MP3/FS-ZE Dyno [Archive]

LinuxRacr

03-26-2002, 09:57 PM

Well guys,

I finally did it!:D I dynoed my new engine, and what a dissapointment!:( I REALLY need to get my shit tuned, and maybe the J-spec ECU! Here it is:

Dyno (http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/linuxracr/vwp?.dir=/MP3+FS-ZE+Install&.src=ph&.dnm=Dissapointing+Dyno.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/linuxracr/lst%3f%26.dir=/MP3%2bFS-ZE%2bInstall%26.src=ph%26.view=t)

The guy dynoing said that it climbs steadily up to 4500 RPM, and then it dips, then climbs from the dip? WTF!!! Effectively I have about 147 - 150 HP at the crank! Essentially 7-10 more than stock! At least I get to that HP quicker with the Fidanza Flywheel! :mad:

mazdamp3_18

03-26-2002, 10:08 PM

DAMN that sucks.... there has got to be something wrong with your ECU... are you running a stock ECU with no mods.??? you gained 7 hp at the wheels compared to a stock mp3. and that 7 may be from the flywheel and the clutch b/c they help in getting more power to the ground.... but the torque dosent seem right to me.... you need to get that ecu of yours tuned... bc i think that a J-Spec computer will be basically impossible to come by unless you find a totalled J-spec with the ecu still in it...

mazdamp3_18

03-26-2002, 10:09 PM

OH BTW this is off topic but what kind of Guage pod do you have??

upsman

03-26-2002, 10:50 PM

Just FYI. There is a J-SPEC ECU in the states. The problem is that you cannot plug it in to the US wiring harness AND you cannot directly download the info to the US ECU. So the problem isnt getting the Japanese ECU. Getting the info from it is

Jeremy

njaremka

03-27-2002, 09:56 AM

who sells the j-spec ecu? all that would need to be figured out is what each pin is on the us version and the coresponding pin on the j-spec version. then a connecting harness could be made to "bridge the gap"

Jag61180

03-27-2002, 11:18 AM

Why did you go to redline and not alamo?

How much did redline charge?

LinuxRacr

03-27-2002, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Jag61180
Why did you go to redline and not alamo?

How much did redline charge?

Redline charged $65.

LinuxRacr

03-27-2002, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by mazdamp3_18
OH BTW this is off topic but what kind of Guage pod do you have??

Go here:

http://forum.protegemp3.com/vbb222/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2821

chdesign

03-27-2002, 12:58 PM

Dude those number are crap for a 2 grand engine. I'm glad I went turbo instead of engine swap I know this now. I'm making more whp than you are at the crank. Get a stand alone and get some power out of that or get someone to make an ECU adapter. Oh yeah did you get my thread about your fuel PSI guage?

Razhael

03-27-2002, 07:23 PM

wheres redline?

LinuxRacr

03-28-2002, 03:48 AM

6500-6800 RPM

LinuxRacr

03-28-2002, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by mazdamp3_18
DAMN that sucks.... there has got to be something wrong with your ECU... are you running a stock ECU with no mods.??? you gained 7 hp at the wheels compared to a stock mp3. and that 7 may be from the flywheel and the clutch b/c they help in getting more power to the ground.... but the torque dosent seem right to me.... you need to get that ecu of yours tuned... bc i think that a J-Spec computer will be basically impossible to come by unless you find a totalled J-spec with the ecu still in it...

Corksport sells the J-spec ECU for about $350. The problem will be the re-wireing for the OBD I ECU. I WILL research this and find my answer. I am determined to get this worked out!

spoolinmp3

03-28-2002, 04:31 AM

Linux I think your only real feasible option is to go with a stand alone and scrap the computer all together. I think the main US distributor of haltech is in texas......you may wanna give them a try and let them reccomend you a very reputable haltech dealer that has lots of expereince on installing them.

I know this kinda sucks dropping another 1500 beans but you have alot more potential for that motor. Do you wanna turbo in the future? The haltech would be great for that too. You will be the first turboed, Jap spec MP3.....SWEEET:)

LinuxRacr

03-29-2002, 03:28 AM

wildman

03-29-2002, 09:09 PM

linux how much did the engine swap cost you?

LinuxRacr

03-30-2002, 02:49 AM

$2110(engine) + 1890 (install)= $4000

VizaX

04-05-2002, 06:22 PM

A friend of mine has an MP3 and he swapped it this is wut he said MIGHT might be ur problem...

the reason they would've lost everything for a little at 4000-6000 rpms would be because they're probably trying to run the jspec intake manifold with the VICS system in it w/ no JSPEC ECU. Some people i know have avoided that problem by using their stock ecu and stock intake manifold but used all other FSZE components

Maybe this could help

eeterp

04-05-2002, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by VizaX
A friend of mine has an MP3 and he swapped it this is wut he said MIGHT might be ur problem...

the reason they would've lost everything for a little at 4000-6000 rpms would be because they're probably trying to run the jspec intake manifold with the VICS system in it w/ no JSPEC ECU. Some people i know have avoided that problem by using their stock ecu and stock intake manifold but used all other FSZE components

Maybe this could help

Who is your friend with an FS-ZE engine?

Anyway, that dyno proves what UPSMAN and I believed (the FS-ZE on a stock computer is similar to an MP3). Enginemanagement should yield a lot of hp but, controling VICS is another story. You need a solenoid that is triggered at a specific RPM to switch the intake runners. Personally, I have no idea at what RPM the intake switches or how exactly to do it.

I believe Eric Burmeister (rally MP3) tied open both runners on his FS-ZE.

Right now only one of your runners is open and it could be the one for low end power.

Thanks for posting your dyno!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LinuxRacr

04-06-2002, 02:03 AM

Accually guys, I am using the stock MP3 Manifold. My J-Spec Intake Manifold is in the garage. I will swap this when I have a suitable ECU solution.

VizaX

04-06-2002, 02:46 PM

One of the guys has a Probe and the other Frank has an MP3.

Kooldino

04-08-2002, 04:56 PM

We have two intake runners? Where are they? My friend and I found one today...it was on the passenger side...toward the back of the engine bay. It seems to kick in around 6K under full throttle.

njaremka

04-08-2002, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Kooldino
We have two intake runners? Where are they? My friend and I found one today...it was on the passenger side...toward the back of the engine bay. It seems to kick in around 6K under full throttle.

that big aluminum looking tank hanging off the engine towards the back of the engine bay is the intake plenum. in between the plenum and the head are two SETS of intake runners (one set of longer ones, one set of shorter ones) which optimize torque over the operating range. there is a valve between the two that switches from one to the other around 3500-4000 rpm.

igdrasil

01-07-2004, 11:47 PM

bump...hehe

thewrench

01-07-2004, 11:53 PM

Talk about prehistoric. Geez, I wonder where this whole myth of dual intake runners started?

StuttersC

01-08-2004, 07:22 PM

Why the hell was this brought back form the dead?

FunkyBuddha

07-11-2008, 06:20 PM

I'm gonna bring it back again. Looking to swap the FSZE into my old p5 with an MP3 ECU. From reading this..it'll work but not w/ the power gains as expected.

If I sourced a JDM ecu and harness..I should be ok right? Nothing else needs to be done? What about all the little electronics in the car? HVAC? Windows? Cruise? Gauges? Will they work accordingly?

TreFlip999

07-11-2008, 06:29 PM

Either way the FS-ZE would be alot more reliable then doing a turbo for the main fact that it is all motor

jamesk

07-11-2008, 07:16 PM

Either way the FS-ZE would be alot more reliable then doing a turbo for the main fact that it is all motor

if your only looking for the same power output as the fs-ze, then a small turbo kit would deff. be very easy to make that power and the engine would be plenty reliable.

i think the best option for engine management for the fs ze motor is to get a standalone like the haltech or something. in the end it would be alot easier to obtain maximum power out of the engine. besides, who says the jdm ecu does obtain the most potential?

its deff. alot easier and more benificial to get a standalone. you can also take advantages of bolt ons you throw on the fsze and maybe the car would really open up

StuttersC

07-27-2008, 01:22 PM

Mazdaspeed2oo35

07-27-2008, 03:29 PM

I did some research today, and it looks like Haltech may be the way for me to go. AEM has a plug-n-play system in development for proteges, but are behind on current developments. Haltech USA is here in Dallas, and there are quite a few folks who can tune it. Maybe next Paycheck?:D

FOCUS have a full running MSP with a FS-ZE, you should ask him how he did it...

here is the thread where you can find a video and info..

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123713577