WRX STi Or Mazdaspeed Protge ????????

[orng_mazdaspeed]

i was just wonderin what u guys thought was better. a wrs sti or an msp. me myself am in love with the sti and i think it could take my brothers msp any day of the week and twice on sunday. i mean what can beat a stock car with 300hp and 300 ft-lbs of torque. i think it will take it im straight line and anything else you can trow them head-to-head into. but thats just my opinion.

[grishulia]

I'd take even regular WRX over MSP...

[jred321]

is it even a comparison stock for stock? factor in the extra $12k, then you'll have a competition, but awd is always nice to have

[REMillers]

Eh? Is there a comparions across such a different market segment?
But if you aren't looking at it in that respect then probably the STI even though I like the EVO more.

[DiscreetSpeed]

msp for me. agree alot of work has to be done match hp but msp all the way

[EVILSRT]

(hand)

What is better Geo Metro or McClarin F1?

But seriously the STI takes us out in all respects. The STI is my fav car of all time for so many reasons. It would take alot for us to take one of those out in the quater. Bow down to the STI. But dont get me wrong I really love my MSP, its just trubo all wheel drive(bowdown).

[sundevilMP5]

hey guys...what do you think is better a mclaren f1 or a geo metro??

you're comparing things that just weren't meant to be compared...

[sundevilMP5]

damn az..we were thinking the same exact thing...you just beat me to it

[REMillers]

I'll take a Geo if you don't mind, then go to KIA and see if they can't make a really sweet kit for it :)

[Kooldino]

For the pretty factor, MSP

but other than that, STi

[OrangeAppeal]

I love my MSP, but the STI would hand my ass to me on a platinum platter any day of the week.

On a side note....can anyone else say
OFF TOPIC???

[goonsquad]

I don't understand how anyone thinks the MSP looks better than the STI. The MSP looks like a protege with a body kit. The STI looks badass. Don't get me wrong. I love my MSP, but if I had 31 Gs to spend on a car you better believe I'd buy an STI or EVO.

[Micah]

What are you kidding me? The Geo Metro all the way! Those things rule.




Originally posted by sundevilMP5
hey guys...what do you think is better a mclaren f1 or a geo metro??

you're comparing things that just weren't meant to be compared...

But hell, I've been reading Grassroots Motorsports lately, so I'll say this. Dollar for Dollar, I'd take the Metro, and keep the extra cash for mods. You'd have enough money to fuel/insure it for life, and be able to afford the house with the garage to park it in. Hell, you still might have enough money to rip out the interior,bolt in a full rollcage, swap in a 500 cu. in. marine block, put Sparco seats in the rear and drop back the firewall/dash to allow the larger engine.

Oh, and it's gotta have a set of those 24" spinner rims and some altezza's.

[Jer]

You should toss the evo in there for fun

[boostisgood]

lol, If I had 31 grand to spend on a car. I would get an r-32 Skyline. :D Fuck an STI or Evo. (upyours)

[mikeyb]

Originally posted by goonsquad
I don't understand how anyone thinks the MSP looks better than the STI. The MSP looks like a protege with a body kit. The STI looks badass. Don't get me wrong. I love my MSP, but if I had 31 Gs to spend on a car you better believe I'd buy an STI or EVO.

The STI looks like a WRX with kit and the EVO looks like a Lancer with a kit too. For 31 grand I would go upmarket to the entrylevel highend cars like a Audi A4 or BMW 325i. Or a used BMW M3. Personally you park a STI and a M3 for 5 years the M3 will be worth a lot more then the STI will.

[InsidiousMSP]

RX8.

[chwood]

/thread hijack

REMillers - I've been sig'd!

(rockon)

[REMillers]

LOL I know! (rockon)

[goonsquad]

The STI looks like a WRX with kit and the EVO looks like a Lancer with a kit too.

WRX and Lancer were never intended to be economy sedans.

[subaruwrx]

STi is so sweet... It was between those cars for me too. But I went with the MSP because it is cheaper. I would rather not have 650 dollar car payments. That was the only reason. I basiocally settled for the MSP. I would have bought the STi if I could have afforded it. Well, that or the EVO. Now that I think about it, I shoudl have held out for the EVO.
--Adam

[chwood]

Originally posted by subaruwrx
STi is so sweet... It was between those cars for me too. But I went with the MSP because it is cheaper. I would rather not have 650 dollar car payments. That was the only reason. I basiocally settled for the MSP. I would have bought the STi if I could have afforded it. Well, that or the EVO. Now that I think about it, I shoudl have held out for the EVO.
--Adam

LOL

I would have had to hold out for like 4 years before I could have gotten an Evo though.

[MSPDAVE125]

If I could do it over again........ I'd take the Scoobidoo STi over the MSP for sure........

My friend has an STi and I want to steal his I/C sprayer!!!!

I think I'm going to see if you can order that from Subaru dealer!!!

Probably costs a freakin fortune. But cool to have!

[EVILSRT]

Originally posted by sundevilMP5
damn az..we were thinking the same exact thing...you just beat me to it

LOL and we are in the same state too.......WEIRD. Hey do oyu ever go to the pavillions. I am trying to get a meet going in PHX......then maybe a cruise to flagstaff.

[Kenetix]

How about from now on we try getting comparisons between 2 cars into the same fucking price bracket. Ahhh, what a revelation.
Personally I'd take a 13,000 dollar FD3S over the STi or the Evo.

[MSPDAVE125]

No freakin way are we starting that SRT-4 vs. MSP crap again!

No more comparisons! Comparisons consume every thread this forum has ever seen!

Stop the comparisons. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bud_d]

the '04 models of the Impreza are much much better looking then the previous model and the STI is a decent looking car minus the spoiler of course, but everyone has there own taste in appearance.
And no you really can't compare the two vehicles mechanically, the STI is superior in pretty much every aspect.
No offense orng_mazdaspeed, but asking WRX STI or MSP as far as which is better is like asking a girl if she wants a diamond or a cubic zirchonia(spelling?), the answers quite obvious.
And yes I realize everyone has there own tastes in preference just those 2 cars don't belong in a comparisn against each other.

[KYMP5]

i have a p5 which as we all know is very slow. ive driven the msp and have been impressed by them but i just got an sti for a company car to build for sema. let me tell you, there is no comparison. the sti is awesome. for the money though the msp is not a bad buy.

[unwrittenLaw]

apples and oranges

[Speedplease]

Ok everybody is talking about sti or evo 31000 plus tax tiltle and all that other shit = more than what i can afford....but if i did have that money it would be a used 2002 Z06 no if and or butts! Repeat after me High 12's stock with handling to boot!

[Speedplease]

oh yeah but i still love my MSP!

[APEXistud]

As far as the M3 being worth more than the STi in 5 years. That will remain to be seen. I can see a low milage STi still being priced around $30K in a couple of years because it's limited production collectors car...(to some people anyway). Not that you won't be able to get a used STi for less in a couple of years, but the milage on the vehicle is what will determine the price. For shits and giggle, here's an example. There are low milage Twin Turbo Supra's (which aren't limited production) going for over $42K still. Why? Because the milage is very low. On the other end of the spectrum, I've seen high milaged Twin Turbo Supra's sell for less than$24K, again the milage determined the low price.

I would most definately take the STi over the any Protege. Hmmmm....own a piece of Automotive history or own a econobox with a turbo. The STi would definately get tons more recognition than the MSP or MP3 ever will.

[JunkPunch]

I don't know how to tell you this, but the STi _IS_ an econobox with a turbo. It's an Impreza with a big turbo. I've been in an STi, and you sure as hell don't feel like you are in a $30k car - until you hit the gas.

[slug420]

i was at the maine forest rally this weekend. Saw about 4382492789 imprezas of all flavors and at least a dozen EVOs and a few STIs

I was the only orange MSP. Hell I was one of only like 4 mazdas in total. I had people taking pictures of my car parked ont he side of the road, video taping it when I was driving through the service area, and got complimented every single time i stopped in on my whole trip.

STI is a superior automobile, but I would still prefer my MSP and 12k spending money over a STI.

If they were both 20k i would probably have to go with the STI even though I like the MSP looks a lot more....

[YuYuRena]

Ahh the hype, any car can have any value. BMW can worth more than a STi or the STi can worth more than a Bimmer, it's all to the buyer and what he's willing to pay. About the mileage on a car, actually the most stressful time on the engine is actually cold-starting, not really how many mileages are on the engine. Cold starting is when all the parts in the engine doesn't have to the most adequate lubrication = most wear on the engine, so an engine with frequent cold start can actually wear out the engine faster than a high mileage engine.

And back 2 the subject of the STi vs. MSP, well STi pushes like a fat kid rolling thru mud. Don't know what people's obession with AWD, it's nice and safe, but it ain't the best way to race. First, you loss the most out of all drivetrain configuration (FWD, AWD, RWD) due to more components in the drivetrain. Plus AWD aren't good for racing, cuz it doesn't let you turn, hence the safety factor of all wheel drive. Now I'm talking about track racing, not considering off-road racing. The only way STi is more performance than MSP is cuz it got more power so the car accelerate faster, but that doesn't make it a better car. Car with less HP can and did beat it, i.e. EVO. So with that in mind, give me 31k, and a choice between STi and a MSP: I'll pick MSP, cuz the money save goes into MSP's engine and the STi will have a handful against a now more capable MSP.

[PeaB0dy]

How about the Sentra SE-R Spec V compare to a MSP?

[JunkPunch]

Originally posted by YuYuRena
Plus AWD aren't good for racing, cuz it doesn't let you turn, hence the safety factor of all wheel drive. Now I'm talking about track racing, not considering off-road racing.

So, why did they ban quattro from the Touring Car series exactly? It wasn't because Audi was losing a lot, I can tell you that.

[Daemos]

Originally posted by boostisgood
lol, If I had 31 grand to spend on a car. I would get an r-32 Skyline. :D Fuck an STI or Evo. (upyours)

werd....but lucky I live in Canada...and we got some CRAZY 15 year law, which states "Any car that's 15 years or older can be imported from anywhere across the world, free from passing emissions tests" And if you live in my provence, you can insure it as a RHD car, and saftey is like "it has a seatbelt? front/rear bumper? windows? Doors? 4 wheels? Okay it passes"

which means starting next year 1989 R32 Skyline GTRs are legal to import DIRECTLY from japan to canada, estimated price, 20 Thousand CANADIAN :)

Am I gonna get one? Hopefully if I don't go crazy spending my money like I did last year :)

But yea if I lived in the US and had 31K to spend on a car R32 GTR for me please :)

[Daemos]

Originally posted by PeaB0dy
How about the Sentra SE-R Spec V compare to a MSP?

It's been overdone...both have good strong points, based on individual prefrences.

[DiscreetSpeed]

no no comparison thhere msp all the way..

[OceanPark]

APPLE compare to the MARS?

[Daemos]

Originally posted by YuYuRena
Ahh the hype, any car can have any value. BMW can worth more than a STi or the STi can worth more than a Bimmer, it's all to the buyer and what he's willing to pay. About the mileage on a car, actually the most stressful time on the engine is actually cold-starting, not really how many mileages are on the engine. Cold starting is when all the parts in the engine doesn't have to the most adequate lubrication = most wear on the engine, so an engine with frequent cold start can actually wear out the engine faster than a high mileage engine.

And back 2 the subject of the STi vs. MSP, well STi pushes like a fat kid rolling thru mud. Don't know what people's obession with AWD, it's nice and safe, but it ain't the best way to race. First, you loss the most out of all drivetrain configuration (FWD, AWD, RWD) due to more components in the drivetrain. Plus AWD aren't good for racing, cuz it doesn't let you turn, hence the safety factor of all wheel drive. Now I'm talking about track racing, not considering off-road racing. The only way STi is more performance than MSP is cuz it got more power so the car accelerate faster, but that doesn't make it a better car. Car with less HP can and did beat it, i.e. EVO. So with that in mind, give me 31k, and a choice between STi and a MSP: I'll pick MSP, cuz the money save goes into MSP's engine and the STi will have a handful against a now more capable MSP.

Which is why back in the early 90s the Skyline GTR broke the record around some austrlian ciruit by like nearly 30 seconds, and after like 4 years it was BANNED from the racing circuit even AFTER limiting boost to 19 psi and having it carry a 160KG balissast, it was still concedered TOO fast.

Sorry to say AWD > FWD.

[Roywhitep5]

thats the dumbest comparison i've ever seen sti vs msp :wtf:

anyways i think the sti is an ugly car. great preformance but terrible looking exterior.

31k i'd rather get a mazdaspeed rx8 or a pimped out g35

[mspeedpro]

The msp is the best looking 4door car in its class at ANY value. Thats extremely important to me although I know a lot of you disagree.

[subaruwrx]

I dont see the issue here. The STi is just a tuned version of the Impreza. The MSP is just a tuned version of the protege. Apples to Bigger, faster apples.

At any rate, the MSP is a GREAT buy. I love mine, and I came from a modded WRX. Both cars are equally easy to drive, and while the STi has far more power, you can make up for that with the 12000 (14000 in my case) you save. ITs a matter of preference. They are strikingly similar.

Seriously.

Incidentally, my friend is a mechanic and has lots of cars from an original Alpina 6, Renault R5 turbo and Turbo2, as well as modded M3s. He just put down a deposit on an EVO and when I brought my car over to him, he looked at it, drove it, and after I told him I only paid 17000 for it, he straight faced told me "I wish i hadnt put down my deposit!"

I ask him if he is serious and he tells me that with 4000 he can make the MSP so much faster than the EVO and still have moneys left to spare.


Just my two cents
--Adam

[APEXistud]

This has turned into a really stupid post. STi vs. MSP...what a comparison this has turned out to be. I see this post as another way for MSP owners and Mazda Protege Purists to enlarge their egos and try to say that the Protege is better than another vehicle that clearly out performs it in pretty much all categories. But just as other members have already stated. It's all personal preference and it really is a waste of time to try to persuade someone else that what you prefer is right and they are wrong. So if you feel that the STi is better looking, faster, not over priced for what you get, then more power to ya. And if you feel the MSP is a better buy, faster, better looking and you can modify it to be faster than the STi, then more power to ya.:D

[BigGun22]

just remember one thing you are forgetting fellows. you take the sti $31,000 now the msp 19,000 thats $12,000 if we took that extra 12 grand and put in the msp an sti couldnt even suck our tail pipe... thats how i look at it.. i could have bought an sti but thats too easy i wanna challenge so now i plan on beating one intsead and if i am really confident just race him for pinks than i have both lol

[chwood]

Originally posted by APEXistud
This has turned into a really stupid post. STi vs. MSP...what a comparison this has turned out to be. I see this post as another way for MSP owners and Mazda Protege Purists to enlarge their egos and try to say that the Protege is better than another vehicle that clearly out performs it in pretty much all categories. But just as other members have already stated. It's all personal preference and it really is a waste of time to try to persuade someone else that what you prefer is right and they are wrong. So if you feel that the STi is better looking, faster, not over priced for what you get, then more power to ya. And if you feel the MSP is a better buy, faster, better looking and you can modify it to be faster than the STi, then more power to ya.:D

Um, ok dude. :wtf:

BigGun has nailed it. STOCK STI and STOCK MSP aren't in the same category, in price OR power.

Drop the $ difference into an MSP though and (getsome)

[CruzinAltitude]

Originally posted by OrangeAppeal
On a side note....can anyone else say
OFF TOPIC???

Off Topic



Sorry, I had a smart ass attack

[jred321]

Originally posted by APEXistud
This has turned into a really stupid post. STi vs. MSP
what's this "turned into" stuff? ;)

[goonsquad]

I got spanked by a Z06 at the track last week. He ran a 12.69. A friend of mine told me the car was modded though.

[APEXistud]

What I mean by Protege Purists tryin to boost their ego is that those member out there who dislike a car mainly because it's not a Protege. Ever car crowd has them, just like Civic guys, Subaru guys, etc. Don't get me wrong, the MSP is a great car, but even after you spend $12k modding it, sure it will be fast and uncivilized to drive, that would run along the lines of stupidity. Why not just by the faster car off the bat and call it a day. I'd hardly call the WRX and econobox, it's clearly more refined than a Protege. At least jred321 agree's with me in saying that this is a pointless post and I too think it should be placed in off-topic.

[unwrittenLaw]

They're both great cars in their respective classes, but key point is *different classes*...thats all there is to it. No more flames..

[OceanPark]

Originally posted by BigGun22
just remember one thing you are forgetting fellows. you take the sti $31,000 now the msp 19,000 thats $12,000 if we took that extra 12 grand and put in the msp an sti couldnt even suck our tail pipe... thats how i look at it.. i could have bought an sti but thats too easy i wanna challenge so now i plan on beating one intsead and if i am really confident just race him for pinks than i have both lol

Yeah, you could void 96.87% warranty with $12,000 of mod.

Come on, the STi has 4WD and 6spd. I don¡¦t know how you relate a modified MSP to STi???

[YuYuRena]

Originally posted by Daemos
Which is why back in the early 90s the Skyline GTR broke the record around some austrlian ciruit by like nearly 30 seconds, and after like 4 years it was BANNED from the racing circuit even AFTER limiting boost to 19 psi and having it carry a 160KG balissast, it was still concedered TOO fast.

Sorry to say AWD > FWD.

You guys didn't get it. Skyline Drivetrain isn't AWD full time. In fact it's actually RWD until the car goes into skid then it switches onto AWD. And that's my point. About that touring car series?? Well, considering the mixture of the cars that were raced, there were other factors besides just the drivetrain. STi's drivetrain is full time AWD. If you want something similar AWD system to what Skyline has, check out the 911 Turbo, our the new Infiniti FX450, that SUV is the SUV I would get, hehe if some had to make me pick a SUV. It's drivetrain is the skyline GT-R, fyi. you know the regular skyline didn't have AWD either. And if you want a point in racing comparing RWD to AWD, there's plenty of case of that. YES Skyline's AWD is awesome, hands down, and yes the quattro is legendry, it's record is awesome. But for track racing, the weight saving and more efficient drivetrain of the RWD beats AWD in my book.

[YuYuRena]

And yes this is off-topic, move this thread mod.

Lastly, I respect both cars and actually all the cars mentioned here, but to a point, people stop jumping on the bandwagon of STi and EVO and AWD craze, it's getting to the point of that Civic and Honda things a couple of years ago. Both cars are awesome and great value at their respective price range, but there's plenty of other cars out there that deserve some attentions, too.

[OutDriveU]

RWD in a race car is king. AWD is nice but most racers prefer RWD for the control/driveability over AWD.
In the rain its a different story though

[Caffeine]

Ill take 12k and my msp tks

[unwrittenLaw]

yeah, i like my MSP and its revolutionary full time front wheel drive