obx header here and on

[awdlax]

holy crap, it is so damn sweet and made a huge difference and yea everyone they do exist and they are in my garage under my cf hood

[p5sundevil]

ok, where did you buy? how much, how long did it take for delivery...u know the usually 20 questions =)

Most importantly did the install go well and were there hookups for everything needed? Throw a CEL? Pictures?

ahhhhhhh
I have wanted a cheaper alternative for a header for our pro's for a while.

[awdlax]

every thing fit to perfection,www.abtivan.com-he only had one?or somthing. i got 3 day shiping it got here this morning and install took maybe 1.5 to 2 hours with one person, I will post pics later
its like 2 somthing for every thing. It may be cheaper, i got chrome which will change colors every time you see it

[p5sundevil]

looks like it is 232 5 shipping for ground makes it 237, not bad at all. I may be able to get a header this month after all.

I am gonna email em first to see if they ahve more in stock.

[shaunmp5]

The link is: http://abtivan.com/concepts/headers/obx_racingheaders.htm#Mazda

Did it take away any power down low? Is your car any louder?

[MikeBlueP5]

yeah do tell, what all did it come with? did it eliminate both cats? and the price looks to be more like around 200? did it come with all the goods razorp5 got with his racingmazda header?

[MP3-Owner]

PICS!!!!!! I want to see the difference between your header and the RacingMazda Header.

[keyserscott]

MIkeBlueP5 I work in Lithia Springs. Right next door to you. Id love to see Racing Harts on a P5. I was looking at getting a header but I heard it takes away low end. Ive pretty much decided to go turbo. Probably a Spool stage 1 then upgrade with a custom intercooler.

[Matthew]

i just want to hear what it came with

[Protege5Lava]

Originally posted by p5sundevil
looks like it is 232 5 shipping for ground makes it 237, not bad at all. I may be able to get a header this month after all.

I am gonna email em first to see if they ahve more in stock.


YES!!! please keep us posted if they have more in stock and what it comes with!!! THANKS!!

[Protege5Lava]

What is the difference between a stainless and ceramic coated header?...*don't flame me too badly, ok* hehe:D

[TUNGSTENGREYWIDOW]

Does the header come with both O2 sensor bungs? How is the fitment. Please post ASAP this is vital info I need to determine if am going to stay in the racingmazda groupbuy. Post pics also Thanks Alot.

[SpicyMchaggis]

yea really! details! will it pass emissions? Thats like my biggest concerns these days..if it does...i'll go N/A instead of boost.. I just dont have the funds to flip boost right now..

[L8R]

keep us posted! thats a good price man - chris

[p5sundevil]

i am hoping for an email back by the end of today.

For the 1.6L engine it loks like with shipping it will be right at or under 200, for the 2.0L i think it is a little more.

[TUNGSTENGREYWIDOW]

I think he is yankin are chains. Where is the love? to much suspense for me I have no patience for this type stuff. The sight just shows the header but no info. Who knows if they have them. So i'm going back to the racingmazda header. I'll pay more money for a piece of mind. HOLLA...........

[Matthew]

yea i was thinkin the same thing widow but im not going to accuse anyone of lying...stick with the racingmazda ones!

[MP3-Owner]

BTW...Any header you buy will not pass emissions unless it has a cat. Thats just the way its going to be. You can get a header and keep your second cat and put the second O2 sensor behind it. You may pass that way, but still yet to be determend.

[Matthew]

have you got the CEL fix yet?

[TUNGSTENGREYWIDOW]

I'm glad someone agrees with me here. As far as the emissions I should be sraight. I will get my factory 2nd cat welded to the exhaust pipe that I replaced the resinator with a while back. Besides I don't take an emissions test until 2005. I live in Ga. if you have a new car you don't have to do emissions until 3 years after purchase. Lucky me I get to polute the planet. Just my way of saying thanks for the B.S. to all of those myths of other headers, and to my lovely government for taxs. Less tax=more mods for my car every month.

[MP3-Owner]

Nope, I haven't fixed the CEL yet. I might leave it for now. It's not that big of a deal to me.

As for the whole emissions test, Lucky Floridians...No tests ever!(knock on wood) hoping it stays that way. :D

[Rawny12017]

i just spoke to an obx distributor in northern ca, i work at custom auto in oakland we deal with them, the guy said that there was only one available which was the prototype and i asked when more will come out, he said about 4-6 weeks and it is a direct bolt on to the second cat and it would be able to pass emissions...

[Matthew]

werd...now well see if they come through

[p5sundevil]

well that answers it then, I think I am going to end up going with the OBX header rather than the racingmazda.

Cost is not the only reason.

IMO the OBX intake will fit into our cars with all the hookups necessary and it will be more of a mass produced product as opposed the the racingmazda header which has to be modified(although slightly) to have the appropriate o2 and other bungs. I feel the header being developed with those already in place is a little better although the gains may not be quite as much.

Also it bolts to the 2nd cat and doesnt replace it with a straight pipe so I dont have to worry about gettin my high flo cat as son as I would normally. (I woudlnt care about the emmisions as much if cops werent pricks in my state)

well we will see anyway in 4-6 weeks.

[Matthew]

i think youll be waiting forever...

[Rider69]

AM I missing something or is the header now priced at $176 + $5 shipping? Maybe I am looking at the wrong Item, but it is #2020 OBX racing header Mazda 2.0L. The Ceramic coated one is only like $149?

[FrigginGLI]

If its that cheap I'm buying it in a heart beat.

[Protege5Lava]

Originally posted by Rider69
AM I missing something or is the header now priced at $176 + $5 shipping? Maybe I am looking at the wrong Item, but it is #2020 OBX racing header Mazda 2.0L. The Ceramic coated one is only like $149?

Looks like it...if not..shouldn't be much more than that...i'm not sure about the shippin price though :rolleyes: ...just waiting for them to make it...many have said that obx drags...:(

[Blown]

If this is the case, maybe a groupbuy should be set up?

[Matthew]

dude you need to get them to make more than ONE first

[EXA4DRIVER]

imho, OBX products are as shitty as APC.

[Blown]

It's listed at 4-6 weeks till more are made. Now, if that is a guaranteed, that would be enough time to get 10 people together, eh? However, it's been how long since OBX was supposed to have a header? 4-6 weeks might mean 4-6months.

[Matthew]

arent they the same company or one owns the other?

[FrigginGLI]

Yuck , stay away from APC products.

[Matthew]

just like arospeed...i ordered their header on June 12th...found out around July 1st, they still hadnt even produced them even though they are assigned a part number...called on July 2nd to see what the deal was, turns out they were just "gauging interest in the product"....here it is more than halfway through august, and still no arospeed header...now they are saying they might discontinue that product even though they never existed to begin with...disgusting...well, yall order the OBX headers and ill hold my breath...when you get sick of waiting, just call me little boy blue

[Protege5Lava]

Originally posted by RazorP5
dude you need to get them to make more than ONE first


^^^ah shit...that's cold...hehehe....hey OBX!! U wanna jump in on this???:D

[awdlax]

any one who thinks i am a lier can fuck off, call abtivan concepts. they have them, it has every thing you need, it replaces the first cat but not the second and you will still pass emisions i will post piics when they develope.

[Matthew]

how many more do they have

[melicha8]

Originally posted by awdlax
any one who thinks i am a lier can fuck off, call abtivan concepts. they have them, it has every thing you need, it replaces the first cat but not the second and you will still pass emisions i will post piics when they develope.

They won't pass in CA that's for damn sure if they eliminated the first cat

[ChopstickHero]

Originally posted by RazorP5
arent they the same company or one owns the other?

umm... OBX is a Taiwanese company ... some of their stuff is REALLY crappy. other's are just ok.

so i guess APC is on the same level as OBX... just made in America.

[awdlax]

maybe they only had one?!?!?! but i have it, so maybe they have zero.???

[Matthew]

you will still pass emisions

hmmm...you MAY pass a sniff test, but you will NOT pass a visual inspection...

"Under federal law, the maximum fine for removing a catalytic converter from a
vehicle is $2,750 per vehicle. The person who was responsible for taking the
catalyst off would also be required to put an appropriate catalyst back on."

[Matthew]

oh, and here ya go, from your own states emissions site:

"(a) Any person owning or operating any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine on which is installed or incorporated a system or device used to control emissions from the motor vehicle in compliance with federal motor vehicle rules shall maintain the system or device in good operable condition and shall use it at all times that the motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine is operated.

e) No person may sell, offer for sale, or use any system or device which circumvents or alters any system, device, engine, or any part thereof, installed by a vehicle manufacturer to comply with the Federal Motor Vehicle Control Program during actual in-use operation of a motor vehicle on Texas roadways. A notice of the prohibitions and requirements of this subsection shall be displayed at all motor vehicle parts, supply, repair, alternative fuel conversion, or other vehicle service facilities in Texas which sell, offer for sale, install, or offer to install any vehicle emission control, exhaust system or device, aftermarket alternative fuel conversion, or engine. The notice shall be displayed in a prominent and conspicuous location near each consumer entrance way and service counter. The notice shall read: "State law prohibits any person from selling, offering for sale, or using any system or device for the purpose of circumventing the emission control device on a vehicle or vehicle engine. State law also prohibits any person from removing or disconnecting any part of the emission control system of a motor vehicle, except to install replacement parts which are equally effective in reducing emissions. Violators are subject to penalties under the TCAA of up to $25,000 per violation." This notice shall be no smaller than 8 by 10 inches (20.32 cm by 25.4 cm) and shall be clearly visible to all customers"

[SpicyMchaggis]

yea..so emissions..are out fool

[Matthew]

yea..so emissions..are out fool

(lol)

[p5sundevil]

OBX roducts are big in the dsm tuning area, mostly because that is the application they produce almost all of their products for. I had an eclipse with OBX intake and header and they were both quality material and came with good install instructions(although I didnt need em)

As for mazda I dont think OBX is planning on doing as much as in dsm and therefor wont be puting their whole productive force behind those products, this usually means less quality.

Event hough they are damn near half the cost of the other 2 header possibilities for our cars. that si the biggest attraction for this.

Instead of calling the seller has anyone called OBX the,selves to see what the deal is? If not Ill call tomorrow while Im at work.

[Matthew]

they are closed on the weekends i was gonna call them

[melicha8]

They have been called a couple times, same as arospeed. It's the same story. Usually they say they will be ready in a month. Just search the word header on the site and you will see the same kind of thing as here except nobody ever recieved their header. Things could have changed but I remain skeptical.

[upsman]

Get the AWR racing one. Beautifully made. IF you any probs with it they will fix it for free. Great customer service. Its stainless steel btw. Turns a phatty bronze color

http://www.cardomain.com/id/sport20.

[p5sundevil]

well from what I have seen this racingmazda header is as good if not better than the AWr and less expensive.

Its just that 200$ price tag on the OBX that keeps catching my eye. We will see, if they sold the prototype I would hope that would be reason for them to start producing, but like has been said we have all heard that before.

I will keep my fingers crossed but if I dont find out for sure from OBX in the next couple days I will sign up on the RM header GB.

[awdlax]

i can get my hands on a digi camera today, hopefully, then ill post pics

[awdlax]

here are some pics,

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[p5sundevil]

very nice ride man, The header looks really nice and almost looks copper colored, i like it.

I just hope they follow through on the 4-6 week deal they said, but who knows.

BTW, thrown a cel yet? or did you do the fic first. Might not have to since the 2nd cat is still there. hm

[awdlax]

I gutted the 2nd i made a sim for 5 bucks from radioshack

[ALLMAN]

To answer the members questions on material differences between Stainless Steel and Ceramic Coated is this:

1. First to cermaic coat a metal would typically mean the metal material itself is a carbon based steel...like a mild steel...where the steel doesn't have any corrosive resisant ability

2. Now S.S. has excellent corrosive resistance properties and strength....although there are levels of S.S. like the 300 & 400 series metals

3. Cermaic coating on metals provide protection and heat transfer...although not tremendously helpful on cheap headers...but something well coated like the space shuttle that has the ceramic tiles that keep the shuttle from buring up upon re-entry...meaning the concept works....just usually cheaply applied on headers

4. Personally....the bang for your dollar is a well fabricated cermaic coated header inside and out w/ mild carbon steel ....again if well done will not rust or change color under heat influence..plus reduced engine temperature under the hood...although not very realistic in nature but more in theory with these type applications.

Peace!

[Matthew]

Get the AWR racing one. Beautifully made

too much money for what you get. theyre hosing people because up to recently, they were the only full length header available for our car...now for 150 bucks less you can also get the test pipe.

[p5sundevil]

well I am still on the fence, sorta.

My dad flew up today to drive down with me since it is a 24hour drive I have ahead of me and we got to talkin. He has been an engineer in the auto industry for 20+ yrs now, the last 15 of which for jaguar cars.

Anyway found out he has a buddy who has been building header(s) and exhaust systems for imports for a long time so I might sell my ractive catback(still new in box) and then have him custom build the header and exhuast all at once, that way I can get whatever I want and he will used the approprite piping and everything for each particular application.

Also he knows a guy that can do a nice port and polish for relatively cheap. SO that may be the route I will go, Ill know for sure in about 3-4 days.

[Matthew]

what kinda price on a port and polish? just curious cause im gonna be in AZ next july and trying to get an idea

[p5sundevil]

well Im driving back down there tomorrow and will be making phone calls about the exhaust, header and the port&polish this last week of august.

Ill get you the info as soon as I get some basic pricing numbers from the guy. Both guys are highly recommended, like I said they have both be doing these specific mods to imports for a long time anywhere for honda ricers to ferraris and other dream machines.

Im lookin forward to the headwork and header, should see some nice gains.

[SpicyMchaggis]

so im failing to understand why I can't just get the racingmazda.com header..weld in a test pipe with the pre-cat. run a mid pipe with the main cat..then just cut down the cat-back piping to fit the exhaust..so will this work? let me know..

[Matthew]

your pre-cat is in front of the engine...you can weld in a cat to the test pipe...i GUESS you could put a high flow cat in the main pipe, i never thought of that...but im not sure how that would work with o2 sensors and what not...you could do that, plug in your o2 sensor in the first spot, and have a bung welded onto the main pipe and relocate the second o2 sensor after the 1st cat...kinda expensive though, in my opinion if you have to pass emissions, spend a few hours each year or every few years to switch back to the stock setup to pass...

[p5sundevil]

well with the RM header should you not pass if you have a high flow or any cat welded into the test pipe? I thought to pass all you needed was one cat(I mean sniff test not visual)?

hehe, I leave for my 24hour road trip in 2 hours.

[tonkabui]

razor,

does the stock heat shield fit the header? it'll look more stock this way, i think. from what i've seen, the visual test consists more of the underneath of your car. here in arizona, when i went with my friend to get smogged in order to get a permit for parking in the garages on campus, they opened the hood, then closed it. she's running full long tubes up to a high flow on her SS, so it shouldn't have passed the visual, but he made no mention of it.

[Matthew]

no the heat shield bolts into the stock exhaust manifold, whereas there are no spots to do that on the rm header

[p5sundevil]

tonkabui, ASU main? My little brother starts his first semester there this next week, he's in the material engineering program or soemthing like that.

Im driving back down from WA to AZ(actually leaving in 10 minutes) to finish my last semester at the East Campus then I graduate in december.

You go there also or just your friend?

[tonkabui]

oh hellls no. you won't catch me dead around asu, especially with my arizona sticker. my shit will get keyed with a quickness. i go to the u of a down here in lowly tucson. 73 more credits and another bachelor's under my belt. this time around i'm going for my physiological sciences bachelor with a minor in chemistry and molecular biology.

[cdglowp5]

tonkabui,

The 93-96 ford probe with the fs 2.0L motor came with a header from the factory, but the pipes were so small coming from the exhaust ports. They had the shield covers also. When I got my cams from a probe fs to get regrind I discovered this.

Chris

[p5sundevil]

lol, UofA, hehe good school but shitty town, not that I can say much about ASU east cause it is not exactly near anything good but I work right next to the campus so oh well.

Thats alot of school man, I am starting my last semester tomorrow and in december Im done with my BS degree in business with my concentration in golf management(meaning I have also done all the work for the PGA to become a class A professional within 3-6 months of graduation)

Each school is good in its respective majors, when I was thinking about physical therapy I got accepted to UofA and NAU, NAU had a really really good program for physical therapy but I heard by the time I would have gotten done it would have become a very commercial industry.

[tonkabui]

can't beat it for the price, just wondering if there are any new developments in the production of said piece. if not, i'm going wagner all the way, getting a shorty header, enlarged downpipe with high flow cat and midpipe with high flow cat. it'll be crazy expensive, but i won't have to feel bad for throwing out pollution worse than an SUV. plus, the gains should be quite nice.

[tonkabui]

yeah, i chose U of A cause they have a very well established oncology department. outside california, they're top notch. but hopefully, i can do well and get to ucla so i can pursue my pediatric oncology certificate. that would be sweet. i'll start crazy modding the p5 after that. hee hee... give me 6 years.


Originally posted by p5sundevil
lol, UofA, hehe good school but shitty town, not that I can say much about ASU east cause it is not exactly near anything good but I work right next to the campus so oh well.

Thats alot of school man, I am starting my last semester tomorrow and in december Im done with my BS degree in business with my concentration in golf management(meaning I have also done all the work for the PGA to become a class A professional within 3-6 months of graduation)

Each school is good in its respective majors, when I was thinking about physical therapy I got accepted to UofA and NAU, NAU had a really really good program for physical therapy but I heard by the time I would have gotten done it would have become a very commercial industry.

[p5sundevil]

yah I have thought alot about the next few yrs and see how things go, basically in the golf industry they look for 3 things..class A status in the PGA which requires passing all three levels of their program(a 3-6yr deal normally), a college degree, usually business now because of how much more merchandising is involded in the head professionals and director of golf/GM jobs today.

So this program is actually 4 and a half yrs because part of the PGA thing is 12 months of internship which 9 of which can be done summers between school yrs (meaning ur really doing school yr round, but internship) and testing and seminars for each of the 3 levels, this is incorporated into the school program (Professional Golf Management) as well as the usuall ASU 4yr BS in business degree. Alot of electives are free choice so I filled mine with alot of industry related classes.

I am sooooo looking forward to being done getting in at a good level in the industry and strat movin up to the big bux. I just got back tonight from driving for 2 days from redmond washington to here, phx, because that was where my last internship was, helping open a new golf course for the company I work for to ensure my future with them.

Oh yah you also have to pass a play ability test which is 36 holes of golf in 1 day with a max allowment of 4-5 over each round depending on the course, normally im a 7 handicap so I am pushing myself hard here.

hehe, im rambling because im tired, left sacremento at 9 got to phx at 7.

put my DaveB gauge rings in tonight, tomorrow goes in the kartboy SS, city lights, eibach pro kit and a really good car wash and cleaning. =) plus three classes on the first day =) als have my ractice exhaust sitting here on my floor, im waiting cause I may have a hookup to custom fab one for my car the same time he makes a header.