there some illegal thing to it ? or is it because people still want warranty work when they get this done ?

[YellowSpeed1229]

i want... lol maybe..lol

[biochembruin]

will there be a hard pipe kit from protosport that will match up to this intercooler?

[Dr.Sound]

any hardpipe kit that matches up to stock intercooler will match up to the protosport one

[SpicyMSP]

THe stock pipes are pressure tested up to 24PSI, I don't think we will be selling a hardpipe with this kit.

[instylz]

I don't mean to sound like a noob but if the FMIC is also being created will there be #'s to compare the one that fits in the stock location to that of the front mount. By numbers I mean efficiency before and after a long run and hp loss from heatsoak. Thanks :)

[Dr.Sound]

yeah, but dont forget.....
for FMIC u have to cut the bumper and get a new radiator.
plus u have to get hardpipes.
u can also kiss your worranty good bye.

protosport IC fits into the stock location, nothing to be cut, fits stock pipes, and mechanics at the dealership wont even notice it.

[JPBlackMP5]

That's a legit question.....:D
I like the idea of this one however to maintain warranty.... assuming that's the case. Right steph?


Originally posted by instylz
I don't mean to sound like a noob but if the FMIC is also being created will there be #'s to compare the one that fits in the stock location to that of the front mount. By numbers I mean efficientcy before and after a long run and hp loss from heatsoak. Thanks :)

[boostisgood]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
THe stock pipes are pressure tested up to 24PSI, I don't think we will be selling a hardpipe with this kit.

Whoooahhhh, Not trying to be a dick here, but have you seen the expansion on the stock pipes? They expand up to 2 inches, before you even hit boost. That will create a very inefficent boost level curve, and render an upgraded IC useless. :D Just my info to share with ya to use as necessary. :D

[Dr.Sound]

well u can get harpipes made to fit into stock location for like $300 and powder coat them black.

when comparing the 2, both will equal in efficiency up to 12 PSI.
after that FMIC becomes more efficient.
but most of the people dont want to go over 12 psi anyway (not to mention spend $1300 on FMIC and hard pipes)

[biochembruin]

i don't know of any kits for hard pipes that work on the stock intercooler, are there any kits, or is that pretty much a custom job?

[instylz]

Any estimate on the Price?

[Dr.Sound]

some people on this site are selling the kits that fit into stock location

[Dr.Sound]

and some are already powdrecoated black.........

[Zray]

If the price is right, I'm definitely a customer =)

*subscribes to thread*

[instylz]

Yea I'm def in as well

[FBI14]

Originally posted by biochembruin
i don't know of any kits for hard pipes that work on the stock intercooler, are there any kits, or is that pretty much a custom job?

Spool makes a hard pipe kit that replaces the plastic pipes

[Brian MP5T]

I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular but, heat soak? Your proposing to change a little IC with another little IC. If you are so worried about heat soak, why don't you do something a little more drastic. Replacing the stock IC with a presumably better than stock IC mounted in the same "no flow" place? I read further up that there was a full front kit floating around. Sprayers and Minor upgrades only make minor improvements to a fundamental poor design. The MSP should have a larger IC if it were to stay where it is. and/or it should be placed in a air flow to lessen the effeciency problem.

2 cents.:cool:

[FBI14]

If you put in a FMIC you then have to worry about the Radaitor being blocked and the turbo working harder with more piping.
*I know now this cause someone educated me *

[Dr.Sound]

^ exactly

and our turbo is not the biggest.
actually looks something like this:
(compared to T3/T4)

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/turbos.jpg

[instylz]

OMG it lookgs wimpy as hell....hahahaha

[Dr.Sound]

well, that's not our (t25) turbo, but ours is almost as small :D

that T3/T4 is almost as big as my head:

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/turbo%20and%20vic.jpg

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by FBI14
If you put in a FMIC you then have to worry about the Radaitor being blocked and the turbo working harder with more piping.
*I know now this cause someone educated me *

The radiator being blocked is a concern, however, if done correctly the FMIC should be at least 1 to 2 inches from the rad allowing blowthrough. If you are worried about the intercooler itself transfering heat to the rad, I dont think there is much reason for concern. On my install the top portion of the rad is still exposed and I have installed a relay to overide the fans. I can turn them on and leave them on at the flick of a switch. I use it mostly fo when the car is on the turbo timer. The relay is hooked up to two signals. Switch and turbo timer. When I take out the key and the turbo timer kicks in, the signal form the TT triggers the relay. It's really slick.

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by FBI14
If you put in a FMIC you then have to worry about the Radaitor being blocked and the turbo working harder with more piping.
*I know now this cause someone educated me *

Sorry, I did not see the second part of your post until now...

I understand what you are talking about with the intake plumbing being a drag over increased distance. Most of you guys are still running those corrugated accordion rubber hoses. Don't you think that those might have more drag than a set of mandrel bent aluminum hard pipes. Further, the pipes dissipate heat as the charge is traveling to the IC. The result is even less concern about heat soak. Your argument is good however; I think you are worried about the Drop in the bucket thing.

Later...Brian

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
[B]well, that's not our (t25) turbo, but ours is almost as small :D

that T3/T4 is almost as big as my head:



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That is not a T3/T4. That thing could ingest a T3/T4. It's a Gerrett T-78 for a Toyota Supra. It's a T6

However, that is a really nice Turbo. Is it yours and are you planning to put it in a Protege?

[Dr.Sound]

oh, haha
i thought it was a t3/4, sorry.......that thing is HUGE!

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
oh, haha
i thought it was a t3/4, sorry.......that thing is HUGE!

That thing is a monster man. You would need alot of exaust to spool that turbine quickly.

Later...Brian

[SaaBaaDoo]

I like the new prototype intercooler a LOT! looks better, but performance wise?

My question is...Intercoolers in general are expensive...especially FMICs. Wouldn't it be cheaper and give more power if a CO2 Ntercooler kit was installed vs. whole new intercooler????

[KyRaceFan]

Cheapest FMIC kit- Buy a core with endtanks premade for 200-400, fab alum pipes 250-300. Labor 200. FMIC for 650-800.
Theres a guy here who just got a 22x10 spearco core, with custom pipes and labor for about 700.

But im still interested in the replacement for the stock position.
If it flows better and is more efficient, i'll definately get one. I just had hard pipes made, so if they will still fit, then im all for it.

[CarlM2]

I agree with Ky... I'm looking forward to the release of this IC.. but, will it really happen?

If you are going to release something, release it. Why not just bring this to market when it's complete? It shoots the credibility of this project in the foot when it's clearly installed but...... there's no plan for production.... except I'm told to 'be patient'... when is that? a year from now, more, less?

I should take a break from this board and come back in 6 months and then maybe this IC, Corksport will have some stuff, Ion will have a site, and everything will be rolling...



Make a date and stick to it or it's vapor-ware....

[SpicyMSP]

simma down now. This wasnt even posted as for sale. It was just some pictures Dr.Sound of it in production on a car. Make a note this was not posted by the vendor. He didnt post theese pictures even SAYING it will be released as a product. and people jumped on it. Dont get me wrong , it will be, but we promised nothing. The IC is beeing handed off to mazda to check out... as of this sunday.. .and after the body braces are out and ready in Jan then we can concentrate on the IC.

[SpicyMchaggis]

*stuffs head inside turbo and makes woosh sound

[SpicyMSP]

anyway what I am trying to say is the person who posted this is not affiliated with Protosport and its Production dates. Again, he just posted the pictures not promising anything.

[CarlM2]

OK cool. Sorry for the rant. I don't know who's who around here and figured people posting new products are directly related to the manufacturer.

So, glad to hear it's moving. I am a bit frustrated with trying to find products that actually exist for the MSP. There's so much speculation and gossip on this forum I don't know who's for real.

My apologies for taking this frustration out on you, Spicy.

-C

[Dr.Sound]

yeah, my bad
i didnt think it would escelate to something like this, i though people would like to see pics of what's coming....

[SpicyMSP]

no worries. Frantically trying to get more (2nd batch) of downpipes out, and getting the body braces squared away. One thing at a time. Just check our website for updates, and I will post everything I know on here.

[CarlM2]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
yeah, my bad
i didnt think it would escelate to something like this, i though people would like to see pics of what's coming....

I think it's great that someone's working on this solution. The reason it escalated is because a lot of people know (or think they know) that replacing the IC is getting rid of a known bottleneck for our turbo system... both figuratively and literally.

So, it's great to see this but, it's worse knowing that it's out there and won't be available for a long time. Maybe others like to drool over stuff a long time but, I just like to buy it when it's ready (and has some dyno results or flow testing, or other credible testing results).... which I'm willing to wait for.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by CarlM2
I think it's great that someone's working on this solution. The reason it escalated is because a lot of people know (or think they know) that replacing the IC is getting rid of a known bottleneck for our turbo system... both figuratively and literally.

So, it's great to see this but, it's worse knowing that it's out there and won't be available for a long time. Maybe others like to drool over stuff a long time but, I just like to buy it when it's ready (and has some dyno results or flow testing, or other credible testing results).... which I'm willing to wait for.

I just think it's pretty (k) :p (k)
It will go well with my 18'' true spoke wheels and white walls.
(laugh) (moon) (laugh)

[SirJaime]

{spin spin spin} What the hell are you talking about Body Braces ! ? ? ? ? ?


WE WANT THE DAMN IC ! ! ! WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO (YOU TEASE)? Chain you to the wipping post "an beat you down"?

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by SaaBaaDoo
I like the new prototype intercooler a LOT! looks better, but performance wise?

My question is...Intercoolers in general are expensive...especially FMICs. Wouldn't it be cheaper and give more power if a CO2 Ntercooler kit was installed vs. whole new intercooler????

An intercooler does not make more power. It reduces the intake charge temperature. It helps reliability issues in a stock configuration. A turbo makes pressure quickly. When it does that it normally heats the air up a bit. The more you ask of a Turbo the more heat it makes. Little turbos are good at making up to 10 PSI, big turbos make more pressure with less heat. If you are running stock boost pressure you should not need to upgrade your intercooler...really. A Garrett T-25 at 10 + PSI can make plus of 200 Deg Celcius. This air at that temp and boost being pushed into a hot engine under load increases the risk of detonation. It also helps by making the air denser, more air in a given volume of air = more air to burn the fuel!!!

I hope this helps. I kept it really simple. There are other things to consider too. But CO2 might not be the Bang for Buck that you are looking for.

Later...Brian

[MazdaDryvr]

what does a downpipe do?

[SirJaime]

There are no new pic's or news , Y does this have a date of 12/18?

[MazdaDryvr]

well, thats todays date.

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by MazdaDryvr
what does a downpipe do?

I'm going to go off the idea that you aren't trying to be funny and answer your question.

The down pipe is the first exaust pipe after the turbine housing. it is responsible for taking the very hot exaust gasses to the cat if you have one installed. The idea of getting a larger diameter downpipe is that if you have less resistance on that side of the turbine, you will have a greater diferential between the two sides of the exaust turbine and you should be able to spool up to max boost faster.

Later...Brian

[SaaBaaDoo]

Brian MP5T-

Sorry, I worded my question wrong with "performance". Actually what I was trying to say was... Wouldn't a CO2 sprayer or Ntercooler set-up be better to get a lower charge temp vs. new intercooler?

[MazdaDryvr]

Brian, Thanks for the info. So would you benefit from putting a larger diameter exhaust after the downpipe too? Seems to make sense.

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by SaaBaaDoo
Brian MP5T-

Sorry, I worded my question wrong with "performance". Actually what I was trying to say was... Wouldn't a CO2 sprayer or Ntercooler set-up be better to get a lower charge temp vs. new intercooler?

On a drag strip, but if you had to hit a sprayer every time you accelerated it would become really fucked to have to fill some bottle all the time. The Intercooler upgrade is better overall because it works all the time to reduce the charge temperature. It is more efficient at disipating heat. Many drag setups use a one shot intercooler that is filled with ice and water. Once the ice melts it starts to fail. However most drag races only last 10 - 15 seconds.

Like Turbo vs. Nos. "Always not just on a button".


Later...Brian

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by MazdaDryvr
Brian, Thanks for the info. So would you benefit from putting a larger diameter exhaust after the downpipe too? Seems to make sense.

Anything to help the flow after the turbine would do the same thing. Most drag cars use a 3 or 4 inch pipe that run directly on the road under the engine. This is impractical for daily drivers so we try to increase the flow and keep things quiet too. A tough ballance. High flow cats are the way to go. Just changing your pipes is a good start but think about the weakest link idea. If you had a 22 inch pipe on a 2" cat, you would have the same flow as a 2 inch pipe.

Later...Brian

[bill harvey]

bump... it's january is it out yet?

[ARunto]

sure would be nice

[SDMSP]

bump

[SpicyMSP]

I dropped the IC off at Mazdaspeed R&D for testing

[TheJohnny]

Sweet, I imagine that it will be a few weeks before anything comes back on it. Hopefully they'll want to look at it soon. Thanks again for the leg work.

[ARunto]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
I dropped the IC off at Mazdaspeed R&D for testing

so is there possibilty of getting this made?

[blueboost]

Hey try this Mazdacompetition part #000-01-9352-kt, your welcome!

[SpicyMSP]

huh?

[ARunto]

where can that be ordered then? mazdamotorsports?

[All Boost]

Spicy said he just dropped it off at Mazdaspeed. I know people can be impatient, but how many times does someone have to say "sit down, shut up. The second this IC becomes available, you'll hear about it.

I'm itchin just as bad as the next guy. I'm sure a few weeks after MS is finnished testing the thing, someone will post dyno results and possibly put that bad ass IC into production.

[SpicyMSP]

Spicy = The She... Thank you for the kind words though. As All Boost stated, I will let everyone know whats going on as I do. I am not holding anything back. And I thank everyone who is interested for being so patient.

[KyRaceFan]

thanks spicy for the new info, look forward to seeing what gets done with this setup.

[yashooa]

Originally posted by All Boost

I'm itchin just as bad as the next guy.
One word 'GOLDBOND."
:p :D :p

[oldzoomer]

just remember, patience is a virtue.


now if I could only figure out what virtue means.

:)

[Brian MP5T]

Bump

[blueboost]

Look I am only trying to help. The part number is posted
on the Grand American Racing web site. The MSP is in the
sport touring class with the rx8. Surf their site for pictures
of the MSP during test days.(Grand Am Cup)
They show a Large IC in the front of a MSP. Personally it
would be VERY easy to use one of many aftermarket IC's
in front of the radiator, just fab a bracket and plumb up
the ends. It would also be easy to fab a coldair/ramair
system using the left front duct. I am a lifelong mazda
nut and race/build 12a's and 13b's . I have owned many
Mazda auto's and my son's new MSP is by far the most
fun to drive. :) :)

[StuttersC]

Neat!

[yashooa]

Originally posted by Brian MP5T
Bump
Damn you Bryan and your constant FLAMING!! :p :D :p

[Swerny]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
I dropped the IC off at Mazdaspeed R&D for testing

I'm a little confused, I just read the whole thread, and can't quite figure out why this is being dropped off at mazda for their evaluation ???
If this is an aftermarket part, why does Protosport require Mazda approval ?
Are they hoping to get approval for this part so that Mazda won't void our warranties if we choose to install it ?
Am i missing something here ?
Someone who is in the know, please fill me in.
Thanks

[Brian MP5T]

Originally posted by yashooa
Damn you Bryan and your constant FLAMING!! :p :D :p

I take a back seat to no one!! ( That's why I have my own car )

(p5white) (canada)

[SpicyMSP]

Ugh this is turning out to be like the whole Injen fiasco from last year. If i have any additional info, I will post it. But this is all I have for the time being about this IC. From now on I will be ignoring this thread until I have any new information to post. If it is something SOOO important that you need to ask me, PM it to me. But that dosent mean I will answer if you PM me with "when Is the IC coming out?" Hee hee now that I think about it.. . this is the whole injen fiasco.

[Glowmunkey]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
Ugh this is turning out to be like the whole Injen fiasco from last year. If i have any additional info, I will post it. But this is all I have for the time being about this IC. From now on I will be ignoring this thread until I have any new information to post. If it is something SOOO important that you need to ask me, PM it to me. But that dosent mean I will answer if you PM me with "when Is the IC coming out?" Hee hee now that I think about it.. . this is the whole injen fiasco.

No offense intended, but people will be anxious when they are waiting 4 months or more for a product to enter production. R&D takes time, but this is hardly uncharted territory.

[SpicyMSP]

No offence taken. And i said I wasnt going to check this thread. I feel the need to defend myself here because the vendor(protosport) did not post about this product coming out. It was a member not affiliated with Protosport or its production dates.

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
blah blah blah fiasco. blah blah blah injen. blah blah blah fiasco.
fiasco :confused:

[SpicyMSP]

HI victor! Guess what?! James and I went to Krispy Kreme tonight, and its buy one dozen, get one free!! It was a nice surprise!!

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
fiasco :confused:


Lately??

[Dr.Sound]

haha
nice!

say hi to james, havent talked to him in a while.

n()()b! i dont have your new phone number!!!!! PM me!

[TheJohnny]

Oh man, keeping the hope alive....

[srd555]

(uhm) Has this project died?

[jersey_emt]

Yeah, what's the deal with this??

[b00sted]

yea its dieded, i guess we can uncross our fingers now

[SpicyMSP]

Protosport dissapeared.

[GI-]

Protosport dissapeared.
Huh? What?

[SirJaime]

I think it looks like the IC thats already on there.(uhm)

[SuperSpud]

got my hopes up for nothing I guess... I dont see why this hasnt come out yet.. there are obviously LOTS of people who would get it....

[Pirana]

If not mistaken, this IC is been shown on this months Import Racer magazine under the name of Circuit-Sports. At least it looks the same.

vic

[GI-]

If not mistaken, this IC is been shown on this months Import Racer magazine under the name of Circuit-Sports. At least it looks the same.

vic
Pirana,

Which months magazine are you referring to, and do you have any links?

[Pirana]

Its not on their website, its the April 2004 with a silver RSX in the cover. On page 84 they start a whole chapter of Mazdaspeed and their power study. They added this intercooler, a downpipe (delete cats), and intake, exhaust, up the boost to 9.4psi and some ECU calibration (no explanation until next issue) to up the wheel horsepower to 210.

[GI-]

Its not on their website, its the April 2004 with a silver RSX in the cover. On page 84 they start a whole chapter of Mazdaspeed and their power study. They added this intercooler, a downpipe (delete cats), and intake, exhaust, up the boost to 9.4psi and some ECU calibration (no explanation until next issue) to up the wheel horsepower to 210.
Did they say that this was a direct replacement intercooler and where they got it from? I appreciate you posting this!

[yashooa]

Its not on their website, its the April 2004 with a silver RSX in the cover. On page 84 they start a whole chapter of Mazdaspeed and their power study. They added this intercooler, a downpipe (delete cats), and intake, exhaust, up the boost to 9.4psi and some ECU calibration (no explanation until next issue) to up the wheel horsepower to 210.CLARIFY THIS PLEASE fishy boeey! Yash wants this mod!

[Pirana]

"Circuit-Sports came up with a new upgrade drop-in replacemnet inter-cooler design...pressure drop across the core was at a maximum 1.5psig [compared to 3.0psig with factory], while temperature drop netted a 94f delta factor."

This IC gave the MSP a +8whp gain.

Like I said, I dont know, but this 2 IC looked exactly the same, and even installed in a Spicy Orange MSP.

Please email the mag so we can have more support and interest in the MSP at editorial@importracermag.com also tell them you dont want to see no more Euro Lowrider style cars!!! Pleaze!!

[jersey_emt]

Its not on their website, its the April 2004 with a silver RSX in the cover. On page 84 they start a whole chapter of Mazdaspeed and their power study. They added this intercooler, a downpipe (delete cats), and intake, exhaust, up the boost to 9.4psi and some ECU calibration (no explanation until next issue) to up the wheel horsepower to 210.
That's a good jump. I'm planning for a 200WHP daily driver @ around 10psi. Glad to hear that it's possible.

[MetalSpeed]

Which magazine? RSX? April 2004? (uhm)

[Pirana]

If not mistaken, this IC is been shown on this months Import Racer magazine under the name of Circuit-Sports. At least it looks the same.


straight from page 12

[yashooa]

I emailed those Bastards asking for some contact info on Circuit Sports and to tell them to please do more Euro lowriders (poke)(laugh)(poke)

[SuperSpud]

I mailed them as well. just to find out what all they used on the car, and some specs.. we'll see if they get back to us.

[Pirana]

cool just keep bothering them, even with fake email addresses :D

[Black Majik MSP]

Don't know if this was posted already, but does anyone else think that Protosport mysteriously turned into Circuit Sport? All of the parts they are mentioning seem to be the exact same.

Anyway, I remember hearing about this SMIC shortly after I joined this site & nothing has yet been produced, so here is the info on one that hopefully will be:

I just spoke to Tom from Forge & they are definately considering the SMIC now that I told him these is a lot of interest. The main things they need to look at are the fabrication (since the main company is based in England) & what type of pipes/hoses they would use in which locations. Right now, he said it would probably be an IC core that fits in the stock location & uses the stock piping route, but replaces it with a thicker, more efficient core & harpipes/silicone hoses/combo of both. Price should be around $600, but that is just an estimate. Here is the link to a similar unit (same price & hopefully similar power increase) that Forge makes for the GTI 1.8T:

http://www.forgemotorsport.com/tun.asp?cat=tun&product=FMINTMKS

[Dr.Sound]

$600 seems like too much money.......
protosport was going to be arround $300-450.

i guess it also depends on the internals of the IC, but 600 is too much.

now if that's $600 including the hard pipes, then we're talking!
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[Black Majik MSP]

$600 seems like too much money.......
protosport was going to be arround $300-450.

i guess it also depends on the internals of the IC, but 600 is too much.

now if that's $600 including the hard pipes, then we're talking!
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Vic: $600 is for the whole setup, including pipes. Forge sells FMIC cores for $300, so this obviously isn't just the core.

[kazson]

my intrest has been sparked (upbum)

[Black Majik MSP]

my intrest has been sparked (upbum)
Please see the 2nd link in my sig then. :D

[Tommy1005]

Pic up this months Import Racer, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not. But starting on pg. 84 is an article on our beloved MSP. The do DG's intake, Circuit-Sports dp and SMIC, Greddy Power Extreme exhaust, the flash, and turned the boost up to about 10psi and put down 208hp/210ft-lbs. The intercooler gave them 8hp and 14ft-lbs which is about the same as what I've seen FMIC's give with limited mods. Just thought you might want to check it out.

[Black Majik MSP]

Welcome to last week:

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb300/showthread.php?t=53965&highlight=Import+Racer

[Horse]

What about a SMIC that uses the stock piping-

and before I get a bunch of wise guys commenting on stock vs hard pipes ect ect ect

I have a warrranty I need to protect-
If I get a SMIC with stock piping than the mechanics arent going to know CHAT about the difference.

[Black Majik MSP]

What about a SMIC that uses the stock piping-

and before I get a bunch of wise guys commenting on stock vs hard pipes ect ect ect

I have a warrranty I need to protect-
If I get a SMIC with stock piping than the mechanics arent going to know CHAT about the difference.
I see you found the other thread...good. :D

[Horse]

I see you found the other thread...good. :D

LOL- Im all sorts of messed up right now -

Too much going on!!

Gracias to you