traded in my Mazdaspeed for an SRT [Archive]

twztdmazdaspeed

07-01-2003, 01:08 AM

sorry, i know every1 is gonna hate me but i did it. i wanted an srt 1st, but couldnt get them in my area, and they finally got them. Ok i will give every1 the pros and cons of both cars.

MAZDASPEED PROS: killer paint, stereo, wheels, basically all the exterior stuff. CONS: THE ENGINE SUX. i can drive good, and i just didnt like how the car had pretty serious turbo lag. i didnt understand why mazda just slapped a tiny turbo on there, w/out the chance to really tune it. Had to worry about warrenty too much. i thought the car would be more than it was power wise. A GREAT car in every other way. plus the hesitation that no 1 wants to fix.
NOW FOR THE SRT. if any1 has drove 1, it is night and day from the mazdaspeed, power wise. which is really what i wanted. No i dont go out and street race, but if i pay for a turbo car, it better be fast. NO TURBO LAG AT ALL. soon as u hit the gas it goes. 15psi if the weather is hot. despite what every1 says, its not a shitty car. interior is very nice, gauges look indiglo, even boost gauge. shifter is 100% better on the hand than mazdaspeed. the seats are VERY nice, u fit right in them. Dodge also has a wide variety of FACTORY WARRENTIED parts giving the car up to 300hp & Blowoff valve which i have ordered already is a nice touch.

I just wanted a car the is MADE to be fast, w/out worrying about warrenty and tearing anything up. if u want just looks and want to have to add alot more to get good power, go w/ the mazda, if u want a powerhouse and want to customize the looks yourself go w/ the SRT. ITS ALL ABOUT PERSONAL TASTE

MoSqUiTo

07-01-2003, 01:11 AM

well at least you did it with the right reasons in mind...thats all i haveta say...but have fun with the NEON!!!!!!!! hehe

PCGenious

07-01-2003, 01:13 AM

Hey man, I dont think anyone will really hate you. I mean it was your choice and if you are happy that is all that really matters. I am glad you like the SRT, hopefully mazda will learn from these problems once they decide to make the SPEED 6. Good luck with your new car.

Captain KRM P5

07-01-2003, 01:14 AM

hey i'm disappointed - where are the pissin' flamers in this thread? where's the steamy slander and vicious criticism? where's the scores of "my msp is better than your srt for blah blah blah..."

guess I'll have to go back to day time soaps for my drama fix now ;) congrats on your purchase, man. enjoy your new ride.

REMillers

07-01-2003, 01:20 AM

Lesson learned: If you aren't happy with what you got then go out and get what makes you happy. No reason to flame that.....but of course come day break when the "children" wake up the flames will come.

They are asleep right now with visions of clunk free and hesitation free thoughts dancing in their heads. :D

*pre-sprays thread with flame proofing*

servoeyes

07-01-2003, 01:26 AM

Hey! Not all of us children are asleep yet...though I should be...(and I'm not real a child). Anywho...my car looks better as you're passing it! That's alright, though...to each his own, I'm just not a big fan of the Neon in any way shape or form. Don't blow that engine too quickly, though...I assume you had already broken in the MSP, so don't drive the Neon like you stole it! Good luck in your srt-y ventures!

RaMRoD_mp3

07-01-2003, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by REMillers

They are asleep right now with visions of clunk free and hesitation free thoughts dancing in their heads. :D

*pre-sprays thread with flame proofing*

hahaha

I really dont have a problem with the SRT-4...i saw a red one in the worcester, ma area and i was impressed on how loud the BOV was in it..sounded REAL nice!

anyways, i hope u enjoy the SRT! :D I actually almost got one myself

brennan

07-01-2003, 01:32 AM

I kind of like the srt-4, all I can say is have fun, man I'd get into to much trouble with a car that fast.:D I'll be happy when I have my msp at 250whp which could be a while from now but joe says it is possible. We'll see in the future. Good luck! Also don't beat up on the msp's on the road to bad:D You used to own one!!

FBI14

07-01-2003, 01:43 AM

Do u kick ur women to the curb if they have a couple problems

REMillers

07-01-2003, 01:53 AM

A couple nah, more than a couple then yes :D
Or if you married then only to find out they she didn't come with what you thought-Yes.
:p

FBI14

07-01-2003, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by REMillers
A couple nah, more than a couple then yes :D
Or if you married then only to find out they she didn't come with what you thought-Yes.
:p

i dont even wanna know

REMillers

07-01-2003, 02:09 AM

i dont even wanna know
LOL its best that way, don't want anyone having nightmares tonight.

OutDriveU

07-01-2003, 02:17 AM

the Neon is only faster in a straight line. Try laying that power down coming out of a corner. Plus suspension wise its pretty average but if you want power in a straight line then you have found your car.

FBI14

07-01-2003, 02:24 AM

redrims

07-01-2003, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by twztdmazdaspeed
sorry, i know every1 is gonna hate me but i did it. i wanted an srt 1st, but couldnt get them in my area, and they finally got them. Ok i will give every1 the pros and cons of both cars.

What dealership did you go to, because I'm trying to get one also?

The dealership around my area is only getting them one at a time. Its first come first serve because they aren't having a wait list.

scapamouche

07-01-2003, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by OutDriveU
the Neon is only faster in a straight line. Try laying that power down coming out of a corner. Plus suspension wise its pretty average but if you want power in a straight line then you have found your car.

I got a real object lesson in the power delivery yesterday at the local autox... A fellow was there with his nice new SRT-4, and he couldn't use ANY of it's power: every time he tried to give it gas, the inside tire would light up. Period. The car seems to have NO lag, which is great, but the iffy tires and lack of LSD make it a losing proposition in my book. I'd rather have the lower power level, but be able to use it ALL....

Just my .02, though.... best of luck with it.

When are you changing your ID? ;)

LinuxRacr

07-01-2003, 03:05 AM

It's great that noone flamed our boi. Best of luck to you bro with your SRT-4. I'm not a hater!!

kwiktsi

07-01-2003, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by LinuxRacr
It's great that noone flamed our boi. Best of luck to you bro with your SRT-4. I'm not a hater!!
Damn- yash- if you're there, I think your ADD is rubbing off on me- now I want a Neon again since I am thinking about it :).. If only I could get them to give another auto loan... They would make a nice pair!!!

Anyway- good luck with your car. You gave up too easy, but you got a car that is ready to go out of the box. When we gonna line them up though- you know the fast SRT 4 against my slow, laggy MSP :) lol -j/k.. Seriously though- you consider the MSP laggy? Damn, this is the fastest spooling turbo car I have owned in ages- buth when your other car has a turbo trhe size of your head, I guess anything below 5200 rpms (where my talon starts to pull :) ) is "quick spool"!!!
Joe

OrangeMSP

07-01-2003, 03:19 AM

yashooa is gonna hit the fakin roof ! cant wait to see what he has to say about this one , i have been waiting for this day!

LinuxRacr

07-01-2003, 03:21 AM

Uh oh....

twztdmazdaspeed

07-01-2003, 03:25 AM

thanx for being nice to me, since im the enemy now. lol. but as u stated, i wanted a car the was ready to go out of the box. my mazda dealer told me, "if u do ANYTHING to this car it can void the warrenty". i know the warrenty rules and stuff. i just didnt like the hassle. its easier said than done when it comes to battling the dealer. damn that orange was pretty. i just wanted a faster car. 6.9psi? thats not alot for a turbo car. but the mazdaspeed did have all the bells and whistles. i cant down the car other than the engine and lack of aftermarket and Mazda support.

loj68

07-01-2003, 07:47 AM

I would never be able to get over the fact that it's a NEON.....they're notoriously one of the most recalled POS cars ever produced....throwing a turbo and an exhaust on it doesn't change that fact.....one of my old GF's had a fast domestic once....it was a Pontiac Grand Prix turbo....fast as balls going straight but it was in the shop every god damn week. I wouldn't necessarily call this a flame, but anyone here who knows how horribly built domestics still are (don't believe the hype) I wouldn't drive one under ANY circumstance. But hey, if it's what you want, then that's all that matters I guess....I mean my neighbor just got all hyped about buying a new Mustang GT.....ugh!

boostisgood

07-01-2003, 07:49 AM

SRT-WHAT ? I still get calls from dealers I was asking about the SRT. Piss on the damn thing, DCX took too damn long to release it here, wouldnt give me any info, and Its just a neon with :D

(ino ino the MSP is JUST a protege, but a protege is a hell of alot nicer then the Turd )

J/K bro I hope your happy with your new vehicle. It is a FAST ASS MACHINE. :D enjoy

CruzinAltitude

07-01-2003, 08:15 AM

Let me begin by saying even Dodge dealers want to hide the fact that the SRT-4 is still just infact a NEON. I test drove one a few days ago on my lunch break and I made a comment at one point about being suprised that there was that much power put into a NEON. The sales guy (who knew less about the car than I did) said, "Its not a NEON, its the new SRT-4." I told him not to bullshit me, its obviously a NEON, and he said that in the meeting to "get to know the car," they were told to downplay the fact that it is a NEON. Sad, thats all I can say. That being said . . . twztdmazdaspeed, if your happy with your new car, who cares wtf I or anyone else thinks. As long as you get in the drivers seat and feel good about your car, good for you. My Pro 5 gives me that joy, despite only having 130 NA ponies. (I wouldn't trade it for an SRT-4 if you paid me, but thats just me!)

AGR

07-01-2003, 09:22 AM

That's what matters most. Life is too short. Obviously; we hate to lose you as a MAZDASPEED owner; but congrats on your new found happiness! :D

yashooa

07-01-2003, 09:39 AM

Oh how the siren’s call of the straight line has slain another.
Well at least you will have a car that goes well with Nazkar, Ka-oors lite, and
them pork rinds. You can beat the cops back to your trailer now after another wife beating episode at the local Goat stumpers club well provided the road doesn’t take too many extreme turns along the way.
Dodge engineer answers a pissed off SRTurd-4 owner “What you wanted it to turn to!
Don’t worry about those turns son just think how cool you’ll look drifting into a tree.”
Then a little black MSP drives by this turd-impaled tree with a quick double tap to his horn BEEP BEEP; like the roadrunner to Wylie E. Coyote. Of course then we have to have the cop at the seen look a the camera and go in perfect piganese “Dadubada Dubada That’s all Folk’s. :eek:

Hey I love my car and don't have single problem but if I did maybe I would feel differently. Good luck with the ,"Why is there corn in my seat?" mobile. :D

MP3intheSTL

07-01-2003, 09:59 AM

I would rather drive a slow car fast!
Than be a owner of a NEON! j/k:p

OutDriveU

07-01-2003, 10:03 AM

Like they say " The straights are for the amatuers.
The corners are for the professionals."

Scamp: I test drove a Neon and same deal; when I exited the corners and tried to apply power the inside tyre just went wild. No one has autocrossed one by me yet so I havent seen what they can do but im not too worried

REMillers

07-01-2003, 11:09 AM

The strength of the SRT-4 on autocrosses has yet to truly been seen, but don't count it out. Pass Neon’s most notably the ACR have ruled SCCA since they were introduced. Sadly though they seem to be getting rid of this car that was designed by Auto crossers for Auto crossers. Believe the pass Neon’s holds around 31+ SCCA Championships and other records.

Seems Dodge left off some components on purpose to keep the car in the price range. Where the MSP lacked in power they made up for in slightly better handling. And thus the Neon left off some handling for the more power.
Now which is easier to gain back? Power or Handling. The Neon's chassis is still solid and well built so little flex to worry about there.
It currently runs zero camber and strangely sized tires. Swap a new set of rubber on there and a camber adjustment plate plus buy the upgraded Limited Diff to be offered and bam you should have a good Auto crosser.
And beauty of it all.....Dodge is actually offering those parts (limited diff, turbo upgrades etc.)

Should be some good compention coming up for you MSP guys to tool around with. Hopefully swelled heads don't over come and everyone can get along. After all you are all there to enjoy a sport and thus have common ground. Enjoy the ride..

JMS'sMSP

07-01-2003, 02:46 PM

How much did the SRT-4 cost and how much did they give you for the MSP?

kwiktsi

07-01-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by JMS'sMSP
How much did the SRT-4 cost and how much did they give you for the MSP?
Yeah, I was kind of curious also- how much did you end up losing on the deal since you traded a new car in- had to be upside down a bit depending on downpayment.. Just curious since the idea to do the same has crossed my mind a few times. Thanks.
Joe

fkmp5

07-01-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by FBI14
Do u kick ur women to the curb if they have a couple problems

why not. i was married for 18 days. then separated and finally divorced. if you're not happy with what you've got, don't suffer with it. today i'm in a much better and happier situation!! it's all personal taste.

i'm sure the SRT-4 will provide much more enjoyment to someone who really wanted one in the first place!! I drove 2 neons prior to my MP5 and I still think it's a fun car to drive. I don't understand why the Mazda heads are so jealous of the neon and quick to bash it!! Granted, I still prefer my Mazda, but I don't rag on others who have a neon. I would have been in the market for an SRT-4 also if you could have gotten a sunroof as an option and a few other goodies (like power door locks all the way around, and a better stereo).

Newf

07-01-2003, 03:36 PM

is canada ever going to get the srt4? I wanted to test drive one before getting the speed, but, none to be found.

by the way, hope you enjoy. Keep us up to date. I'm curious to know of any problems with this car as time passes.

AGR

07-01-2003, 05:02 PM

you don't go to Dodge to test drive the SRT-4s rear windows. The mother fuckers are crank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (owned)

REMillers

07-01-2003, 05:08 PM

hehe or go on long trips with the MSP...those things have no cruise control...(owned) lol

*runs away before AGR sends Foster after me*

AGR

07-01-2003, 05:10 PM

Cruise Control is on the wife's ES, you silly!!!!

The MAZDASPEED is way tooooo much fun to ever need a cruise control!

1sty

07-01-2003, 05:12 PM

Good luck with the new car and drop in now and again to give updates with it for good or bad.

Enjoy (thumb)

PaulMP3

07-01-2003, 05:15 PM

If you want power than the srt4 is a beast. Sweet car

bruce95fmla

07-01-2003, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by AGR#7
Cruise Control is on the wife's ES, you silly!!!!

The MAZDASPEED is way tooooo much fun to ever need a cruise control!

Yeah , wait till you take the msp on a 400-500 mile trip .. or better yet a 1000 mile trip...
you will want that CC then

Captain KRM P5

07-01-2003, 06:16 PM

i put about 25,000 miles a year on my cars - cruise control is a must, turbo or no turbo. but, as the saying in this thread goes; "it's all about personal taste!" :D

bruce95fmla

07-01-2003, 06:21 PM

I have to admit.. I honestly thought you would have caught the flame of your life with that post....
I opened the page. red the opening lines , my heart shook and a thought came about that said...
"This man has huge huevo's" ...(no homo) ....

anyway .. as someone mentioned earlier if you have two cars and one has the horsepower and lack the handling , and the other one lacks the horsepower but has plenty handling.. It would be much easier to work on the car with the added hp, but with low handeling especially if the car has a rigid chassis and the aftermarket for suspension tunning.

If you have a car on the reverse with not enough power but sweet handleing, then you are faced with worrying about fuel curves, leaning out, overboosting, hp numbers and so forth... :wtf:

I personally love the MSP, mainly for the styling , but damn it hurts to know that if I had a MSP I really could not tess a SRT cause I would have to wonder if he would burn my doors while running around me ...

But styling hands down the MSP gets it .. the SRT just looks like a NEON:bs: and therefore it is ...
neon srt forum??? ..

but at anyrate good luck with your new SRT-4 ... The most important part of any Protege or NEON is enjoying it .. no paying for it ..
Bruce

bruce95fmla

07-01-2003, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Captain KRM P5
i put about 25,000 miles a year on my cars - cruise control is a must, turbo or no turbo. but, as the saying in this thread goes; "it's all about personal taste!" :D

Yeah that's true ,..
No Cruise is like a MSP with no A/C ... in my eyes anyway....
bad enough the car has no damn sunroof.. that alone is a sin...:eek:

REMillers

07-01-2003, 07:02 PM

LOL you would never catch AGR on a long road trip with the MSP. He had to he'd probably go buy a truck and trailer it around :p

Wait I know! Perfect solution to the "MSP doesn't have this-SRT doesn't have that".......Ready.....Also buy a Protege ES! There you go. You would have a car for performance (MSP-SRT) and a pratical everyday enjoyable car. :D

buster

07-01-2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by OutDriveU
the Neon is only faster in a straight line. Try laying that power down coming out of a corner. Plus suspension wise its pretty average but if you want power in a straight line then you have found your car.
Common misconception.......very minor tweeks make the SRT4 handle like a mad. The suspension is identical to the MSP by the way, just not as tweaked.

buster

07-01-2003, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by bruce95fmla

But styling hands down the MSP gets it .. the SRT just looks like a NEON:bs:

Funny, although I really like the MSP, it still looks like a Protege.....

SRT4 is rumoured to be released in Canada around early August, as the 04 model with a sunroof and a stock LSD. So much for the "burning up the inside tire" comments LOL:p One less thing to pick on. I have power fronts and crank rears on my R/T and never once have I needed to use a power rear window, especially knowing that they only go 1/2 way down. Many Euro cars have power fronts and crank rears as well.

buster

07-01-2003, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by loj68
I would never be able to get over the fact that it's a NEON.....they're notoriously one of the most recalled POS cars ever produced....
Look CLOSELY at the 2nd gen car and you would see it is as good or better than many imports. Also look at the PT and PT Turbo, they have been VERY solid as well and are built on the Neon platform and many similar parts and materials.

AGR

07-01-2003, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by bruce95fmla

Yeah , wait till you take the msp on a 400-500 mile trip .. or better yet a 1000 mile trip...
you will want that CC then

Bruce,,,Bruce,,,Bruce; I am 49 years old, and have been driving many years. A sunroof, and cruise control are luxuries I have experienced in the past. I can certainly get by just fine without them. Ain't no biggie! I hardly ever used the cruise on my last car. 1,000 road trip? Not anymore! I will fly.

boostisgood

07-01-2003, 08:03 PM

I drove my MSP to Jersey on the last weekend. Left saturday, judged a show, and drove back sunday. over 800 miles round trip. I did not miss my CC at all.

Its like having an automatic, your not really "Driving" just turning a wheel. No fun in that for me, but again, I love long road trips, so to each thier own. :D

yashooa

07-01-2003, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by buster

Common misconception.......very minor tweeks make the SRT4 handle like a mad. The suspension is identical to the MSP by the way, just not as tweaked.

Common misconception......very minor tweaks can make the MSP drive like mad...MBC 10-15PSI, exhaust, cooler plugs, and FCD.
30 for MBC (group buy), 1050 for Exhaust, and 60 for FCD.
:D

Really? It has Tokico struts, Racing Beat springs / sway bars, 215/45/17 Potenza tires and Racing Hart wheels? Damn did not know that. :p

OutDriveU

07-01-2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by buster

Common misconception.......very minor tweeks make the SRT4 handle like a mad. The suspension is identical to the MSP by the way, just not as tweaked.

WTF i drove a damn neon and the suspension is not the same, yeah what Yaoosha said. DUde have u driven both cars? They feel really different.

scapamouche

07-01-2003, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by OutDriveU
Like they say " The straights are for the amatuers.
The corners are for the professionals."

Scamp: I test drove a Neon and same deal; when I exited the corners and tried to apply power the inside tyre just went wild. No one has autocrossed one by me yet so I havent seen what they can do but im not too worried

Scamp???? :confused: :p

When I test drove one, the power WAS great, but the tires totally gave it up in turns: I took an onramp at 25, about 15mph slower than the MSP will go, and the car was unstable and the tires were squealing like pigs....

To each his own, but I'm glad I got the MSP, even with the $400 power upgrade kit that DODGE is selling for the SRT... WTF, MAZDA?!?!?!?!?!

buster

07-01-2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by yashooa

Common misconception......very minor tweaks can make the MSP drive like mad...MBC 10-15PSI, exhaust, cooler plugs, and FCD.
30 for MBC (group buy), 1050 for Exhaust, and 60 for FCD.
:D

Really? It has Tokico struts, Racing Beat springs / sway bars, 215/45/17 Potenza tires and Racing Hart wheels? Damn did not know that. :p

The wheels mean almost nothing they weigh almost the same from info I have heard on this board. The SRT could do a lot better with 215 or 225's and the R/T's were always applauded for doing a lot handling wise with less tire than other cars. It has sway bars but not the spring strut combo of the MSP, I'll give you that, but the mopar unit's in the car are nothing to scoff at either. The MSP superior handling has a lot to do with the tire and camber differences, still the SRT could have better shocks.
The suspension DESIGN is what I was referring to not COMPONENTS by the way, and they both have identical design, just a slightly different execution.

Dexter

07-02-2003, 02:31 AM

Congrats on the car, hope you like it.

on a side note, how many times do we have to go throught these srt4 arguments? the next person that says the SRT4 sucks because it has crank rear windows (who gives a fuck) or the mazdaspeed protege looks better, so its obviously a better car, will get thier post edited to say "I am 12 years old."

thanks.

pshaw34

07-02-2003, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by scapamouche

To each his own, but I'm glad I got the MSP, even with the $400 power upgrade kit that DODGE is selling for the SRT... WTF, MAZDA?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah all the srt owners thought that they would get around 260 hp with the stage 1 they can buy. I saw the First dyno numbers, with a stage 1, the guy got 7 hp. HAHA 7 hp for 400 bucks

1sty

07-02-2003, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Dexter
Congrats on the car, hope you like it.

on a side note, how many times do we have to go throught these srt4 arguments? the next person that says the SRT4 sucks because it has crank rear windows (who gives a fuck) or the mazdaspeed protege looks better, so its obviously a better car, will get thier post edited to say "I am 12 years old."

thanks.

Flex those Mod Muscles Dex!
(nuts)

LinuxRacr

07-02-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Dexter

.....on a side note, how many times do we have to go throught these srt4 arguments? the next person that says the SRT4 sucks because it has crank rear windows (who gives a fuck) or the mazdaspeed protege looks better, so its obviously a better car.....

Thank you! That is getting a little old...big letters above!:D

REMillers

07-02-2003, 09:50 AM

LOL.

*shakes head and leaves thread alone*

Lawerence

07-02-2003, 10:03 AM

I didnt read this whole thread, but your first post said it.
It seems like you were looking for some SPEED. Then the SRT is definitely the way to go. With the $400 mopar kit people are running mid 13s.
I've sat in them, driven them, and raced one. They are nice cars, well worth the 20K asking price, as is the MSP.

Even though I love my car (and have never seen another one!!), i hate to say some of you act like we are driving ferraris. The truth is we are all in souped up economy cars and both (SRT, MSP) kick ass so why not appreciate & get along?

buster

07-02-2003, 10:14 AM

Agreed, Lawerence...and Dex.

REMillers

07-02-2003, 10:26 AM

Actually why must just about every discussion of different cars turn into huge flame wars? This post didn't really get there compared to others but it eventually happens.
Aren't we all car lovers? Can't we just sit and discuss strengths and weakness openly and learn?

Hmpf I dunno, maybe I just need more coffee.

AGR

07-02-2003, 10:45 AM

These cars are all so very much alike; who really cares? We obviously bought the car, we wanted to buy. Well; except Buster. He just comes along when someone begins talking about the SRT-4 (again, again,,,,,,& again). And; so what if the SRT-4 has 'crank windows'. Maybe Chrysler went over budget, and couldn't afford power windows in the back. Do I think it's cheap? Oh yeah! I think it's bullshit. I don't drive one, so I lose no sleep over it. :wtf:

I think we all need a Love-In.

(k) (k) (k)

buster

07-02-2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by AGR#7
These cars are all so very much alike; who really cares? We obviously bought the car, we wanted to buy. Well; except Buster. He just comes along when someone begins talking about the SRT-4 (again, again,,,,,,& again). And; so what if the SRT-4 has 'crank windows'. Maybe Chrysler went over budget, and couldn't afford power windows in the back. Do I think it's cheap? Oh yeah! I think it's bullshit. I don't drive one, so I lose no sleep over it. :wtf:

I think we all need a Love-In.

(k) (k) (k)
You keep believing that AGR. Yes I jump in on the SRT threads and a few others as well, but you don't bring that up as it is easier for you to try and tear me down by saying that I only post on SRT threads. Whatever keeps you feeling better, if thats what it takes.

MazdaspeedZOOM

07-02-2003, 11:04 AM

Ok when I was looking to buy a new car, I was going between the MSP and the SRT-4. What made me go with the MSP over the SRT-4, well one late night I was driving home, sitting at an intersection I watched an older dodge caravan smash straight into a neon. The neon exploded apon impact and bust into flames. That in it's self was more than enough to settle me on the fact that the Neon is one giant POS and I won't even drive near them on the roads cause I wouldn't want one to explode next to me. Have fun, whoever bought the SRT-4, just becareful to not get into an accident cause your car will probably explode.

AGR

07-02-2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by buster

You keep believing that AGR. Yes I jump in on the SRT threads and a few others as well, but you don't bring that up as it is easier for you to try and tear me down by saying that I only post on SRT threads. Whatever keeps you feeling better, if thats what it takes.

Buster....No! Don't take that the wrong way. We are cool! :cool: I didn't mean that as a bad thing. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

LinuxRacr

07-02-2003, 11:09 AM

Thanks for clearing that up ARG...I thought this thread was about to spontaneously combust, and thus be tossed in the dumpster. It's all good now.

murdock_

07-02-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by MazdaspeedZOOM
Have fun, whoever bought the SRT-4, just becareful to not get into an accident cause your car will probably explode.

LOL (laugh)

AGR

07-02-2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by LinuxRacr
Thanks for clearing that up ARG...I thought this thread was about to spontaneously combust, and thus be tossed in the dumpster. It's all good now.

Damn it, Man!~!!!! It's AGR :D

I know,,,, And; for the longest time; there was some peace when the SRT-4 was mentioned (if only for a short time). I do not wish to be held responsible for another war!! (chair)

mazdadan

07-02-2003, 11:15 AM

I'd be interested to see how the '04 SRT-4s perform. When I was at the Dodge dealer buying my new truck, they told me they sent back a bunch of '03s because of a recall. Aparently Dodge said that if their existing stock was not already sold, they had to go back to the factory. Aparently Dodge decided that an LSD was needed and will be releasing it on the '04 models.

buster

07-02-2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by AGR#7

Buster....No! Don't take that the wrong way. We are cool! :cool: I didn't mean that as a bad thing. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

Alright man, I know we agree to disagree and that is cool with me, I retract that last post.:) :cool:

yashooa

07-02-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by AGR#7

Damn it, Man!~!!!! It's AGR :D

I know,,,, And; for the longest time; there was some peace when the SRT-4 was mentioned (if only for a short time). I do not wish to be held responsible for another war!! (chair)

Yes ARG you saved the thread what does ARG mean anyway?
Is it some kind of Naz-Kar Nic-name? I knew you (ARG) were a lover of circle track motor sports.
The mighty ARG slayer of all who threaten to drag threads down into the fiery pits of a flame war.

AGR

07-02-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by buster

Alright man, I know we agree to disagree and that is cool with me, I retract that last post.:) :cool:

We agree on some things. We both have been around here for awhile now, and I think we both have some valid statements on sub-compact cars. Are you going to be making a purchase soon, or still checking things out?

buster

07-02-2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by mazdadan
I'd be interested to see how the '04 SRT-4s perform. When I was at the Dodge dealer buying my new truck, they told me they sent back a bunch of '03s because of a recall. Aparently Dodge said that if their existing stock was not already sold, they had to go back to the factory. Aparently Dodge decided that an LSD was needed and will be releasing it on the '04 models.

To the best of my knowledge there has been no recall on SRT4's. The only reason why I could see them going back is if the factory is going to install LSD's.

LinuxRacr

07-02-2003, 11:27 AM

The new LSD better be strong!

buster

07-02-2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by AGR#7

We agree on some things. We both have been around here for awhile now, and I think we both have some valid statements on sub-compact cars. Are you going to be making a purchase soon, or still checking things out?
True, true. I am going to see of the local Mazda dealer will let me test drive a MSP today. Dunno, they didn't seem to keen last time. I understand the need to keep them fresh for a buyer, but there is now way in hell I would buy a car w/o a test drive. I want to see of they offer a rebate here as well. When I talked to them before they said they could throw in some service for free but the price of the car is set. For the cost of a new MSP I can get a low mileage WRX, and say what you will, but the WRX is an incredible all round car. Wife and I were talking and we were going to decide by mid month but now we might wait until August. The next car is going to be around for 5+ yrs so I want to make sure I make the right decision for us, and the little one on the way. I also autoX my car so I want something that can do it all.

AGR

07-02-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by buster

True, true. I am going to see of the local Mazda dealer will let me test drive a MSP today. Dunno, they didn't seem to keen last time. I understand the need to keep them fresh for a buyer, but there is now way in hell I would buy a car w/o a test drive. I want to see of they offer a rebate here as well. When I talked to them before they said they could throw in some service for free but the price of the car is set. For the cost of a new MSP I can get a low mileage WRX, and say what you will, but the WRX is an incredible all round car. Wife and I were talking and we were going to decide by mid month but now we might wait until August. The next car is going to be around for 5+ yrs so I want to make sure I make the right decision for us, and the little one on the way. I also autoX my car so I want something that can do it all.

That's crazy! I completely agree. I drove 2 MSPs at two different dealers before making my purchase. A person should always be allowed to test drive a car, before considering the purchase!

REMillers

07-02-2003, 11:42 AM

Not being allowed to test drive cars is becoming a dealer fad recently. Several people have complain about not being able to with the MSPs even after having the credit approval. Roomate went to test drive a SRT but they wouldn't let it even approvals. Sad really. Dealers seem so hooked on the "ohh its limited or hard to get" and won't let people take them out. But the test drive is probably one of the biggest selling points of any cars. You can look over figures all you want but they can't expect someone to buy one without driving it.
It only took 2miles with my P5 before I wanted it. Could gone and gotten a SVT but like the feel of the P5 more. Same true for the MSP, its the ride that sells alot of people.

buster

07-02-2003, 11:54 AM

When I test drove the SpecV, they practilly threw the keys at me to drive it. Have you guys had any more problems with the clunk or hesitation, BTW??

yashooa

07-02-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by buster
When I test drove the SpecV, they practilly threw the keys at me to drive it. Have you guys had any more problems with the clunk or hesitation, BTW??

I have neither clunk nor hesitation and at 10-12 PSI the car runs much better. I have never really had either problem.

twiztedjeckel

07-02-2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by buster
Have you guys had any more problems with the clunk or hesitation, BTW??

yeah i had a similar problem last week when i heard this weird clunking noise. turns out it was the neon in front of me falling apart. the only hesitation i experianced was when i had second thoughts about driving through it rather than around it

Newf

07-02-2003, 01:37 PM

LOL

yashooa

07-02-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by twiztedjeckel

yeah i had a similar problem last week when i heard this weird clunking noise. turns out it was the neon in front of me falling apart. the only hesitation i experianced was when i had second thoughts about driving through it rather than around it

You have felt the sting of JECKY! Beware o turd pilot for he bears a vicious and excruciating wit. Run back to the safe haven of your Turd warren. Cuddle and feel the warmth of your fellows so fecally inclined. Yes Busty it's back to the bowl for you!
Quickly now flush yourself away. A Neon with a flushing toilet sound for a horn...how appropriate.

LinuxRacr

07-02-2003, 02:30 PM

LOL!!! Watch it folks..

AGR

07-02-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by LinuxRacr
LOL!!! Watch it folks..

Linux!~ You a Rippingtons fan?

bruce95fmla

07-02-2003, 07:20 PM

bruce95fmla

07-02-2003, 07:23 PM

is there a SRT forum....
I would love to see some of there comments on the MSP/SRT-4

bruce95fmla

07-02-2003, 07:49 PM

Here is a SRT-4 forum ...
one of them that I have found ....
SRT-4 Forums (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=31)

jaman

07-02-2003, 09:01 PM

I heard it's true that if you do any "timed events" with an SRT-4 you will void your warranty. Even as much as an offical autocross event will cause you to forfit your warranty. If that is true what is the point of buying a "sporty" car, unless Chrysler is scared their car might not be able to take it.

mazdaspeedpower

07-02-2003, 09:41 PM

Straight line speed goes to the SRT-4, but to get the cornering power you have to drop $2000cdn, when me, the MSP owner can drop that on his engine and make as much power as you and have the better quality of Mazda, but hey, if it makes you happy, then whatever, right? Have fun going straight and passing me, but when the corner comes, watch out...evil laugh heard from the depths.

tekkie

07-02-2003, 09:45 PM

jaman I cant see them being able to void you warranty because you have time slips, good look for them to push that through court

pshaw34

07-02-2003, 09:46 PM

stock srt 4 wheels are so freakin ugly

twiztedjeckel

07-02-2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by pshaw34
stock srt 4 wheels are so freakin ugly

and have you not seen the rest of the fuckin car?

buster

07-02-2003, 10:09 PM

twiztedjeckel

07-02-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by mazdaspeedpower
Straight line speed goes to the SRT-4, but to get the cornering power you have to drop $2000cdn, when me, the MSP owner can drop that on his engine and make as much power as you and have the better quality of Mazda, but hey, if it makes you happy, then whatever, right? Have fun going straight and passing me, but when the corner comes, watch out...evil laugh heard from the depths.

cause there's so many street encounters you come upon that happen in corners:rolleyes:

i'e never heard anybody say to another person, "hey,you wanna race around this corner up here?"

kwiktsi

07-02-2003, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by twiztedjeckel

cause there's so many street encounters you come upon that happen in corners:rolleyes:

i'e never heard anybody say to another person, "hey,you wanna race around this corner up here?"

Thats just because you haven't seen 2 Fast and 2 Furious yet :).
Joe

twiztedjeckel

07-02-2003, 10:59 PM

tisk tisk silly me. my head must have been up my ass again. then again i don't know of many people that would jump bridges or run a kick ass supra into a wall. but thats just me

kwiktsi

07-02-2003, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by twiztedjeckel
tisk tisk silly me. my head must have been up my ass again. then again i don't know of many people that would jump bridges or run a kick ass supra into a wall. but thats just me

That's just because you aint got the ballz for real racin cuz :).
Joe

PCGenious

07-03-2003, 01:48 AM

haha, yeah I love spending that much money on a car and totally destroying it. But then having the gov get me a new car. :D

Dexter

07-03-2003, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by bruce95fmla

umm, your a moderator with that comment/language in your sig..

yeah and? i didnt know there was some kind of "you cant swear when you become a mod" kind of rule. if there is, then i guess i violated it. i dont know why you wouldn't object to me using that language if i wasn't a moderator. i got my point across didnt i? im sorry if i hurt your feelings.

unwrittenLaw

07-03-2003, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by buster

True, true. I am going to see of the local Mazda dealer will let me test drive a MSP today. Dunno, they didn't seem to keen last time. I understand the need to keep them fresh for a buyer, but there is now way in hell I would buy a car w/o a test drive. I want to see of they offer a rebate here as well. When I talked to them before they said they could throw in some service for free but the price of the car is set. For the cost of a new MSP I can get a low mileage WRX, and say what you will, but the WRX is an incredible all round car. Wife and I were talking and we were going to decide by mid month but now we might wait until August. The next car is going to be around for 5+ yrs so I want to make sure I make the right decision for us, and the little one on the way. I also autoX my car so I want something that can do it all.

I test drove a few WRX's in the last month..They are nice and I like them..but I wasn't as impressed as I thought I would be. They didn't feel much faster than the MSP among other things. Its a cool car, but after the test drives they didn't seem as superior to the MSP as some make them out to be...but still great cars.

redrims

07-03-2003, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by mazdaspeedpower
Straight line speed goes to the SRT-4, but to get the cornering power you have to drop $2000cdn, when me, the MSP owner can drop that on his engine and make as much power as you and have the better quality of Mazda, but hey, if it makes you happy, then whatever, right? Have fun going straight and passing me, but when the corner comes, watch out...evil laugh heard from the depths.

What can you get for $2000cdn that will give the MSP 220hp to the wheels?:rolleyes: We ALL would like to know.

Now as for the SRT-4 for, the only real problem is body roll. Get some high performance coilovers for about $500US and a sway bar for about $200 and your body roll is down to a minimum and can compete with a MSP. This is easier and cheaper, just like Bruce said.
As for LSD, they come standard on the '04 models.

OrangeMSP

07-03-2003, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by redrims

What can you get for $2000cdn that will give the MSP 220hp to the wheels?:rolleyes: We ALL would like to know.

ask joe i think its way less than that and more that 220hp

kwiktsi

07-03-2003, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by OrangeMSP

think Joe did more than 220hp at the wheels for alot less;)

Yes- that was the wrong question to ask :).. You can get your 3" exhaust done at a local shop for $500 us (you don't NEED a pretty stainless mandrel bent exhaust for only 220 whp), add a drop in K&N ($40) and an MBC ($45) and you have your 220 whp. xsivspd did mid 220's@~10 psi and turbomattyp did 217@9 psi with a stock exhaust- that is a $45 MBC, K&N and a boost gauge- about $150 in parts for 217 whp.
Joe

buster

07-03-2003, 10:26 AM

Cool.
Now with the $130 Turbo XS boost controller, the SRT dynoed at 265hp and 295ft lbs @17 psi.
What happens to the MSP motor at 17-18 PSI w/o more cash for motor upgrades....?

twiztedjeckel

07-03-2003, 10:28 AM

Dexter

07-03-2003, 10:31 AM

enry

07-03-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by yashooa
Oh how the siren’s call of the straight line has slain another.
Well at least you will have a car that goes well with Nazkar, Ka-oors lite, and
them pork rinds. You can beat the cops back your trailer now after another wife beating episode at the local Goat stumpers club well provided the road doesn’t take too many extreme turns along the way.
Dodge engineer answers a pissed of SRTurd-4 owner “What you wanted it to turn to!
Don’t worry about those turns son just think how cool you’ll look drifting into a tree.”
Then a little black MSP drives by this turd-impaled tree with a quick double tap to his horn BEEP BEEP; like the roadrunner to Wylie E. Coyote. Of course then we have to have the cop at the seen look a the camera and go in perfect piganese “Dadubada Dubada That’s all Folk’s. :eek:

Hey I love my car and don't have single problem but if I did maybe I would feel differently. Good luck with the ,"Why is there corn in my seat?" mobile. :D

(rofl)
(rofl)
(rofl)
(rofl)

buster

07-03-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Dexter

with proper fuel tuning...nothing will happen.
I am curious as I am still learning about the MSP motor, but it doesn't seem to me that the stock block will take 17psi, even with proper fuel tuning....at least not for long. Wouldn't you be running on the edge constantly?

twiztedjeckel

07-03-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by buster
Wouldn't you be running on the edge constantly?

don't tell me you wouldn't rather run on the edge than run in a neon

buster

07-03-2003, 10:42 AM

kwiktsi

07-03-2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by buster
Cool.
Now with the $130 Turbo XS boost controller, the SRT dynoed at 265hp and 295ft lbs @17 psi.
What happens to the MSP motor at 17-18 PSI w/o more cash for motor upgrades....?

You got me pretty good in torque due to the neon being a 2.4- howeverhorsepower is pretty damn close to my numbers at that PSI.

This isn't a pissing contest, we are talking about both cars being "equal"- *if* you give the MSP the same free flowing exhaust, same psi, etc that the Neon has- they perform VERY similar- actually, the MSP is a touch quicker than any stock SRT4 I have seen running at the track- they are nowhere near the magazine times- and it is not driver either- they are only trapping mid 90's!!

At the same time- if you give the Neon the same suspension setup, LSD, etc that the MSP has and they will hande about the same. It is all personal preference. I almost bought a Neon instead (hell, everytime I run into a tuning "hurdle", I sawi I should have gotten the Neon to this day :) ), but would rather do performance mods to equal the playing field than crack open a trans in a new car to install an LSD. I wasn't too concerned about the handling characteristics of either car until after I got my MSP and really learned to appreciate the handling.

Oh yeah, $130 is too much for a manual controller- I don't care what it is :).
Joe

kwiktsi

07-03-2003, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by buster

I am curious as I am still learning about the MSP motor, but it doesn't seem to me that the stock block will take 17psi, even with proper fuel tuning....at least not for long. Wouldn't you be running on the edge constantly?

Unfortunately, only time will tell :).. No offense to the guys that have blown up (hell, I'm sure I'll be joining you some day :) ), but all the cars that have blown up were not in a good enough tune to run the PSI they were running- they were all detonating and they all popped. I'm sure the motor isn't the strongest out there, but without pushing the envelope and knowing for myself that it was tuned right, I just don't know exactly where the edge is. It could run forever as long as it is tuned right, or it could pop tomorrow due to the increased stress. I do know that it has lasted longer than others while running more boost also :).
Joe

enry

07-03-2003, 11:15 AM

Considering MSRP is aboot the same for the 2 cars (I think 1K less for SRT?), they are pretty much at par. The MSP cannot compete in raw juice, but the SRT cannot compete in BASE accessories.

SRT over MSP:
- way, WAY more power
- electronic trunk release
- boost gauge

MSP over SRT:
- LSD (Don't friggen tell me it will be standard next year. Will it be the same price?!?!? is it available now?!?!? let's stick to the facts)
- REAL sound system
- improved susp / handling
- better tires
- 4 year, 50,000mi warranty (vs 3/36 for the srt)

So my guess is, if you want to take your MSP to the power of the SRT-4, you will spend probably as much as if you wanted to make your **BASE** SRT-4 to the feature level of the MSP.

Someone should check out what it would really cost to do either upgrade.

Although in my opinion it's a personal choice. Performance cars are often purchase because of a preference. If you PREFER neon, if you PREFER protege, if you PREFER civic, etc.... Everyhthing else is really just excuses we give to other people when they ask "WTF, YOU SPENT THAT MUCH ON A CAR, WHY DIDN'T YOU GET XXXXXXX?".

Like to be honest, there is nothing in the world you could do to make me buy another FORD or DODGE. You could give it to me for free I would say no thanks. That's just me though.

Keep it civil in here....

enry

07-03-2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by kwiktsi

Yes- that was the wrong question to ask :).. You can get your 3" exhaust done at a local shop for $500 us (you don't NEED a pretty stainless mandrel bent exhaust for only 220 whp), add a drop in K&N ($40) and an MBC ($45) and you have your 220 whp. xsivspd did mid 220's@~10 psi and turbomattyp did 217@9 psi with a stock exhaust- that is a $45 MBC, K&N and a boost gauge- about $150 in parts for 217 whp.
Joe

How safe is that on the stock internals:
- tranny
- clutch / LSD
- I/C

twiztedjeckel

07-03-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by enry
Considering MSRP is aboot the same for the 2 cars

tell me i honestly didn't just read the word "aboot"

kwiktsi

07-03-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by enry

How safe is that on the stock internals:
- tranny
- clutch / LSD
- I/C

Trany, clutch and LSD are going to be more affected by driving style- you beat it, you break it, you repsect the fact that it is handling almost twice the original power- it will last a lot longer :). Just going WOT will not break it, powershifting and dumping the clutch will- even in a 100% stock car.

I am more concerned with the motor itself, but like I said in my other post- only time will tell.. This is too new to all of us and we have nothing to make a fair comparison or to come to a fair conclusion. The cars that have died so far were marked for death once the owner cranked the boost up :). There are a lot of variables to be considered and a lot of things that need to be monitored- boost, AF, DETONATION, etc. If you just blindly crank the boost and hammer it, the car will not last :).
Joe

Mazdaspeed1

07-03-2003, 12:23 PM

Hate you, no, but be dissappointed, YES!! It's cool you got what you actually wanted and everything, but the SRT-4 really isn't that much faster even though they says it's got a bigger engine. Read the june edition of motor trend. if the SRT-4 beat the MSP in anything, we were right on it's @$$.. and for handling, the SRT-4 didn't even make it in the top 20 in road and track, and let a lone the top 10 (where the MSP ranked 8 overall and beat cars like the 911 turbo in slalom)... soo there are ups and downs to everything, one big up to the MSP being only 2000 made to the SRT-4's like 12000 produced in 2003. well have fun with it..

LinuxRacr

07-03-2003, 01:18 PM

Looks like we have another My car is better than yours thread brewing... What do you think Dexter?

yashooa

07-03-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by LinuxRacr
Looks like we have another My car is better than yours thread brewing... What do you think Dexter?

You just back dat Modirific ass up and leave this thread be.
This is the classic struggle between good looks and poise -vs- Brute strength and hideously marred appearance.
You of all people being a Gooy-goo Jutsu Juey "Masta" should know that it's not about the size of the engine but who kicks who in the balls first! :eek: (nuts) :eek:

In other words this white Devil is having some fun so just give war a chance you vicious thread mover. :mad:

Can't we all just spread the love a little longer Nixy Poo? Huh? Brutha man? Can we? (k) (fight) (spank) (usa) (naughty)

LinuxRacr

07-03-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by yashooa

You just back dat Modirific ass up and leave this thread be.
This is the classic struggle between good looks and poise -vs- Brute strength and hideously marred appearance.
You of all people being a Gooy-goo Jutsu Juey "Masta" should know that it's not about the size of the engine but who kicks who in the balls first! :eek: (nuts) :eek:

In other words this white Devil is having some fun so just give war a chance you vicious thread mover. :mad:

Can't we all just spread the love a little longer Nixy Poo? Huh? Brutha man? Can we? (k) (fight) (spank) (usa) (naughty)

:wtf: Dood, you have a unique way with words. Reminds me of this red-headed dude who used to post here...Syz...something...

REMillers

07-03-2003, 02:07 PM

Nah you want to start a real pissing fight then make a thread "Which looks better SRT or MSP". People will probably jump all around in that.

Course kinda of a mute agrument since you can not say that a car is ugly in everyones mind. We each have our own tastes which are neither wrong nor right.
Yet for some reason that argrument goes around and around on this board, expect by a few who realize this reality.

--------

enry

07-03-2003, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by twiztedjeckel

tell me i honestly didn't just read the word "aboot"

hehehe... ever since south park my friends and me can't stop saying aboot.

kwiktsi

07-03-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by REMillers
Nah you want to start a real pissing fight then make a thread "Which looks better SRT or MSP".--------

Naahhh, that's an easy one- the MSP (getsome) (thumb) ..

J/K.. It is all a matter of personal opinion. I happen to like the looks of both about equally. The Neon is just a little too "big" looking for it's size though.. Other than that, I would not take one over the other based on looks alone IMHO.
Joe

Dexter

07-03-2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by LinuxRacr
Looks like we have another My car is better than yours thread brewing... What do you think Dexter?

i dont even know anymore :p

AGR

07-03-2003, 05:11 PM

Stevie Wonder could tell ya; the MAZDASPEED is the best looking Compact Sedan on the Planet Earth.

redrims

07-03-2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by enry

MSP over SRT:
- LSD (Don't friggen tell me it will be standard next year. Will it be the same price?!?!? is it available now?!?!? let's stick to the facts)
- REAL sound system

Info man commercial voice:
"Yes, the 2004 SRT-4 is here with LSD. Check at your local Dogde dealer. Also complete with an upgraded sound system":D