Just got my car Re-Flashed And....

[No.5]

..it still <b>STALLS</b>.

Seems like I have a bigger issue; Air/Idle sensor?...who knows.

Mazda Canada is currently looking into my issue.

What extactly does my car do? Try doing this and let me know if your call Stalls/or almost does:

1. From 2nd Gear, shift to 3rd and punch it hard. Get to about 5-6k RPM and simply put the car in Neutral. Watch to see where your RPM's fall to.

Now granted, I can reproduce this same issue by other techinques even with the clutch engaged, so it simply doens't happen while in Neutral. The above technique will stall, or almost die my car out 95% of the time. And as I mentioned, while I don't drive like this, "properly" driving when RPM'S rise quickly then drop (accelerating/decelerating), will stall my car out.

[jaymode]

are you running the stock bpv? Maybe the hose that is used to recirulate it has a leak?

[No.5]

Sorry guys...I forgot to mention that I'm running <b> BONE STOCK</b>.

I also had my first 8000km inspection done....no leaks in hoses.....everything checked out fine.

[funnylittlman]

The only thing I can say is that you should be given a new car No. 5.

That's BS

[1sty]

DOes it make it worse based on electrical load?

Like it almost stalls when doing this but have the AC on and it will stall every time?

[No.5]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
DOes it make it worse based on electrical load?


Nope....I can have everything turned OFF, and it still behaves the same as if I had everything ON.

[1sty]

I have to say vac leak. Maybe a hole in the Intercooler cores.
No CEL's I take it?

[No.5]

Originally posted by funnylittlman
The only thing I can say is that you should be given a new car No. 5.

That's BS

Feel MY PAIN AND FUSTRATION.

I'm patient, and understand things take time to fix. But I've had this car, for like 7 months, and it stalls, or behaves as if it's going to stall, almost daily.

Get a new car? - no way in hell Mazda Canada would do that. I'm stuck with this headache.

I'm also getting a second set of D Bushings...the car is starting the bang-bang-bang again with the first set of D's.

So let's see...a little less than 8000km's and (1) stress cracked windshield (2) Stalling (3) 2 sets of bushings (4) Crooked steering wheel, car pulls slightly to the right, although the dealership said a wheel alignment was done after delivery....hmmmmm

[1sty]

I don't know about canada but in the US they have to fix it or its a lemon and they must buy it back.
Also if they have to fix the same problem 3 times in one year and the problem reoccures then it is also a lemon and they mus buy it back.

[DistantTea]

Thats not a lemon, even by tough Ohio standards. Remember lemon laws vary state to state... and obviously country to country. Alot more is going to have to go wrong before that car will be taken back. The stalling issue though can be considered a deadly defect. Check with one of those crazy canadian lawyers and see if you are covered since the defect is dangerous and could cause harm during public driving. I would assume canada has some kind of consumer protection right?

[Stormtrooper77]

Hey No.5. Where did you go to get flashed?

So you're saying that the only time the car stalls is when the rpm's suddenly drop? If so, do they drop to a certain point and then stall or does it just stall? How is your idle? I'm thinking it could be a throttle body problem. But I'm just picking at straws here. Hell, I've only looked under the hood of an MSP only once, briefly.

[No.5]

Originally posted by Stormtrooper77
Hey No.5. Where did you go to get flashed?

So you're saying that the only time the car stalls is when the rpm's suddenly drop? If so, do they drop to a certain point and then stall or does it just stall? How is your idle? I'm thinking it could be a throttle body problem. But I'm just picking at straws here. Hell, I've only looked under the hood of an MSP only once, briefly.

Destination Mazda; they have been the most proactive Mazda dealership in Wpg (in my perspective).

<u>But...there has been an update to my case as of this afternoon.</u> Mazda Canada QA contacted Destination Mazda and is sending a "part" via courier that will apparently fix my problem. Don't know what the part is, but alteast Mazda Canada has acknowledged my concern and seems to be trying to help.

I will keep you all posted when this "part" is installed on my car.

Service at Destination Mazda is great.

[MSPainter]

Mine does the same thing. If I accelerate and the person in front of me slows down I push in the clutch and it dies. Sometimes the revs just dip real low and it keeps running.

I just had my car flashed monday, but it has been doing this since I've had it.:mad: :mad:

[No.5]

Originally posted by MSPainter
Mine does the same thing. If I accelerate and the person in front of me slows down I push in the clutch and it dies. Sometimes the revs just dip real low and it keeps running.

I just had my car flashed monday, but it has been doing this since I've had it.:mad: :mad:

Lucky me....seems like I'll be the first one in North America with this "new part". Apparently I was told that this part has been released via Mazda's QA committee, and it not available yet to the Part distribution area.

New engineered Part, or old part?...Not Sure.

In any event, MCI (Mazda Canada Inc.) seems very optimistic that this part will fix my stalling.

Interesting MSPainter...you have the extact same thing which leads me to believe I'm not an isolated case. I'll PM you with what this Part is when installed, and ofcourse if it fixes my problem.

My car should be going back for servicing within the next few days.

[boostisgood]

Originally posted by MSPainter
Mine does the same thing. If I accelerate and the person in front of me slows down I push in the clutch and it dies. Sometimes the revs just dip real low and it keeps running.

I just had my car flashed monday, but it has been doing this since I've had it.:mad: :mad:


Are you running an open air BOV ? The way your car stalls, it sounds like that would be the case.

[1sty]

Originally posted by No.5
Lucky me....seems like I'll be the first one in North America with this "new part". Apparently I was told that this part has been released via Mazda's QA committee, and it not available yet to the Part distribution area.

New engineered Part, or old part?...Not Sure.

In any event, MCI (Mazda Canada Inc.) seems very optimistic that this part will fix my stalling.

Interesting MSPainter...you have the extact same thing which leads me to believe I'm not an isolated case. I'll PM you with what this Part is when installed, and ofcourse if it fixes my problem.

My car should be going back for servicing within the next few days.

PLease let me know too if and what fixes it.

[MSPainter]

No my car is completely stock:confused:

I plan on putting my MBC on this weekend, I hope it doesn't make it worse

[YuYuRena]

Don't PM MSPainter only, post it, since I think it is a safety issue, that MSP owner should be aware of.

[girth]

Originally posted by YuYuRena
Don't PM MSPainter only, post it, since I think it is a safety issue, that MSP owner should be aware of.

I agree.:)

[No.5]

Update as of September 24,2003

Mazda installed a new Air-Intake hose, which is apparently a wider diameter than the stock one. It's also secured with heavy duty clamps at both the Turbo and Air Box.

I don't have a Part # yet since the Dealership had to submit this paper work to Mazda Canada (took about an hr to install when Mazda Canada said it would take 15 minutes.) Anyways, they will mail out the service paper to me when they are done with the administrative stuff; hopefully it will have the Part #.

My car does not stall anymore with new updated hose

All my old ways of reproducing the Stall,.....I just can't stall it anymore.

Yah!....now I'll moniter over the long term. Gee....and after all this time, that was the problem..... :confused:

Once I have a Part #, I'll post it.

[jaymode]

and maybe some pics too if possible. Wonder if this would help performance at all seeing as it is a larger diameter.

[No.5]

Originally posted by jaymode
and maybe some pics too if possible. Wonder if this would help performance at all seeing as it is a larger diameter.

We'll do..I'll try and snag a digital camera.

Performance increase; hard to tell.

The dealership said they never replaced any air sensors (for which I thought perhaps this was my problem).

[Stormtrooper77]

Larger intake hose hey? That's wierd. I wonder how your car will react if you end up putting on a CAI?

[low_psi]

all they did was fix a vaccum leak is sounds like. they just are using a new intake hose...

[No.5]

Originally posted by mx3ownzj00
all they did was fix a vaccum leak is sounds like. they just are using a new intake hose...

Leak...all indications would indicate Yes, but tests concluded (prior to the new hose), that there was no leak.

[zzooomm]

I had the same problem for the first day, then it went away. The tach would jump all over the place and the light or when I came to a stop. It is gone now.

[articus]

No. 5, did you get the part # for the air intake hose that Mazda installed? Does your car still stall after a couple of months with the larger diameter air intake hose installed?

I recently had my car flashed and my sway bar buschings replaced. Everything seems to run fine now, though the engine does stall but starts right back up while I'm still in neutral. Would like to resolve all of this if I could get the part number for the air intake hose.

Anyone have any more news regarding the engine stall?

One other thing, there is now a TSB for the "Clunk" in the rear suspension. As mentiond, they replaced the sway bar buschings with a new busching. The mechanic I spoke with said the TSB replaces the buschings with a new teflon busching. I asked if I could see the old buschings but said he had already boxed them up. My apologies but I don't have the TSB number but I did see that it applied to both the MP3 and the Mazdaspeed. We'll see how these new teflon buschings fair after a few months of driving.

Happy driving!

[No.5]

Originally posted by articus
No. 5, did you get the part # for the air intake hose that Mazda installed? Does your car still stall after a couple of months with the larger diameter air intake hose installed?

I recently had my car flashed and my sway bar buschings replaced. Everything seems to run fine now, though the engine does stall but starts right back up while I'm still in neutral. Would like to resolve all of this if I could get the part number for the air intake hose.

Anyone have any more news regarding the engine stall?

One other thing, there is now a TSB for the "Clunk" in the rear suspension. As mentiond, they replaced the sway bar buschings with a new busching. The mechanic I spoke with said the TSB replaces the buschings with a new teflon busching. I asked if I could see the old buschings but said he had already boxed them up. My apologies but I don't have the TSB number but I did see that it applied to both the MP3 and the Mazdaspeed. We'll see how these new teflon buschings fair after a few months of driving.

Happy driving!

Looking at my service records, there was no actual part # given. As per what was stated,

COMPLAINT: CUSTOMER REPORTS STALLING WHEN DEPRESSING CLUTCH AFTER WIDE OPEN THROTTLE
CAUSE: INTAKE AIR FLOWING UPSTREAM CAUSING STALL
CORRECTION: INSTALL COLD AIR INTAKE UNIT PROVIDED BY MAZDA CANADA.


My car has NOT stalled once since the new unit was installed, nor has it been close to.

PM me if you want information on how to go about getting it solved for you.

As per the bushings, part #BN7H-28-156E....I've had them installed since Sept.25th, and still no clunk. Let's see how much longer they will last.

[Stormtrooper77]

Are you still going to Destination for your work?

[No.5]

Originally posted by Stormtrooper77
Are you still going to Destination for your work?

Yes. I've had no issues with my warranty work what-so-ever.