Did they let you test drive before buying?

[liftmycurse]

The asshole Mazdaspeed dealer here in Columbus, OH wouldn't let me test drive a 2003.5 titanium yesterday. Told me i had to have the deal done first! I had my pre-approval from the credit union and still wouldn't let me. Fuck them! I'm not buying a SPEED because of this.

[CRDMS1]

It is only a $20k car, not a Viper for goodness sakes! I understand their hesitation, given buyer preference for MSPs that haven't been driven much or at all, but they can't realistically expect someone to buy the car without a test drive. I own one and love it, but these cars aren't THAT special.

Their loss. Find another dealer.

Peace...(hippy)

[REMillers]

Thats bad of them to not least let you test drive it after credit approval etc.
I say go back and be say you are probably going to buy it but only after a test drive.
If they say no then just start walking out. Course if they give you just much crap they might not be a good dealership later down the road also.

Should never buy something without test it first! Regardless if you are really going to buy it.
Hate to get it and bring it home only to decide you don't like it.

[Heathen23]

That's a load of crap. Find a different dealer but make sure you go visit those tools again when you have a new MSP from a competing dealer when you do!:p

[AGR]

No way, would I buy any car without a thorough test drive. :wtf:

That dealer doesn't deserve your business. Go elsewhere!

[loj68]

yeah man, go to another dealer. My salesman encouraged me to drive it before we talked any shit about a deal. If you come in pre-approved they should be kissing your ass!

[Dr.Sound]

came back twice to the dealership. test drove 3 times.

my dealership welcomed a testdrive with open arms.

go to another one, seriously, REMillers is right, if they are assholes about a test drive they'll probably void your worranty for playing music too loud.

good luck and dont give up on MSP - awesome car

[JAC]

The same thing happened to me when I went to test drive a Civic si (just for kicks), first no one even greets me, so I ask some guy to show it to me and he says pointing: "there´s one over there", I'm like, "ok, whatever", so I go to check it out and after a few min I had to hunt down a salesman to ask him for a test drive, here´s how it went: (he´s acting like a total asshole during the entire conversation btw)

Me: Hi, I´d like to test drive a Civic Si.
Him: err.....how old are you?
Me: 20, why?
Him: we don´t give test drives to people under 21.
Me: how do you espect me to buy a car without test driving it
first? All of the other dealers gave me test drives.
Him: we don't.
Me: well, that sucks...glad I didn´t do business with you. (turned my back and left).

[AbbyVonNormal]

Hate to sound redundant but you need to find another Mazda dealer. Always best to shop around anyway.
Not that this had to do with a test drive or anything but, the first Mazda dealer i went to tried to rape me on a used P5. They had me there for HOURS only to beg for more money.
Drove to another Mazda dealer the same night, got a brandy new '03 P5 with 4 miles in NO time at all!!
Ironically enough, i had to go back to the first mazda dealer in my '03 P5 to get my Insurance card because they forgot to give it back to me.
I sure as hell pulled right to the front of that sales office for all to see, and got my insurance card back. The shocked look on that salesmen's face made my inards tingle!:D

[girth]

You're not alone. I got the same :bs: from the "Gordy Bouche" dealership in Milwaukee. They guy was like "we'll let you take an ES out -- they're pretty similar because of the firm suspension." I'm like, "yeah, right." They're not even CLOSE - if the MSP drove like an ES model I'd BUY the ES model!

Go to another dealership post haste. And then drive by that shitty dealership in your new car and tell them they're "numba won" :flip:


:D

[SpicyRay]

walked in, said, "can we look at the Mazdaspeed?" reply: "sure, its right out here." 10 minutes later after stereo blasted to max, "want to take it out for a spin?" reply: "sure!" i was sold, but we went elsewhere to get an orange w/ 6 miles instead of a black w/ 20 miles. then again, if you really want to nit-pick, i was sold at NYIAS. so what am i saying? what they said, get a new dealer, that one sucks...

[girth]

The funny thing is, if the dealers were smart they'd be BEGGING people to drive the MSPs -- they'd sell a lot more of them that way. I wasn't sure I wanted one until I drove it and saw just how awesome the car was compared to my 2000 ES. So the test drive sold me.

[2K3 MSP]

Originally posted by girth
The funny thing is, if the dealers were smart they'd be BEGGING people to drive the MSPs -- they'd sell a lot more of them that way. I wasn't sure I wanted one until I drove it and saw just how awesome the car was compared to my 2000 ES. So the test drive sold me.

That's exactly how I got mine...I had just test drove an Integra GS-R and had my mind set on it. I went to the Mazda dealer just to check out the MSP, not buy it. When the salesman(very nice guy) heard I was gonna buy the GS-R, he told me to test the MSP first...I said, no, I didn't want to spend that much(the GS-R was $17,000). He said, "trust me". I agreed, not expecting much of anything(I'd never driven a turbo'd car). By the time I hit 3rd gear after leaving that first intersection, I was practically laughing. I was sold. They had to find me a Spicy, and I picked it up 3 days later.

[RX-KEVIN]

quite frankly i never test drove the car. anyone who is an enthusist and knows what they are reading on the sticker should know it reads like a wish list out of an import tuner mag. working at a MAZDA dealership didn't hurt (car at cost)

[RX-KEVIN]

oh and did I forget to say turbo

[Coqui258]

Not MSP, but the dealer I bought my P5 from gave me the keys to the car late at night and told me to take a drive, WITHOUT HIM IN THE CAR! Now that's a dealer!

[RX-KEVIN]

they handle awesome from the factory, I was really impressed.

[505zoom]

I was waiting, and waiting some more for my preordered speed to come in. Called the dealer like 10 times that day 'cuz it was finally coming and when it came in at 4:30 they tried to tell me that it was to late to pick up that day. I was like no way, and my dealer agreed to stay after hours to get it all done(he was probably sick of me callin for like 6 weeks). Went in at like 6 and was outta there (with no test drive) an hour later. It was the first one sold at that dealer so a lot of them stayed untill I drove it out. I'm glad no one else drove my car!

[MazdaspeedZOOM]

Originally posted by Coqui258
Not MSP, but the dealer I bought my P5 from gave me the keys to the car late at night and told me to take a drive, WITHOUT HIM IN THE CAR! Now that's a dealer!

I got to test drive an 03.5 MSP 3 times wihtout the dealer in the car. He was like "here ya go have fun just make sure you bring it back" Well suffice to say I DROVE the yellow one, put some miles on it, had some fun, then bought the 03 Black one with 4 miles on it that had been sitting in the show room since they got it. If a place won't let your drive a car then go somewhere else, no one buys a guy without driving it.

[Captain KRM P5]

go back and brag as to how you got a sweet 24 test drive from the Dodge dealer on a SRT, that it is sooooooooooo much better, that you just wanted to let them know they made your decision for you and to thank them for screwing themselves out of a sale. also say that you are just SO SOLD on an SRT that there could be NO WAY IN HELL they could convince you otherwise.

if that doesn't get you test drive, at least you could let them know where that kind of customer service might get them.

i say "might" because the aforementioned scenario is purely hypothetical - no one on this board really wants you to go buy an SRT :) just buy what makes you grin behind the wheel and don't buy it from clowns like that.

[Newf]

There's two ways to look at this. The 1st is obvious, dealer is being a jackass. How can anyone buy a car without testing it? Even more important to do so with so many little problems on the speeds.

2nd. At least when you buy a car here, you will know that your over priced limited protege hasn't been ragged on by some teen just f'n around.

If you were really young I could maybe understand it, but your an adult, heck, your older then me :) There's no excuse for them good enough as far as I am concerned. their not selling a ferrari.

[azian6er]

HAHAH funny you mention this. I Bought my speed from them. Patrick Mazda Right?? I had to have my father sign a contract binding him to the sale of the car pending a "satisfactory" test drive. We signed the papers and I went for a ride and we went home with the car that day! Believe me, you wont be disappointed. Ask the dealer if the remember the kid that bought that Black speed about 4 weeks ago. Then tell them you talked to me and you know that they will let you go on a test drive because they let me.

[Ryan]

dealer let me drive my speed........

after i cut him a check for 1k :)

[Swerny]

I had to put $1000 down to drive it. I out it down conditionally, that if i didn't like the car, i got my $1000 back.

I had haggled out a price, conditional to a test drive. Didn't go far, but did cause the salesman to almost crap himself.

MS MSP #143

[DeanSweet]

Drive down here to Cincinnati and I will find you one to drive. That's BS! My opinion is deciding on a car by one dealerships opinions on test drives is a little immature? I would decide not to buy one from that specific dealer but not reflect the car itself?

[maximumimpact]

That is crazy, no test drives? The first day I stepped into the local dealer's lot, teh guy practically begged me to take the MPS out....after I told him I wasn't interested in buying that day. Took it out, and he told me to drive wherever I wanted, as long as it was within 5 miles of the dealership. So I drove it, through twisties, straights, up hills.

Then a month later, I came back in, and he told me to take it out AGAIN before talking about buying it. I did. Fell in love again. Told them that I wouldn't pay anything more than MSRP, since it was a limited edition...I told them that the price of it being a limited edition was already factored into the price. So after about an hour, they said, fine, MSP for MSRP it is.

I just can't drive it till Saturday, because they're putting an undercoat and scotch-guarding the interior. :D

[KBicknel]

Go to Kings Mazda just south of Kings Island, north of Cincinnati. I saw the color you want sitting out front yesterday when I drove by. They generally do not put them out front when they are sold. Those stay way in the back by service. Call and ask for Paul Kane. Tell him Tom & Kristi Bicknell sent you. He will treat you right. No problem getting a test drive there. 513-683-4900
http://www.kingsmazda.com

Kristi

[laptopheaven]

When I first went to look at the MSP, I was hooked. I wanted a test drive. The salesman was really apprehensive at first. The sky had just dropped about an inch of rain in the matter of 1.5 hours. Salesman first said no, but then when he say the look of disappointment, he went and asked the sales manager, who gave the thumbs up.

Needless to say, 11 days later I was driving off the lot with mine.

[bcbadboy]

Fuck that shit!!!!!

I test drove a speed at 4 different dealers before I bought mine. I went on the highways and turnpike speeding and weaving in and out of traffic. I even tested out the brakes by stepping real hard on them at 80 mph. I got my test drive worth and I liked it and I went to another dealership and bought mine cause hit had just come in to the show room and it wasn't test drivin by anyone yet.

Go to another dealership and try. If the say no, ask for manager and get the Mazda Corp # and call from that dealership. Explain that you are approved and they won't let you test drive it.

FUCK THEM I SAY:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: (argh) (upbum)

[Pmpkinhead]

Call Mazda of Bedford (Cleve, Oh). Tell them your situation and they will welcome you with open arms, if not PM me and I will talk bad to them (I bought 3 cars there). There tails will go between their legs. (440) 439-2323 ask for the MazdaSpeed Guy. (3 Black, 1 yellow, 1 titanium)
1244 (mspo)

[BremertonMSP]

My sales man at University Mazda (Eric D) showed me a nice little route in a P5 (which he totally flogged on the way) and when we got back to the dealership, threw me the keys to the MSP and said "have fun"

Took the route 4 different times, drove the hell out of the car and when I got back I said "pull the one with the fewest miles on it (8) and get it prepped so I can take it home!!

I still love my MazdaSpeed(yes)

[chwood]

Originally posted by liftmycurse
The asshole Mazdaspeed dealer here in Columbus, OH wouldn't let me test drive a 2003.5 titanium yesterday. Told me i had to have the deal done first! I had my pre-approval from the credit union and still wouldn't let me. Fuck them! I'm not buying a SPEED because of this.

Tool - way to be adult about it, what is this, pre-school?

The guys at Byers aren't trying to be dicks, they're trying to protect the car, like they've been INSTRUCTED to from Mazda.

Talk to Chris, the manager, he's a pretty damn decent guy or Brian, the Service Manager, he's pretty damn nice too.

How about:
"They let some nutjob testdrive one of the 2000 US 'Speeds and he tore it up joyriding. F them! I'm not buying a Speed because of this."

:rolleyes:

Sheesh.
You want to ride/drive in one? I'm in Columbus.
LMK.

But no cocks in the car, leave the 'tude outside.

[liftmycurse]

First of all i'm 31 years old have a credit rating of 759 and i'm a tier 1. I'm not going to rag the car out! With all the problem with the car why should i buy one that acts like that way on a test drive? Who are you by the way? Someone from the dealership?

[scott42]

If you know you're going to buy it anyway, just roll in with a list of all the problems that you will have
-clunk
-hesitation
-leaks, etc.
And say, "You shield this thing from me like its the second coming and won't let me test drive it; well, then I'll buy it, and when these things happen and I bring it back, you better have a solution for me right then and there because this thing is so precious that there should be nothing wrong with it, and if there is, it should be a quick, easy, permanent fix---oh wait, there aren't any."

Am I bitter about the clunk? YES.

I had a Subaru guy tell me a couldn't drive a WRX back when I was looking before I bought my MP3...walked right out...its not like its an STi or something...

[yashooa]

Well I had already gotten on one dealers ass by calling Ford Partner and giving them a blow by blow of the events that occurred. So then they got a hold of Mazda friends and raised no end of Hell and the general manager of the dealer called my house 5 times in 6 hours practically begging me to come back and buy a car. He was also trying to bullshit his way out of the crap his sales manager pulled. Anyway I said no thanks keep your car and the smoke your trying to blow up my ass.
Mazda called the next dealer ahead of time and then told me were to go. So I got there to get a 6S at a big discount :) and went for the speed instead. Test drive you ask? Well lets just say my car had 80 miles on it when I took it home and I put nothing down Nadda, Zilch, Zero, not a single solitary dime!
Drove it and drove it hard grinned like a maniac made the salesman scream and I still have that same grin every time I drive my car.
31 yrs old with a 759 credit score it's a dumb ass decision to turn that person down for a test drive of any car they have.
Don't give up on the speed just give up on that dumbass dealer.

BTW: I dont have any hesitation, stalling, clunk, or any other major problem at all. I have 8700 miles on it and I bought it in Feb.

[DooMer_MP3]

Originally posted by chwood


Tool - way to be adult about it, what is this, pre-school?

The guys at Byers aren't trying to be dicks, they're trying to protect the car, like they've been INSTRUCTED to from Mazda.

Talk to Chris, the manager, he's a pretty damn decent guy or Brian, the Service Manager, he's pretty damn nice too.

How about:
"They let some nutjob testdrive one of the 2000 US 'Speeds and he tore it up joyriding. F them! I'm not buying a Speed because of this."

:rolleyes:

Sheesh.
You want to ride/drive in one? I'm in Columbus.
LMK.

But no cocks in the car, leave the 'tude outside.

:rolleyes: Yeah lets protect this $20K Econobox with some good handling and a small turbo. Lets just go with the person on the testdrive and not say anything if they start getting on it too hard. All they have to say is "Keep it under 4000 RPMs please" and ride along.

I would go to a different dealer. Its not Mazda's fault, but the dealer.

Chris

[liftmycurse]

Originally posted by liftmycurse
First of all i'm 31 years old have a credit rating of 759 and i'm a tier 1. I'm not going to rag the car out! With all the problem with the car why should i buy one that acts like that way on a test drive? Who are you by the way? Someone from the dealership?


I talked to the guy in the service department and the hesitation and clunk. I even tried pulling it up on the internet but they had firewall protection. They haven't had a car back in yet but it's just getting humid here so time will tell. I'll probably end up driving to Ciny or Cleveland to get one.

[REMillers]

chwood this is not the case of some pimp faced young kid walking in just asking for a test drive. He went through the first round of paper work and got credit approval. THAT ALONE should allow him to test drive it.
You should never have to have the deal done before being allowed to test drive a car; PERIOD!
He is not the "tool" as you put it, perhaps go through and re-read the post.

Dealers already having a hard time selling them, think they'd be happy someone is atleast interested and went through credit approval for it.

[liftmycurse]

Cussing and saying fuck this and that and saying i wouldn't buy the car was me blowing off steam. Some people don't realize how hard i've worked to get great credit and to have someone turn you down on a test drive just sent me reeling!!! I will try another dealer. Thanks to the guys from Cleveland and Cincy for the dealer info there. I will call and set an appointment up.

[chwood]

LOL

Wow, a guy comes in calling people "Assholes" and declares "Fuck them," but damnit don't you dare call him a "tool" for acting like a 3 yr old.

:rolleyes:

Sheesh fellas, my bad, I didn't realize only 1/2 of us should speak our minds...

Byers was great to me and assured me that they would take the car back if I didn't want it. <shrug>

A credit check from the credit union doesn't mean much to the dealer w/ re: to you agreeing to buy the car - and since that is why they wouldn't let you test drive, then your approval in non sequitor. All you did was show them that the bank says you can afford to buy a $20k car - so what, so can most of the country.

Sure its only a $20k car, but they are billing it as a limited, exclusive car - limitations like this may be overprotective, but they are also consistent with that marketing notion.

The fact that I think he overreacted like a tool, thus the christening, doesn't mean I think the policy is called for/wise/reasonable or whatever. I merely presented the other side of the argument, since my experience has been that they are, in fact, NOT assholes.

(group)

[chwood]

Originally posted by liftmycurse
Cussing and saying fuck this and that and saying i wouldn't buy the car was me blowing off steam. Some people don't realize how hard i've worked to get great credit and to have someone turn you down on a test drive just sent me reeling!!! I will try another dealer. Thanks to the guys from Cleveland and Cincy for the dealer info there. I will call and set an appointment up.

SEE - we can all get along!
:D

Blowing off steam we can all understand - but they've ALWAYS fallen all over themselves to help me whenever I've had any questions or anything. The trouble is that they haven't had enough 1st had exp w/ the car to know much. I mentioned the stumbling and they were clueless. <shrug> That just takes time.

The appologized like crazy for not letting me have a test drive, but since I had decided on the car already, it was no big deal. I'd almost rather have a dealer a little anal about protecting the car (even if it is a $20k econobox :rolleyes:) than one that is flippant about maintaining the quality of the vehicle prior to handing me the keys.

[REMillers]

Wasn't saying you calling him a tool was as bad as his behavior in the first post. Just different circumstances from which the word useage was being applied.

Regardless of where the credit approval comes from it is still a lot more than what people would bring in only looking for a test drive. That alone should atleast give him some play room with getting a test drive even if just with the salesman. It helps to show that he is really looking to buy a car in that price range.

Not sure how your dealers are doing but around here the MSP's just are not really selling.

Limited or not he should have atleast gotten a chance for a small spin whether alone or with the salesperson.
Just seems like the dealer is being slightly stuck up about who gets to touch the "Mighty" MSP.

They probably are a good dealership but least with this example they didn't perform to customer expectations. But that doesn't doom them to being rated as the worst, just a mistake that they hopefully correct or learn from.

(drinks)

[liftmycurse]

Originally posted by chwood


SEE - we can all get along!
:D

Blowing off steam we can all understand - but they've ALWAYS fallen all over themselves to help me whenever I've had any questions or anything. The trouble is that they haven't had enough 1st had exp w/ the car to know much. I mentioned the stumbling and they were clueless. <shrug> That just takes time.

The appologized like crazy for not letting me have a test drive, but since I had decided on the car already, it was no big deal. I'd almost rather have a dealer a little anal about protecting the car (even if it is a $20k econobox :rolleyes:) than one that is flippant about maintaining the quality of the vehicle prior to handing me the keys.

The thing is Chwood it would have been $$$ in there pocket. I have $6,000 cash plus the approval from Telhio Credit Union. They even have Telhio's paper work there to do the loan up. I will go somewhere else now to get the car. It's a shame becuase i felt the guy in service was nice. YOu might be the guy he was talking about that mentioned the hesitation problem when i brought it up.

[chwood]

(drinks)

I can't vouch for the truth of whether or not this directive really comes from Mazda or not, but that is the line I got, as have others from other dealers.

They don't even let the EMPLOYEES drive these cars there and, on the subaru side, they have 2 WRX's that are their "test drive" cars for the same reason.

Like the policy or not, think its reasonable or not, their behavior is consistent with the "protect the turbo" story. Couple that with how appologetic they were about it with me and that left me only with Mazda to complain to.

I've got 4400 or so on mine now - I've got the hesitation like everyone else, but I think I'm clunk free so far (crossing fingers).

I was serious though - if you want a spin in mine that's no biggie.

Just be sure to let of the steam before ya get behind the wheel...
;)

[REMillers]

Should probably clarify why test driving a MSP is very important.
Looking at the numbers these cars do not really present alot to the common unknowledge buyer. Same price can get you better looking cars on paper.
However the MSP is a really enjoyable ride to have along with the rest of the Protege lineup. It is not till you drive one that you understand how nicely it balances out.
Just looking at it doesn't sell the cars, driving them does.
Seems most the people so far that bought one was 100% completely sold after their first test drive.

And that is why I think they are hurting themselves about being so strict with test driving it. If they are worried about it being abuse then let the salesperson ride along, and limit the drive somewhat.

Haven't seent the Mazda no test drive policy in effect here. You can simply walk in and test drive one without showing much interest in the car. Its the driver impressions that they hope to sell people on. Otherwise the car just sits there gathering pollen watching all the other cars sell like hot cakes.

[SaaBaaDoo]

After dropping the F-bomb several times on one of the dealerships up around Columbia, MD, they actually pulled the msp out of the showroom and let me drive it. VERY short test drive though. When I returned...they were all excited and wanted to start working on a deal.

I returned 2 months later driving my Titanium msp and made sure to let them know how they screwed up a sale!

Dealerships should be kissing ass for car buyer's business.

[chwood]

Originally posted by liftmycurse
The thing is Chwood it would have been $$$ in there pocket. I have $6,000 cash plus the approval from Telhio Credit Union. They even have Telhio's paper work there to do the loan up. I will go somewhere else now to get the car. It's a shame becuase i felt the guy in service was nice. YOu might be the guy he was talking about that mentioned the hesitation problem when i brought it up.





Well, that's IF you decided to buy it, not just for the test drive.
You COULD have taken it for a spin and passed, and they're left with zero. Of course, why would they expect you to bail on them for repeating the company line of "no test drives"?
Nah, right or wrong, they are stickin to those guns on that.

Unless they mistreated you, that only makes them assholes if its BS and they are making it up. <shrug>

I would say that nobody you or I talked to there made it up if it is in fact not from Mazda corp. Just like the poor girl at blockbuster didn't write that stupid fing noon return dealine (I HATE that!).

They prob were talking about me re: hesitation though - I just called last week sometime to ask about it. They didn't know anything though, so I told them I would get back to them if it continued (which it will of course).

[chwood]

Originally posted by SaaBaaDoo
After dropping the F-bomb several times on one of the dealerships up around Columbia, MD, they actually pulled the msp out of the showroom and let me drive it. VERY short test drive though. When I returned...they were all excited and wanted to start working on a deal.

I returned 2 months later driving my Titanium msp and made sure to let them know how they screwed up a sale!

Dealerships should be kissing ass for car buyer's business.

Have you asked them about all the fing hoops mazda makes them jump through to be qualified to SELL the damn thing though??
(Again, unless it was all BS from 3 diff employees)
Its pretty freakin nuts - I can't blame any of the dealers for being anal about it, since they risk losing that "elite" dealer status by bending the rules.

[AGR]

What is it with these FUCKING Car Dealers??!! They are so arrogant - they actually believe they are going to sell a car to me without me drivng it? I doubt it!! ASSCLOWNS!!

Fuck all dealers that play this game!

[chwood]

Originally posted by REMillers
Should probably clarify why test driving a MSP is very important.
Looking at the numbers these cars do not really present alot to the common unknowledge buyer. Same price can get you better looking cars on paper.
However the MSP is a really enjoyable ride to have along with the rest of the Protege lineup. It is not till you drive one that you understand how nicely it balances out.
Just looking at it doesn't sell the cars, driving them does.
Seems most the people so far that bought one was 100% completely sold after their first test drive.

And that is why I think they are hurting themselves about being so strict with test driving it. If they are worried about it being abuse then let the salesperson ride along, and limit the drive somewhat.

Haven't seent the Mazda no test drive policy in effect here. You can simply walk in and test drive one without showing much interest in the car. Its the driver impressions that they hope to sell people on. Otherwise the car just sits there gathering pollen watching all the other cars sell like hot cakes.

LOL

I think so too!

But when I was in there to buy mine, there was some guy there looking at 6 - we were both sitting and waiting for something or other. Some 3rd guy was there looking at the speed on display and asked about it. This other dork waves him off "rides rough as hell, a real piece of crap." I about fell out of my chair laughing - "would someone please bring up a nice big lincoln continental with the cushy touring suspension for the goober in room one?"

So, I suppose some people WON'T be impressed by it. <shrug>
Go figure.

[chwood]

Originally posted by AGR#7
What is it with these FUCKING Car Dealers??!! They are so arrogant - they actually believe they are going to sell a car to me without me drivng it? I doubt it!! ASSCLOWNS!!

Fuck all dealers that play this game!

<sigh>

:rolleyes:

omg not again...


(hand)

[REMillers]

LOL!

Oh and don't mind AGR#7 he has multi-personalities and sometimes they get let loose in the boards.


This other dork waves him off "rides rough as hell, a real piece of crap." LOL I'd probably do the samething, lucky no one got to look at my car since it rolled directly off the truck. No fingers but mine and the dealer touched it :D

*runs off to find AGR's pills*

[SaaBaaDoo]

Originally posted by chwood


Have you asked them about all the fing hoops mazda makes them jump through to be qualified to SELL the damn thing though??
(Again, unless it was all BS from 3 diff employees)
Its pretty freakin nuts - I can't blame any of the dealers for being anal about it, since they risk losing that "elite" dealer status by bending the rules.

No hoops man, just asswipes! While one guy was telling me that I had to have a certain amount of income to test drive, another was telling me I had to be at least 21!. :wtf: It's not an 80K car!

One of the guys was sitting there telling me how much of a piece of shit it was compared to the stock WRX!

[liftmycurse]

Chwood i'll meet up with you thursday or friday to take a spin in yours. I work till 6pm tomorrow night. What side of Columbus do you live on? Don't worry i won't rag on it if you let me take a sort drive. I'll bring my license and insurance card. hahahaha!

[AGR]

Originally posted by REMillers
LOL!

Oh and don't mind AGR#7 he has multi-personalities and sometimes they get let loose in the boards.

LOL I'd probably do the samething, lucky no one got to look at my car since it rolled directly off the truck. No fingers but mine and the dealer touched it :D

*runs off to find AGR's pills*

Hey! Just speakin' the truth!!!! (but RE; - you got me laughing my ass off!!!!!) (rofl)

[REMillers]

hehe

anyone know the number for Oakland, TN's mental ward? We have a live one here...

[AGR]

:confused: (cheers) (chair) :'( (k) :mad: :eek: :wtf: :D :rolleyes:

[Captain KRM P5]

I read a copy of the Mazda sales newsletter just before the MSP came out. It had a rundown of all the other sport compacts pros and cons, and ways / things to say that sales people were told to do - wish i still had that copy from my dealership. Mazda did say "let the customer get a feel for the car...let the customer have a solid test drive in the car...explain and compare the virtues in detail..." I can't say for 100% certainty, but something like that is verbatim what was on that corporate sales flyer.

Believe me, corporate Mazda does NOT want dealers to strong arm people. Anything said like that is merely feeding you a line. The problem is that in this country, dealers have the ultimate power over things like service, pricing, sales, etc. Laws protect them. Case in point; Ford has tried to get dealers to drop the After Dealer Profit on the Thunderbird since it came out in 2001. Some dealers charge as much as $20,000 over MSRP and for the most part, dealers ignored Ford's pleas. People were also (including myself) being deined test drives. The car basically never took off because of things like that and now is being discontinued.

[REMillers]

And above we see the many different personalities of Greg:
Quick run down:
:confused:=The confused child not sure of anything in the world
(cheers) =The Irish drunk who's fav pass time is consuming Guinness
:) =Mister happy always with a smile, though for other reasons (Notice you never see his hands...)
(chair) =The anger filled demon who's only thought it beating people with chairs
:'( =The cry baby
(k) =The Women

[REMillers]

:mad: =Self-Deluged manic
:eek: =Mister scared of his own shadow and practically anything
:wtf: =The Mime who's only communication is via signs, normally directed negatively
:D =The is the brother of Mister :) Even bigger smile normally cause he is planning a trick on you.
:rolleyes: =And the guy who believes in nothing.

Stay tune next week as we dig deeper into this twisted world of the guy who constantly mutters:I LOVE MY MAZDASPEED.
A tactic which we believe helps him suppress the above personalities

[AGR]

Busy day, I see; RE! Excellent stuff - except for one small difference......
I LOVE MY (Higher Boost) MAZDASPEED!!! (k) (k) (k) (k) (k)

[REMillers]

And be noted that the increase in the strength of his battle cry means the "demons" are trying to surface even harder.

Oh and the only busy day I have is when the dang forum won't refresh fast!! Leaves alot of posting to catch up :D

[TURBO3WAGON]

That’s ridiculous! They don’t want you to feel that god awful stumble.

[AGR]

Originally posted by TURBO3WAGON
That’s ridiculous! They don’t want you to feel that god awful stumble.

My stumble (hesitation) is gone!

[girth]

Believe me, corporate Mazda does NOT want dealers to strong arm people. Anything said like that is merely feeding you a line. The problem is that in this country, dealers have the ultimate power over things like service, pricing, sales, etc. Laws protect them. Case in point; Ford has tried to get dealers to drop the After Dealer Profit on the Thunderbird since it came out in 2001. Some dealers charge as much as $20,000 over MSRP and for the most part, dealers ignored Ford's pleas. People were also (including myself) being deined test drives. The car basically never took off because of things like that and now is being discontinued.


You hit the nail square on the head Captain. That is the exact reason why the manufacturers need to start selling direct like Dell. Just imagine how many more Evos would be sold if Mitsu started selling them directly as well as through dealers. The mark up problems would be completely gone!

[unwrittenLaw]

I didnt have a problem test driving my MSP. They wanted me to test drive it, and I bought it the same day it arrived on the lot...

[Captain KRM P5]

That is the exact reason why the manufacturers need to start selling direct like Dell. Just imagine how many more Evos would be sold if Mitsu started selling them directly as well as through dealers. The mark up problems would be completely gone!

Dealer and franchise laws do not allow car manufacturers to sell vehicles outright in this country, sadly. Even if you buy a car on the internet, the site or company you did so with must go to a dealer and purchase that vehicle.