R.I.P. My Baby.........Good Times

[Dr.Sound]

to all the people that know me well (and not so well) i crashed my MSP...........crashed it bad.

here is a pic of what it looked like after it fell down 350 ft and flipped 15 times, that's the roof of my car with arrow pointing at it:
(the rest of the pics are in the link below the pic)

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/Misc/mspdead.jpghttp://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/Misc/mspdead.jpg

here's the link with the rest of pics

http://netsnapshot.com/pcw/b?KEY=15&ACCOUNT=14867

P.S. i was the oly on in the car.....

[Dexter]

:eek:

WTF HAPPENED?

[Dexter]

and uhh...by the pictures, it doesn't seem you care too much... :confused:

[EVILSRT]

Vicotr....im sorry man. You better get another MSP.......we need to stick together man!! LOL....glad you are ok!!

[PaulMP3]

holy shit :eek: You dont look to mad.
That is some crazy shit

[Bijou-MP5]

I know... did you crash it purposely?

http://www.netsnapshot.com/pcw/users/14867/images/P1uLZsCoBQIAAC0fkjs_14867_744.jpg

http://www.netsnapshot.com/pcw/users/14867/images/P1uLZsCoBQIAAC0fkjs_14867_763.jpg

[2K3 MSP]

HOLY SHIT DUDE!! Are you ok?? That looks pretty bad. Hopefully everything is ok. So what exactly happened??

[Darin]

Glad you didn't kill yourself...

[Captain KRM P5]

thats pretty damn sad, man. the only orange car i know that could have survived something like that was driven by Bo and Luke Duke :) and on TV only.

what are your post mortem plans?

[Dr.Sound]

to all u that think i dont care U DONT KNOW ME!

dont make assumptions on one picture.

i DONT care about the car, i walked out of it without a scratch. what i care about is my life and my family. i dont give a fuck about a piece of metal!

i loved my car with all my heart, people who know me know that.

[boostisgood]

Jezus, DooD, Tell me this is photoshopped ? That is sick, you ok, what happened ?

[2K3 MSP]

Originally posted by Dexter
and uhh...by the pictures, it doesn't seem you care too much... :confused: .
All I can say, is you gotta keep smiling. I tried to laugh it off when I wrecked my MSP, just to keep from feeling so bad.

[MazdaDryvr]

hey i know a guy who can fix that for ya. ;)

[Dr.Sound]

oh, and by the way, that deer that walked out in front of me is OK, i was able to swerve off the side of the mountain.

[EVILSRT]

Originally posted by 2K3 Mazdaspeed
.
All I can say, is you gotta keep smiling. I tried to laugh it off when I wrecked my MSP, just to keep from feeling so bad.

I did the same thing when I wrecked my old car....I was like I dont care about it. But I was really crying inside:(

[Dexter]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
to all u that think i dont care U DONT KNOW ME!

dont make assumptions on one picture.

i DONT care about the car, i walked out of it without a scratch. wehat i care about is my life and my family. i dont give a fuck about a piece of metal!

i loved my car with all my heart, people who know me know that.

well im glad you are okay man, i was just saying. when i had a similar accident (only one flip, not 15) i also walked away 100% unharmed, but i still felt like shit for the longest time. and now its coming back to bite me hard, my insurance dropped me and i need to find some and they are all expensive now. when i had my accident i wouldnt even take pictures because i felt like total shit and i didnt even post on the board for the longest time (eventually i did). i gues we are just 2 different people but like i said man im glad you walked away unhurt and i hope everything works out in your favor

[Darin]

Can I buy the motor/tranny from you? :)

[t3ase]

Good news is that it looks like our Racing Harts are pretty damn strong. Every pic showing the side panels all screwed up also shows the RH's without a scratch. Nice!

[zenilder]

sorry to hear about the news, vic. Glad to hear and see you're in good order. :)

damn dude. that far down and flipped 15 times? I would have imagined looking a lot worse. :\

what are you planning to do man?

is insurance going to cover anything?

damn....




get some rest man.


Later on.


-Bryan

[enry]

Is it me, or the airbags didn't pop?!?!?!
Honestly that looks like a truckload of damage. The *entire* body needs ot be redone. I can only assume your wheels are done with, maybe the axles. And probably the frame is bent. :(
Bye Bye Spicy.

[boostisgood]

Dr. Sound, again Im sorry bro. Remember, like you said, you have your health and family, you can always replace a piece of metal.

[Matthew]

you need me to make a new sig for you?

j/k, glad youre ok, when did this happen?

[enry]

I'd like to see how a neon would hold up to that test.

[SpicyMSP]

vic. This is soo sad. I am about in tears looking at the pics. Not only because of the extensive body damage to that car, but because you were in it. I am so glad I met you and I am so glad to hear that you are ok.
I will see you tonight when I pick you up for life plaza, although if that was me I wouldnt want to see another msp again.

[jonnydoe48]

send me your typhoon =p

[SpicyMSP]

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Dr.Sound/Twins/1.jpg


Rip msp.. remember the good times

[krillin]

vic is invincible!

[srtchick]

wow:eek: im glad your ok... fuckin deer hate em..!

[enry]

I'm just amazed the car is still relatively intact!! And that the driver is unharmbed.

[Midnight22]

wow, dunno u but glad ur ok... part ur car out if u cant fix it so u can make some money off of it... cuz if u take it to a junkyard thats all they will do... so i rather u get the money and get a new car, and yeah... glad ur ok and damn u have a shitload of luck...

[EVILSRT]

Originally posted by RazorP5
you need me to make a new sig for you?

j/k, glad youre ok, when did this happen?


(lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol)

[krillin]

i blame the ford focus...

[SpicyMchaggis]

yea really..the front looks almost untouched! good to hear your ok man..jesus, of all places a deer could jump you..is next to a god damned ravine..sad to see your car go man!...So whats next for it? parting it our or just totaling it?

[PHRiSCo]

If your selling the motor, I need an extra one to rebuild with forged internals :D

[srtchick]

so u u junkin it or parting it out urself ?

[zenilder]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Dr.Sound/Twins/1.jpg


Rip msp.. remember the good times

Oh weird. I was listening to di.fm's vocal trance stream and noticed the lyrics "tears in my eyes.. remember to good times.." just as I was looking at that pic and then read the text under it. :(

[Dr.Sound]

vultures! :D

well it's sunday, this happened yesterday.
i'm not sure exactly what's gonna happen.........tow trucks cant bring it out cause it's sittin so deep, so they will use a helicopter in couple of weeks. there is no way for other people to know where the car is because u cant see it from the road. only i and my friends know where it is :D.

i dont think anyone will touch it.......since it's gonna sit there for at least a week.........i just dont want some fucktard pulling out a radio and speakers.

oh, and i will be writing a letter to Mazda thanking them for building such a strong car.

also, after telling the CHP officer what happened, he bought me a lottery ticket :)

[AGR]

You are so lucky. 'Glad you walked away. That's what is important. A Deer, too! Damn! I see them quite often out here where we live. I always think about that, too. ...running out in front of me. Just a few weeks ago, my wife was on her way to work, and one crossed her path just a few yards in front of her. She hasn't forgotten that. When your traveling 50+ on a 2 lane back country road, shit happens fast.

[nattyboy513]

so i guess this event will be the start of the first annual msprotege.com deer hunting retreat...

[FuriousMojo]

Now there's a guy who cares about deers! ;)

Odd, I was just watching a segment on TV today about "World's Most Dangerous Animals" and they were saying deer is the worst because of the fact that both are growing in population and humans vs. deer on the road is becoming all too common. They showed several dead deer on the side of the road from being hit along very similar tread marks from those that swerved off and hit a tree only to be killed. Gotta' watch out for them things man! They're not so innocent afterall!

[Midnight22]

well, since itz gonna sit there for a week, pull out what u can, thats easy to pull out, cuz that way a thief wont jack the easy shit and if they want the hard shit, let em, they want it pretty bad then, but hopefully they dont... in the end it makes the car lighter for the chopper to pull out, they can only haul so much, and if it rains its gonna ruin ur interior so pull what u can, and i'll say right now, i might ask for ur dash and side trim pieces around the buttons and all, lol, if u actually want to do that ;), but important thing is that ur ok, and im sure ur family is thinking the samething

[uclap5]

deyam dude, that sucks. :( glad you are ok.

[saided18]

damn i'm sorry to hear that. lets find that deer and kick his ass!! (getsome)

[SpicyMSP]

YEA DOWN WITH DEERS !! Lets kill them alL!

[TurboBoostMazda]

OMG...! It's a SAD DAY FOR US...! :( I'm glad to see that you're ok...! :) So, is the insurance company going to give you a rental...? Another Ford Focus...?

[Dr.Sound]

haha!

yeah, cant wait untill i get my focus :D

actually my very good friend works for Enterprise.......so i might get something decent (for the price of focus) :P

[Newf]

holy crap. Man thank god your ok. I would have found the damn deer and killed it, and ate it for supper.....but that's just me :)

......and who was it that said the msp wasn't a safe car??? I know who, but I'm not mentioning his name because I don't want him to get into again, but there's your proof buddy!

....oh, get an rx8 now :)

[Wiggles6983]

Sucks about the car. More importantly though, glad you are ok.

[JrTekSilverP5]

who where all these people around you...
http://www.netsnapshot.com/pcw/users/14867/images/P1uLZsCoBQIAAC0fkjs_14867_763.jpg

where they in the car too?? how EXACTLY did it happen.... DETAILS PLZ...

[Bijou-MP5]

I'm gussing that deer came along while he was driving and he made a turn and and no blockade whatsoever and fell .... :confused:

[redwagon02]

The only thing that's important is that you are not injured.

[Midnight22]

lets face it, when mazda made the car they had 2 things in mind, 1. they made the car fun to drive and 2. since they know shit like this happens they made the car safe so people can walk out of it and buy another :)

[Fëakhelek]

I've heard of crumple zones, but geez. It looks like our cars are made out of them.

[girth]

Very sorry for you and the accident. Damn deer are a major nuisance now-a-days and you never really know how you'll react until one walks out in front of you.

As I'm sure you know, after rolling 15 times you're lucky to be alive. For your next car you might want to look into an SVT focus -- they're going real cheap around here. I like MSPs better but just in case you're looking for something different........

[dmurphy10]

Happy to see that you were not injured. I have know many people who have gone for the deer and suffered for it. I would buy you a set of the deer whistles that mount to your bumper, but I beat that you would prefer a 007 Mod like twin rocket launchers behind the headlights. Next time you can smoke the deer, Mmm smoked venison.

[VegasMSP]

Sorry to see your lose your car man. :( But the important thing is you didn't get seriously injured and you could live another day to talk about it.:)

[MazdaspeedHolla]

DAMN! I am sorry bout the car man, but damn I am glad that u are aight. That is what matters, not the car. U can replace that, u can't replace u (obviously). Glad that u are okay and I hope that u get another one...holla

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by Bijou-MP5
I'm gussing that deer came along while he was driving and he made a turn and and no blockade whatsoever and fell .... :confused:

those people with me are my friends, we went down there this morning arround 7 to look for my personal things that were thrown all over the mountain side. I WAS IN THE CAR ALONE when this happened.

road turned right into a blind turn, deer was walking from right to left.............pic:

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/_handler.php/Dr.Sound/Misc/turn.jpg

[MisterT]

Holy crap dude, you are one lucky guy to be alive!!! Where those all the people in the car? Glad to see you got out with just a scratch! Call you stunt man for now on;) On a serious note, I am sorry what happened to your car, but glad to see you made it out alive!

Mikee Mike

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by dmurphy10
.........Mmm smoked venison.


(lol)

[turboge]

Nice skid marks, how fast were you going? I had the same thing happen to me minus the rolling. The cops ruled it as I was driving too fast. From those skid marks I would think 45-55mph but I cannot see the beginning of the trail.

The good thing is you're alive, the bad thing is that insurance and driving record will be going to shit. Good luck and hope you learn from this as well.

[Dr.Sound]

nahh dude, it's impossible to go that fast on those roads, there was a pretty sharp lefthand turn right before this righthand one.........i was below 25-30

[Dr.Sound]

OH, AND AS U CAN SEE THIS IS A VERY NARROW ONE-WAY ROAD

[Monstermile]

Man that must've been one helluva ride. You are one lucky guy to walk away from that. Especially w/o a scratch. Someone was watching over you. Glad you're ok.

[KyRaceFan]

Wow, sorry to hear about this!! But its great that you are ok and walked out with NOTHING wrong..... but tell us, what was going through your mind when you saw the deer and then went off the mountain, and down..... what did you do after you came to a stop.....

[Rism]

Originally posted by mazdaspeedchick
wow:eek: im glad your ok... fuckin deer hate em..!

yea FUCK THE DEER! what the hell is a deer doing out in the forest on a mountain anyway!

[MP3TLH]

Man, Sorry to hear it, glad you're alright.

I was coming down a twisty mountain road on Memorial Day and I hit some dirt. I locked up the tires and went the opposite way of you though - through some mud and into the mountain. None of us in the car knew we even hit the mountain except for the damage to the bumper. I was stuck in mud for an hour but everyone was OK. I need to post some pics. Just trying to say I know how it is and good luck.

[smithers_0990]

How in the name of God did the airbags not deploy??

Good to see your ok, even without the airbags.

[slug420]

smithers: best...........signature..............ever.

[FrigginGLI]

God dam, OFF A DAM CLIF. I would have nailed that bitch deer.

[Notorious]

Victor man,

I thank God your ok. Like everyone says the car can get replaced, but just glad u ok.


- Peter

[yashooa]

Well I hate to see ya go, "King of all animated gif's."
That's a tale for the Grand Doc's for sure.:p
Oh and nice Madien avatar RISM.
Piece of Mind.

[NegatiZE]

Glad you made it out alive....

RIP MSP. :(

[alexlitov]

Glad you are good. I wonder why people are afraid to hit the deer. I would probably would have tried to sverve too being in that situation. I wonder why people are afraid to hit the deer...

[snowman4us]

people need to hit DEER and not swerve...on of my friends lost his mom becouse she swerver around a deer and went of the side of the Mt. and died....
I whould rather kill the deer than kill myself!

[Natey]

Damn. How scary was that the moment that you knew you were gonna go over? :eek:
Sorry about your car, but it really is amazing that you came out unscathed from that. Hopefully you hang out and keep posting around here. Next time, it's venison-jerky!

"With every door that closes, another one opens up." ;)

[servoeyes]

Shit, Sound PhD...that looks like something you'd see in a movie...like you would have hit that turn straight on and just gone flying off. It's amazing that you're still alive, buddy...Good luck with getting all this sorted out. Your friends and family, and that includes all of us online folk, will be here for you (case in point is Steph!) :D

Glad you're ok (it looks like there isn't even a scratch on *you*!) Best of luck with the coming days and weeks!

[Ryan]

sorry to hear about ur msp...
but i got one question?
u gonna be possibly parting anythign that left of it? or insurance keeping it all?

[Aricjm15]

I would have hit the deer
you are lucky the car did not colapse on you or somthing

oh well your safe and thats all that matters right? right

next time you decide to go deer hunting take my car, 3100lbs of Raw iron, its the same size as the MSP too

if I see a deer in my way and I have nowhere to go, I'll be yelling "MY FENDER IS CAST IRON BITCH YOU BETTER MOVE, I GOT 2800lbs ON YOUR ASS!!!"

[Dr.Sound]

u guys, thanks a lot for the kind words, really.
Like i told Steph, this has been the best summer ever.

Buying MSP turned out to be the greatest car-owning experience i think i will ever go through. All the friends i made, all the things i learned..........thank you.........all of u.

people that know me well know that i look at life a little differently.........the first thing that passed through my mind was......what an amazing view this is........

when i told my mom what happened, she hugged me, kissed me, and said: "fuck that piece of metal" (btw, she loved my car), then took a pen and marked September 6th as my second birthday

[MSP Pro]

Victor, glad to see you are ok. Sorry about the car, but you have the right attitude...it's replaceable, you aren't.

For the others, the reason you don't hit the deer is that there's a good chance the 400 lb. deer will come through the windshield after you hit it. Remember how messed up people were when some sh*thead kids dropped bricks off an overpass onto the cars on the freeway underneath? Well, imagine a 400 lb. brick and what that would do to you.

The only proper avoidance maneuver for this is one you practice all the time, at speed, when autocrossing: offset gates. I strongly recommend people at least try an autox course to get an idea of what your car can do near the limits of adhesion, and to train yourself to control the car properly when approaching those limits. When something like this happens, it's so fast you don't have time to think. You just react. It's worth it to hone those reactions off the street at your local autox.

[Black Majik MSP]

Victor, you were the first person I talked to before I even joined this site. You've been very helpful & I hope you don't leave us now.

I can't even understand how you survived rolling 15 times & 350 feet down a cliff (especially without a scratch like you did), but I'm glad you are ok. You have the right attitude about your car: I missed out on a semester of school & a lot of other stuff because I was in the hospital, but I look at it the same way. Material stuff can always be replaced, but the fact that you are ok is what's really important.

You know, I think you should petition your local government to put a crash barrier there. From the pictures, I can't understand why there wasn't one there already & now it's clear what can happen. If it were me, I would want to make sure that no one else would ever have to go through what you did.

[Black Majik MSP]

Originally posted by enry
I'd like to see how a neon would hold up to that test.

Yeah, the next time the SRT-4 vs MSP crap comes up, I'll remember this one.

[Dr.Sound]

ha! i do have scratches.......from trying to find my GODDAMN wallet today in those bushes!!!

we went looking for my stuff scattered all over the side of the mountain.
the two most important things that we were looking for, my wallet and cell phone, we did not find!

but we found a lot of other crap that i would give up any day for my wallet. shit like Thomas Guide and a freakin Autolock that was stuck in a tree (well at least it didnt hit my head when it flew out).

fucking iodine burns!

[Black Majik MSP]

Did you try calling your cell phone?

[Dr.Sound]

^ lol.........duhh :D

no recepton whatsoever

[DevilsSi1481]

RIP MSP, i thank god that u r alive man, the car can be replaced, and u r lucky to be out alive and without anything wrong. what happened to the airbags though??

[OceanPark]

Glad that you are ok.
If it was me, I probably won’t remember what simile is after flipped 15 times.

SRT-4 time??? Hahaaa~ J/K

[DevilsSi1481]

oh i forgot to mention, we should all go hunting for deer now, mmmmmmm venison, kill those bastards!! :D :D

[Black Majik MSP]

I just watched CHiPs & the episode was about poachers hunting deer...LMAO!

[DevilsSi1481]

its an omen and not a coincidence!! :D :D :D

[Kooldino]

Man, at least you're ok. You're taking it better than I would. Can you rob a few parts off the car? :-)

[o.g.sk8er]

Victor, dude, I'm glad to here you are alright. Sorry to here about all this. If there is anything I can do please, please call me!!
Its time like this when you can really count your blessings.

The very best of luck to you my friend.


Patrick

[big_ben]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
oh, and by the way, that deer that walked out in front of me is OK, i was able to swerve off the side of the mountain.
Yeah, that's really believable. My guess by the look of you and your friends in the photos is that you are the typical young male that thinks they are a professional driver and can handle a car just as well as a rally driver.

I guess you learned that you were wrong the hard way.:rolleyes:

[1FASTMP5]

wow! i can't beleave it still.....
good luck victor! ill tell you what......if im going to roll in any car it's going to be a mazda, that car is strong as hell. victor.....man atleast you have the right attitude about it.....i could be alot worse, your walking and a little wiser from this whole ordeal. good luck!

[big_ben]

No offence by my post. I'm glad you are ok, but I don't believe you about the deer.

[MSPDAVE125]

Dude Pull the motor! And I'll pay cash!!!!

[1FASTMP5]

Originally posted by big_ben
Yeah, that's really believable. My guess by the look of you and your friends in the photos is that you are the typical young male that thinks they are a professional driver and can handle a car just as well as a rally driver.

I guess you learned that you were wrong the hard way.:rolleyes:

NO! he wasn't speeding he tryed to miss the deer that walked out in front of him...... hit some gravel and washed out over the hill. if you ''READ HIS POST'S'' he was only doing 25-30 mph..... if you dont know him don't make guesses!

[big_ben]

Originally posted by 1FASTMP5
NO! he wasn't speeding he tryed to miss the deer that walked out in front of him...... hit some gravel and washed out over the hill. if you ''READ HIS POST'S'' he was only doing 25-30 mph..... if you dont know him don't make guesses!
You are dumb. Go get in your car right now. Drive down the street at 25mph. Mash your brakes as hard as you can. Get out of the car with a handy dandy tape measurer. Measure the skid marks. They will not be any longer than 10 to 15 feet. Probably not even that much. Don't question me about physics, I will make you look very dumb.

[big_ben]

Hope this clears this up for you. These skid marks are more than 50 to 60 feet long. He was going at least 40 to 50mph. I don't care how hard you swerve a MP3 or MSP at "20 to 25mph", you WILL NOT lose control like that. I owned an MP3 and trust me, it would not lose control at that slow of a speed.

****edit****Photo removed per request****edit****-Ben

Open your eyes moron. think like an investigator for a second. Look at the road, look at the back ground scenery. You can see how curvy the road is and in the background you can even see how the road ahead makes a sharp turn around another corner. He was trying to be a rally car driver. He wasn't as good as he thought. And he and his car paid for it. Hopefully he learned a lesson. And thankfully there wasn't another lane where another driver could have been.

[MSPDAVE125]

Is the motor up for grabs?

Complete?

[o.g.sk8er]

Originally posted by big_ben
Hope this clears this up for you. These skid marks are more than 50 to 60 feet long. He was going at least 40 to 50mph. I don't care how hard you swerve a MP3 or MSP at "20 to 25mph", you WILL NOT lose control like that. I owned an MP3 and trust me, it would not lose control at that slow of a speed.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/big_ben/p1ulzscobqiaac0fkjs_14867_725.jpg
Open your eyes moron. think like an investigator for a second. Look at the road, look at the back ground scenery. You can see how curvy the road is and in the background you can even see how the road ahead makes a sharp turn around another corner. He was trying to be a rally car driver. He wasn't as good as he thought. And he and his car paid for it. Hopefully he learned a lesson. And thankfully there wasn't another lane where another driver could have been.


Anywayz....:rolleyes:

[1FASTMP5]

Originally posted by big_ben
You are dumb. Go get in your car right now. Drive down the street at 25mph. Mash your brakes as hard as you can. Get out of the car with a handy dandy tape measurer. Measure the skid marks. They will not be any longer than 10 to 15 feet. Probably not even that much. Don't question me about physics, I will make you look very dumb.

you know what! im not going to turn this post into a flame ....YOU WERENT THERE.... SO HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE SKID MARK'S ARE???? by pic's?? ya, i said nothing about physics buddy. please you think your above me? right!
you can call me dumb all you want, but atleast im not making the dumb ass post calling someone a lair.

[big_ben]

Originally posted by 1FASTMP5
you know what! im not going to turn this post into a flame ....YOU WERENT THERE.... SO HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE SKID MARK'S ARE???? buy(I think you meant by) pic's?? ya, i said nothing about physics buddy. please you think your above me? right!
you can call me domb all you want, but atleast im not making the dumb ass post calling someone a lair.

I don't have to try to make you look dumb with spelling like that.

[big_ben]

Originally posted by 1FASTMP5
you know what! im not going to turn this post into a flame ....YOU WERENT THERE.... SO HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE SKID MARK'S ARE???? buy pic's?? ya, i said nothing about physics buddy. please you think your above me? right!
you can call me domb all you want, but atleast im not making the dumb ass post calling someone a lair.

Besides, crime scene investigators aren't at the scene while a crime is happening. Should a jury declare the offender innocent just because the investigator that solved the crime wasn't there when it happened? Try not to be so stupid. You are making it too easy for me to make you look dumb.

[1FASTMP5]

Originally posted by big_ben
I don't have to try to make you look dumb with spelling like that.

come on man..... everyone does it. it called typing really fast.

[clownphish]

Dr. Sound: What an unbelievable fall! My first thought when I saw your pics was how little damage was on the MSP (course that was just the front). I'm glad I got that pic of your car w/Spicy's a couple weeks ago! You were definitely being watched over that day. I am glad to see that you are safe. That is a mind boggling fall and for you and the car to be in such good shape is nothing short of a miracle. Take care. :D

[big_ben]

I hate to look stupid by misspelling a bunch of words. If yo look at 80% of my posts, they have been edited because I go back to make corrections so I won't look dumb. I'm just telling you what I am observing here.

I see skid marks that are a minimum of 50 feet long. I see a guy that looks like he is about 6' tall. Use his height to approximate the length of skid marks. I see in the foreground a one lane road with a sharp right turn. I see the way the road hugs the mountain in the background. I see other photos of a young guy with his young friends making "peace" signs like this is all cool and it's not a big deal.

What does all this spell out to me? What the hell do you think. Use your brain.

[1FASTMP5]

Originally posted by big_ben
I hate to look stupid by misspelling a bunch of words. If yo look at 80% of my posts, they have been edited because I go back to make corrections so I won't look dumb. I'm just telling you what I am observing here.

I see skid marks that are a minimum of 50 feet long. I see a guy that looks like he is about 6' tall. Use his height to approximate the length of skid marks. I see in the foreground a one lane road with a sharp right turn. I see the way the road hugs the mountain in the background. I see other photos of a young guy with his young friends making "peace" signs like this is all cool and it's not a big deal.

What does all this spell out to me? What the hell do you think. Use your brain.

it say's that he's glad to be walking......and still here. use your brain you dont know him so don't take guess's at what someone means. one more thing... gramer can be improved......but a SHITTY ASS ATTITUDE CAN'T BE IMPROVED. GROW UP!

[big_ben]

Originally posted by 1FASTMP5
it say's that he's glad to be walking......and still here. use your brain you dont know him so don't take guess's at what someone means. one more thing... gramer can be improved......but a SHITTY ASS ATTITUDE CAN'T BE IMPROVED. GROW UP!

Ok, I'll stop playing with you now since you are getting upset over this.;)

[servoeyes]

Ok...I don't want to sound one sided here, but...

Those marks are around 45'. I would not put them over 15 yards. They are also, not from braking...they are from the tires folding and him still plowing forward. Otherwise there would have been ABS type marks...spotty, you know? Had he hit the gas, he may have made the turn. However, for him to have to have been turning and cause a skid mark that long, he knew the turn was there...otherwise you'd see a shorter mark, and probably a lower rate of survival. Something must have obstructed him, but he was probably going more like 30-35 (40 tops) for it to drag that far on a scrubbed turn. That's my best guess.

And Ben...your older posts were helpful, but lately you're just a real bitch. A dose of reality is always appreciated, but perhaps the word TACT is missing in that magical spell checker of yours. Please look it up at dictionary.com, and use it more frequently.

[big_ben]

Originally posted by servoeyes
...they are from the tires folding and him still plowing forward.

My thoughts exactly.


Originally posted by servoeyes
A dose of reality is always appreciated, but perhaps the word TACT is missing in that magical spell checker of yours. Please look it up at dictionary.com, and use it more frequently.

I don't have any tact. I am very blunt and I say what I am thinking. Yeah it offends some people that are soft, but I really don't care either. People that know me personally know that most of the time I am kidding and that I have a sarcastic type of personallity. But personalities don't convey over the internet.:p

[1FASTMP5]

Originally posted by big_ben
Ok, I'll stop playing with you now since you are getting upset over this.;)

LOL!

[clownphish]

Originally posted by big_ben
I hate to look stupid by misspelling a bunch of words. If yo look at 80% of my posts, they have been edited because I go back to make corrections so I won't look dumb.

We all misspell and have typos (especially, it seems, when correcting ourselves). Everybody does it. It's no big deal and I don't think it should, to an extent, be used as a gauge of someone's intelligence. Especially if you don't know that person personally.

Also, when YOU flip 15x down 350 feet into a ravine and live to tell about it I HOPE someone shows you sympathy. Because you certainly don't for anyone else. Otherwise leave it alone and for pete's sake stop flaming left and right. It's getting trite.

[EviLMaN]

damn man glad ur okay

[Dr.Sound]

thanks ben

[girth]

Hey Victor, just curious, did you replace your horribly cracked winshield before this accident? If not then look on the bright side -- you just saved $250 cuz now you need a lot more than just a windshield!:p

[Dr.Sound]

lol, nope i didnt

i was going to on monday.....

[razorblade kiss]

I hate to look stupid by misspelling a bunch of words. If yo look at 80% of my posts, they have been edited because I go back to make corrections so I won't look dumb. I'm just telling you what I am observing here.

I see skid marks that are a minimum of 50 feet long. I see a guy that looks like he is about 6' tall. Use his height to approximate the length of skid marks. I see in the foreground a one lane road with a sharp right turn. I see the way the road hugs the mountain in the background. I see other photos of a young guy with his young friends making "peace" signs like this is all cool and it's not a big deal.

What does all this spell out to me? What the hell do you think. Use your brain.

Im with Big Ben on this one. They were racing. Tried to push the car too hard. Lost it. Rear wheel drive might have been different, but the MSP is FWD. And when you try to gas it through the corner too fast. The car follows where the nose is pointing. Off the side of the ledge. Perhaps to embarrased to admit he totalled his car while trying to be an amatuer race car driver? Who knows. But a Deer? Why not a moose, or a snake, or squirrel??? pffff I woulda tagged any deer on that road, considering there are no guard rails. My 2. cents. Peace

[MSPDAVE125]

Dr. Sound:

What about the MOTOR? TRANNY, ECU?, OTHER GOODIES?

If it is a write off, buy it back and sell me stuff.

[Monstermile]

Originally posted by razorblade kiss
I woulda tagged any deer on that road, considering there are no guard rails. My 2. cents. Peace

Yeah I think I would've opted to take my chances with the deer than that hill. But you can say what you "would" do all you want until you are in that situation. Sometimes gut reactions take over common sense.

[razorblade kiss]

Sometimes gut reactions take over common sense.

True, but before any gut reaction comes instinct. LIFE OR DEATH? Hmmmm? :D I like my life. I won't let even the deepest burning sensation in my gut tell me to swerve around a deer, and launch off the side of a damn mountain. Hit it, and pay for the damage, and hope it dies so it doesnt have to suffer. If it doesnt die, run it over again. I've seen people leave wounded animals in the road. Thats disgusting. Hence the saying "Put it out of it's misery". But you are correct about the gut thing somewhat. An animal pops out, sometimes you just DONT wanna hit it. But I still say he was driving like a tough guy. And rolled it 15 times? That sounds a bit much. 15 times and youd be a vegtable. Unless it rolled all 15 times in the air. lol. ROLLERCOASTER WAAAH-HOOOO! :D Oh and aside from all my beliefs on this whole subject. I'm glad your alive and breathing. The miracle that allows a body to function, live and learn, is far more amazing than the engineering that allows an engine to run. Adios

[Ryan]

Originally posted by big_ben
Hope this clears this up for you. These skid marks are more than 50 to 60 feet long. He was going at least 40 to 50mph. I don't care how hard you swerve a MP3 or MSP at "20 to 25mph", you WILL NOT lose control like that. I owned an MP3 and trust me, it would not lose control at that slow of a speed.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/big_ben/p1ulzscobqiaac0fkjs_14867_725.jpg
Open your eyes moron. think like an investigator for a second. Look at the road, look at the back ground scenery. You can see how curvy the road is and in the background you can even see how the road ahead makes a sharp turn around another corner. He was trying to be a rally car driver. He wasn't as good as he thought. And he and his car paid for it. Hopefully he learned a lesson. And thankfully there wasn't another lane where another driver could have been.

wake up moron he swerved to keep form hitting a deer....

[122 Vega]

Who counts when the car is rolling? I have been over in a car, but I sure as hell wasn't counting. Watch WRC sometime, rolls happen so fast you won't be counting. Maybe it did go fifteen times, maybe it's a slight embellishment.

I agree that the skid marks look like plowing, they certainly do not look like braking. And it's obvious understeer, otherwise the tire marks would get closer together as they progressed. These do not appear to be doing that. I think it is hard on the brakes, steering full to the right, and car going forward. Anyone hear of the traction circle, or tire adhesion circle? Tires cannot be doing 100% of two things at once. Accelerating probably would not have saved this, but a lift off the brakes and a little less turn in might have. I agree with Morris that autocross or a few track days/schools can prepare you to react better when this kind of thing happens. After all, a "deer" is only a moving cone right?

When I was in school, my buddies and I hit a deer at about 40 mph. Fucked up the car but the deer got up and ran away. I think I would have hit the deer and taken my chances with the airbags.

If you believe that a deer was there.

Britt

[razorblade kiss]

wake up moron he swerved to keep form hitting a deer....

zahahahaha :D

[122 Vega]

p.s. by the looks of the skids, he had an ealry turn in with an early apex, this is characteristic of entering a turn too quickly and trying to scrub off speed. Had he had a later turn in and a later apex he likely would have been able to see said deer and avoid it or stop.

IMO of course, I wasn't there.

Britt

[Ryan]

but then agian if he had hit the deer think about it, the deer could have sent him airborn depending were and how he hit it, he coudl of flown up 20 feet then slammd down and then possiblity of the car blowing up kapow... ... everyone says hit hte deer but with a turn like that i would have probablly done the same thing.

[122 Vega]

It's a Mazdaspeed Pinto now? Oh wait, it's a Hollywood edition because of the location right?

Britt

[zenilder]

Originally posted by big_ben
I don't have to try to make you look dumb with spelling like that.

Whoa. Instead of retorting his remarks, you lower yourself to criticizing his grammatical errors because you have nothing better to say? Dude. This is the internet. Go fuck yourself. Stop posting on the thread if you don't fucking like it. You shouldn't have even posted the first one and just let it be! Revel in it, jackass!

Do you see others crying foul?! No! You see his friends and other people saying they're glad he's ok.

Dude. If it were a bunch of us standing around talking about this and looking at pictures of the scene, and you came in saying, "Look! Those skid marks are too long. He was trying to do a bit of rally driving! He learned the hard way! ...I'm glad he's okay, though." I'd prolly beat your silly ass.

Haven't you heard of the saying, "If you don't have anything good to say--don't say anything"?
I'll be the hypocrite by saying shit to you because it needs to be said! You didn't need to come in here blasting anyone.

WTF is wrong with you? Are you mental? Get out of here!

GET!*@&^%$@!^%#$ OUT!$^!@%&*%^@#$ OF!@#^%@#$&@#$ HERE!@%$@#!#^@$!@*&%$%@!#^%@!$#^%@!$#^%$@!#$

*ahem* Yeah. Anyway.

[SpicyMSP]

I feel kinda upset about this thread.
Vic posts that he totaled his car, and that it is still in the canyon. And people are swarming him like vultures for parts and questioning his story. That does not seem right to me. Even if he isnt dead on with his story or if he is way off , who the hell cares? Think about when you were in your last accident.... It all happens so fast. Im sure it is hard to remember details , when all that is going through your mind is "I'm going to die." Who cares how many times it rolled, or what was in the road, Or even how long the skid marks were because of how fast he was going. Point is, his MSP is in the canyon, It is gone, the damage is done. I am so glad that this is just a RIP MSP thread, opposed to a RIP Dr Sound thread.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
I feel kinda upset abuot this thread. Vic posts that he totaled his car, and that it is still in the canyon. And people are swarming him like vultures for parts and questioning his story. That does not seem right to me. Even if he isnt dead on with his story or if he is way off , who the hell cares? Think about when you were in your last accident.... It all happens so fast. Im sure it is hard to remember details , when all that is going through your mind is "I'm going to die." Who cares how many times it rolled, or what was in the road, Or even how long the skid marks were because of how fast he was going. Point is, his MSP is in the canyon, It is gone, the damage is done. I am so glad that this is just a RIP MSP thread, opposed to a RIP Dr Sound thread.

im simply asked if he was gonna part anythign out becuz there is something i need to replace... and i said i was sorry it happened...

[1FASTMP5]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
I feel kinda upset abuot this thread. Vic posts that he totaled his car, and that it is still in the canyon. And people are swarming him like vultures for parts and questioning his story. That does not seem right to me. Even if he isnt dead on with his story or if he is way off , who the hell cares? Think about when you were in your last accident.... It all happens so fast. Im sure it is hard to remember details , when all that is going through your mind is "I'm going to die." Who cares how many times it rolled, or what was in the road, Or even how long the skid marks were because of how fast he was going. Point is, his MSP is in the canyon, It is gone, the damage is done. I am so glad that this is just a RIP MSP thread, opposed to a RIP Dr Sound thread.

very well said! some people never grow up!

[Monstermile]

Originally posted by razorblade kiss
True, but before any gut reaction comes instinct. LIFE OR DEATH? Hmmmm? :D I like my life. I won't let even the deepest burning sensation in my gut tell me to swerve around a deer, and launch off the side of a damn mountain. Hit it, and pay for the damage, and hope it dies so it doesnt have to suffer. If it doesnt die, run it over again. I've seen people leave wounded animals in the road. Thats disgusting. Hence the saying "Put it out of it's misery". But you are correct about the gut thing somewhat. An animal pops out, sometimes you just DONT wanna hit it. But I still say he was driving like a tough guy. And rolled it 15 times? That sounds a bit much. 15 times and youd be a vegtable. Unless it rolled all 15 times in the air. lol. ROLLERCOASTER WAAAH-HOOOO! :D Oh and aside from all my beliefs on this whole subject. I'm glad your alive and breathing. The miracle that allows a body to function, live and learn, is far more amazing than the engineering that allows an engine to run. Adios


Like I said you can say what you would do all you want but until you are in the situation you honestly can't. Sometimes things happen so quick that you react before you have time to think about the consequences.

Animal jumps out in front of you. Gut reaction is to swerve. Ooops I am driving on the edge of a ravine with no guardrail. Shit too late. I caught the dirt and down I go. Too much can happen too quick to be able to make a rational decision. Or any decision for that matter. You can try to rationalize all you want what you could have or should have done after it is over. But while it is happening sometimes there is no time for thinking. He could have been playing with the radio. Might have been in deep thought. Might have blinked. Anything that could have not made him see the deer until he was right there.

I'm not gonna try to analyze the whole situation or the variables because I wasn't the one in the drivers seat. But I have been in situations where everything happens too quick to even realize what is going on until it has already happened.

[SpicyMSP]

Originally posted by Ryan
im simply asked if he was gonna part anythign out becuz there is something i need to replace... and i said i was sorry it happened...

no no no , I am not referring to you specifically . Thats just the overall impression I got, when I read through this thread after not since yesterday. It just seems to me, some people are so insensitive about this. But maybe they dont know Vic as well as I do.

[Ryan]

no im totally bummed about it... i'd prolly through myself off the cliff if i did something like that, thats how much i love my car...
i dont care to know the physics of wtf happend why ponder and shit WHO GIVES A SHIT it already happened and whatever you say and analyze isn't gonna be exact the only person that knows exactly what happened is vic.. if he wants to say he was doing donuts next to the edge and fell off then he can say or do wahtever he wants.. point is the car is still totalled...

vic, you said u were looking at the focus? are you talkign about the new euro focus? the one thats supposed to be comming over pretty soon? isn't it awd?

[girth]

Originally posted by SpicyMSP
no no no , I am not referring to you specifically . Thats just the overall impression I got, when I read through this thread after not since yesterday. It just seems to me, some people are so insensitive about this. But maybe they dont know Vic as well as I do.

That's the same impression I got too. It seemed like every other post was "hey, sell me your parts." I think enough people made it clear they'd be interested in the parts if he wants to sell them, so there's no need for anybody else to express interest in the parts. If Vic wants to part it out and sell them, I'm sure he'll let us know.

[Notorious]

I can't believe people are doubting vic here. Especially his story adds up. I bet if threw a deer in front of you, you are gonna swerve to avoid it, its natural instinct.

[FC3s Boy]

At least your alright, now time for a new project.

[MisterT]

Originally posted by MSPDAVE125
Is the motor up for grabs?

Complete?

Dude, give it a rest! A guy nearly dies and you are like, wow, glad you are still alive. How much do you want to part out your car? I mean it's all about you. Have you even read about the posts!! The guy flipped 15 times and is completely disoriented by the whole event and provides pics about his near death experience and all you think of is, how much can I get for your tranny? WTF?!:wtf: I agree with girth

[AGR]

This thread has gotten about as popular as the Jennifer Love Hewitt / Salma Hayek thread. I'm not sure I'm too fond of that.

[1FASTMP5]

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[122 Vega]

A guy nearly dies and you are like, wow, glad you are still alive.

As a nurse who works in the ER and the ICU and having worked at a Trauma Center for four years as a Paramedic and two years as a flight medic, this language might be a tad extreme. I don't doubt or decrease the impact of his experience, but it is hardly "near" death.

How about "could have died." Because he could have, but didn't and wasn't near death.

Seems trite I'm sure, but there is a huge psychological difference between walking away from a big wreck and spending weeks intubated in the Unit and months and months of therapy and rehab to over come injuries and having your family fear your impending death, having to learn to walk, speak, eat, etc...

I personally am glad to see you walk away from it, it certainly could have been way worse.

Britt

[apocman]

When I go to the website, it states "has no images yet" ? Man, I would like to see the pictures everybody is talking about ...

[DevilsSi1481]

wow just wow!! it went from a good thread to bad thread very quickly. i think the main thing people have to remember no matter what really happened is that he is still alive and survived without anything happening to him. thats all.

[servoeyes]

Has anyone else wondered why else he would have taken that turn so wide? Look at the picture. It's at most a 25 mph posted limit turn. It's practically a hard ninety with a cliff as the left side shoulder. Vic's also made it seem as though he's been down this road before. So I assume that he was taking the turn tight to make it little quicker. Then !boom!...deer...and he swerves to the left throwing the apex completely out, and trying to turn hard back to the right while braking. Now...I don't expect him to have accelerated w/o taking his foot off the brake. I also know from experience that if you drop the hammer in 2nd going 20-30mph the torque steer WILL pull you around that turn. This is my view...I have to believe what he told me and then back it up with science, because he has never given me any reason to question his honesty before.

Maybe you should submit those pics to mazda as crash worthiness tests, Vic! :D Might fetch you enough coin to buy a carbon fiber wallet! Good luck recovering from the loss, bud...and make sure to thank whoever up there that was watching you.

[got_rice64]

mayn VIC.....too crazy...my bro just got in a pretty bad car accident today....i wsa GLAD to c u yesterday though..glad to c u up and about too....jus take care....c u at D&B this sunday...

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by servoeyes
Has anyone else wondered why else he would have taken that turn so wide? Look at the picture. It's at most a 25 mph posted limit turn. It's practically a hard ninety with a cliff as the left side shoulder. Vic's also made it seem as though he's been down this road before. So I assume that he was taking the turn tight to make it little quicker. Then !boom!...deer...and he swerves to the left throwing the apex completely out, and trying to turn hard back to the right while braking. Now...I don't expect him to have accelerated w/o taking his foot off the brake. I also know from experience that if you drop the hammer in 2nd going 20-30mph the torque steer WILL pull you around that turn. This is my view...I have to believe what he told me and then back it up with science, because he has never given me any reason to question his honesty before.

Maybe you should submit those pics to mazda as crash worthiness tests, Vic! :D Might fetch you enough coin to buy a carbon fiber wallet! Good luck recovering from the loss, bud...and make sure to thank whoever up there that was watching you.

actually this was my very first time on this road.......i've heard pretty crazy stories about it (1 1/2 months ago an M3 flew down 150 feet just a few miles from where i was).

my tire markings went right over letters in the asfalt marked with spray paint "CHP 3/02" i asked the police officer what they were and he said that there was an accident there last year,
when i went down to my car, about 10 feet from where it landed there was a license plate with a rock over it (someone died here 2 years ago)........while i was looking for my wallet i found a rusted half way decayed motorcycle (seemed like it's been there for a long time). my car actually hit it and made it stand out from the ground.

[FC3s Boy]

Dr. sound the pics were'nt working for me either

[Midnight22]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
actually this was my very first time on this road.......i've heard pretty crazy stories about it (1 1/2 months ago an M3 flew down 150 feet just a few miles from where i was).

my tire markings went right over letters in the asfalt marked with spray paint "CHP 3/02" i asked the police officer what they were and he said that there was an accident there last year,
when i went down to my car, about 10 feet from where it landed there was a license plate with a rock over it (someone died here 2 years ago)........while i was looking for my wallet i found a rusted half way decayed motorcycle (seemed like it's been there for a long time). my car actually hit it and made it stand out from the ground.

holy shit dude, sounds like these roads r a bad thing to anyone who drives a car... u r very lucky indeed

[Dr.Sound]

oh and ben, there is a thing called perspective.....things look smaller the farther they are.

in the pic i'm standing where the skidmark starts.
when i lied down on my back........the skid was about 3 times as long as i am high......i'm 5'10.

not 60 feet...

i almost came to a stop, and i was sure that i will stop in gravel.......but then i felt the car rub the ground with its belly........and it just tipped over and started rolling........i think i was at 5 mph when it tipped over

[EviLMaN]

allot of people say wat they would of done but if u put them were Dr.sounds was they prob would of done the same. just like people say they wanted to go to Iraq and kill them but when u put them there they willl choke Im glad to see u alive man and i feel bad for ya but ur right Dr..sound it is just a metal it can always be replaced

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by FC3s Boy
At least your alright, now time for a new project.

i was actually thinking an '88 FC :D

[krillin]

how bout a ford focus? i hear they're hella fast.

:O

[smithers_0990]

I dont want to be the one that beats the dead horse but from the picture you can clearly see that the gravel/dirt just before he went off is pushed down like something went through it slowly.

I believe every word that Dr. Sound said. An accident like that can make you forget weather you want to or not.

thats my $.02

ohh...
smithers: best...........signature..............ever.

Whats wrong with a beginers 5 min photoshop?:'( I *sob* was in a *sob* hurry...

[MSPDAVE125]

Originally posted by MisterT
Dude, give it a rest! A guy nearly dies and you are like, wow, glad you are still alive. How much do you want to part out your car? I mean it's all about you. Have you even read about the posts!! The guy flipped 15 times and is completely disoriented by the whole event and provides pics about his near death experience and all you think of is, how much can I get for your tranny? WTF?!:wtf: I agree with girth

Of course I feel for the guy! Bad accidents are not cool. Key on the word accident. Shit happens. And theres no better way to put it behind him than to sell the motor and tranny and ECU. Get what you can out of it and be done with it. Your loss could totally be someone else's gain. Yes I sound a bit selfish here (not intentional), but MSP parts are hard to come by. Don't let them go to waste in the crusher. Givem' back to their family.

Now, another thing. Mister T. Let's say you own a race team. Your driver flips your #1 car and it's a write off. He gets out of the car and stands on it and gives you a thumbs up! Your reaction is :


1. He's okay

2. Oh my god the car is fucked and how much is it going to fix it?

My guess is you think about the money first. (Majority of the world would think of the money first)

Scary isn't it?

Bottom Line ......................Dr. Sound is still Safe and Sound (HAH!)


Time to get on with his life.

[II-Savy]

Dr - What the hell is an '88 FC?

[II-Savy]

Also guys your missing a point, it's possible if it was a big enough deer it could have gone through the windshield and hit the DR.!!!!! He may well have been way better off NOT hitting the deer. You can't 2nd guess situations like this.

[mazdadan]

Originally posted by II-Savy
Dr - What the hell is an '88 FC?

FC stands for FC3S. It is a 2nd gen Mazda RX7.

[murph1379]

I once took out a deer's head with the side view mirror on my civic at about 90mph. Sheared the mirror clean off my car, and sent the deer on a full 360 spin. My god I'm glad I didn't hit him full on!

[MSPDAVE125]

I watched a Mack truck hit a bull moose. Not much left of the truck after that!

[II-Savy]

Trying yo keep on topic......those RX-7 were sweet. I liked the one with the hood scoop and twin exhaust....I think they made a convert. too.

[tonkabui]

ummm... if those skid marks are 50-60 feet long, can we safely assume that the gentleman walking in the background is about 12 feet tall? give me a fucking break. open YOUR eyes you condescending little turd. being the physics buff you are, you should have realized the scale of the photo before you posted your blabber. aren't you supposed to be well versed in the physics of optics? being a photographer, i know damn well that the line is not 50-60 feet long, especially with someone who is, as you say, about 6 feet tall in the back. the lens used to take this photo was probably about 35mm. if the gentleman in the back was 60feet away, there's no way in hell he would have been that big when the magnification for a 35mm lens is .7x life size. that means the farther they are away, the smaller and smaller they get, but at a rate .7x faster than with a normal 50mm lens.

and who the hell made you crime scene investigator with no knowledge of the angles of the photos and what kind of camera equipment was used? notice all crime scene investigators use a 50mm lens when they want to properly scale something, then wider and longer focal lengths as needed to show either environment or detail.



Originally posted by big_ben
Hope this clears this up for you. These skid marks are more than 50 to 60 feet long. He was going at least 40 to 50mph. I don't care how hard you swerve a MP3 or MSP at "20 to 25mph", you WILL NOT lose control like that. I owned an MP3 and trust me, it would not lose control at that slow of a speed.


Open your eyes moron. think like an investigator for a second. Look at the road, look at the back ground scenery. You can see how curvy the road is and in the background you can even see how the road ahead makes a sharp turn around another corner. He was trying to be a rally car driver. He wasn't as good as he thought. And he and his car paid for it. Hopefully he learned a lesson. And thankfully there wasn't another lane where another driver could have been.

[charles]

Thanks tonka, I know Vic is a great guy

here is big_Ben:
http://members.cox.net/protegefun/assclown.jpg

[clownphish]

I have a deer story! Back in the day, when I had no ride, I was riding the the bus down Rt. 355 in Gaithersburg. Well, all of a sudden the bus driver hits the brakes hard and we hear this *whump*. We had just head-on'd a deer at 45mph, its head was outlined in the glass - big concave depression in the window. The damn thing *got up* and ran into the woods!!! I'm sure it died shortly after, but it still got up and ran away! 45mph BUS + deer you would think we'd be havin' some venison. It's a good think Dr. Sound didn't take the chance of hitting it, you never know what could have happened. The variables and possibilities are infinite.

[servoeyes]

If only we could "slide" into other dimensions to find out what might have happened!! :D Sorry...I'm on a nerd-o kick today! Everyone has run out of "Glad to hear you're alive" and "Holy SHIT" comments, so this thread might degenerate into one of those off-topic fests...like that group buy for the thing... :D

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by MSPDAVE125

Bottom Line ......................Dr. Sound is still Safe and Sound (HAH!)


:D good one!

[zenilder]

Originally posted by II-Savy
Also guys your missing a point, it's possible if it was a big enough deer it could have gone through the windshield and hit the DR.!!!!! He may well have been way better off NOT hitting the deer. You can't 2nd guess situations like this.

Actually, at about 20-to-25mph, the deer would have simply toppled over onto the hood and maybe even roll up on to the window and break it (without fully going into the passenger compartment). Drive along at 20 and keep it at 20, and then imagine that things are infront of you and you run into them. If you're going 20, apply the brakes (not slam on them) and still hit the deer, it won't go in. It'll prolly damage a lot of shit, but I don't see it going in.

Hey Vic! Next time, hit the fucker! Or at least swerve a little so that you knock it in the ass or head and make it spin a few times! MAHAHAHHAHA!#@!$

*ahem* oh. sorry. I really don't condone the killing or mutalation of animals, but, quite frankly, if it's me or it, *evil, deep voice* it's going to fucking be it! AHAHAHAHAHAH! MAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh. Yeah. Right. Sorry again.


:D

[clownphish]

Originally posted by zenilder
Actually, at about 20-to-25mph, the deer would have simply toppled over onto the hood and maybe even roll up on to the window and break it (without fully going into the passenger compartment). Drive along at 20 and keep it at 20, and then imagine that things are infront of you and you run into them. If you're going 20, apply the brakes (not slam on them) and still hit the deer, it won't go in. It'll prolly damage a lot of shit, but I don't see it going in.

Hey Vic! Next time, hit the fucker! Or at least swerve a little so that you knock it in the ass or head and make it spin a few times! MAHAHAHHAHA!#@!$

*ahem* oh. sorry. I really don't condone the killing or mutalation of animals, but, quite frankly, if it's me or it, *evil, deep voice* it's going to fucking be it! AHAHAHAHAHAH! MAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh. Yeah. Right. Sorry again.


:D

LOL! :D

[o.g.sk8er]

Not trying to jack this thread, but, clownphish, your avatar brings a tear to my eye.

[1FASTMP5]

Originally posted by o.g.sk8er
Not trying to jack this thread, but, clownphish, your avatar brings a tear to my eye.

why?????

[o.g.sk8er]

Originally posted by 1FASTMP5
why?????

It brings me, and I'm sure alot of others, back to the dreaded day of Sept 11 2001.
Seeing those majestic buildings colapse with all those people who passed away is almost too much for me to take.

[servoeyes]

Originally posted by o.g.sk8er
It brings me, and I'm sure alot of others, back to the dreaded day of Sept 11 2001.
Seeing those majestic buildings colapse with all those people who passed away is almost too much for me to take.

(werd)
How do you think it feels for us east coasters? Especially those in NYC...

[charles]

Originally posted by o.g.sk8er
It brings me, and I'm sure alot of others, back to the dreaded day of Sept 11 2001.
Seeing those majestic buildings colapse with all those people who passed away is almost too much for me to take. :(

[o.g.sk8er]

Originally posted by servoeyes
(werd)
How do you think it feels for us east coasters? Especially those in NYC...

nothing but respect for our fellow east coasters..

much respect...

[MSPDAVE125]

We feel yah here in Canada too Big Brother!

[clownphish]

I am VERY fortunate not to have lost anyone personally in the tragedy of 9/11 but it still hurts me deeply. :( I just wanted to observe the anniversary in some way this week. :)

[servoeyes]

Thank you, phishy. It's much appreciated. I didn't lose anyone either, thank God. However, I did lose about a week in time and gained a crap load of mental stress. It's hard being an Aerospace engineer and watching that...strange, I know...but...It just blew me away.

Anywho...what was the topic again. Oh, yeah...another person almost died, but some kooky engineers apparently design the MSP to survive a rolls down a 300-some-odd-ft ravine. That beauty in engineering also brings a tear to my eye.

[kwiktsi]

I don't see any pics :(.
Joe

[bruce95fmla]

Originally posted by kwiktsi
I don't see any pics :(.
Joe
me either

[projectzoom]

i cant see them either but from what everyone is saying it must have been bad...

[Fëakhelek]

Originally posted by kwiktsi
I don't see any pics :(.
Joe

He has them in his signature now. Look on page one of this thread.

[RdHzrd_224]

The pictures are gone??

[Dr.Sound]

ok ok, here is the link again:

http://netsnapshot.com/pcw/b?KEY=15&ACCOUNT=14867

[Heathen23]

Glad you okay Dr.

You are very lucky to be alive and I'm glad to see you have your priorities in order.

Big Ben is an ass.

[charles]

Originally posted by Dr.Sound
ok ok, here is the link again:

http://netsnapshot.com/pcw/b?KEY=15&ACCOUNT=14867

Oh man. That deer owes you a new car.
:(
Maybe you should put a green tarp over the car, you never know what people are capable of...

[Maestrokneer]

This thread has long since deteriorated from its original intent but I'll try and add my condolences as well.

I always thought you had the best looking MSP Dr. Sound, and while it will be sorely missed, just glad to see you made it out alive and with a healthy perspective on the situation.

Speaking of perspective, can we put an end to all the bullshit talk about physics, skidmarks, and camera angles and just wish the guy well?

Now....about those Racing Harts......... :D

[03mazspeedproto]

can we do pick a part? :D

[MSPDAVE125]

Originally posted by 03mazspeedproto
can we do pick a part? :D

Dood! Don't go there.... You'll get mobbed! J/K!!

[MazdaProbeGT]

Glad you are ok... but next time, hit the deer. It's just not worth it man.

[zenilder]

Originally posted by MazdaProbeGT
Glad you are ok... but next time, hit the deer. It's just not worth it man.

Dude. I can't go to that link for your bike unless I sign up on that forum. :\

Kinda sucks.

EDIT: my reg was finally okayed. nice bike dude.

[Tinkerbelle]

Well, apparently I'm a few days late (and always a few dollars short) but wanted to send my condolences. I'm probably the 50th person to say this (I'll admit I didn't read EVERY post in this thread... it kind of turned into other discussions there for a little bit) but I just wanted to say I'm super-glad you were able to walk away.

Sorry to see your poor car all bent up, but it's clear you loved her and have had some fun. It also looks like she saved your life. I love that the highway patrolman bought you a lottery ticket!!

Our housesitter hit a deer in our 1996 Mazda Protege at the end of July, which was what led us to buying our new baby MSP. :D Interestingly, our airbag didn't go off either, but then I think airbags are triggered by an impact to the front bumper, which we (and from the looks of it, you) didn't actually have.

Who knows where you go from here? Another car, another make or model? Regardless, enjoy life. And always "enjoy the view".

[Dr.Sound]

:D thanks tink

should'ev used some of your pixie dust.........
...............hey, it worked for Wendy, John, and Michael :)

[nocar]

when i crashed my mp3 my racing hart rim split in half and bent completley sideways and all the tires came off the rims and a telephone pole went through my driver side rear door,i got droped by my insurance too and yea .. picking up a first gen rx7 for now then buying a protege es 2.0l keeping it off the road and making it a project car .. ill let you all know how that goes-btw bookmarked the pics to your car i gotta show my friends lol

[INGREXCO]

i am glad to know that u walked out of it like a scratch. its amazing how u put so much into the car and after u wreck it like that how much you relize that its nothing to you compared to your life

[zcast]

I've driven (fallen!) down a ravine before (no flips and maybe 1/3 as deep as yours!), but if I were to survive without a scratch something like your ordeal, I would probably take a couple "I'm the luckiest man alive!" pics too!! :cool: I send my best and hope all is well soon. Oh, and if you part the car out, let us know! :p

Oh...and if you wanna by an Avenger, I'm selling one!


Later

z-cast

[FrozenMazda]

Dr.

Glad to see you're okay and were able to walk away from the wreck. I was in a similar boat with my MX-6. was just getting ready to order an FS-ZE to drop into it as well as some other mods (I was actually driving to my work to place the order online) when somebody in an MR-2 decided not to see me and pull out in front of me on the highway. Got slowed down to 50 before I plowed into him.

Once we all found out we were ok and able to walk and such (I was alone in my car, but the MR-2 had a passenger... both guys were 60+), all I could do is look at my car, shake my head, grin and say "Son of a Bitch".

Walking away from something like that kinda keeps priorities in line and I agree with you there... the car CAN be replaced. Won't be the same, but it can be replaced. Family members can't.

Again, glad to see you're okay and if you are driving that road again and see a deer with a Mazda logo or the rest of your spoiler in his antlers... TAKE HIM OUT!!!!!!

-Roach

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by FrozenMazda
................and if you are driving that road again and see a deer with a Mazda logo or the rest of your spoiler in his antlers... TAKE HIM OUT!!!!!!

lol

[Mazdaspd035]

Damn Vic. I'm surprised you walked away from that, looked like a pretty long and steep tumble. Glad your ok.

[Dr.Sound]

thanks rudi :)

[fraay]

Don't EVER regret swerving to miss the deer.. ever ever ever.. You know by swerving you survived 100% ok.. which is the most you could ask for.. so chances are, by hitting the deer things would have been worse. Not to mention had you hit the deer, he'd be on your hood or in your lap, and you couldn't have made that corner anyways..

That being said.. in most situations (and yours doesnt fall into 'most' in my opinion).. the safest thing to do is to hit the deer..

My parents live in the country where there are lots of wild animals.. a few close calls and an accident in the family caused my parents to do research into the 'proper' way to handle the situation...

Brake hard.. obviously.. (do NOT!!!! e-brake).. if it is obvious that you can not stop in time (or you didn't see it soon enough to brake at all).. right before you hit the animal, hit the gas, floor it.. (this is why you don't e-brake).. this will bring the front end of your car up, and help deflect the animal either to the ground and under your car, or over your roof.. instead of through your windshield..

I know it sounds sort of bizarre.. but if you think about it.. by braking only, your nose is to the ground.. and you've now created a ramp for the animal to roll/slide up into your lap.. The idea is to either create a wall it will 'bounce' off of or create enough upward momentum to make the criter airborne so it doesn't take your head off..

Anyways, sorry to ramble.. I just wanted to pass on the advice, hoping it will be useful to someone someday.

[Pmpkinhead]

Has the car been taken away yet? Would like to see pics of the Helo lifting it out. Maybe it would give us a little closure. Man, you are lucky you didn't have the flash, it coulda been a lot worse LOL
1244 (msporange

PS: My friend says its fixable.

[KpaBap]

*humming* Another one bites the dust. And another one down...

Thank goodness you're alright. Brings back memories from what happened with my Pro...

We're some lucky bitches...

[charles]

Originally posted by Pmpkinhead
Has the car been taken away yet? Would like to see pics of the Helo lifting it out. Maybe it would give us a little closure. Man, you are lucky you didn't have the flash, it coulda been a lot worse LOL
1244 (msporange

PS: My friend says its fixable.

I think they decided it was gonna be too costly, and just leave it there.

[Pmpkinhead]

You must be joking, the environmentalists would have a field day with that one! Fuel, Oil, Other fluids! The insurance co may have to foot the bill, it is CA. LOL
1244 (msporange

[Dr.Sound]

once every 9 or 12 months there's this non-profit organization that cleans the malibu canyons.
they have a helicopter.
so maybe in a year they'll do it.........

[FrozenMazda]

...As the Phoenix rises out of the ashes of another California Canyon...

Definately need pics if that happens.

[KpaBap]

Dude, one of our members crashed his Blazing Yellow MSP last night.

California Canyons are taking our cars :(

[Dr.Sound]

dang!
shit, i feel bad for him........

was it totalled.......i hope not :(

[charles]

Originally posted by KpaBap
Dude, one of our members crashed his Blazing Yellow MSP last night.

California Canyons are taking our cars :(

:(

sign up for a track day or something....

[Pmpkinhead]

Pics:rolleyes:
This is not the way I wish for the car to increase in value.
1244 (msporange

[KpaBap]

Originally posted by charles
:(

sign up for a track day or something....

No shit huh...

I don't have pics and I don't think anyone does. Maybe post-accident where the car is sitting in the impound lot. I have pics of himand his car just before we separated though :(

[Dr.Sound]

bumpZors...... :( i still miss it

[enildeR]

bumpZors...... :( i still miss it

Awww. Sad.










You lose. :P





Ha ha ha.

[Dr.Sound]

brian has tEh beefytits.

[AlpineProtege]

Question: Do they leave it there? or Pull it out? that's pretty steep and far! Just wondering.

[Dr.Sound]

it's still there.
been there since september 2003.

sometimes when i feel crappy, i go down there......

[NRRfrogmanP5]

they didnt really leave it there did they?

[RyanJayG]

hey, how did you know it was rolled 15 times... were you counting?

[CHICO2003]

I don't know how the hell I missed THIS but I guess it's better late than never (to chime in.) First off... Dr. Sound!! You must have a guardian angel!! The fact that you're still alive is one thing but without a scratch??? That just blows my mind!!! I'm curious as to how your life has changed since. I mean, years from now, you may look back on that event as the day you gained a whole new perspective... a whole new level of enlightment...so much so that you were able to accomplish extraordinary things. things you might not have ever had the passion for.

I'm also shocked it's still down there... I suppose it would be rather difficult to pull it out but still... with a number of (still)valuable parts to be had, I'm surprised someone hasn't gone fishing. hmm... actually, I'm not even sure if they make a crane that could handle that. good god!!!

you and that freakin deer are gonna meet one day up in heaven and have a godo laugh.... L8R

[SpicyMSP]

We all have gone fishing at his car MANY times. Everything that could be used or sold was. There is nothing left of that car..

[BlkZoomZoom]

no motor or trans?

[Dr.Sound]

they didnt really leave it there did they?yep
along with other cars........among them are SS camaro, M3, some SUV, 2 bikes.......and so on.

the camaro is about 5 inches high.

[Dr.Sound]

hey, how did you know it was rolled 15 times... were you counting?i counted arround 8....
police report says 15
but i think it was arround 12 really.

[RyanJayG]

damn.. I had just thought about it... counting revolutions would be the last thing on my mind at a time like that.

[Dr.Sound]

it seemed like i was rolling for ever.
after first 2, i kinda got over the shok and started understanding what was going on.

i pressed myself into the seat as hard as i could.....mainly because after the first roll the driver side window broke and my elbow flew up and hit the ground as the car was rolling onto its side.

then i understood that i cant be loose, otherwise i'd be flying all over the interior of the car.......and would eventually fly out of the one of the 6 openings.

so i pressed myself with my arms and legs. arms on the steering wheel, legs on the firewall behind the pedals........untill it came to rest.

i remember 2 flips were in the air.......there was just silence.......then it landed and rolled about 4 more times.

[SpicyMSP]

Vic: " steph can you pick me up to go to Life"

me: "why, what happend..."

[nk2a]

Good god man - You’re lucky ta be alive. I have to say that the car held up well. I would expect the damage to be far worse. When my orange MSP broke loose in the aurora tunnel I thought I had it bad. Your situation is far worse. A sad sad site.

When you’re done grieving any chance you could hit me up with the salvage yard that berried your ride? I'm looking for an 03 interior. It's going to a good cause and will be used for future 03 orange mods.

(Strike the salvage yard - It sounds like its still at the btm, RIPN)

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92620 (http://)

[uclap5]

you are a year too late. car has been picked clean, and it didnt go to a salvage yard. it stays where it fell.

[LapisBlueProteg]

long trip down the hill side to pick nothing!

[BeNegative]

damn...

[Dr.Sound]

lol
thanks for the nice words nk2a.

and everyone.........HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!

[ChiMSP]

Woah. This thread is old. I never got to see those photos posted on that link. All I see is red x red x red x

[Dr.Sound]

that's cause u have a firewall.
enable 3rd party cookies on zone alarm or whatever u use ;).

[CommieSpeed]

OMG what happened? Are you ok? What about parts? A deer? Did you get a new car yet? hahaha sorry I never got to post in this thread back in the day......so...parts? (naughty)

[Dr.Sound]

parts?? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Emode]

(hand)

[Roywhitep5]

i counted arround 8....
police report says 15
but i think it was arround 12 really.
i would have counted it like "AHHHHH!!.... AHHHHHHH!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!"
thats 3 rolls right there

[Cellerator]

LOL, this was so long ago. Still, it brings back memories.

[CommieSpeed]

parts?? HAHAHAHAHA!!!
I....was.....JOKING!!!!!!!!! I'm sassy like that.

[noclue119]

Dude u flipped in the 5th gear? how fast were u going?

[Dr.Sound]

i never said i was in 5th........i think it was 3rd, or maybe 2nd.

[SpicyMSP]

This is what we think it looked like:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/SpicyMSP/vicscar1.jpg

[noclue119]

This is what we think it looked like:



hahahahah

i looked like u were in fifth from your gear position. maybe the shifter was bent.

[Dr.Sound]

hahahahah

i looked like u were in fifth from your gear position. maybe the shifter was bent.
i think it ended up in that position after tranny removal ;)

[CommieSpeed]

This is what we think it looked like:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/SpicyMSP/vicscar1.jpg This pocture was the only thing that could make me laugh after I hit a deer with my MSP last April. 7500 in damage!!! This was my wallpaper the whole time my car was in the body shop!

[SpicyMSP]

This pocture was the only thing that could make me laugh after I hit a deer with my MSP last April. 7500 in damage!!! This was my wallpaper the whole time my car was in the body shop!

hrm so you had my spicymsp on your desktop wallpaper.... does kyle know who you were supporting?

[CommieSpeed]

hrm so you had my spicymsp on your desktop wallpaper.... does kyle know who you were supporting?
OMG shhhh...don't tell him, baby...he won't understand our love!!!

[zenilder]

ahahah. shit. it's been a while since I was on the forums...
I never saw this. this pic is just too funny. someone needs to do a slideshow now for full effect.



This is what we think it looked like:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/SpicyMSP/vicscar1.jpg

[project_msp]

yeah this is pretty old... before my time :)

[Dr.Sound]

lol ;)