Just got back from Dragstrip in Ontario

[Wesman]

I just ran my car at Sparta, Ontario where I ran:

60foot 2.309
1/8 9.315 @79.20
1/4 14.241 @99.13

backup run
60' 2.302
1/8 9.352 @79.20
1/4 14.26@99.80


This is with my mods below, no spare, no jack,
Sunoco 94 octane , no boost gauge so I don't know what psi.
About 60 degree weather , very sticky track.
I put ice bags on the motor for an hour, and with the stock tires set to 35psi front 45psi rear.

Mazdaspeed fans come out of the woodwork when you run low 14's.....

Thanks JoeP

[N1XRR]

Wait...all you have is a boost controller?

[dominoy2k1]

damn i would get a boost gauge if i were you, just to make sure you are not overboosting.....

[Wesman]

Joe P MBC & FP Reducer are the only power mods I've done.
The boost gauge is on order , has been for 2 weeks, come on Autometer!
Jesus Christ I just did the simple HP calculator I was making 225 HP at 2950 lbs of car weight.

[Wesman]

Oh yeah it ran a 14.60 @ 95.5 on a hot motor straight in off the backroads.

[Heathen23]

Great track times but you are going to blow your engine to bits if you don't get a boost gauge to make sure you are safely boosting. Be careful(nervous)

[YuYuRena]

No boost gauge before you turn up the boost? No offense, it's great time, but unless u like driving in the dark without lights, this is what you're doing with out a boost gauge. I would hate another MSP to blow its engine. just be careful please and pray often. But hot damn, with only a boost gauge and fpr u'r running a 14.2 nice time, sounds like a up and coming speedster, hehe

[Wesman]

Thanks for the concern boys, but I obviously have is set below 10 psi, I have never hit the fuel cut, and there is not a hint of detonation. The boost gauge is on order!

[SuperSpud]

I dont believe you.. I think I just said what many are thinking.. hate me if you will.. but with a simple boost controler and fp reducer, you will not be running 14.2's.. sorry.. unless your boost is set at like 18psi.. which it could be seeing as how you have no boost gauge..

[unwrittenLaw]

Originally posted by Wesman
Thanks for the concern boys, but I obviously have is set below 10 psi, I have never hit the fuel cut, and there is not a hint of detonation. The boost gauge is on order!


Umm..the fuel cut is not PSI-based..its based on airflow..this has been discussed many times.

[chinkysuavo]

um, the autometer boost gauge sucks. Mine is off by like 1, sometimes 2 psi!

[xsivspd]

I have met up with Wesman at this afternoon's autocross at the Hershey Center in Mississauga Ontario Canada. He showed me the time slips from the runs. There is no reason for mistrust here.

[Limited Edition]

Wesman, what track was this?
St.Thomas Dragway?

If it is, i find that the left lane is much gripper then the right lane for some strange reason. 14.2 is possible with a your weight estimate.

[2K3 MSP]

Originally posted by xsivspd
I have met up with Wesman at this afternoon's autocross at the Hershey Center in Mississauga Ontario Canada. He showed me the time slips from the runs. There is no reason for mistrust here.
I'm a true believer in the phrase "You gotta see it to believe it"...Now, I'm not gonna go off the handle and say he is lying, but anyone can show you a peice of paper...I mean, if JoeP himself has only hit a 14.2, I don't see anyone matching him. Joe even had the full exhaust, different plugs, and 14 psi. I'm not gonna call:bs: but maybe someone else will...

[Newf]

hey it's colder in Canada so our cars are faster :)

[tekkie]

I am sure it has alot to do with the cold, if he ran in 60 degrees most likely it was at night, and then the humidity was low, I feel a huge difference in mine here in toronto when its cool, feels like someone upped the boost again

blame the god damn crappy intercooler

[boostisgood]

Wesman, I want to believe you sir, BUT I ran 10 psi and open air filter, only ran a consistant 14.9X at 92.xx MPH. How can you possibly run over a half second faster ? not knowing your Boost level, the 10 degree temp diff woulnd not do it, and the track I ran was exceptionally sticky, with my tires at 20 PSI for more contact to the track.

I will scan my time slips, and ask you, please post yours. seeing as we had the same mods when we ran. :D

[ForceFed]

Originally posted by boostisgood
Wesman, I want to believe you sir, BUT I ran 10 psi and open air filter, only ran a consistant 14.9X at 92.xx MPH. How can you possibly run over a half second faster ? not knowing your Boost level, the 10 degree temp diff woulnd not do it, and the track I ran was exceptionally sticky, with my tires at 20 PSI for more contact to the track.

I will scan my time slips, and ask you, please post yours. seeing as we had the same mods when we ran. :D

Hey Craig!You just need to learn to drive!HA! J/K!
Wanna see some new pics of hard pipe?I got um comin' on a new thread post!
Threadjack off!
I beleive these times with letting the car cool down and with the right temps!
Great run and a great back up run!
Nice to see some good numbers!
Matt:D

[MSPDAVE125]

I am going to side with my Canadian brother Wesman.

There is no need to call BS. Wes is as honest as they come.

If the weather was a factor than so be it!

If you race in the heat, spend some money and compensate!

Keep your BS calls to your self.

This is not a competition to see who is better. Better yourself and we'll compliment you too!

The MP/H was consistent, this is totally legit.

Congrats Wes. I'll talk to you soon.

[Wesman]

Well boys I kinda thought that would get a reaction.

2K3 Mazdaspeed & Superspud - believe whatever you want. People in the stands didn't believe me and they were watching it live. They came over to say holy shit after I ran. I was expecting a 14.9 @ 95 so I was astounded as well.

Limited Edition - yes it was at St Thomas Dragway and in the left lane. It was also close to the end of the night, the sun had gone down and I had let the car cool off for almost two hours with ice bags on the engine.

Boostisgood - I don't know what to say, maybe not enough pressure in your tires? What kind of weather were you running in? I was launching it really hard, wheelspin was not a problem. I was holding the revs at about 4000 then easing it to the floor in first. I shifted to second close 7000, then 2-3, 3-4 were at 6500rpm. I left the air filter in as well, I heard that removing it can confuse your Mass air sensor. Did you mean you took yours out or put on a cone K&N?

[OutDriveU]

Just so you know the last guy who upped the boost on his MSP without a gauge blew his motor. In my opinion its just plain idiotic to up the boost without a gauge. But i guess if you have the money to buy a new motor than good luck. I mean you have a sweet new car and your taking a major risk pulling that crap.

Good Luck!!

[Wesman]

OutDriveU
I am aware, its not that high, and its not detonating. I have never hit the fuel cut. And I haven't touched it since I installed it. Now I won't touch it until I get the boost gauge in just to see where it was set.

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by boostisgood
Wesman, I want to believe you sir, BUT I ran 10 psi and open air filter, only ran a consistant 14.9X at 92.xx MPH. How can you possibly run over a half second faster ? not knowing your Boost level, the 10 degree temp diff woulnd not do it, and the track I ran was exceptionally sticky, with my tires at 20 PSI for more contact to the track.

I will scan my time slips, and ask you, please post yours. seeing as we had the same mods when we ran. :D

Not to get off topic, but i think your times are to slow for boosting at 10PSi and having a open air filter." I mean the MSP (STOCK) runs anywhere from Best 14.9-low 15's Stock With a good/Average driver. Your times should be anywhere from 14.5(best) to high 14's with running more boost at 10Psi. BTW good time still;)

[KyRaceFan]

Id stop order on the autometer POS you ordered, and get something like a DEFI series D. White face with amber backing, just like our stock gauges. Also, they are very accurate.
http://www.mvpmotorsports.com/Templates/frmTemplateH.asp?SubFolderID=415&SearchYN=N
Found em for 110-130 bucks on the web.
Its what im ordering soon.

By the way, nice times, but be careful!

[Wesman]

http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Wesman/st thomas.jpg

[dominoy2k1]

:eek: nice runs.....

[03speedprotege]

I believe you, I ran a 14.38 at 97.39 mphand a 14.41 @ 95.66 mph about a month ago. The weather was about 65 degrees. All I had was a AVCR boost controller and running right at 10 psi. It would spike to 11 psi at first then drop to 10 psi. I posted a thread about it on here I think that the thread is called 1/4 mile times for msp. By the way nice runs.

[Dexter]

wait, so you ran a cold engine (after the ice bags?)?

isnt that not good for the engine?

[Wesman]

Dexter the temp gauge was still reading half, so it wasn't literally a cold start. That would be some serious HP.

[ForceFed]

Cold engine,cool intake air=MORE HP!

Like I said before,NICE RUNS!
Matt:)

[Wesman]

I can't take any of the credit its all Mazdaspeed and JoeP making it haul ass.

[ForceFed]

Originally posted by Wesman
I can't take any of the credit its all Mazdaspeed and JoeP making it haul ass.

True!
But the driver does come into this somewhere!
LOL!
You may just be a better driver than some of the other guy's with the same mods running slower times.And yes,the air and engine temps do play a huge role in turbo HP numbers!
Matt:)

[Newf]

I don't know why it was so unbelievable. We got people here hitting 14.9 stock. So, 10 psi should be low 14's imho.

Get a boost gauge though bud. Too nice a car to ummmm.....blow up.

....represent!

[Ryan]

Originally posted by Wesman
Thanks for the concern boys, but I obviously have is set below 10 psi, I have never hit the fuel cut, and there is not a hint of detonation. The boost gauge is on order!

the fuel cut is not at 10 psi. it its extemely hot on a daily basis wherever you are you could be running as good at 13 psi easily without hitting the fuel cut.

[DiscreetSpeed]

^^^yah what he said

[Wesman]

Geez you guys should be lawyers, talk about going over the fine print. Ok I meant '10 psi' based on JoeP's explanation of it as it 10 psi given this temp, that humidity, this barometeric pressure, that air density, this frickin moon alignment. Wherever it is, I haven't hit it !

[Ryan]

crank the screw up a few notches and when u feel like u hit a brick wall, u'll know then just turn it down a notch

[YP5 Toronto]

great job..and thanks for sharing.....so many haters...its kinda sad to see.....

94 Octane +
Good weather conditions +
good tire set up +
a some balls (no boost guage)

and MOST importantly a GREAT driver

= the times you posted


Hey WES....how come you don't post more on the TOProtege.com board?

[kwiktsi]

Originally posted by 2K3 Mazdaspeed

I'm a true believer in the phrase "You gotta see it to believe it"...Now, I'm not gonna go off the handle and say he is lying, but anyone can show you a peice of paper...I mean, if JoeP himself has only hit a 14.2, I don't see anyone matching him. Joe even had the full exhaust, different plugs, and 14 psi. I'm not gonna call:bs: but maybe someone else will...

Umm- I was 10-11 psi :).. I also had worse 60' times. His times are 100% believable and accurate unlike other claims I have seen on this board :). Also, he was icing down his intake and motor- worth a bit here and there- I just kept piss pounding mine all night :).
Joe

[kwiktsi]

Originally posted by boostisgood
Wesman, I want to believe you sir, BUT I ran 10 psi and open air filter, only ran a consistant 14.9X at 92.xx MPH. How can you possibly run over a half second faster ? not knowing your Boost level, the 10 degree temp diff woulnd not do it, and the track I ran was exceptionally sticky, with my tires at 20 PSI for more contact to the track.

I will scan my time slips, and ask you, please post yours. seeing as we had the same mods when we ran. :D

No offense- but people have beaten that in stock form. I know you have the MBC, do you have the FPR kit also (can't remember)? That will make a big difference in performance.
Joe

[kwiktsi]

Originally posted by YP5 Toronto
great job..and thanks for sharing.....so many haters...its kinda sad to see.....

94 Octane +
Good weather conditions +
good tire set up +
a some balls (no boost guage)

and MOST importantly a GREAT driver

= the times you posted


Hey WES....how come you don't post more on the TOProtege.com board?

It is kind of sad to see. It is not like wesman has anything to gain or lose trying to convince a bunch of people OVER THE INTERNET that his car ran low 14's. It is not like he is claiming 13.3@119 or anything :D ... He is not trying to sell anything, he is not trying to beat anyone else, he is not racing for $$$, etc.. It is a measily 14.2 run that he is happy with and wanted to share with others.. No offense guys, but there are far greater claims to make up than a 14 second car :rolleyes: .. Not saying it is slow or unimpressive- but I'm sure wesman has much better things to do with his time than make false claims about a 14 second car. Jeesh people... This is all part of the reason I sold my MSP- too much baby shit :(..
Joe

[Wesman]

I just wanted you boys to know what's possible.

[MazdaProbeGT]

Excellent times!!! Maybe drop your tire psi to get some better 60's. Try 15-20 PSI. Or if you're serious, try getting some drag radials. I had some nitto 555r's on the probe... they were heavy bitches, and probably hurt my trap speeds, but they definitely helped my 60's and my overall ET's. Took my 60's from 2.35 to 2.15's and got me in the 13's.

And to all the doubters out there... don't hate on this guy just because he may be a better driver than you. :o

[Wesman]

I just installed my autometer boost gauge today, I was running 12 psi spikes, steady at 9 psi once pulling hard. Its drawing 18psi of vacuum at idle. Its possible I was up to 13 at the drag strip on a cold motor. I hit the fuel cut for the first time friday night, got in and punched it with a cold motor, and hit it in second gear at 3000rpm.

[Wesman]

Does anybody know how to wire the lights for the gauges into the dimmer switch so that I can control the amount of light with the rest of the stock gauges. I have it wired into the middle wire, C on the protege manual diagram. Right now its varies inversely with the dash lights. Its bright on the pillar when its dark on the dash. Opps. Do I have to buy a new dimmer switch and wire all my new gauges to that.

[ForceFed]

The dmmer switch on the Pro's uses a reverse ground set-up for dimming.I tried to locate a way to make my gauges dim as well but with no luck?I am very good at wiring too!
BTW,your track numbers are right in line with mine.14.3@98 on sat. afternoon.
Back to the gauges,I thought about tying into the ground for my gauges,as this is where I beleive that our gauges dim.Instead of tying into the positive you could tie into the ground off the dimmer switch.I'm not sure if this would work but it is something that I was thinking of trying when I got around to it.
Just my .02 cents
Matt:)