first time at the track

[tddelsol]

i went down to the drag strip for the first time on friday best run was a 16.29 car was running like shit.or i was who knows but there was another speed there who was running 14.4-14.7 all night so i asked him what he had done and he said just changed the factory hoses. what no boost controller i said he said nope just changed this hose and points to the one that leads to the waste gate. aparenlty if you use a smaller hose it ups the boost but he had no idea what psi im thinking bone stock 93 degree weather and a 14.4 ='s about 14-16 psi does this sound right and if so how is he avoiding the "fuel cut". oh yah why is my car so fucking slowwwwwwwwwwww

[DiscreetSpeed]

wow man 16.29, isnt that what a stock protege runs haha
do you have a boost guage, id check what your psi is.
no doubt you have bad lag.
just the hose he changed, wow...cool
not sure on the psi that guys was runnin but its intresting.

[QwikSRT4]

Wow dude, something's seriously wrong there. Don't MSP's run like mid-low 15's?

[ForceFed]

I'm definately calling this one............

DRIVER ERROR!

Sorry,but there is no way your speed is that slow,UNLESS,there is something truely wrong!
This is definately not a case of turbo lag!
Matt;)

[bored132]

when i was at the track there was a guy w/ a stock titanium speed and he was running the same times. He had traction issues. that is too much traction. it takes some time to get used to it but you'll get it.

p.s. once you up the boost it will be all good!!!!!!!!!

[t3ase]

Originally posted by QwikSRT4
Wow dude, something's seriously wrong there. Don't MSP's run like mid-low 15's?
Low 15s/high 14's stock; lower 14s with a few mods/driver knowledge.

[tddelsol]

driver error?????...my 60 foot times were 2.439 ...my reaction time was .628.... and trap was only 83.3...is there something wrong with my speed????? i do have the hesitation...and it was 93 degrees at 11 pm....

[DiscreetSpeed]

check you psi man, do you feel it pulling hard when it does kick in?

[tddelsol]

what should the trap speed be?

[tddelsol]

i'll be able to check my psi in about a week when i get my boost gauge.....sometimes i can feel it pull unless its really hot....

[ForceFed]

your trap speeds match your E.T. but the trap should be faster and the E.T. should be lower!












MUCH LOWER!

BTW,your 60ft time are really killin you off the bat .I assume you either bogged bad at the line or flat out smoked 'em through first gear!Either way ,both of those will kill an E.T.!
Matt;)

[tddelsol]

what is a good 60 foot time?????? this is was my first time ever at the track!!!!!!!! and the track i was at is like launching on wet concrete!!!!!

[ForceFed]

A 2.2 60 ft would be a good time.Anything better would be excellent!I have only pulled a 2.2 once or twice with my MSP.It has absolutely no traction through two gears.I hope to have a set of slicks the next time I go out to the track and I will for sure get close to breaking the 13 second barrier with only $400 worht of mods and still running a stock airbox and intake.
Matt:D

[tddelsol]

so with a 2.4 i should've had better ets right?????

[ForceFed]

I think so!
What RPM were you shifting at?
And how fast were you shifting?

[tddelsol]

at 6k and shifting as fast as my arms and feet would go.

[ForceFed]

Next time try shifting at 6500 and are you granny shifting?

[tddelsol]

granny shifing????? not to doubt you cause your running a hell of alot faster than me but i read quite a few other post that said shift at right under 6k

[ForceFed]

Originally posted by tddelsol
granny shifing????? not to doubt you cause your running a hell of alot faster than me but i read quite a few other post that said shift at right under 6k

:bs: Take a look at your times and mine!Even at stock ,I went 15.1@90.The shift before 6500 is complete BS!I don't know who started it but they are wrong.This car pulls all the way to the redline ,so why would you short shift it and take yourself out of power.I have been racing at the track for years ,so I am no newb.Trust me and try it.
I also powershift the 2-3 and 3-4 shifts.1-2 already has traction issues so why make them worse!
Matt:D

[tddelsol]

power shifting is no clutch right??? i am a newb so need a little explanation.the way i shift is as soon as the clutch is engaged about and inch down in our car i shift and realese as soon as the shifter hits the next gear i do bawk the tires in 2nd and some times 3rd if i wait till red line

[ForceFed]

Ok,I'll tell you how to power shift but i'll assume no responsibilities for what may happen.This is not a game,it can ,if done wrong damage your tranny!
Basically a power shift is when you depress the clutch without EVER letting off the gas.
1,you have to be fast or you will over rev
2,you need to be precise in your shifting ability.

This is not something you should try if you are not very good with a stick.Even more so ,you shouldn't try it if you are not good with the MSP's stick.These trannies can be a bitch to shift right ,but when it all goes right they can also be as smooth as butter!
Matt:D

[tddelsol]

im pretty close to power shifting now im not wot but i dont let all the way off either a happy median i guess

[DiscreetSpeed]

k now that thats been attended to whats up with the hose the guy changed. to a smaller one? off the wastegate?

[tddelsol]

i know im responding to this about 6 months late but just found the tread again it was the hose from the valve cover to the t where youd hook up a mbc so the 1 people use for the boost gauge

[Miques]

My friend and I both have speeds and I was clocking low 16s and he was clocking high 16s.

[t3ase]

Uh. Something's not right here.

[tddelsol]

how so

[t3ase]

a stock msp does *not* run 16second 1/4miles.

[tddelsol]

it does when launched poorly on a bad track

[Miques]

Hey 16.3 was my best time and that was shifting at red line. I actualy beat my friend's mazdaspeed by about a full second. Trust me, we weren't pulling punches.

[t3ase]

There's a stock MSP that ran at a track close to here who pulled off a 15.0. Not to criticize but it sounds like you need to work on *something*.

[Miques]

why does it say you are offline when obviously you are?
Any a slightly modded mustang gt clocked mid 16s here. I know because he was racing with us that night.

[tddelsol]

yeah this is an old thread me and my msp have bonded over time.
im sure i could pull better times now. also i had the hesitation then and in 4th the car lost speed even with me wot

[tddelsol]

......... incase i forgot them anywhere t3ase

[JDM Sam]

Theyre in diff temp, altitude, humidity, and other shit. Diff locations give diff times. Not everyone will have similar results.

[AutoBox]

after messin with my mbc i shorted the vac hose goin to the wastegate cus of that crust glue shit mazda had on it....i notice a quicker spool up and responce since then.....im puttin the mbc back on but its a though for ppl thinkin about better performance without actually uppin the boost with a mbc....smaller and short wastegate line would increase the performance of ur turbo

[Mike R]

Originally posted by t3ase
a stock msp does *not* run 16second 1/4miles.

LOL neither should a LS-1 SS camaro. But I've seen it. How 'bout a Lingenfelter 427ci C5? Seen one run high 15's-16's. It's all about the driver.

Also the same reason my 5 ran 17.45. Hadn't driven a FWD at the track before.

[jersey_emt]

My first time at the track I ran a 15.8. I couldn't get a good launch. My trap was good ( > 90mph) though.

[Maniac0301]

Wow my first time ever at a track I ran a 16.1 with a bone stock 2000 Neon 5spd. The worse I ran with it was a 16.7 on a bad day with a bad launch. Best time stock on it was a 16.01 and best e/t after minor bolt ons (125whp/127tq) was a 15.47. I'll be hitting the track with my MSP in the next couple weeks I'll let ya'll know how I did.

[DiscreetSpeed]

^^ haha nice, that just goes to show what a difference the driver can do.

[TitanB]

Autobox, how much of a shorter hose did you use? Was it hard to change out?

[AutoBox]

I cut about 1/2 " off the stock hose that tee'ed of to the wastegate....and re-routed the hose striaght up instead of following under the intake hose then then comin up.....didnt increase my boost but it did make it respond quicker, my nephew noticed the quicker spool up when he drove my car also.....i think with a smaller ID hose, it would bump up the psi slightly....i think ill give it a try this weekend

[Maniac0301]

I would think that decreasing the length of vacuum tubing to the wastegate can would make the wastegate more accurate causing less and smaller spikes. I couldnt imagine it causing you turbo to spool quicker unless the wastegate is seeing less pressure than it was before the change.