Pics of prototype MSP w/ECU flash

[Dr.Sound]

this one has the ECU flash.
bunch of wires are for monitoring.

this one also has the upgraded IC.

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Dr.Sound/Prototype/prototype02.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Dr.Sound/Prototype/prototype01.jpg

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Dr.Sound/Prototype/prototype03.jpg

[Aaron]

what upgraded intercooler is that? also is this an ecu from mazda usa or another aftermarket vendor?

[2K3 MSP]

Will that intercooler be available as a replacement from Mazda, or is this a custom IC?? By the way, who's car...yours??

[Dr.Sound]

custom IC
flash from mazdaspeed USA (mazda)

[Aaron]

is the hesitation gone??? with this ecu flash.

[nocar]

whats the reason for the verticle intercooler?

[Dr.Sound]

Aaron - http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?threadid=28097&goto=newpost

nocar - ability to use stock setup.

[122 Vega]

So they are testing the flash on a car that is not stock? That does not make sense. It has a MBC, which most people say cures 99% of the hesitation anyways, and a more effiecient IC? That just does not make sense.

Britt

[pdhaudio83]

(hmm)

[MazdaspeedZOOM]

Originally posted by 122 Vega
So they are testing the flash on a car that is not stock? That does not make sense. It has a MBC, which most people say cures 99% of the hesitation anyways, and a more effiecient IC? That just does not make sense.

Britt

I agree that's horseshit to test an ECU flash on a car that has been modded/upgraded. So what the ECU flash works for those who get a bigger intercooler? I swear I think Mazda has there head up there ASS when it comes to our damn car!

[low_psi]

there is no MBC, there are a few valves on the IC piping and in the bay that may look similar but there are no lines going into the wastegate connected to a controller.

everyone needs to chill and realize mazda is working on a reflash. that new IC will was little effect if any on the testing.

[Dr.Sound]

it has been tested with the stock IC

[122 Vega]

No one needs to chill, no one is all worked up that would require significant chilling. Just curious why. I think that is alloed. And if you look at the pics, it does look liike a MBC even if it is not. Besides I remember this as being a discussion board, so why should we be rediculed for offering simple discussion?

Britt

[jeremyfl]

The post on the other thread says:
there is no set date yet for whent he FLASH(not ECU) will be out.

you won't need the kit if you're only using it to get rid of the hesitation. posted by mx3ownzj00

Now honestly why would you want the flash then???

I thought thats what the ECU flash was for???

[Dr.Sound]

10-12 more hp.

FPR kit does not get rid of hesitation........only supresses it.

if mixture is leaned out with the flash, that means better gas milage.

overall better running car.

[beans]

Hey Dr. Sound, could you tell me when if that intercooler is coming out and who is going to make it. I personlly like the idea of putting that in the stock location, and not having to put in a whole new radiator with the FMIC.

[Dr.Sound]

made by mazdaspeed........dont know when it's coming out
if i see the guy again i'll ask

[122 Vega]

You don't have to replace the radiator with the Ion or the Spool FMIC kits, Where did you get that impression?

Britt

[beans]

You are right, but I know at least ION recomends that you do because of the gap on the side. I just worded it wrong.

[DiscreetSpeed]

where is this info and pics coming from?

[Dr.Sound]

what info?
i dont see any info :D

pics are coming from me........although it's not my car

[DiscreetSpeed]

im sorry i meant where did you find out or see the upgrade on like the IC?

[Dr.Sound]

this car belongs to mazdaspeed

i took pictures during one of our weekly meets.........it was only one time when this car showed up

[Dr.Sound]

Originally posted by 122 Vega
So they are testing the flash on a car that is not stock? That does not make sense. It has a MBC, which most people say cures 99% of the hesitation anyways, and a more effiecient IC? That just does not make sense.

Britt

take another look at that picture.............do u actually own an MBC?

[DiscreetSpeed]

so this intercooler is a little bigger, i cant really see the difference?nice man, no clue on a price for it?

[beans]

Well for one the ends are aluminum, where ours are plastic. And buy looking at mine I'd say that one in the pic is about an inch thicker.

[Dr.Sound]

it's thicker.....not plastic like ours...........and has better internals

[low_psi]

Vega- i only said chill cause the post above me was filled with anger. i'm up for discussion. maybe you took my post the wrong way. i was only saying that the test car only has a different IC and not a MBC, so you guys still didn't think that Mazda was testing a non-stock car. i was just trying to clear up any confusion the MBC was causing.

jeremeyfl- dr. sound explained perfectly the how the Joe P kit works. it was not designed to cure the hesitation, but it happens to help on most of the MSP's.

the flash will allow the engine to run smoothly throughout the powerband without running rich, therefore making the Joe P kit useless to anyone who ONLY wants it for the hesitation issue.

[122 Vega]

Cool, I seem to be wrong about the MBC, as I should have said "it appears" but I still can't tell what that valve if for. There does seem to be a hose from the BOV that travels over the airbox to behind the headlight area.

Britt

ps Dr Sound, yes I do have an MBC, thanks

[low_psi]

yea, that brass valve caught my eye but if you look closely near the intake compressor of the turbo(where the wastegate is) there is a black object that has a line going down towards the WG. if you follow that, it hooks up to another black box on the valve cover along with other lines. like you i'm confused as to where all the lines are going, but i don't see any hoses that connect to both the DV and WG, oh well.....

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

i thought this prototype was in texas...

[Dr.Sound]

hehe.........they're everywhere.........

:D did u actually think they are going to prototype one car only :D

[unwrittenLaw]

I'm still curious if the new flash will lean out the fuel too much to the point where it wont be safe to up the boost...

[slug420]

a new IC from mazdaspeed?

is this ever going to be released to the public? thats makes me more excited than the ecu fix, almost...

[slug420]

do we know what kinda perf gains they for outta the IC?

im sure there is a thread somewhere about this car so if you could just point me to it ill stop askin silly questions...

:)

[Dr.Sound]

no other thread :)

i just took the pics...........thought u guys would like them
i know nothing about IC.......

[NEED4SPEED]

I'd be willing to bet that this new IC will be used on the new Mazda 3.

You heard it first here!

[nomahh]

Off-topic a bit:

Dr. Sound - thanks a ton for the pics & info. Small request: your sig pic is awesome, but it's slowing my page loads & scrolls to a crawl. :)

[funnylittlman]

Dr. Sound

Thank you for the updates.

You're (thumb) in my book! :D

[Aaron]

dr sound,

thanks for the info. At least we have proof of mazda looking into our problem with the pictures you posted.

[Pirana]

Mazdaspeed should sell an upgrade IC and pipe kit. Just like Mopar supports the SRT-4. Only thing you can get from MS is hats and shirts. No real performance parts.

[II-Savy]

No real proformance parts? Our car comes with a TON of stuff already. Then you can go aftermarket for another whole slew of stuff.

[servoeyes]

Yeah...but no factory performance, is what he meant. Mazdaspeed is Mazda's Nismo, SVT, etc. in Japan...yet here all they have are hats unless you want to blow your wad on j-spec parts that may not fit.

[Pirana]

right.

[TampaBlackMSP]

Just to clarify - I've got the Injen CAI, and Joe's fpr kit tapped into that - Are there any known issues with getting the ECU flash (if and whenever it comes out) if I've got the fpr kit, or should I remove that first? I just don't want to get the flash and have something bad happen due to the fpr already installed...just wondering...

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

take off the fpr b4 the flash happens

[TampaBlackMSP]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking....

[bruce95fmla]

yes I'm late !
no offense, but what's the point of putting an aftermarket intercooler in that same lame area and not relocating it to the optimal area ... behind lower front bumper ... I don't see the point ... otherwise. nice car

[SpicyRay]

i believe the IC replacement would be because the stock IC has plastic ends and that new one has metal ends.

[subaruwrx]

Originally posted by SpicyRay
i believe the IC replacement would be because the stock IC has plastic ends and that new one has metal ends.

...and better internals, jeez, dont you guys read?

It probably flows better and has less heat soak.
--Adam

[servoeyes]

If it works better..."Give to Daddy..." :D

[SpicyRay]

...and better internals, jeez, dont you guys read?

yeah, i do read, but i forgot that part.

[chwood]

Originally posted by subaruwrx
...and better internals, jeez, dont you guys read?

It probably flows better and has less heat soak.
--Adam

Since when do you have to be able to READ to flame?

(monkey)

;)

[Dr.Sound]

u guys are funny........

[ping]

Stock IC location isn't that bad - a below-bumper IC has a few more issues when slushy and some of our MSP's (mine, certainly) will see significant winter duty! iIn addition, easier to bump when parking etc (hey not everybody drives as wellas WE do ;) )Remember, Mazda has to worry about the long-term and warranty stuff b/c not everyone who buys their cars is an enthusiast...

New radiator if go to FMIC? Only if there are cooling issues - if the gap left by removal of the stock IC allows too much air past the stock radiator it'd be easier/cheaper to just fab a shield to direct the air to the radiator than to buy a new rad...

I'm very excited about the flash - my MSP's at the dealer again because of the alarmn (purposely misspelled - I like the sniglet!) leaving the parking lights on... and I complained again about the hesitation though the tech "couuld not verify condition" last time it was in, but did at least note that they'd call Mazda tech on it...).