update on blown motor

[Turbo Matty P]

For those who still remember me or still care. I'm currently in legal action with MNOA about my MSP motor. With 3500miles the headgasket blew causing coolant to fill the combustion chambers, breaking 2 rods and bending 2 more. Mazda corporate has declined to cover this under warranty for very specific reasons. However, none of the reasons they've given me had anything to do with the headgasket failure. I was told my warranty was voided due to an aftermarket air filter (non-K&N), the removal of the sound resonator in the exhaust (all behind the emssions control system), and the uneven tire wear on my front tires which was supposed to indicate my "abuse" of the vehicle. I informed the regional rep that if they were denying my warranty due to my modifications he must prove to me that what I've done caused my head gasket failure. He informed me that ,"He didn't have to tell me a damn thing." That was just about all of my dealings with MNOA, now I have 3 attorneys who are taking depositions from experts and engineers. Do not take your vehicle into a dealership for ANY work with modifications of ANY kind. Mazda will record this on your file and should a problem arise later on they will deny you flat out. Also, dealerships will talk to each other, so don't try taking it to another local dealer. I say this from the vantage point of someone on the ropes. Mod the hell outta these cars, just don't count on your warranty. I would much rather drive this car with 270whp and no warranty than 148whp and a 50K mile buffer. Now for the good stuff.....

I'm building a new motor to replace my 2.0. I've gotten a 2.3L engine from an '03 Mazda 6i. We've pulled the internals and replaced them forged rods, pistons and crank running 8.5:1 compressions. This was a big jump from the 9.7:1 it came with stock. The ehxuast manifold is being hand made to accept the Garret T-25 from the MSP. The most difficult part we anticipate will be the electronics. the 6i uses a drive-by-wire system and the Protege doesn't. I'm trying to retain the good things about the 6i when incorporating it into the new body. I have a feeling you guys are going to be pretty impressed when I get it all together. The stock 6i made almost identical power numbers to our MSP's, so by adding the turbo and a healthy dose of boost (I'm guessing 16-19psi) I should be making some great times. The 6i cam with 166hp and 155lb/ft, thats only 4hp and 5lb/ft difference between the two. For you gearheads out there, you might appreciate my first project motor for this car was a 220Hp 3.0L Yamaha engine from a Taurus SHO. I used this motor to outrun Z-28's and Cobra's at my local track. My next idea that didn't make it past conception was converting to RWD. The suspensions just too nice to screw up with a heavy V6 or RWD set-up.

This is getting pretty long. Just wanted to give you guys something to flame about! Wish me luck with my project!

Turbo Matty P

[EVILSRT]

So they said no and you got fucked? Are you going to make them pay then?

[1sty]

Good luck on the legal struggle. I can't tell you enough how AWSOME it will be to have legal precidence that Exhuast and intake modification can not effect engine longevity.

[Turbo Matty P]

They said, "No". So now we're going to court. Don't expect "legal precednt" to be made over me and my problems! I'm sure that this has been done to death before! They seem to think they know something that I don't. It'll be interesting to see what they try. However, I don't see this going to court. I see Mazda settling in the 4th round! Also, if anyone is interested I have the dyno charts and the wideband 02 readings showing our fuel problems. I will get these scanned and posted or I can fax copies of it.

[122 Vega]

Not "legal precidence" but "Non mutual colateral estoppel" means that if it is found in court that it is not the intake's (which it is likely not) fault, it can become highly probable evidence in other jurisdictions that do not already have precedence in thier own jurisdictions. Which could help us all in similar cases.

Good luck with this, remeber Mazda does not want to set precendence, because if they do, that will open the door for all of us to put intakes on without fear. They will settle out of court, stick to your guns get good experts and they will replace your engine. Only 2-3% of cases actually go to court, all others get settled out of court.

Britt (marry a lawyer, she'll always be on permanent retainer)

[Turbo Matty P]

I'm fairly sure it's going to settle. The only possible snag could be if Mazda has installed the "little black box" in these cars and not told anyone. I've seen those destroy more than a couple of cases!

[122 Vega]

Why worry about the box? How modded are you? If you have anythin to hide, then it shouldn't be warranty anyways. Keep 'em in court for a few years arguing the constitutionallity of retrieving black box info from your personal car...

Britt

[Turbo Matty P]

I was "modded", but nothing they can prove in court. I was under the impression that I was innocent until proven guilty. Mazda seems to think they're going to be able to justify my lack of warranty with ANY modifications made. From my understanding of the law thats not the case. They are only allowed to void the warranty on the part that was modified. So if my MAF meter were to short out they could conceivably void it because of my filter. Likewise, if my muffler was to blow off the car they would have grounds to deny me a new muffler due to the lack of resonator. However, by the same token, they cannot refuse warranty of my calipers sticking because I have an intake on the car. The big problem here is that I'm not trying to get a $25 muffler or a $15 caliper. I'm trying to get a $4200 motor. I bet they're going to fight this untill their legal expenses are higher than the cost of the motor!

[mp5]

I believe all obdII cars have the "little black box" that records the last 20 seconds of vehicle operation and it has something to do with the airbag system. Manufactors claimed that it was incorporated in new cars to help prevent litigation in air bag related injuries. So as long as you drive the car normally for more than 20 seconds before they have access to it, they wouldn't find anything.

[Turbo Matty P]

ever seen A motor sling some rods? Theres no running anything after that. Hell, it took 20seconds for the dust to settle! Still, My car was in the shop for a week before the regional rep ever got to lok at it. In the meantime I'm sure a mazda tech would've tried pulling any usefull info like that out. The truth is that Mazda sees me as a punk racer who got what I deserved and they got out of having to paying the dealers techs WHEN something goes wrong on it. We all know theres going to be plenty of problems with these cars. I used to work at Mitsubishi and I couldn't recall seeing so many turbo cars with everything leaking, stinking, shrieking. They're just trying to cut their loses early on.

[pdhaudio83]

yes, and you know whats next obdIII supposed to be in by '04- they SAY that the computer will be able to "talk" to the dealer or a big brother say, about an emissions problem. you'd have 30 days to fix it. THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH GOVERNMENTAL INTERFERENCE NOW!!! :mad:

[Turbo Matty P]

where did you hear that from??

[PaulMP3]

will the 2.3 mate to our trannies??

[Dr.Sound]

dood, all i can wish you is luck.......

luck with the case and the new swap :)

[ChopstickHero]

fight it to the end. you are repping "us" the little guys (and gals) against a corporate giant. they're trying to disprove the slogan "customer is always right". put them in their place and make sure you tell them that the "customer is always right".

[Turbo Matty P]

the 2.3L will bolt up to the tranny with an adapter plate I had to make. It was fairly easy but seeing as how our cars are limited production I didn't figure anyone else would want to do a swap. If anyone is interested I can get you the demensions for making the adapter.

[pluto316]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
the 2.3L will bolt up to the tranny with an adapter plate I had to make. It was fairly easy but seeing as how our cars are limited production I didn't figure anyone else would want to do a swap. If anyone is interested I can get you the demensions for making the adapter.


Shit? Really? Damn that sounds like a good swap for a P5.. Would that work? TELL ME MORE.

[Heathen23]

Not to be a jerk but didn't you up your boost w/o a boost gauge and then you tried to blame it on something else? I could be wrong and maybe I'm mistaking you for someone else but I wouldn't warentee your car either if that's the case. If I'm wrong and need to pull this post I will.

[igdrasil]

This swap is interesting, you should post a new thread and talk about it, show som pics and stuff.

[girth]

Originally posted by Heathen23
Not to be a jerk but didn't you up your boost w/o a boost gauge and then you tried to blame it on something else? I could be wrong and maybe I'm mistaking you for someone else but I wouldn't warentee your car either if that's the case. If I'm wrong and need to pull this post I will.

I'm not sure Heathen but I believe TurboMatty was the one who upped his boost and then did a dyno run and blew his engine on a boost spike. If I remember correctly, it was 1 day before JoeP was going to do his latest dyno run and it made Joe worry a little -- but eventually I think Joe even said Matt had nobody to blame but himself.

If I'm wrong on this, PLEASE disregard my post because I do NOT know for sure and I mean no disrespect to TurboMatty -- we need people like him to test the limits for us. However, if it's your fault it blew then you should take responsibility for it.

[girth]

Hmm, I did find the old thread about this. Long story short, I don't know anything and won't say anything further -- just keep us updated on the status Matty because it is interesting.

Here's the original thread if anyone's interested....better hope Mazda's lawyers don't read it.
http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?threadid=23227&perpage=15&highlight=blew%20my%20engine&pagenumber=5

[Turbo Matty P]

I did blow the motor on the dyno. However it wasn't a boost spike or damage caused by not having a boost gauge prior to this. The car drove normally until getting on the dyno. On the dyno the top hose on the radiator blew off and spewed some coolant on the motor. We cleaned it up, topped it back off and drove it for a while to make sure there were no problems. 4 pulls later the coolant just gets sucked in there and pop. Anyone else on these boards spike 14psi before? If so, whats the condition of your headgasket? I bet it's intact. My situation boils down to mazda not having proof that I've upped the boost on the motor (if I had!). They told me, and I quote, "We know what you did and you know what you did." I said, "Well why don't you tell me what I did?" they replied, " I don't have to tell you a damn thing." They have no proof of anything other than my exhaust and intake. Truth be told, the splice in the vaccuum line was used for a temporary boost gauge. So mazda can officially eat me, on the record.

As far as taking responsibility for "it" goes, I'm spending my life savings right now building and performing a custom motor swap for giggles!! It would be nothing for me to petition the dealership for the new block. I could care less about a stock MSP motor. I'm going to use the chasis (best FWD chasis made) for a motor that will actually push the car to it's limits. I'm just pissed they've got nothing to harrass me about and they're trying it anyway. Side note: when I get mazda to give me a stock replacement motor, does anyone want it? I figure it would make for an awesome P5 swap if you have a DFI computer.

[Heathen23]

I wish you luck! Let us know how it turns out. Oh, and thanks for the updates.

[1sty]

I GOT DIBS ON THE ENGINE!!

[girth]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
... So mazda can officially eat me, on the record...


(lol)
I agree -- and unless Mazda has some VERY easy way for them to prove you wrong, there's no way they're going to waste their time on a cheap engine like ours. It's much cheaper for them to just give in.

Just curious, what do you think about what BoostIsGood said in that other thread -- about Mazda being able to plug into the ECU and tell exactly what you did? That sounds reasonable to me.

[Turbo Matty P]

the ECU isn't a data storage unit to my knowledge. That requires some sort of special hardware like a hard drive if its anything like GM's. The only thing the ECU will tell mazda is what my CEL was when the motor blew...."Random Multiple Misfires" I wan't Mazda to try to blame THAT on me!

[low_psi]

well, lets just say that Mazda will find a way to link the problem to you upping the boost. you will lose. they also read this board :)

[Midnight22]

damn, that 2.3L motor swap has def caught my attention, that sounds sweet, im gonna keep tabs on it

[ebsalem]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
the ECU isn't a data storage unit to my knowledge. That requires some sort of special hardware like a hard drive if its anything like GM's. The only thing the ECU will tell mazda is what my CEL was when the motor blew...."Random Multiple Misfires" I wan't Mazda to try to blame THAT on me!

ain't no need for a hard drive to store data. Ever used a digital camera? Data storage is easily done with a chip.

They may not know your boost at failure, but you're busted. Certainly the ECU stores a coolant loss and most probably stores changes in intake pressure vs. fuel use.

You bought a car, modded it and now want somebody else to pay for your engineering failures. Grow up!

(For the record, since we all know the Leagal types read this list, I've got a KN filter.)

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[Striker187]

well your situation sucks...but the motor swap sounds tite. but small comment/question. doesn't a t25 seem a little small for a 2.3L engine? it's already small on a the stock 2L. did you consider going with maybe a t28 or t3/t4 or the gt25r? :D

[unwrittenLaw]

Some people act like judge and jury. We don't need the voice of morality in here..let him and Mazda figure it out. I've spiked to 12-14 a lot and no blown head gaskets. I'm not saying whos right and whos wrong, I'm just saying we dont need a bunch of narcs in here..

[YuYuRena]

T25 isn't too small on the 2L. Bigger turbo is more important for larger flow rate and pressure ratio.

And I got some doubts about that motor swap. not trying to rain on your parade, but I'm an engineer so I always look at both side. The 2.3L sounds cool upping the displacement = more power & tq. Here's comes the but, how about the weight issue and most importantly the weight distribution plus the wheel base issue. This is more a concern on the effect of handling. I think with the car being more front heavy, the steering might not be so neutral anymore and the car would plow like a fat kid.

And how have you lowered compression? thicker gasket or piston? Ever consider combustion chamber design?

I like what you doing, and just curious 1. how did u get a 6i engine? And 2. what were you planning on that RWD conversion?

[boostisgood]

Well, I posted my comments on this situation, but retracted them.

Matty, shame on you. That is all Im going to say.

[Turbo Matty P]

I love the way you people are turning on me like I'm a thief! I'm the enemy here! I could care less if Mazda partrols these boards. Nothing I say on here will hold up in court. ON THE RECORD: I lie a lot. I also assassignated John F. Kennedy. Bea Arthur is my love slave, shes naked in my kitchen right now! Use that in court. They have to PROVE without a doubt that something I did caused engine failure. They cannot. I'm not the bad guy here. I'm using a technicality just like anyone of you would in my situation.

As far as the 2.3 6i engine goes: It was pulled from a new car due to a faulty vvt oil clutch. It's the part on the camshaft that actually engages and applies the VVT. It was very easy to replace, but the original owner did not want a "damaged" motor in her car so Mazda gave here a new motor for free. I bought this motor off them for $500. The motor is almost exactly the same size as the 2.0 motor. Displacement is not based on the outward appearance of the size of the motor. It's the volume of the combustion chamber. There is no extra weight switching to the 2.3 motor. That's the reason I've chosen to use that motor as opposed to my 300+ hp Yamaha V6. I wanted something to make good power but not drag the front end. So taking a more advanced 4cyl., securing it's internals and boosting the hell out of it was the way to go. You sure can't stroke a 2.0L MSP motor for $500! This is still a work in progress so I'm not sure what the outcome will be, but if it's good I'd like to submit it to Sport Compact Car and let them review it like they do the Vishnu STi and stuff. I think it would be nice to see an MSP 0-60 in the 5's!

But hey, I'm just the bad guy here.

[Ryan]

^lol...

i was running 15psi last night no problems, but i didn't run it for longer than you would have dyno'd ur car. I can garentee it was something faulty from the start, but if i were you, the first time the coolant leaked i woulda said wtf, removed any mod's i had taken it to the dealer and told them it happened on the road, but hell now, if you go in court and win, were all set, maybe mazda will turn around and start helping, kinda like honda.
I have a friend that did some mods to his honda took it to the dealer and the techs were like sweet and giving him advice on what else would improve the cars performance. I just wish mazda had more of a possitive outlook. I mean dont get me wrong, if you replace a part, then that part should be voided from the warrenty. and they should not ever void the complete warranty. Unless you completely and physically replace every part of the engine. A few mazda salemen have been at the last few meets i was at and saw the things on my car. The first one said you know u've just about voided all parts of your car. I laughed at him and said prove that the parts i added would cause any problem. he couldn't. The next meet another mazda guy showed up, he supposidly worked on the cars. looked at my car, was checking it out. He's like yanno there gonna give u shit if u go in for warranty work. I said i know. He goes but, just to let u know they have to physically PROVE that whatever u did caused the problem. If they cant, they have to fix it. So i really dunno what to believe.

but personally i really dont give a shit if i have a warrenty or not. If i wanna change something on my car im gonna change it... im not gonna sit around and say oh,, i gonna wait 2 years till warranty is up then mod it.. screw that. in two years im probably gonna want a different car, and if i dont want a different car, i'll probably still buy a different car, and leave this one sitting in the garage, and use the new one as a daily driver.

[YuYuRena]

So the same engine block with longer stroke? and 500 bucks nice fine.

[Turbo Matty P]

no different blocks, but the size is almost identical. Also, it's all aluminum so its a bit lighter, except for all the additional computer wiring.

[Fëakhelek]

Here's another possible problem with the swap. How will the VVT respond to boost? I personally don't know but I wouldn't imagine that you can just turbo it as is. I wonder, what are you going to use for an ECU? Sounds like you've got a challenge ahead of you. Good luck and keep us posted.

[Turbo Matty P]

the stock MSP motor has vvt. Turbo does nothing to affect it as far as I know. vvt only switches cam profiles in the upper rpm range for performance.

[YuYuRena]

ahhh got it, thanx sounds good, how about center of gravity? j/k just keep me posted on how u doing with that baby.

[1sty]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
the stock MSP motor has vvt. Turbo does nothing to affect it as far as I know. vvt only switches cam profiles in the upper rpm range for performance.

Unless my head has been firmly implanted in my ass for 2 years, the MSP has the same engine as any protege since 2001. Also unless my head was frimly inplanted in my ass, that engine does not have VVT. Only the new Mazda 6 engines do.

I will admit, my head being inplanted in my ass for 2 years is entirely possible.

[Turbo Matty P]

you dont feel the camchange-over at 4K?? Am I making this up? Why do all of the MSP ads talk about it? I may be wrong also. I to have "rectal-cranial inversion".

[1sty]

To all that I have ever read, I am 100% certina the cams n the MSP are the same as those of the regular protege infact its the same engine through and through. Pistons rods cams, everything is identical. The MSP just has a turbo bolted to it.

[Turbo Matty P]

huh, I'm going to do some research and see what I can find out.

[igdrasil]

Hey, I do also feel that change, when I was N/A and when turbo, sometimes that suddent pull is noticed. But thats not vvt.
It has something to do with the plates inside the intake manifold and the fuel delivery changes....

[YuYuRena]

With whatever the marketing people called the intake runner change thing. Open up the hood and look on the left side of the bay. It's on the front side of the intake manifold (front i mean where all the belts are driven). There's a little throttle body ish thing that you can pull that changes the intake runner length, and i think that's what you're calling the changes in 4K. And as for the cams thing, the vvt means variable valve timing right? That's like a cam gear that changes timing?

[Turbo Matty P]

oh, you're right. Thats the DSI, dual stage intake. it has 8 different runners in the intake manifold at 4K rpms the shutter opens short runners to promote higher rpm power. Damn, I guess I need to schedule an appointment with my doctor to have "Anal-cranium removal"

[yashooa]

Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
Unless my head has been firmly implanted in my ass for 2 years, the MSP has the same engine as any protege since 2001. Also unless my head was frimly inplanted in my ass, that engine does not have VVT. Only the new Mazda 6 engines do.

I will admit, my head being inplanted in my ass for 2 years is entirely possible.

Damn, 1sty I'm really starting to like you. Humble and funny and yet just the right twang of insult. :p


Good luck with your swapped motor "Frankin-Speed" Turbo Mattificus. (rockon) (usa)

[redrims]

so I'm guessing this swap was a no go...

[Turbo Matty P]

old old old.....the swap is off. It has been for almost 3-4 months!! Already worked a deal out with mazda. They swapped me a brand new loaded P5. I'm done franken-stiening mazdas. I'm working on a different project now.

[RX-KEVIN]

like what?

[pluto316]

Turbo-charged P5.

[Turbo Matty P]

nope...selling the P% (hopefully!) for a 93 R1 FD3S. I'll let you know how it goes!

[Captain KRM P5]

j00 r0x0r matty

[Captain KRM P5]

whatever happened, BTW, to that local 323??

[Turbo Matty P]

The guy didn't want to budge any and I was able to purchse a an 88 Thunderchicken with forged internals, C4 w/shift kit and 8.8" rear with 4.10 gears for $300. I decided to spend my money on it. My wife says if I can sell my P5 or get someone to take up payments I can go and buy the FD. I'm going to look at it tomorrow at noon. The guy selling it is the Vice President of the Alabama RX7 club. Very credible and trustworthy!

[slug420]

didnt read all this but.........why not go with a turbo built for the 2.3l motor? you would make much more power and it seems liek it would be easier than adapting our lil guy to the bigger motor

[slug420]

lol, NM

[Turbo Matty P]

um....I bought the turbocoupe for a swap into my 1976 Mustang II body. It currently has a 2.3 carb-turbo motor I was making the swap over to EFI for a drag car.

I own several cars. The Protege is just a daily driver.

[zoomzoom02]

damn

[Turbo Matty P]

you need to PM me....mazda likes trolling these boards for people like us!

[viVid]

A dealer cannot deny warranty service simply due to the fact you have aftermarket parts installed. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 protects consumers from such abuse. The dealer has to prove that the aftermarket part caused the problem to deny warranty service. However, as this article points out, it can get a little tricky and you have to be prepared to make your case (it's from a WRX site, but the principles are the same for any car):

http://www.fastwrx.com/wilthesparvo.html

Here's more info on unfair warranty denial and what you can do about it:

http://www.sema.org/content/?ID=22237&criteria=warranty+act

[Turbo Matty P]

uhuh....and you've taken a dealer and MNOA to court?

Who's advice would you rather have? Someone that has actually done it or someone who read something on the internet?

[viVid]

Wow, I must have broken the 11th commandment... never take advice from anyone other than Turbo Matty P! :)

Seriously though, it was not my intention to step on your shlong. You give good advice and have experience to back it up. However, some people don't have a clue about this shit and when the dealer denies a warrantly claim for their water pump because they installed a shift knob, they don't know what to do. I just thought those two links might help explain thier options.

[Turbo Matty P]

Whats going to happen is that some of these people are going to go into their dealerships and think the Magnasson Moss act is going to do anything for them. You think after the RX-7's and miata's that the dealership doesn't know about the Magnusson Moss act? They know about it and they know how to discount it.

I'm just trying not to give anyone a false sense of hope. Anyone that asks me advice I tell the same thing:

Do not go to the dealer for anything. Once your warranty runs out you should never go back. The dealer can deny your warranty even if you don't mod your car. They know that you aren't going to actually get them into a courtroom. they will wait you out and put you off and make it so damn frustrating that you give up.

Dealers suck. I wouldn't buy cars from them if I could buy direct from the manufacturer. Here in Bama we can buy the Mercedes SUV straight from the factory for a set percentage over cost. It's very cheap and MUCH cheaper than going to the Mercedes dealer in B'ham.

in summation: STAY AWAY FROM THE DEALER DEALER = EVIL ASS INVADERS

[viVid]

I understand your frustration and you are correct about dealers... they do suck. One problem with this country is that when it comes to civil court, he with the most money _usually_ wins. To be honest, my P5 the first brand new car I have ever purchased. I purchased it through carsdirect.com, which was the best thing I ever did. The only thing I had to go to the dealer for was to sign papers and pick up my car. However, I think buying a new car for the warranty is a crock and I certainly never pay for an extended warranty!

I don't ever think that being educated as to what your rights are is a bad idea. Whether you actually RECEIVE those rights is a whole other story. Looks like you did get some kind of settlement from Mazda though, if I followed this thread correctly (a good thing). Of course, you didn't say how much it cost you (in time or money) and I'm not sure a straight across trade for a P5 was completely equitable.

[Turbo Matty P]

I consider my swap from MSP to loaded P5 almost dead even. Sticker price was the exact same! I however wanted my old turbo, intercooler, and plumbing off of the MSP (since they claimed to be putting a 100% crate motor in it...yeah right!). They denied. I even offered to pay for it and they wanted like $3200 extra for it all. I told them to eat me and give me the keys. I'm happy with the P5, but as we speak I'm looking to sell it. As of a week ago I'm only $399 upside down on this car. I can sell it and buy the 93 FD3S R1 RX-7 I want. Sure it's not as pracitical, but who is going to argue over 5.9s 0-60 and a 13.6s quarter??

[mp5jeff]

have you owned a fd before matty?

[Turbo Matty P]

I owned one for 2 months....I got pulled over 5 times...no tickets, just harrassed. Wifey got mad....said it had to go. Luckily a friend who was moving down south just took over payments on it.

[03MSPRO]

I know this is old, but I find it hard to belive that Mazda blame the motor blowing on a K&N filter and no resonator. Maybe they COULD by looking at the tire wear. Subaru dealerships do that also.
I also have a K&N drop in filter and full DP back exhaust. The dealership told me it was OK as long as I don't increase the boost and mess with the IC or vacuum lines.
I think the P5's are very nice, but the are way underpowered, IMO. Yes, I have driven them.

[igdrasil]

Originally posted by 03MSPRO

I think the P5's are very nice, but the are way underpowered, IMO. Yes, I have driven them.

mine isnt...

http://igdrasil.web1000.com/p5track4.wmv

http://igdrasil.web1000.com/p5track6.wmv

[ebsalem]

Not saying dealers aren't a problem, but you might want to find a different dealer.

The local MSP dealer in Omaha, NE is pretty cool. the service manager and I talked about mods to my MSP and he pretty much spelled out what would be a problem if there was a claim; altered boost, changes to the emissions, changes to the engine's internals and that was about it.

[03MSPRO]

1 other dealer also told me a about changes to the emissions and that my exhaust could void my warranty because I replaced the original emission controls. Why is that?

[03MSPRO]

Originally posted by igdrasil
mine isnt...

http://igdrasil.web1000.com/p5track4.wmv

http://igdrasil.web1000.com/p5track6.wmv

your is not stock :p

[Turbo Matty P]

no K&N filter....K&N is garbage. I was very clear to specify non-K&N becuase I have seen K&N filters with excessive oiling cause MAF problems.

My dealer knew me and knew my history of racing other vehicles. The MSP was no different and they knew it.

[twiztedjeckel]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
My dealer knew me and knew my history of racing other vehicles. The MSP was no different and they knew it.

bitches,all of em! wait till i post my 3 page manifesto that i've written to Mazda about my blown engine and turbo. maybe it'll get me somewhere,maybe it won't. only time will tell. now i've just got to get these other copies done up for the local paper,BBB and Attorney generals office.(rant)

[Turbo Matty P]

the BBB won't get you far unless you're just reporting the individual dealership. The attorney generals office is a great motivator for getting their wheels turning. I had to threaten to do it here. Also, just for giggles when you contact your local newspaper find out if you can have the entire page opposite their weekly ad. Have a short (but descriptive) story of your situation. In your graphic make sure to have huge arrows pointing over to the dealers ad. Make sure the word lemon appears several times in large bold font. List a phone number for people to inquire about your problem....that number should be the direct line to the sales managers desk at the dealership!

Damn I'm a dick!!

[twiztedjeckel]

my local paper and the local paper in the city where the dealership is are 2 different.

the car was 1900 miles over and 5 days short to be considered a lemon. damn the luck!

we'll see where my letters get me. its someplace to start. there's nothing saying i'll even hear anything back but its worth a shot. i don't want my car nor do i feel comfterable driving it anymore. not knowing when the car is going to make one bad ping or stumble and cambooom goes the ex-clunking orange cunt.

watch them send me a coupon for a free oil change or something from my dealership. fuck you very much Mazda. i'll fly out to cali and lite it on fire then shit on it on their front door step

[Turbo Matty P]

Just give mazda the "shocker"!! Two in the pink and 1 in the stink!!

[igdrasil]

hey, what you guys think about my warranty?

I dont have a KN filter on the intake, i just have:

Intake pipe with a BOV, then the FMIC, then another pipe, a turbo compressor then another intake pipe that holds the MAF and then a cheap ass filter.

Looks like the cheap filter is going to void my warranty isnt it?

[twiztedjeckel]

why would you even bother posting that?

[nictlg7]

**I was wondering how many engines have blown so far? How many blown engines have we all heard of so far?**
I should have updated everyone sooner on my situation. Here it is though, I blew my engine over the holiday. I have had mine in the shop since the first week I bought it complaining of coolant leaks, hesitation, grinding noises, etc. It was revving high, and so we decided to take it to a better dealership (Browning in Cerritos), since Don Kott (Carson) lost its franchise. (Go figure, the Pre-Delivery inspection was done terribly, they didn't even fill my washer fluid or check that leak in the coolant, or clean the black sticky stuff from my paint) At any rate, the car died on the way to Browning, and had to be towed there. A clutch, throw out bearing, some radiator hoses, and coolant hoses all were replaced, and the flywheel resurfaced. The car went in on a Monday, I got it back Thursday night. Friday night, I drove from California to Las Vegas (about 4 hours). With average highway speeds, the engine blew a hole in the rod. I have never taken my car to the track or even street raced anyone. So there is no way they can say it was customer abuse. They are saying some ground straps were disconnected, and my gauges and oil cap were "modifications" that may have changed settings. BS...Anyone have any input, has anyone been able to overcome these problems?

[inis]

i've had same problem happen with me with my zx2 and ford..at 19k i had alot of previous problems they did fix but the blown tranny they wouldnt...zx2 tranny is alot weaker then msp...but anyways i had to fix it myself no lawyer would help....and lesson learned is call your loan company they can stop payments til car is fixed or even fight mazda for you, ie ford credit will fight ford even though they own each other..
gotta run ..good luck
Jarred

[nictlg7]

**For those who have had problems with dealers making assumptions about our driving style or modifications before doing an actual diagnosis of the real problem, read my thread about Courtesy Mazda. It may help you with Mazda CA**

I am another one currently going through this. My engine/turbo/etc. is Bone Stock! I had 4100 miles, 3 months old, and my engine blew. However, in my case, I complained of grinding noises and hesitation and coolant leaks from the first week I had my car home. It was only a matter of time before something happened with my car. Also, my flywheel had just been resurfaced, throw out bearing and clutch replaced, coolant hoses and radiator tube replaced, and an oil changed performed. I had it back from that repair for about 24 hours when the engine went. They are guessing there is a hole in a rod, but they haven't even diagnosed it. It died Dec. 19...whats is today? ;(

[mazdaman_49]

SO YOU BOOSTED WITHOUT A BOOST GAGE!?

WHy did u do that?
MY BOOST GAGE ALWAYS READS FOR ME