Adios WRX, hola EVO VII [Archive]

311Mazda

03-07-2002, 01:57 AM

This isn't really a rumor, I read it in the FEB. Issue of Motor Trend magazine, but they say they are going to import the EVO VII to the US. And not only is that uber-bad ass, but it will pretty much be the japan version, 280 HP and all. Not watered down like the WRX we got. Oh and I guess it will only cost around 30k? That's one hell of a good buy. You may all now begin drooling.

jonlisle20

03-07-2002, 01:26 PM

Oh trust me...I've BEEN drooling!! I don't know how much longer I can wait for the damn thing! As far as I know it MAY come over as early as fourth quarter next year. 0-60 in about 4.7 seconds and a high 12/low 13 second 1/4 mile time! STOCK! This car is mean! I hope they stick with the idea of bringing it over unchanged. I hope we don't lose too much power when they start messing with the emissions. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

njaremka

03-07-2002, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by 311Mazda
This isn't really a rumor, I read it in the FEB. Issue of Motor Trend magazine, but they say they are going to import the EVO VII to the US. And not only is that uber-bad ass, but it will pretty much be the japan version, 280 HP and all. Not watered down like the WRX we got. Oh and I guess it will only cost around 30k? That's one hell of a good buy. You may all now begin drooling.

if you want rumors: the 280hp is supposed to be an UNDER-rated power figure. most accept the Evo to be pushing 320hp. so even if they detune it a little to meet emmisions, it will still probably be easy to mod for 300+hp. and the last i heard, the Evo meets current emmisions regulations, they are only working on a way to package the intercooler and bumper to meet crash worthyness and insurance regulations.

BRING IT ON!

311Mazda

03-07-2002, 02:55 PM

Yeah actually I was aware of that delightful fact. Apparently a lot of the high powered cars only claim 280 HP to satisfy the Japanese Street legal limit. Cars like the EVO's, WRX, Skyline GT-R and such have had over that number for years. Cool huh? I think the only instance of that in America is with Camaros and firebirds. They say the HP is less for insurance reasons and stuff... :cool:

ezrider1026

03-09-2002, 05:00 AM

You guys are all absolutely correct. In fact this is the first thread i read that has no bullshit. The evo will be in america under limited production like our mp3's. Also the car is to cost around 30 thousand.

APEXistud

03-10-2002, 02:24 PM

It's nice that the EVO is coming to the US, but it won't have 280 hp, nor will it be in the same price range as the WRX. So it won't be in direct competition with the WRX. I believe that the sources were saying that the EVO would be in the 260hp range. Gotta love the EPA, they like to water down all the Jap models before they get here. Personally I'd take the WRX STi over the EVO.

WRX STi
http://a1019.g.akamai.net/7/1019/5509/1008545694/autoweb.com.au/autonews/images/sub0112171ahi.jpg

Lancer EVO
http://www.myevo.com/E7_yellowj2.gif

jonlisle20

03-11-2002, 09:12 PM

Unfortunetly, I believe APEXistud is right. The latest issue of Car & Driver report that the Evo will have "about 250 hp" due to a different intercooler and such. That REALLY blows. I believe it was Motor Trend that said that the hp figures of the Japanese Evo was understated. (closer to 300 hp like njaremka said before) If this is true, the fall to 250 hp is going to dramatically effect performance. Man I hope this isn't true. They did say that we may see them as soon as Spring 2003 though. At least that's good news.
As for not being in the same price range as the WRX; I've been hearing the exact opposite. I've read that Mitsubishi is bringing the Evo over specifically to battle the WRX; and that the WRX's stellar sales was the main motivation to bring it over. Cosidering the two cars similarities, it makes perfect sense.
However, you may be right about not competing with the current WRX. Maybe the price of the Evo will compete with the soon to be produced WRX STi. Hell, who knows. All I've been hearing about the Evo coming over unchanged seems to be false. Only time will tell. Oh yeah, I'd get the Evo rather than the WRX STi. I think it looks somewhat better. It reminds me of my MP3 a little. (Even though the STi looks like it will be slightly more powerful than the EVO.
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed! :p

YnGrsHpr

03-12-2002, 12:56 AM

Speaking as a WRX owner I say to each their own. I like the looks of the EVO and the WRX(kinda). I hate the stupid neon-look-a-like headlights "hi" but I'm changing that. Anyways, I'm happy with the car, it handles good on the road and off (not by choice, damn ice/slush!) The MP3 does out handle my car but hell, I have like a foot of frickin wheel travel, and yes i have gotten them off the road at that. You can make any car fun, it's just different driving styles. I don't know but I'm sure the EVO will handle a lot like the WRX, probably a little better (not as much body roll) but I'm not sure. Oh, and for the WRX being watered-down, maybe it is but I can still out run all the rice-racers around and some of the Mustangs/Camaros/Firebirds... not that my car is that fast, just that the other drivers don't know how to drive their cars :) Just my 2 cents worth....

jdm_mp5

03-12-2002, 03:31 AM

hmmm...true but i believe they will be bringing over the STI version over. And the wrx still is nice in itself although it is watered down quite a bit. And plus, im sure if the demand for the evolution is high, they will surely jack up the price on it. I would love to have the new evolution, its beautiful! but its way out of my price range, and it will be for those spoiled undeserving brat kids and then i would just get pissed off. I'd rather the evolution be left in the hands of real enthusiasts, instead of wanna-be rich kids that are just following the trend. So take your pick!

jonlisle20

03-12-2002, 03:22 PM

Unfortunetly, there is ALWAYS going to be some stuck up rich kids getting an expensive car. No matter what kind of car it is. (Man I am SO jealous. I guess that's one reason why I get so mad) Everyone who doesn't know me thinks that exact same thing about me because of the fact that I'm 20. What they don't know is that I have my own Landscaping business and I work my friggin ass off. Shit, oh well. That's just the way life is.
As for the Evo just being in the hands of real enthusiasts; only in a perfect world. Considering that there is only a handful of real enthusiasts buying cars, compared to the rest of the buyers, that would be bad for business. Mitsubishi and Subaru might not have brought the cars over if they knew only a few hard core enthusiasts would buy them. As much as I don't want to admit it, those individuals helped the Evo come over. I am more than willing to deal with a bunch of brats to get my hands on great cars like the WRX or the Evo. Besides the fact that I'm going to empty my bank account on performance mods, hopefully blowing the doors off of a few rich kids in the process. (Don't mind me, I'm just venting) My fingers are STILL crossed. ;)

jdm_mp5

03-13-2002, 03:06 AM

yeah i know! all i can do is blab on and on about how it is unfair. I would like to see the evo on the street definitely regardless if im driving it or not. Hmm...maybe if i pray hard enough one may just appear in my garage! hey man, im crossing my fingers too!!!

spoolinmp3

03-17-2002, 05:59 AM

who cares about the evo having 250hp atleast there bringin one more jap only car over! Fortunatly for us there is something called an exhaust and boost controller!!
Example the WRX US spe has 237hp and the jap spec is like 280 or something but both cars have the exact same internals, compression ect....whats the difference between a jap spec WRX and US? Nothing really that you could not change. The turo internals are slightly bigger and the jap runs 18psi vs US that runs 14psi. So all u have to do is rework or replace the turbo and boost your car 18psi thats it!!

gene in cincinnati

03-17-2002, 04:48 PM

Can't wait to test drive the EVO VII and STi. Top Gear drove both a while ago and picked the STi.

http://www.bmwclub.org.hk/gallery/videostreaming/evo7wrx.mpeg

melicha8

03-17-2002, 06:47 PM

I think I just sprayed my pants...yeah I did

APEXistud

03-17-2002, 08:10 PM

Slight correction there, the US WRX has 227. The main difference between the STi and regular WRX besides visual accesories is the 6 speed gearbox and Variable Valve Timing which gives it more power on the higher part of the revband. Oh and a little better gas milage. hehe:)

mazdamp3_18

03-17-2002, 11:03 PM

there is a STI coming to the US its gonna be here the same time as the EVO... and the EVO isnt going to sell for 30k bids here in Ann Arbor are in the 60's now... i just talked to the mitsu dealership friday.... there are going to be 1800 here in the US every dealership is getting at a minimum of 2..... then the others are going to the high volume dealerships....

spoolinmp3(2)

03-17-2002, 11:03 PM

I meant 227hp sorry! But I am comparing the JDM WRX that is not an sti with a US spec WRX. The sti is a whole different ball game.:D
Nice pics Apexistud

eeterp

03-19-2002, 04:16 AM

I have a feeling that the EVO will be in the upper 20K range just becuase Mitsu doesn't want to kill sales of the eclipse, which is in the lower 20s.

I'd go with the STI over the EVO (personal pref).

Nissan is bring a skyline to the US too, but it'll be a 4-door sedan; nothing like R34 skyline that will destroy the STI and EVO.

gene in cincinnati

03-19-2002, 08:53 AM

The "Skyline" 4-door is already here. I saw one yesterday.

2003 Infiniti G35

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/208161.jpg

It has the same engine as the new 350Z and is pretty quick. The interior is kinda bland, though.

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/infiniti/g35/4drsportsedanwleather35l6cyl5a/reviews.html?id=lin0029

Shawn

03-19-2002, 12:27 PM

This new "Skyline' is a huge disappointment. 260hp is great, don't get me wrong but this is N/A right? The 350Z will have the same V6 engine but it will probably be turbo or TT. This car is a big old sedan. Reminds me of a Maxima. Like other luxery cars, only the automatic is offered.

I doubt anything like the R34 GTR will ever come to North America. :( Since it would cost at least $60-$80K, I don't think Nissan would bring it here. Time will tell but in my books, THAT is not a Skyline.

gene in cincinnati

03-19-2002, 04:49 PM

The 350Z and the Skyline have the same engine. The 350Z will not have a Turbo or TT when it arrives as a 2003 model.

Correct me if I am wrong, Shawn, but are you one of those people who think 4-door cars are not sports cars? Just curious.

Shawn

03-19-2002, 07:55 PM

Hell no. WRX is an awesome sports car. I can name many great 4 door sports cars. It's just that the G35 looks like, a big old family sedan. Like a Maxima. Kick ass engine but a huge commuter car. It doesn't remind me of a quicker smaller looking MP3, WRX, Spec-V, RX-8. All those mentioned sport cars have 4 doors. And it lacks the absolute incredibleness(is this a word? LOL) of a Skyline GTR.I was hoping the 350Z had a turbo, I had no info about it. Looks like the best Z is still the 300Z TT, IMHO.
The R33 and R34 have an inline 6 as well. This new model of American Nissan and Infinity have V6's. It seems like all the highest performance 6-cylanders are inline(Supra, Skyline GTR, M3) Of course there are the odd exception very powerful V6's that someone can partially correct me on.

I just see the G35 and read about it and say. That is not a Skyline. No AWD capabilities, no 4 wheel steering, etc...

gene in cincinnati

03-19-2002, 08:41 PM

Point well taken. I am glad that Nissan decided not to use the Skyline brand. The G35 is nothing compared to the coupe.

wildman

03-19-2002, 11:19 PM

WTF
Here's an exerpt from an article on the Mitsu Lancer Evo VII:

Competition is good for the breed. Subaru is expected to counter the Evo VII with its more potent WRX STi. Other powerful transplants are in the works, as Infiniti will soon market the Nissan Skyline sedan as the G35, and Nissan is considering bringing the full-bore Skyline GT-R coupe over to position above the 350Z. Good times are definitely ahead for import performance enthusiasts.

Nissan is bringing the gtr to the USA??
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Damn wheres a napkin when u need it......
http://www.motortrend.com/nov01/evo/evo_f.html

Shawn

03-20-2002, 01:02 AM

I hate to be a pesimist but... The GTR and WRX STi? I'll have to believe it when I see it. Besides the GTR being super expensive and all the other talk I've read about the STi I won't get my hopes up too soon. I don't want to disappoint myself. Because the idea of a Skyline or STi in North America is too good to be true.

I really want this to be true but I'll wait on it and not spread that rumour, yet.:)

gene in cincinnati

03-20-2002, 08:13 AM

When I went to the NAIAS in Detroit this year, the Nissan Skyline GT-R concept car was left hand drive. I think that is a sign.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2001/tokyomotorshow/nissan_gtr/nissan.gt-r.r3-4.500.jpg

From a Nissan press release: "We are developing a new generation of GT-R for the 21st Century with the aim of placing it in the spotlight of the global stage, beyond the borders of the Japanese market."

wildman

03-20-2002, 07:46 PM

Shawn WTF are you talking about? Do u even know?
The gtr costs 50K US dollars in Japan. I have seen importers charging about 30K to bring the car here? Do you really think Nissan will sell the car for 80K!!
If you look at the article you would see that they state it will be postitioned over the 350Z. What will the price be for the 350z in the USA? So what, people buy 70-80K for the Dodge Viper, you don't think they would pay that for a gtr? A f'in beast that, in the right hands can produce over 1200HP!!
Get real. Think about what u say b4 u say it!

Shawn

03-20-2002, 09:36 PM

hmm, looks like you visited the wrong forum. I believe you are looking for the Flamer forum. A little hostile aren't you?

I'm talking about new Skylines. Obviously if Nissan brings Skylines to the US they will be considered new, wouldn't you agree? So lets look at this link shall we: SkylineGTR.com (http://www.skylinegtr.com/)

Hmmm, lets see. A new R34 2001 Vspec II White color, 120 Miles, $95,500 USD. Looks like I was wrong. $70-$80K was too low. More like $95K. Looks like I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. Do you have a better reference for the price of a new Skyline GTR? It doesn't take a genious to understand that you can get a ten year old R32 for $34K.

The 350Z will be a great car but certainly no Skyline GTR. The Skyline has things you will never see on the 350Z such as:
- ATTESA E-TS Pro All-Wheel drive system
- 4 Wheel steering
- 2 Limited Slip Differentials
- Twin Turbo

This to name a few. I like Gene's post. Apparently there will be an actual GTR being released in North America. This will be along with the 350Z, not instead of.

Lets see.. What else did you so rudely point out? Ah yes, the Viper. Well, the Viper can be made into a 1600hp beast. It is not a matter of whether people will pay for it, there are many people with more money than they know what to do with. It is whether Nissan will make a sizable profit if they bring it over. They've waited for 10 years and still it isn't in America. So they must be thinking long and hard about the idea.

Think about what u say b4 u say it! I believe I have thought about what I choose to write.

eeterp

03-21-2002, 12:18 AM

"the Viper can be made into a 1600hp beast. "

got a dyno chart to match that figure?

Shawn

03-21-2002, 02:21 AM

Actually I am wrong on that one. The Sir Hiss Viper is the most powerful Viper I know of. It has made 1220hp and equal amounts of tourque. Here is a pic of it: Sir Hiss Viper (http://www.dodge-vipers.com/sirhissviper.html)
More pics (http://www.geocities.com/viperbydodge/ViperSirHiss.html)
It doesn't have the stats on that page but if you do some research you will see the specs. Looks lke it may be street legal too. I don't know what makes it legal or illegal.
more (http://www.geocities.com/dodgedifferent2/sirhiss.html)

Sorry for the misinformation. A GTR does produce more than a Viper. The Veilside GTR made up to 1600hp. I don't know how they do it. There is info about that all over the net.

I must have been thinking about GT3 or something:rolleyes:

APEXistud

03-21-2002, 03:28 AM

Can I point out one thing to those of you who are Viper fanatics. The Skyline R34 produces the numbers it does with 6 cylinders and 2.6 liters. The Viper produces it's number off of 10 cylinders and just under 8 liters. So I think it's safe to say the the Skyline is a bit more technically advanced as far as engineering goes. Don't get me wrong, I'd still take a Viper if someone offered one upto me. But how many Vipers have you seen in person....? I've seen quite a few. Now think of how many R34's you've seen.....? I've only seen 1 and it wasn't on the road. I've seen an R33 rolling aroung my area a few times. Kinda of the same thing that got you to buy your MP3.....They're rare. That's why I bought mine.

Ok, back to the lecture at hand.....hehe. I really hope that the price they have fo the EVO on Motor Trends page stays around there. If it does, I'll be looking to buy one in a year or so....

BigBlue

03-21-2002, 10:41 AM

Hehe that Viper looks bad ASS! I'd faint if I saw that thing pull up next to me at a red light! :D

eeterp

03-21-2002, 12:48 PM

FYI, bmw made a turbo 4-cyl turn 1100hp a bit over 10 years ago. :D :D :D

eeterp

03-21-2002, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by eeterp
FYI, bmw made a turbo 4-cyl turn 1100hp a bit over 10 years ago. :D :D :D

Oh yeah, it was a 1.5L engine at that!!!

wildman

03-21-2002, 07:36 PM

Shawn I apologize for jumpin' on ya earlier, but I think you need to check ur facts tho.
And yes u r right about the price, buts that only half the story......

Why are your prices so high?
We have had to go though all of the mandatory requirements for the DOT and EPA . Including crash testing , air bag testing , and OBD II to meet the Code of Federal Regulation requirements. Since Nissan did not perform any of these requirements , we have independently completed the research and development. The pricing reflects our cost of reseach and development.

Look for "Why are your prices so high?" (http://www.skylinegtr.com/frameset.htm)

That price you quoted, is what Motorex charges to bring the car here, but does not include shipping.

Back to my original quote: think about it b4 u say it!
I'm not flaming on ya.;)

Shawn

03-22-2002, 12:39 AM

Ya, I read about that today. Costs a whole lot extra to import it.

"In order to import the vehicle to the US legally it must be imported though Motorex,Inc. .The cost for us to legalize a car for you varies from $16,000 - $25,000 depending on the year of the vehicle. This does not include shipping , bonds ,tarriffs , custom brokerage fee , and associated shipping fees.
The additional cost varies as the bond cost (450% of the value of the vehicle) , and tarriff cost(2.5% of the value of the vehicle) varies with the value of the vehicle , also shipping can be roll on/roll off or container. Expect the other costs to be $4000 - $5000 ."

WOW:eek: pricy. SO is the 16-25K part of the $95K or on top of?

I still feel I didn't shoot my mouth off and blurt out a bunch of incorrect facts. All I said was "I doubt anything like the R34 GTR will ever come to North America. Since it would cost at least $60-$80K, I don't think Nissan would bring it here. " When I said "I doubt" and "I don't think" I thought that meant the same as 'in my opinion'. I wasn't claiming any facts. Just IMO stuff.

Oh well...

APEXistud

03-22-2002, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by eeterp

Oh yeah, it was a 1.5L engine at that!!!

It was also a turbo'd full out racing engine that never saw the street......We're talking about streetable factory numbers here. If we really need to discuss racing numbers, then let me also point out that Signal Auto of Japan managed to get that very same RB26DET in the Skyline to run in the mid to low 8's in the 1/4 mile....oh yeah, that was on street tires too. My favorite company APEXi also used an R33 with a little over 1000whp at 28 psi and still running the stock 2.6 liter displacement to run mid 8's, that was back in 99'

And I agree with Shawn in saying that Nissan will not bring the R34 to the US. They'll probably release a newer R35 with less power to meet US regulations.

eeterp

03-22-2002, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by APEXistud

It was also a turbo'd full out racing engine that never saw the street......We're talking about streetable factory numbers here. If we really need to discuss racing numbers, then let me also point out that Signal Auto of Japan managed to get that very same RB26DET in the Skyline to run in the mid to low 8's in the 1/4 mile....oh yeah, that was on street tires too. My favorite company APEXi also used an R33 with a little over 1000whp at 28 psi and still running the stock 2.6 liter displacement to run mid 8's, that was back in 99'

And I agree with Shawn in saying that Nissan will not bring the R34 to the US. They'll probably release a newer R35 with less power to meet US regulations.

riiiiiight, like the streetable 1600hp GTR (stated in earlier post). lol

Shawn

03-22-2002, 12:45 PM

Did you even look on the net for this 1600hp car? And nowhere did someone mention a 1600hp GTR was streetable. Anyway, I looked, here is some info I found.

There have been aruguments of single and twin turbo set ups for years. The top cars in Japan all run a twin turbo setup, even the mighty Vailside and HKS street/drag cars. They are massive turbos also. The hp figures are insane for an engine under 3 liters in capacity. HKS managed to squeeze over 1600 bhp on a dyno before the motor snapped the titainium con-rods on the dyno. I don't have all the figures on that motor but from what our HKS distributor said they were running over 47psi of boost on race gas and the motor was still making hp at a rapid rate when it let go! WOW. 47 PSI!!
I cannot find more info about this HKS car. But I found some on the Veilside 1300hp R34. Here is a picture of it.
http://skylynr.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/veilside2.jpg Power, 970 kw / 1300 bhp, Torque, 1146 nm / 849.6 lb-ft.

Shawn

03-22-2002, 12:48 PM

hmmm, silly pic. Here is a link:
1300hp GTR (http://skylynr.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/veilside2.jpg)

Shawn

03-22-2002, 12:50 PM

crap! Ok, try this one:) Look for the white skyline near the top.

Thumbs crossed!! (http://skylynr.tripod.com/skylinegtr/id18.html)

eeterp

03-22-2002, 01:45 PM

Shawn I'm not doubting that GTR AT ALL!!! I posted about a 1.5L bmw engine making 1100hp and received a complaint because it wasn't "streetable", which is true, but that GTR isn't streetable either. That was my point. No harm intended;)

Shawn

03-22-2002, 03:46 PM

AH, I see. :D Well, gotta love the GTR. I wouldn't mind reading about a 1000hp 1.5 litre either. That's pretty incredible.

Sometimes getting the right meaning from posts is tough. It's all where the emphasis is put in the sentence.
ie: riiiiiight, like the streetable 1600hp GTR, lol
OR
riiiiiight, like the streetable 1600hp GTR, lol

Looks like I need some practise. No harm done:)

APEXistud

03-22-2002, 09:12 PM

Take a quick trip to Ex V Termini (http://www.exvitermini.com/) and check out some of the MPEGs and pics. And yes Signal does have a streetable R34 that can run 8's in track trim on DOT tires.

Antoine

03-22-2002, 09:48 PM

1600 bhp!....1.5L bmw engine making 1100hp!....I love it! Those videos are awesome...I'm really into top speed...what is the km/h to mph conversion?

Why don't we have videos here??? Lets see some MP3's, P5's and protege videos! I believe someone was working on that...any updates! If anyone of you are going to the track...get it on video!!!:D

wildman

03-23-2002, 01:45 AM

shawn we cool man.
once in awhile its ccol to disagree, no hard feelin
peace at ya dawg....
I think where the feud started was when you said u doubted the gtr would come to the us. u know what it doesn't matter now.
just look at the link to motortrends article. take care. in the article it says the gtr will be postioned above the 350z.
i'll write it off as a miscommunication. if u r.

later man

wildman

03-23-2002, 01:55 AM

i wish i had 100k so i could bring 1 to the us and take u all for a ride.

later

wildman

03-23-2002, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Shawn
Ya, I read about that today. Costs a whole lot extra to import it.

"In order to import the vehicle to the US legally it must be imported though Motorex,Inc. .The cost for us to legalize a car for you varies from $16,000 - $25,000 depending on the year of the vehicle. This does not include shipping , bonds ,tarriffs , custom brokerage fee , and associated shipping fees.
The additional cost varies as the bond cost (450% of the value of the vehicle) , and tarriff cost(2.5% of the value of the vehicle) varies with the value of the vehicle , also shipping can be roll on/roll off or container. Expect the other costs to be $4000 - $5000 ."

WOW:eek: pricy. SO is the 16-25K part of the $95K or on top of?

I still feel I didn't shoot my mouth off and blurt out a bunch of incorrect facts. All I said was "I doubt anything like the R34 GTR will ever come to North America. Since it would cost at least $60-$80K, I don't think Nissan would bring it here. " When I said "I doubt" and "I don't think" I thought that meant the same as 'in my opinion'. I wasn't claiming any facts. Just IMO stuff.

Oh well...
i think the 16-25k is part of the 95 b/c it states the 400r was 100k new. i guess we could call motorex to lay this to rest, but i don't c the need, but u can shawn if u want. peace

jonlisle20

03-27-2002, 06:03 PM

The latest issue of Sport Compact Car quotes Pierre Iforgothislastname (the head of Mitsubishi USA) as saying the Evolution will have OVER 250 horses. So far our info is correct. Something I didn't know is that the Evolution will be on sale in January 2003! (Man I really got to start saving!) He also stated that the Evolution WILL be under $30,000. Ahhhh....music to my ears. Bring it on. :)