$$$ PRICE of MazdaSpeed Protege $$$

[OceanPark]

Check this out: http://www.auto.com/industry/mazda29x_20020329.htm

It said Mazda will sell this protege for under $22,000.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[mazdamp3_18]

considdering what the dealers did with our mp3's i wouldnt be supprised to see the mazdaspeed protege to sell for over 26 g's. personally they should make more than 2000 but its mazdas money... and only 170 hp... im gonna have more than that once i start gettiing all my stuff for my car and i am going to keep it NA....it would have been so much cheaper for them to put the FSZE into it and add a little more to that engine....

[APEXistud]

It would have been cheaper for Mazda, but it's more fun for us with a turbo. You'll see more from the mods on the Turbo'd motor, than you would on the FS-ZE.

[Allen]

It's very difficult to believe that the Mazdaspeed can be priced under $22,000 with what they spec'ed it. The turbo, LSD, better clutch and pressure plate, more powerful disc brakes, "close-ratio" 5-speed gearbox, 450-watt system, with what... 6 or 8 speakers? Is the amplifier seperate or built-in to the sub? More expensive tires (Bridgstone Potenza 215/45ZR 17) and probably better quality (aka lighter) wheels.... Sparco knob, pedals and whatever else... The official site claims to price under $25K instead of under $22K.

I personally believe it'll be higher than $22K (has to be...), but under $25K... barely.... I'll assume at the moment that you won't be able to walk out with under $25K unless you pay cash for the total price. With only 2000 being built, I bet the mark-up price will be hellacious... this will be a wanted vehicle for sure. MP3s went out quick and EVERYONE knew it wasn't powerful enough. Overall, I probably won't really regret getting the MP3... especially if I can upgrade most of the stuff through the dealer. :D

Either way I'm not happy unless they offer all the parts Mazdaspeed will have stock for the Mazda MP3. I'm already not happy to see the upgraded KDC-MP919 MegaMotion that can provide high-res visuals... not only can it self-HIDE the faceplate, but the faceplate can ALSO be totally removed.

Only thing I'm not particularly fond of is with the choice of exterior color. Isn't it black and orange? Err, orange is not my flavor and I prefer avoiding having to drive a black vehicle... especially here in hot weathered Texas.

[OceanPark]

I don't agree, I think it will under 22K. Remember, it is an upgrade of the MP3, so those goodies is not add on top of the price, it just replaced what we have with the differences. If it is selling at 25K, will you bother with the protégé? Or get the WRX, or perhaps the 20K turbocharged Neon.

[kcagle]

The turbo neon 0-60 5.9 $19995
The sentra se-r 0-60 ~7.5 $19500
The Civic SI 0-60 7.5 $19440
the Mazdaspeed 0-60 ~7(albeit an amazing stereo to boot) $22k

I know 0-60 isn't all that matters, but its how cars get marketed.
And the success of Mazdaspeed isn't going to be about whether or not Mazda can build a good performing car. We already know they can do that. Its going to be about MARKETING.

The car will be $20k and they will lose money again, otherwise people won't buy it.

At 22, you have to make it compete in the next class up...
the rsx( also 22500) and the wrx (can now be had for 22500 http://www.imba.com/tcc/subaru.html ).

And they will not win in that class, no matter what Calloway says. Not because of performance, but b/c of the public's image of the protege. We don't think of the protege as a "classy" or "upscale" car so marketing it as a competitor to those cars is going to be a serious uphill battle.

I know already posted this in rumors, but that forum is dead now that the mazdaspeed pro is a reality.

What are your thoughts on this?

[OceanPark]

Well input.

[eeterp]

"You must be a member of IMBA for 6 months before you qualify for the VIP Partners Program....the final decision of which models are available is left to individual dealer discretion. "

Seems like a good way to get a WRX at invoice IF the dealer participates <good luck>.

The RSX type S lists for $23,170 and has less torque. The WRX lists for $23,995 (according to cars.com). It's already been stated that the MS Pro will be UNDER $22K.

Compare the MS Pro to the turbo neon, 1.8T Jetta, etc and the MS Pro WILL win this class. Mazda will have no problem selling 2000 of these cars.

You probably won't find a better handling new car under $22K.

[kcagle]

#1 eeterp, both of those cars list for xxxx amount, but do you know what? They're not selling for list. I have friend who lives in Houston can walk off the lot with a WRX for 23 even,though he's not sure if that's what he wants. See a lot of RSX's on the street? Its b/c they aren't selling. Very few cars are selling for list in the current market.

#2 We all know that the Pro is going to sell for list if we're lucky. If we're unlucky the dealer is going to tack on 3k like fu*ks at Diamond Mazda in Baton Rouge.

#3 I'm not discussing torque, I don't care. Though if you want to quote numbers, the RSX S depending on the source quoting the performance will do 0-60 in ~6.5s. That's pretty freakin fast! I was refering to its marketability in my post. A totally different thing.

#4 I guarantee somebody from Mazda is reading this site.

#5 eeterp, as long as people continue to defend that pricing then Mazda will think they are justified charging that much. But I guess if its that much I just won't buy it.

I can't let it rest...

[C Rae]

supply and demand.
there will be a big demand for these cars when they come out so i would thinkk 25-26,000
no deals. no word on sunroofs or options of lether?

[kcagle]

You're kidding yourself right?

Lets say its 26, like you suggest.

Here will be the delimma(thinking in my head at the dealership: "...hmmmmmmm Do I want a Mazda Protege or a 350Z? I'll only pay about $50 more per month. Its such a difficult decision")

[1sty]

The RSX blows ass that car is way too Small its basicly a mini. I hate that the thing, The real competition for the new Protege will be the WRX and probably the tuned down lanzer, depending on mits. THe advantage of the protege over the WRX is simply handling we can easily smack up a WRX coming out of the coners. Not to mention I believe we have a serious weight advantage.The problem with the new Protege will be the Fucking Orange color:mad: .

[kcagle]

You people must be brainwashed by the air in your mp3.

A competitor to the Lancer? The lancer has a 0-60 of 5.0 and the rally performances to back it up. If it sells for well under 30k, then maybe 26.

This car is in a class all by itself (ie cheap interior, outrageous performance).

[1sty]

I'm not talking about the fullEvo version I am refering to a scaled down version likely to be offered in the states can't just have a 280hp version

[kcagle]

BTW, about your tagline...(friends dont let friends buy sony)

SAWM40 tweaked with polyfill. That's all i've got to say.

About the Pro. I'm not trying to be a butt. I think you guys are just blowing it way out of proportion.

Mazda officials have already stated themselves that they want it to compete with the Si. If they want to start in this market, they need to live up to their words and price accordingly.

I don't care how much you think its worth. Its how Mazda targets its demographic and hence the cars it will compete against that will determine its price.

[eeterp]

kcagle,

well, I respect that you don't like the anticipated less than $22K price but, I promise you that 2000 others won't share your opinion. These cars are going to sell and sell fast (depending on dealer markup). Honestly, if you add that system, turbo, clutch, pressure plate, breaks, intercooler, improved suspension, improved breaks to an MP3 you will have spent well over $24K. So, Mazda is acutally giving the consumer a good deal (based on projected pricing).

Bottom line, this car will sell.

Why not compare the WRX to the BMW 330xi? Both have similar power and AWD. The WRX crushes the BMW in about every acceleration and handling test AND costs about $12,000 less, but does BMW care? NO. Why? Because they've got people sitting on 4 month waiting lists to pick up their 330xi.

I think we should be thanking mazda for answering our prayers for more power.

If you don't like the "spicy orange" the MS Pro comes in "mica black" as well.

[kcagle]

On another board, one guy claims he went to the NY show and the rep told him they are shooting for under 21k.

I called my local dealer who got briefed at a dealer convention in Feb on the pro and he verified that Mazda told him definitely under 21 and possibly 20 even.

That is awesome news!

Spicy orange is my color of choice. Why buy a limited ed if no one notices you?

[neccrixx]

Getting back to the EVO:

Mitsubishi already said the EVO was going to be at least 250 HP...
Why do you think Subaru is bringing out the WRX STi ???

The EVO is gonna kick major @$$
I can hardly wait....


Oh yeah, the new MAZDASPEED Protege is pretty sweet! Hopefully someone will get a custom wastegate (*cough* spoolin *cough*) to boost it up even higher and let that bad boy loose

[NYCZMP3]

the a EVO7 is unbelieveably SICK!!!!!!!!!!!.....i saw it last night at the NYIAS...the us spec is goin to like 260hp..needs a bigger intercooler and that is all..the entire car is amazing...i am sooo mad that i cannot afford it right now....the mazdaspeed pro is hot but NOT in orange ...the black car is absolutely BEAUTIFUL..i am trading my mp3 in when it comes out...most definatley...LSD..sunroof...abs....no vented rotors by the way...clear side markers....hot ass shift knob...hot pedels...the seats are much hotter...the system is alot more powerful....the car definatly has a lot on the MP3...i think i like the wheels better too...it had the same exhaust as the mP3..

[ezrider1026]

Hey NYCZMP3, when u get the new protege can i buy the stock sub off u? I'll send u the money and u can send me the sub ok?

[NYCZMP3]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!.....hey ezrider let tha shit die you FAG!.....the shit is old and done...if you dont like me than that is one thing but SHUT YA FUCKIN MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!.....no one wants to hear you bitch about this shit ok.....IT IS DONE....:cool:

[big_ben]

You guys crack me up! This is better than going to Wal-Mart stoned at 3am to laugh at all the freaks and grossly obese shop out of the public eye. Keep it up fellas! hahahahaha!

[ezrider1026]

why did he freak out? I heard it was a better system and i want to upgrade the mp3 geeeezzzz

[eeterp]

Originally posted by kcagle
On another board, one guy claims he went to the NY show and the rep told him they are shooting for under 21k.

I called my local dealer who got briefed at a dealer convention in Feb on the pro and he verified that Mazda told him definitely under 21 and possibly 20 even.

That is awesome news!

Spicy orange is my color of choice. Why buy a limited ed if no one notices you?

that's great news! now, let's pray the dealers don't jack it up. I have a feeling they'll price it near the turbo neon and jetta. Hell, add the VW GTI 337 version (1.8T @ $22,225) to the list.

I agree with you on the color choice. As much as I like sleepers, I'd want people to know I'm the guy with the turbo protege :D

[rosendo192000]

who know the engine spec. (will it be the same engine from the mp3 just with a turbo or is it a hole different engine)

[kcagle]

Same engine:
You can view unofficial specs on the
www.mazdausa.com site

[kcagle]

This came from Road and Track

rtsp://63.240.88.228/roadandtrack/02ny_rt_mazdaspeed_high.rm

The key thing to listen for in this PRgeeks speal is his reference to the car being under 20k!!!!

[dustobub]

I bet you my 12 year old sister knows more about cars than he does... well on a good note, I like how he said less than 20k, although i highly doubt that, even if it lists for 20k dealer markup would be insane.

Dustin

[vegasmp3]

This car will compete..........Especially that a second and half will be taken off........Also it will handle better than the mp3.................So all the si, type s, wrx, lancer and neon will have a run for their money...........I do agree about putting a stronger engine than a turbo.........My reason is because of the lag problem........You can get rid of it by piggybacking the car...........But then again all of the aftermarket options for the turbo will be nice.............Either way the new mazdaspeed will be a great buy and wouldn't belive it will cost more than $23k........Only nock is the orange,,,maybe,,,I have to see it in person.........

[BigBlue]

I know this could be considered a rumor thing...but I just wanted to start a thread where we all take guesses as to the actual cost once the Mazdaspeed goes on sale...I'm talking MSRP not any dealer gouging prices or anything. :)

My guess for the Canadian pricing will be $28,495. It's a little tricky to do a conversion to US dollars for the price as more often than not we Canadians get a "deal" on our vehicles where as Mazda Canada doesn't actually charge the directly converted Canadian/US amount for the cars. Ours are still a lot more expensive...just not as expensive as they could be.

[jaman]

$25,500 CAD. otherwise not many people will buy.

[StuttersC]

Mental note, buy cars from Canada when the exchange rate is good...

Oh wait, um, I'll say it'll run about US$21,850.

[Newf]

I'm thinking 28k -29k.

Mine was 25,600 last Sept. The car was on the Mazda Canadian Web site for 23,500 I think. That doesn't include any shipping charges and stuff. So, I'm thinking the new one will be at least 27k before extra charges.

I'm hoping it's going to be like 35K. That way no one around here will buy it
:)

[oliver2000]

I have ordered one in orange < sorry folks, like it better than black >, I have a blue mp3 as well for my wife.

My guess is about $ 2500 more than the MP3 which listed for 23,700 cdn plus the normal ripoff charges taxes etc.

My number is $ 26,200 cdn, I am hoping to be the first to get one since I ordered it early, without a price even. The dealer " says " that lost of folks have been calling, so I expect it to be sold quickly, like the MP3.

[BigBlue]

It was pretty sad...I went into my dealership where I bought my MP3 last week and asked if they knew any more info about the new Protege...and they hadn't even heard about the Mazdaspeed......and that's the major reason why when someone says "My dealer told me this", that I take it more as rumor than fact.

[freekwonder]

that sucks, i guess thats why i like my dealership a lot. i asked them about it one day, they had info on it, and new what it was but at the end they said "don't believe anything until we get the published report on it" they dont like just saying shit. i have a good knowledgable dealership and doesnt talk BS to me.

[trobbins]

The new issue of playboy has an article about sport compact cars. They have the Mazdaspeed protege and say they price is going to be "about $20,000"

See.... I read the articles.


Tim

[katsmp3]

I saw that also

[cjstringer]

Wow, didn't realize there was text in there. I wondered what all the non-picture pages were about. :) I'll have to take a look this time!

[Antoine]

Cool! :D

[BigBlue]

Did they write anything about what they thought of the vehicle or was it more of a rehash of stuff we already knew about?

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by cjstringer
Wow, didn't realize there was text in there. I wondered what all the non-picture pages were about. :) I'll have to take a look this time!

or NOT!!! lol :{D

[big_ben]

Man!!,...WTF!!!,....there's this milky looking goop on that page!!! Oh,.....nevermind.

[LinuxRacr]

Originally posted by big_ben
Man!!,...WTF!!!,....there's this milky looking goop on that page!!! Oh,.....nevermind.

LOL!!:D

[APEXistud]

I certainly hope not. I the latest issue of Road & Track they reported the price to priced uner $25k. Silly how we keep hearing all these different prices. First it was $22k, then $20k, now $25k.

[BondoBob]

Well before we all get our collective panties in a wad -(as it were)-about the reporting of possible MSRP of the MSP, we should remember that these magazine factoids are written from the very same press releases we all saw about the time of the NY Auto Show. Just because one reporter bangs in "under 25,000" while another types "under 20,000" is editorial license more than additional knowledge on the subject.

Pricing the MSP at anything close to $25k damages Mazda in two ways. First, $25,000 US is Mazda6's side of the showroom. Secondly, pricing the car that high puts it out of the reach of the tuner market that they want to seed with those 2000 units. Remember that putting down 25 large on a new car moves you into a different set of vehicles like the Audi A4, Toyota Camry and even the Volvo S40. Those cars have features and finish beyond what Mazda can offer on the current Protege.

[Antoine]

I read the same snipit...I highly doubt it will cost 25 g's...I'm going to estimate low 20's...21...maybe 22 g's tops...will see.

[tritonheat1]

I say 19,700 IMO...

[JustinEssig]

They are not stupid 25gs might as well buy a wrx. I agree 19700.

[Travis]

$19,700 sounds a lot better, for $25,000 you can buy much faster, or buy used and go EVEN faster :D

[Antoine]

My local dealer has been known to automatically install dealer BS like lojack and other crap to justify a mark up...with tax, fees and some markup you’re probably looking at a total around low 20's.

Their isn’t much room to negotiate with a limited edition like the MS.

I hope it’s not much more than the mp3…will see.

[StuttersC]

$25,000?? $20,000?? Does it really matter??

I don't think Mazda is going to over price the car. They know the market and they know what they can charge for the car.

I'm just gonna sit back and watch to see how much it is. I know I can't but it, so I'm not going to worry about how much they seel it for.

Although, if the dealer let's me trade for it, that would be kind of cool...

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by tritonheat1
I say 19,700 IMO...

I seriously, highly doubt that the MS-P will be priced at a mere $19,700. Of course we never know, but thinking realisticly it shouldn't be priced that low although it would be nice. Look at the price difference of the 2.5RS to the WRX or the older Eclipse GS to the GS-T. The turbo alone should easily raise the price by $2500. Just my thoughts.

[spoolinmp3]

I agree with apexi,
I the car goes over the price of 23000 msrp there will be some issues with the dealers selling the cars.

I would take a WRX but thats just me:cool:

[Limited Edition]

Hey guys..
This is my very first time posting on this board. i've been reading many threads on this board for about 3 weeks now. I'm in search for a new car, and i've decided that MAZDASPEED protege is what i want.
I've went to 2 different dealers already, and non of the 2 can give me an exact price for this car. Some believe that it is b/t $26-27K CAN and IMO anything that begins with a $27K is pretty expensive for a car of this level. Some who have already order, say that they paid $25,500 and i think this is what i would pay. How do i know who is trying to make more profit from me?. I understand that this is a limited production car and i know discount is next to nothing. But i just want to know the exact MSRP. I don't want to order a car if i don't even know the exact MSRP. how can i possiblity buy a car like that?:mad:
Anyways, For those who are in the Greater Toronto Area, which dealership do you find most friendly? I went to Markham and Nortoh Toronto and i don't seem to like either. Salesman doesn't know anything about the car, and just wants me to order! I don't want to be forced to purchase something that i don't know much of. How is Morningside/ Avante?
Thanks in advance!
-Limited Edition

[almzkid]

I ordered one, exactly two weeks ago. I cannot wait. I went to the Mazda in the Erin Mills Auto Mall in Mississauga, the guy was a typical salesman, but he gave me all of the information that he had been given on the car and said he would hold an order for me for a couple of days while I pondered my financial situation. He told me that it would be between $25k - $26k, more likely nearer to $25k. So I decided I would save the $5000 over a SVT Focus ( the other car I was considering ) and put an order in. I had to give him a $1000 deposit that I can use as part of my down payment when the car arrives or get my money back when the car gets here. Unfortunately this dealership is only getting two of them and I was the second. So maybe they can direct you to another dealership with equal customer service. GOOD LUCK.

[oliver2000]

I ordered mine from Burlington Mazda, good guy knows the car now. Perry 905-333-0595

Unfortunatly both are sold that they are getting, but worth a call you never know.

No dealer knows the MRSP yet, but in Ontario at least thats the price.

[Antoine]

Has anyone reserved one in the USA with US dollars?

[mngai]

I don't like North Toronto at all - very ignorant & arrogant sales people when I went for a quote for my MP3. I got mine at Westowne Mazda @ 427/Dundas because my friend knows the owner. Very friendly service & knowledgeable technicians. Avante is also very good, but they do get quite busy on weekends.

[your mom]

I rather buy a WRX wagon for $22,500 USD. I came VERY close to buying one and that was their best price. The WRX runs mid 14's all day. I doubt the MSP will break into the 14's (STOCK VS. STOCK). Even the Acura RSX- S will be quicker than the MSP!! I would not pay more than $21k for a MSP!!

[Antoine]

I heard the insurance rates on the wrx are pretty crazy (high)...well it would affect all us who are under 25...I wonder how the insurance companies will classify the MS. I hope they consider it just another protégé! ;)

[Limited Edition]

Hey guys....
I've finally visited the third dealership closest to me, in Toronto. This time it was at Morningside Mazda. The Sales here is fairly friendly. Anyways, i talked to the salesman about the MAZDASPEED protege and he had NO clue what i was talking about!?. These people are jokes. He asked me if i was looking for a Mazda6 and i told him No. I told him, that he was to give me a computer with internet i'd show him what i'm looking for. They did just that for me, and i showed the Sales Manager as well about this car. They all seemed to like this car!..haha. They told me as to how this would work; i would have to pay a deposit down if i want to hold this car. Although no one knows this price, they are subject to a full refund if the price turns out to be too high. Any other reasons than price is not refundable. I had to think about it as i did not order today. oh well..just to keep you guys updated on my order for a MAZDASPEED.....:)
-Limited Edition

[APEXistud]

Hopefully, they'll view it as just another Protege. The insurance for the WRX is around the same as the Honda Civic SI, so if you can afford the SI then you should be able to afford the WRX. I don't think $21k would be over priced for the MS-P, just remember that it is a well rounded limited edition turbo'd car. If you take a look at previous turbo'd vehicle MSRP's, you start to get the idea of where the pricing might be. Just like accounting guys, all the numbers are there you just have to put them together.

98' Eclipse GS-T $23,645
96' MR2 Turbo $25,318 (over priced)
02' GTI 1.8t $20,535 (cheaper, but it doesn't have the same goodies as the MS-P)
02' WRX Wagon $23,495

After seeing those numbers, you begin to catch my drift. $21-$22k would be a great price for it, at least in my opinion it would.

[LinuxRacr]

Originally posted by APEXistud
Hopefully, they'll view it as just another Protege. The insurance for the WRX is around the same as the Honda Civic SI, so if you can afford the SI then you should be able to afford the WRX. I don't think $21k would be over priced for the MS-P, just remember that it is a well rounded limited edition turbo'd car. If you take a look at previous turbo'd vehicle MSRP's, you start to get the idea of where the pricing might be. Just like accounting guys, all the numbers are there you just have to put them together.

98' Eclipse GS-T $23,645
96' MR2 Turbo $25,318 (over priced)
02' GTI 1.8t $20,535 (cheaper, but it doesn't have the same goodies as the MS-P)
02' WRX Wagon $23,495

After seeing those numbers, you begin to catch my drift. $21-$22k would be a great price for it, at least in my opinion it would.

I am definintely feelin the sentiments on this one.

[tritonheat1]

Good post, i agree with you on that one apexistud, But there not comparing the MS-protege against 93-98 vehicles it'll be compared to the WRX, 2003 Neon SR-T which claims to be under 20g's, so in my opinion i think they're going to keep the $ pretty low as they can go remember, before everyone thought of buying the MP3 they thought this was a one time deal which it was for 2001 but then 2003 comes and they come out with the New MS-protege which is supposed to be way better than the MP3 and know look, everybody is complaining which is probably pissing mazda off and now everyone's stuck with the MP3 with unhappiness of the MP3's performance. So i think they'll keep the price range around 19,700 IMO. either don't get the MS-protege or Trade-in your MP3. I know it's limited edition again but still.

[Antoine]

I just called the largest Mazda Dealer in my area and the salesman said he just attended a seminar from Mazda and they do not have pricing info yet but he would e-mail me as soon as they know (I hope).

Also, he said Mazda plans on doing Mazdaspeed versions for most or all the models in the lineup...so were probably looking at MS Mazda 6 or MS Protégé 5 or ???

The guy sounded cool and familiar with the MS…but I haven’t had the best experience in the past with dealer info…will just have to see…hope he e-mails me.

[StuttersC]

<-----Happy with his MP3 purchase...Not unhappy with Mazda for making the Mazdaspeed Protege.

Every car manufacturer does this is some fashion. Release a car, then make it better. Look at all the people who ran out and bought a Porsche Carrera 4 last year just to have the Carrera 4S come out this year.

[OceanPark]

I did ordered mine at North Toronto Mazda. My salesman was good and had a great knowledge on the MP3, I had a wonderful experience from them. Anyway, my salesman who call Vick is no longer work there, and I think North Toronto have moved to a new location too.

About the Mazdaspeed protege, I think anywhere below 27K is still very reasonable to me. Consider the goodies and performance parts. (And then go check out the SIR and SVT, ugly.... :mad: )

Good luck in getting one. And please keep me update.
Also not to forget to give me a RIDE, when you got the car. ;)

[KurtMP3]

I too had major problems with them being ignorant at North Toronto, i nearly told the one guy i talked to, to just fuck off he was so ignorant

[Limited Edition]

so where did you end up buying your Mp3 from?

[KurtMP3]

Avante Mazda, theyre great, absolutely the best I dealt with made it so comfortable to buy my car...Although I still say Mazda Canada is worthless

[Limited Edition]

<Although I still say Mazda Canada is worthless>

hey Kurt,
what did you mean by this?..you think that mazda in Canada has a terrible re-sale value?..or is the dealerships in Canada a piece of crap?:confused:

[KurtMP3]

No that Mazda Canada as customer relations/service sucks...The dealership I have is great Avante is amazing, but everything they have to do usually has to go through Mazda Canada for warranty claims, etc...And Mazda Canada is slow and poor at this, like really bad! bad enough I likely wouldnt buy a Mazda again

[manuel]

thats why they are SALESMEN, not mechanics or car techs. i could care less if my salesman knew about the mp3 or not, i just wanted a fair deal.....geez. what do you think a salesman could tell you that you didnt already know? other than the price or something like that?...goodness.

limited edition, if they do give you a refund on the deposits, why not try leaving a deposit?...give it a shot and if/when you get the mazdaspeed lemme drive it....please.

[Limited Edition]

I don't understand why U.S cars is much more expensive than it is here in Canada. If you convert some of the figures that some of you guessed it's 'way' beyond what we will likely pay.

Converting from U.S funds to Canadian doesn't always work. Heck using the 1.6CAN - 1 U.S doesn't seem to make sense at all!

BigBlue - your guess at $28,495CAN is just crazy. :eek:
I personally wouldn't look into a Protege at this price!. Keep in mind that a protege is the entry-level car in Mazda's lineup! At this price you can be at a compelety different class of car. e.g 2001 Honda Prelude SE which is only $28,300CAN.

I'm totally with jaman and oliver2000, at this price figure.
Anywhere b/t $25,500 - $26,200CAN is more like it!
As a soon owner of a MS-P it's hard for me to say this, but in Japan, Mazda is in fact the lowest japanese car looked at.:o

Anyways, this is just my thoughts....
:(

[ChopstickHero]

my friend reserved an orange mazdaspeed 3 for $500, which will eventually go towards the down payment. the dealer told him that to expect a price range of about $27,500 before taxes.... so rolling off the lot he'll probably be paying about $31 - 32,000. remember, these are limited productions so dealers can pretty much charge well over MSRP b/c these hotties are in demand, so every dealer will vary in price.

[StuttersC]

Originally posted by ChopstickHero
my friend reserved an orange mazdaspeed 3 for $500, which will eventually go towards the down payment. the dealer told him that to expect a price range of about $27,500 before taxes.... so rolling off the lot he'll probably be paying about $31 - 32,000. remember, these are limited productions so dealers can pretty much charge well over MSRP b/c these hotties are in demand, so every dealer will vary in price.

Just because they (the dealers) can charge more, doesn't mean they should. If he is paying that much for the car, limited production or not, he should buy something better for the same money.

Just MHO...

[Maniac8888]

Originally posted by StuttersC


Just because they (the dealers) can charge more, doesn't mean they should. If he is paying that much for the car, limited production or not, he should buy something better for the same money.

Just MHO...

You can say that again.

[odp]

$25,000-$26,000 says my dealer. Laid my $500 deposit on Saturday. Also expects mid-August delivery, but I'm more skeptical about that.

[oliver2000]

Dealers cannot charge anything they want in Canada at least, Mazda Canada sets the MRSP and that is the top price plus taxes, delivery charges, since we have consumer protection laws here :-). Being a limited edition do not expect much less than MRSP, maybe some free wheel locks.

Now if the dealer gets a hold of the car BEFORE you put a deposit on it, they can tint the windows, undercoat it, paint protection and whatever else they can and charge the hell out of you for the " upgrades ". The line would be sorry sir the car has all this done already here is the price.

On our MP3 when we bought it, the dealer was just about to do the upgrades when we walked in and bought it coming off the truck....sheer luck that it was not already sold....crap dealership is most likely why.

[enry]

Yeah, Canadian dealers can charge LESS than msrp for mine charged me MSRP on the dot. And yeah, free wheel locks, good call there.

-e

[odp]

Originally posted by oliver2000
Dealers cannot charge anything they want in Canada at least, Mazda Canada sets the MRSP and that is the top price plus taxes, delivery charges, since we have consumer protection laws here :-). Being a limited edition do not expect much less than MRSP, maybe some free wheel locks.

Now if the dealer gets a hold of the car BEFORE you put a deposit on it, they can tint the windows, undercoat it, paint protection and whatever else they can and charge the hell out of you for the " upgrades ". The line would be sorry sir the car has all this done already here is the price.

On our MP3 when we bought it, the dealer was just about to do the upgrades when we walked in and bought it coming off the truck....sheer luck that it was not already sold....crap dealership is most likely why.

Just a question - what is the chance that I would be able to get away without having any decals or anything from the dealership? Has anyone ever insisted that they don't put any advertising on their new car? (or better yet, charged them for advertising!!?)

[oliver2000]

I insisted that I had no stickers on the MP3 and will do the same for the mazdaspeed. The dealer did put license plate covers that was basically a mazda logo with the dealer name. Simple enough replaced them anyway....they use metric bolts by the way.

[Newf]

what is the chance that I would be able to get away without having any decals or anything from the dealership?


Pretty good actually, but t depends on your dealer and if the sales person is a dick or not. I've insisted that they DON't put stickers on any of my cars over the years. Pisses them off. The nicer and more noticeable the car is, the more they want to stick the stickers on to advertise.

Just tell them up front, you put something on it, you lost the sale. Simple as that.

[slug420]

im getting my MS for 1000 over msrp...
am i gettin ripped off?
i have heard that the MP3s went for 2000 over, but I was just reading a thread in the rumors section about how much to pay for a car and ppl were talking about getting AT or below msrp....

lemme kno what you guys think and what you are going to/willing to pay for yours

[Limited Edition]

hello..

I also have an MS-P on Order and i was told that this car is expected to be around the $26-$27K CAN figure. This is all that i am going to pay.
In Fact, all i expect to pay for this car is $25,500 CAN. I don't believe this car should exceed more than $26,500CAN at all.:bs:

Why buy MS-P ay over $27K when there is far better cars out there that is in this price range?:confused:

I don't believe that you should buy any car at all over MSRP. It is just not right for an dealer to do such a thing. I know here in Canada that it is illgeal to do such a thing. I'm not sure why in the States they allow this.?:confused:

Anyways, I wouls suggest to you NOT to pay over MSRP or whatever their mark up is. Don't put the extra $ into the salesman's pocket. It is just not worth it. IMO

thanks;)

[odp]

$25,500, give or take $400 or so, is as much as I expect/am willing pay.

Any more than that, and I expect 170 hp at the wheels.

The $750 Mazda graduate rebate + expected price pretty much makes/breaks the sale.

[slug420]

Originally posted by odp
$25,500, give or take $400 or so, is as much as I expect/am willing pay.

Any more than that, and I expect 170 hp at the wheels.

The $750 Mazda graduate rebate + expected price pretty much makes/breaks the sale.

here in the US i have been told no incentives will be used in conjunction with the MS cars. My dealer says the graduate discount comes from mazda's pocket, not his, so he will ask when they arrive, but doesnt expect it..........

and how do I talk my dealer down? is it possible? he kinda has me by the balls i think, since he knows how bad i want one, and he knows he will be able to sell it to the next kid who walks in the showroom since he might be richer than me and not think twice about the price.

[Antoine]

he knows he will be able to sell it to the next kid who walks in the showroom since he might be richer than me and not think twice about the price.

That’s the problem...and you can count on NO incentives AT ALL! You notice every time a special edition of any sort comes out and they advertise lower rates or something...the "small type" always says..."excludes XXXX model"...at least in the first few months...if ever. Slim chance they will do the grad discount...but who knows...will see.

[Newf]

Up here the grad discount works on any model. I got the mp3 using it. I was cutting it close though as you had to have graduated within the last 3 years. I was 1 month over but they still took it.

[odp]

Originally posted by newf
Up here the grad discount works on any model. I got the mp3 using it. I was cutting it close though as you had to have graduated within the last 3 years. I was 1 month over but they still took it.

Graduated in May. Shouldn't be a problem to get. Just to clarify though, it's just a rebate and not a discount, so I won't save any tax, will I?

[Captain KRM P5]

The Mazda graduate program I got in worked as follows; no cosigner, no payments or interest for six months and 2% APR. The car was a fully loaded Protege5 and I got it for $100 over invoice. I could have taken a $750 rebate on it instead but when you do the math the former option was far better.

I was considering trading up for an MSP but I rather like A) my yellow 'sport wagon' B) the lower payments and C) the fact that I could add a turbo later on if I so desired.

[manuel]

its not always about PRICE. it mostly about what you want...you might have been able to get a "better" car, even if used but "better" for less than what you got the mp3 for, but why didnt you? because you WANTED the mp3. im gonna see if can afford a mazdaspeed and im gonna reserve one, orange for me please. 22,500US would be GREAT.

[scott42]

the graduate rebate is valid. I had one dealer tell me it wasn't so I walked, it literally just broke the deal...next dealer I went to said sure, no problem, and I bought it....Although, I will never EVER pay MSRP for a car...EVER...I feel like that guy in the crying game when I think about the fact that I did...:'(
at this point i would gladly have bought a P5 for a good 2-3 k less and been just as happy...call me a jackass(silly) (silly) (silly) (silly)

[YellowMP5]

personally i would nevet pay more than MSRP but i guess it all depends on how bad you want the car. don't be afraid to walk out of a dealership.

[slug420]

i may do just that. I think tomorrow I will shop around in my area for any other Mazda dealerships that will be MS franchises......although I really like the ppl at the one I have a deposit at, 1000 over msrp makes me a little bitter.........

[Antoine]

I got my issue of AUTOMOBILE...they had a "Hottest new cars of 2003" section...of course they had the MS Protegé and they estimate the price to be $20,000.

One salesman I spoke to said it will be less than $20,500...not sure if I can believe that.

They also had the SRT-4 with a price of $19,995 and that was not an estimate.

[manuel]

heck if its 20,500 im expecting to pay atleast 21,000. it will be worth it. everyone gather 'round and lets pray the 20,500 price tag is real.

[MMMatHeart]

I'm in Toronto. There's a lot of mystery behind the price tag. Who's got the answer- How much is this gonna cost. I've been told less than 30. That's the best they can do. Well, if it's near 30, then I'll go get an rsx type-s.

[MP3 Paul]

I have talked to the sale person who sell me the MP3 and he told me the price for the MSP would be around $27,000. I expect there price tag would be at $26,795 something like that! Any guess from Anyone?:D

[colin949]

ahha if that was us that woiuld be soo funny, they said its gunna be 20,500

[MP3 Paul]

That should be Canadian dollar! CAN$27,000.

Did anybody remember how much they sell the MP3 in US. US$18,500 which is = to almost CAN$29,000

The price for the Canadian MP3 only cost us CAN$23,795 + Freight & PDI + taxes. Agree?:p

[BigBlue]

That's right we get a bit of a deal here in Canada as they don't just directly convert the american pricing for a vehicle to Canadian dollars. Thank goodness for that or there'd be a lot less of us on the roads as we couldn't afford to drive! :eek:

[mikkol]

If they were to convert the USD price tag to CAD, the price would be USD20,500 * 1.55 (today's rate) = CAD31,775. As such price we could already buy a RSX Type-S here so no one would (well not many, I'm sure some ppl still would) wanna get a MS-P then...

[MP3 Paul]

:) Sure the type S is a really fast car! But the MSP is not slow! But one thing I am sure is the MSP must handle better than the type-S

[Esteban Toledo]

$20k is more like it. I can't imagine paying much more for this car. Anything higher would hit subaru's wrx price range. If these cars are the same price, I'd go w/ the faster car; or wait 'til January for the Evo. Just an opinion from a slow-witted member.

[slug420]

evo will be 30k+ and i am willing to bet they are all reserved already. I know the mazdaspeed dealers werent taking deposits until just recently but the mitsu dealers have been taking deposits since jan/feb for EVOs

if it was between the evo and the STI, both which will be in the 30+ price range, i would go with the STI. EVO VII is to plane jane for me.....

[JasonH]

My local dealer, Nucar Mazda (http://www.nucar.com) in New Castle, Delaware, has just told me today that they will be getting 10 orange and 10 black Mazdaspeed Proteges. I talked to the internet sales person there, Jim Hiester (jhiester@nucar.com), and he said any Mazdaspeed Proteges bought through the internet sales department (I think he's the only one that handles Mazdas over the internet there) would be below list. He didn't say how much below, but with people throwing around $1000-2000 above list, I'm sure it will be attractive to some people in the area. I'm already getting my orange MS Protege there. They're a great dealer and have been around for 30 years. I've bought a couple of cars there, including my '92 MX-3. They currently sell Mazdas, Subarus and Isuzus in the same showroom, but they're actually getting rid of the Subarus and Isuzus to just sell Mazdas and Mazdaspeeds.

Anyway, drop him a line (jhiester@nucar.com) if you're interested. I told him about the board and that I might post about it here, so he's expecting it. You can also call him if you'd like at 800-486-6370, and be sure to ask for Jim Hiester.