anyone tried fogs in the 2003.5's yet? [Archive]

Newf

06-16-2003, 12:16 PM

gotta talk to dealer, find out $$$$. How much for trade in on the mp3 etc. I was hoping to have it sold by now, so that's the only hold up. Was supposed to go up Friday, but had to work.

They have to fix the stereo, and coolant leak as well before I take it as well. As far as I am concerned, they can take my z828 from the mp3 and stick it in the MSP. it's 10 times better anyways. So is the sub....then again, so are the rear speakers.

markmurray77

06-16-2003, 03:35 PM

Its just a front lip, the old fogs will fit if you remove the lip.

Newf

06-16-2003, 04:26 PM

duh, but i want the lip. :)

tonkabui

06-16-2003, 04:36 PM

maybe those hella fogs with the angel eyes built in might work. they are a little smaller than the stock mp3/p5/msp fogs. just a thought.

Newf

06-19-2003, 08:39 PM

bump

anyone seen the hella angel eye ones? They are 4". So, if the protege stock fogs are too big, there are indeed just a little smaller.

But, do they look good? Are they bright? Do the look ricey?

enigM@

12-11-2003, 02:07 AM

did anybody try this out yet ??

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 09:31 AM

I'd like to see some pics of 2003.5 fogs if anyone has them. I'm deciding on what to do. I replaced my headlights with the Silverstars last night (def brighter), now comes the fogs!

SirJaime

12-11-2003, 10:13 AM

WHAT THE F-CK FOR.
#1 IF YOU DONT DRIVE ON THE COUNTRY DIRT ROADS , YOU DONT F-CKIN NEED FOG LIGHTS ! ! ! I hate all u ass wipe's out there with foglight's !

#2 If you can't see @ night with just your low beam headlights ? You need to get the hell off the road !

#3 You dick weeds out there that think you need those headlights that are so bright anybody coming towrd is blind for a few seconds after you have passed ! Well lets just say somebody out there is taking potshot @ drivers on an Ohio highway ! and well this could be a very good reason.

If u will notice the shooter is not shooting tractor-trailer's , I'm not that crazy (YET !) Not that would ever do something like that ! But you f-ckers do piss me off big time ! ! ! There is no reason for you to us them ! On a regular highway ! or street !

Just use your HEAD dumbass ! THIS IS NOT A THREAT , JUST A THOUGHT!

Ryoga28

12-11-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by SirJaime
WHAT THE F-CK FOR.
#1 IF YOU DONT DRIVE ON THE COUNTRY DIRT ROADS , YOU DONT F-CKIN NEED FAG LIGHTS ! ! ! I hate all u ass wipe's out there with faglight's !

#2 If you can't see @ night with just your low beam headlights ? You need to get the hell off the road !

#3 You dick weeds out there that think you need those headlights that are so bright anybody coming towrd is blind for a few seconds after you have passed ! Well lets just say somebody out there is taking potshot @ drivers on an Ohio highway ! and well this could be a very good reason.

If u will notice the shooter is not shooting tractor-trailer's , I'm not that crazy (YET !) Not that would ever do something like that ! But you f-ckers do piss me off big time ! ! ! There is no reason for you to us them ! On a regular highway ! or street !

Just use your HEAD dumbass ! THIS IS NOT A THREAT , JUST A THOUGHT!

Ok...Can you please use a less aggressive language...We're all adults here. Fog lights aren't suppose to blind the incoming driver. If it is then the install is not correct. What you're probably complaining about are those car with HIDs.

jersey_emt

12-11-2003, 10:21 AM

Vulcanon

12-11-2003, 10:22 AM

wow... sirjaime simma down nah

seriously though, grow up a bit

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 10:31 AM

Yeah dude - shut the f-ck up! You're actually replying to a post just to bitch!? Get a life!

I like fog lights and more importantly I need them. Ever heard of deer? They're all over the place where I live!

Not only do you need to grow up - but it also seems like you need a little anger management! You did make me feel a little better about myself though - in the sense that I'm glad I'm not a jackass like yourself!

Rush

12-11-2003, 10:59 AM

.. Someone needs his Valium prescription refilled, I think. :rolleyes:

SirJaime

12-11-2003, 11:00 AM

Well Of course I have heard of (upyours)deer(upyours) , I'm a coast to coast truck driver I think I know the (upyours)deer(upyours) problem very well and the fog lights aint gonna help out !

I have had (upyours)DEER(upyours) just stand in the middle of the highway doing 75mph when I am in the mountains low beams , AND STILL STOP my truck WITH OUT LOCKING up the wheels !

I was just trying to be very clear to people out there that I was very displeased with the fact of u driving with them ! And when I saw this post I thought what better place to BITCH and be seen by my fellow MSP drivers. In hope that you youngster would wake up and be kind to your fellow man ! ( ya right ! )

Like that will ever happen !

ps: I love you all tooo ( NOT ) j/k , I try

Rush

12-11-2003, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by SirJaime
Well Of course I have heard of dear , I'm a coast to coast truck driver I think I know the dear problem very well and the fog lights aint gonna help out !

I have had DEAR just stand in the middle of the highway doing 75mph when I am in the mountains low beams , AND STILL STOP my truck WITH OUT LOCKING up the wheels !

I was just trying to be very clear to people out there that I was very displeased with the fact of u driving with them ! And when I saw this post I thought what better place to BITCH and be seen by my fellow MSP drivers. In hope that you youngster would wake up and be kind to your fellow man ! ( ya right ! )

Like that will ever happen !

Those four-legged animals that have hooves and white tails and grow antlers are called DEER. D-E-E-R. A 'dear' is an affectionate nickname for someone you care about, or the first word many people use when writing a letter.

And fog lights, when driving in dark strips of 'out in the middle of nowhere' roads where there is no street lighting, increase visibility. And by increasing visibility -- gasp, you can see the DEER earlier!

And if you hate fogs so much .. close your eyes when you see a car with them coming. You CAN drive with your eyes closed, y'know. Duh.

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 11:12 AM

Damn you beat me to it! Thanks for "spelling" that out for her (i mean him). And what the hell do you mean that they don't help? The biggest problem with dear - oops deer - is not being able to see them. They like to run out in front of my (usually every night)! If they only made some kind of lights that could help? Anyone have any ideas? Maybe we can tape two flashlights to the front end of our cars? Wait a minute... don't they already...?

Rush

12-11-2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by CinTurbo
Damn you beat me to it! Thanks for "spelling" that out for her (i mean him). And what the hell do you mean that they don't help? The biggest problem with dear - oops deer - is not being able to see them. They like to run out in front of my (usually every night)! If they only made some kind of lights that could help? Anyone have any ideas? Maybe we can tape two flashlights to the front end of our cars? Wait a minute... don't they already...?

(rofl)

Sorry CinTurbo, but when I read his post .. I just couldn't restrain myself. I mean, wow.

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 11:16 AM

And one more thing - you're talking about "being kind to our felllow men" right after you posted a thread saying shit like this - and I quote, " hate all u ass wipe's out there with faglight's ! " Hmmm?

May peace be with you :)

SirJaime

12-11-2003, 11:20 AM

LOL OK OK OK , DEER DEER DEER KREAKIN DEER , SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD FOR MISSPELLING GZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! You still knew what I was talking about , you people are as bad as an ole lady ! Always trying to change the man they fell in love with !

ps: I do apologize for that , that is just what they call them over the CB wave's and it just kind of STUCK !

shaolin

12-11-2003, 02:03 PM

Dude what are you on?

Vulcanon

12-11-2003, 02:26 PM

he's on cocaine, if you saw him in person he'd be bug eyed and twitching randomly, just look how he acts

Gbourdon

12-11-2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by shaolin
Dude what are you on?

Meth? Coast to coast trucker you know. Anyway. Why not suggest being sensible when using foglights rather than just calling people names and for wanting to have them. Maybe suggest turning them off when passing traffic or driving behind someone. Don't really need them on then anyway. Did you ever think that maybe foglights can be helpful? Maybe they can also prevent accidents by allowing people to see farther up the road than just having headlights.

I hope you aren't one of those truckers who passes cars on the double yellow even when they are doing the speed limit. That shit pisses me off and I have seen it a lot on my drive to work whatever. I'm ranting, threadjacking and way off topic.

jfuller

12-11-2003, 03:14 PM

ok guys,

you all are missing the point. Fog lights look cool that is the only reason anyone uses them. They don't do shit for visibility, if anything they make the road surface to brighter to about 10 feet. thats all!

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 03:27 PM

I'm just going to speak for everyone and say - YOU'RE WRONG! Ummm...

When you turn the fog lights on and things in front of you become more visible (how much depends on the bulb).

ummm.. that's what they're supposed to do.

ummm... I see more! They work! Everyone is happy!

Look out for that deer, dear!

Stay off the crack!

jfuller

12-11-2003, 03:34 PM

fog lights usually do what they are supposed to do. the make the surface of the road directly in front of your car brighter so that you can see through the fog, what is on the ground. They won't help you seed a deer 25 yards down the road.
ps. Im not trying to start a fight here, I am just stating fact

Newf

12-11-2003, 03:56 PM

I use them to see bumps and potholes at night mostly. I also live in a area where we have more people die because of hitting moose then just about anywhere else in Canada.

That being said, when my life is on the line, any light I can use...the better. Fogs do not project light very far. However, a lot of moose accidents are when they jump out in front of you from the side of the road....not when their 150 feet down the road in front of you. I used to drive truck ( on the island only) and I can't tell you how many moose/caribou and whatever else I've seen, and most of the time it's on my right hand side as they get startled when you come past them.

Most truck drivers here have enough lights on them to light up a city....and it's NOT for looks, it is for moose. They have lights up on the roof, and down by their bumpers.

Stock P5 lights when aimed right do produce a bit of light out towards the sides of the car. It ain't much, and I have had so many better fogs before, but it might be enough for the light to catch the eyes of an animal in time to make you turn away from it. I know this, because it's happened. And now that I don't have fogs ( had a mp3 remember), there is a difference of the amount of light on the side of the car, and of course directly in front on the ground.

Now, lets not turn this into yet ANOTHER bullshit thread. Where are all these people coming from anyways that just yell and bitch all the time. People are entitiled to their opinions, just do it in a civil manor please

Back on topic, there is only one car here I know of with the 2003.5 lip and fogs. it's a P5, and the fogs are nothing like the stock ones, they are the little blue pencil ones you can get at any autoshop. Not quite what I'm looking for. But to be honest, I haven't tried very hard at looking for fogs for months as I have really grown to like the looks of the front of the car without them. I do miss that extra bit of light though.

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 03:58 PM

That is true - they won't help with things that are far away. But I see deer every night and most of the time they are along side the road at a fairly close distance waiting to jump out.

To me, any kind of light helps. I used to own a Mustang and I would always drive home with the fogs on b/c of the noticeable difference.

You are also right about the fog. I pretty much live in a river valley where there is a lot of fog. It'gets so bad that you can bairly see 10ft in front of your car. That's when fogs will absolutely help out.

Gbourdon

12-11-2003, 04:03 PM

Okay so how about driving lights?

fog tends to hover about 12 to 18 inches off the ground. So by projecting light in that fog-free pocket, you can illuminate the road a greater distance from your car and therefore see farther ahead. Some people swear by fog lights. Others claim that they don't really make much difference. (Stolen from click and clack)

funnylittlman

12-11-2003, 04:26 PM

What about these?
http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/004xt.gif
004XT XTREME WHITE

http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/p-1000xt.gif
P-1000XT Platinum Extreme

OR

http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/1100x.gif
1100 X PLATINUM Dichroic Driving Lamp

I personally like the 3rd choice :D

Gbourdon

12-11-2003, 04:35 PM

The only reason I wouldn't want those in there is because they always look like a bolt on. Which they are of course but I guess it really depends on the install. If you could put them behind a grill or something then i think it would be pretty slick but the grill would be in the way so it would be pointless.

funnylittlman

12-11-2003, 04:40 PM

I agree w/ you Gbourdon,

But These:
http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/40rnd.gif
40 ROUND
http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-pages/40rnd.html

Look more stock, but I don't know if they'll fit inside the bumper ? ? ?

SirJaime

12-11-2003, 04:42 PM

LOL Wah Wah Wah ! LOL Y'all Talking bout calling names , if u accept the name then I guess u r ;o) ! I @ no time named names an said ur a dumb ass (lol) I was just voicing my opinion ( thinking this is a free world ) NOT , plus being 1 of my constitutional rights. But I am kind of amazed that I have this kind of control over you all ! ! ! LOL !

(upyours)I AM GOD (ROFLMFAO)(upyours)

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 04:49 PM

Anyone have pics of fogs on a 03.5?

funnylittlman

12-11-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by SirJaime
LOL Wah Wah Wah ! LOL Y'all Talking bout calling names , if u accept the name then I guess u r ;o) ! I @ no time named names an said ur a dumb ass (lol) I was just voicing my opinion ( thinking this is a free world ) NOT , plus being 1 of my constitutional rights. But I am kind of amazed that I have this kind of control over you all ! ! ! LOL !

(upyours)I AM GAY (ROFLMFAO)(upyours)

:confused: (scratch)

Was that directed at me SirJaime? If it was.. I'm confused b/c I didn't say anything. I just was getting back on post?

And what's that about being gay? (peep) :D

Gbourdon

12-11-2003, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by SirJaime
WHAT THE F-CK FOR.
#1 IF YOU DONT DRIVE ON THE COUNTRY DIRT ROADS , YOU DONT F-CKIN NEED FOG LIGHTS ! ! ! I hate all u ass wipe's out there with foglight's !

#2 If you can't see @ night with just your low beam headlights ? You need to get the hell off the road !

#3 You dick weeds out there that think you need those headlights that are so bright anybody coming towrd is blind for a few seconds after you have passed ! Well lets just say somebody out there is taking potshot @ drivers on an Ohio highway ! and well this could be a very good reason.

If u will notice the shooter is not shooting tractor-trailer's , I'm not that crazy (YET !) Not that would ever do something like that ! But you f-ckers do piss me off big time ! ! ! There is no reason for you to us them ! On a regular highway ! or street !

Just use your HEAD dumbass ! THIS IS NOT A THREAT , JUST A THOUGHT!

Hmmmm...nope didn't see you call anybody any names there.

Anyway. yeah i like those other lights better because they look more stock. I think that fog lights need to be large but not too big. Those ones look like the would fill up the gaps better.

Gbourdon

12-11-2003, 05:00 PM

Whoa I just looked at the dimensions on those 6.5 inches is pretty big I am thinking like 5 or so. What are the dimensions on the stock lights?

Newf

12-11-2003, 05:12 PM

hella angel eyes are the only ones that will fit that I know of, and they might be a bit too small. I think their 4"

search for angel eyes in the off topic secton. I don't have time know, but there is where I posted stuff about this before, and someone here had them in his P5. They will defintely fit though.

CinTurbo

12-11-2003, 05:25 PM

I don't think 4" would be too small. I searched and there are a ton of threads. Has anyone installed on a 03.5? I'd like to see pics if so - thanks

Gbourdon

12-11-2003, 05:28 PM

I don't see what would be too hard about putting them in the 3.5 You would have to fab or modify the bracket but it shouldn't be difficult. Too bad theres no wiring there already though.

RyanJayG

12-11-2003, 05:37 PM

SirJaime, check your PM box

SirJaime

12-11-2003, 05:40 PM

DOG-DAMN and you people want to talk about me bitchin , I just wanted to voice my opinion ,OOOOPS YOU can't do that ! NO I WAS NOT TALKING TO U ! I DON'T GIVE DOG-DAMN WHAT THE HELL YOU R ! And it does not mater who I know what i've done or where I hav lived ! I'm just a bunch of letter on a screen !

tbl

12-11-2003, 07:05 PM

SirJamie:

http://troll.obstinate.org/stfu.jpg

That is all.

SirJaime

12-11-2003, 07:25 PM

Ba ha ha HA ! Bite Me Junior !

Newf

12-11-2003, 08:58 PM

type angel eyes in the search for off topic section and you get a whole

2 topics. One started my me

http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb230/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26639&highlight=angel+eyes

here's the p5 with them

http://www.cardomain.com/id/protege5lava

tbl

12-11-2003, 09:07 PM

i saw this guy at life last weekend, and i bought the lights the next day. they arrived in the mail today. i will install them this weekend on my TG 03.5 and post pics

Newf

12-11-2003, 09:09 PM

Wicked! PICS for sure!

but um.....TG 03.5? typo?

tbl

12-11-2003, 09:11 PM

titanium grey

Newf

12-11-2003, 09:52 PM

doh :)

brain fart

funnylittlman

12-11-2003, 10:12 PM

PICS PICS!

BTW, Sir Jaime,
I was just playin man. You gotta let out some steam, go to the Flames Forum. :D

Dr.Sound

12-11-2003, 10:42 PM

damn, i though i had a pic of that P5 with those light somewhere arround here........guess not.

yeah, those lights looked like they fit perfectly into the 03.5 MSP.

Himoura

12-11-2003, 11:44 PM

Damn someone beat me to the punch. I wanted to be the 1st one with the angel eye fogs on the MSP!!! LOL

Himoura

12-12-2003, 12:10 AM

How is this?

http://www.angelfire.com/pro/mazdaspeed2099/MyMSPWFOG.jpg

tbl

12-12-2003, 12:33 AM

mounting them is a pain in the ass, the only way i think i can do it is to mount it from the top so it is hanging off of the top of the overhang (not actually behind the bumper)

damn you victor you said that there was mounting brackets on our cars already!

Dr.Sound

12-12-2003, 04:05 AM

d'oh!

shit dude, i took my 03 appart before, but never the 03.5
i thought it was the same.......sux dude, i'm sorry

hey, but i'm sure u can do some that are better :D

Brian MP5T

12-12-2003, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by SirJaime
Ba ha ha HA ! Bite Me Junior !

What are you...Like 16 and your mommy gave you more allowance so you could get your licence. You are so off fucking topic it makes we wish you were banned. In general, use this rule bozo.

If the post you are about to make wont either answer the question or suggest a solution, you should perhaps not post it. I'm sure that even a dimwit such as yourself can see the reaction you got from the comunity of mazda owners who have replied to you. Grow up, why don't you log on the the Subaru Board or somewhere else. I'm sure there is a "Stupid Redneck" msg board somewhere. www.trucksnguns.com ??

:wtf:

Newf

12-12-2003, 07:46 AM

that pic is too dark. I can't see what I want to see.

Still waiting to see yours....

CinTurbo

12-12-2003, 08:51 AM

Yeah - thanks for the "on-topic" replies. I'm looking forward to seeing to what the Angel Eyes will look like. I bet the mounting will be a bitch! What about wiring? How big of a pain in the ass will this be?

And thanks for the links newf!

P.S. Somebody send that guy a dictionary!

Glowmunkey

12-12-2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by SirJaime
LOL OK OK OK , DEER DEER DEER KREAKIN DEER , SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD FOR MISSPELLING GZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

We can dream right...?

SirJaime

12-12-2003, 10:34 AM

Damn U poeple are still trippin , and You want to talk shit ! You grow up FOOL !

tbl

12-12-2003, 11:32 AM

the wiring looks VERY VERY easy, I did all of the wiring in about 10 min. The only semi difficult part was making the hole for the switch to go in. For this I dremel'd out a small hole (square) in one of the empty slots on in the dimmer switch pannel (you can pop off the little panels individually by taking a small screwdriver (i used one out of an eyeglasses kit) and putting it on the side and working it out.

Other than that the wiring was very easy, everything was crimped already and it was just plug and play. As far as power, you just need to wire it to the positive battery terminal. It has a relay and a fuse built in to deal with the increased power.

As far as mounting... It is going to be a bitch, but it will fit and look nice. I mocked it up last night. I am just going to need to make a custom bracket. Or pick one up at a hardware store. I haven't decided which one I will go with yet, anyone have any suggestions as to what to do? there is one hole that I can see through the hole, I can mount it to that but im not sure how well it will support the light.

At a last resort I can just mount it to the top of the hole. However it will stick out a bit to far for my taste. I was wanting it to sit back in the hole a bit more.

One thing to be noted. If you pop out that black mesh. You can see, if you look closely. The holes and whatnot to hole the above mentioned mesh piece in. You can still see it slightly (if you are within 2 feet) with the light in place. The light will not completely cover it. However moving back a bit you cannot see it anymore.

I any case, I will post tomorrow letting you know how I attacked the above problems. Will let you know.

tbl

12-12-2003, 11:48 AM

I will mock them up tonight and post picks with the angels on.

CinTurbo

12-12-2003, 12:02 PM

Awesome! Thanks alot! If everything works out on your end I'll order the Angel Eyes next week. What kind of price are we talking for these bad boys?

tbl

12-12-2003, 12:34 PM

mine was $63 shipped

Gbourdon

12-12-2003, 01:47 PM

That's so cheap. I might have to do that just because.

tbl

12-12-2003, 02:20 PM

thats what i did =D

enigM@

12-12-2003, 08:40 PM

dumb question.. how's the lip mounted to the bumper ?

Newf

12-12-2003, 08:42 PM

ever think of getting the stock OEM brackets?

GA_MZDASPEED

12-12-2003, 09:58 PM

My name is james.......i've gone by jaime my whole life .......and today.....(because of you) ..... i'm switching back to james

Hello all.....my name is James and I drive a Mazdaspeed.

(collective response...minus..sir ass-monkey)...."HELLO JAMES"

tbl

12-13-2003, 12:17 AM

the oem brackets for the 03 won't fit on our cars. I know how im going to mount them, there is a hole where the 03 fogs connect too. Just a matter of getting the angel eyes to connect to it. gunna work on it tomorrow will let you know how it goes

Brian MP5T

12-13-2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by SirJaime
Damn U poeple are still trippin , and You want to talk shit ! You grow up FOOL !

It's a damn shame that the person that sold you that MSP 2003.5 didn't sell you a used Taurus or some other brand of vehicle. That way you would be poluting the Ford threads and not here.

:rolleyes:

tbl

12-13-2003, 04:14 PM

Angel eyes in, I am kind of disapointed with the results. They stick out a bit too far for my liking. I have yet to see it at night with the angel eyes on. Once it gets dark I will take some pictures and post.

enigM@

12-13-2003, 04:29 PM

does it stick out like this?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid84/p5b7f11e4e68844fca278f67349a5a7e8/facff625.jpg

Pmpkinhead

12-14-2003, 01:10 AM

What are Angel eyes. Are they the ones in Matttrix post with the writing on the hood?
367 (mspyellow

Vulcanon

12-14-2003, 01:16 AM

http://www.cardomain.com/id/protege5lava angel eyes in the fog lights, scroll down a bit to see

Pmpkinhead

12-14-2003, 01:22 AM

They look really similar to factory 2003 factory fogs! I like. I cant wait to do something like this.
367 (mspyellow

PROTEGE_ES

12-14-2003, 02:12 AM

SirJaime - ur right, this is a free country and we are allowed to say watever we want...but this mazda forum is like a community and we respect each other's views and opinions. some ppl might like cars with foglights and others don't, who are you to say which is right?

And technically, ppl who have foglights DO NOT blind other drivers. The lights your talking about are called HID. They have NOTHING to do w/foglights. So here's a heads up for you: the next time you plan on opening your ass, make sure you know what ur talking about or you'll just look like a fool!!!

Also, i think you need some serious help or at least cut-down on watever your on!!!!!! peace

tbl

12-14-2003, 01:12 PM

here you go, pictures of a TG 03.5 with angel eyes. I will have somebody take more pics tonight of the lights after it gets dark (as you can't really see them in the day at all).

http://obstinate.org/msp/images/

Dr.Sound

12-14-2003, 01:18 PM

we'll take some good ones tonight at Life :D

Minus

12-14-2003, 01:54 PM

yeah that pic up there looks ricey as hell imo

enigM@

12-14-2003, 02:49 PM

any gaps ? i really can't tell from the pics

tbl

12-14-2003, 03:38 PM

not that you can really see without getting really close. I took the black plastic grating that used to be there and cut it so that the bracket and foglight fit into it. So it looks a ll nice instead of the open area all around it.

enigM@

12-14-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by tbl
not that you can really see without getting really close. I took the black plastic grating that used to be there and cut it so that the bracket and foglight fit into it. So it looks a ll nice instead of the open area all around it.

oh ok..

but if u completely removed that little grill, would the fogs sit further back?

tbl

12-14-2003, 07:05 PM

no, it was because they couldn't sit further back that i added the grill =)

ahb11m

12-14-2003, 08:07 PM

haha, deer are easy (from what i hear), they stand in the road!!, kangaroos will jump out in front of your car, i mounted some driving lights on mine to cope with the damn things, so i geta good head up, and the drivers also light up a patch like fogs, and to the sides... they are the best things ever!!

here its illegal to drive with them on anyway, but everyone does.....

those rounds look good in there, how about mounting it to the side of the hole???

enigM@

12-14-2003, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by tbl
no, it was because they couldn't sit further back that i added the grill =)

i see

be sure to post up some night pics!!

CinTurbo

12-15-2003, 09:09 AM

I don't think they look too bad - but does anyone know if we could use a smaller fog that will at least sit flush or even sit back a little? Maybe something other than Angel Eyes? Maybe something even a little smaller?

Nice work tbl! Thanks for the pics!

Minus

12-15-2003, 09:36 AM

well i dont think fog lights would blind you, simply because their range is outwards and not straight forward like your head lights...

tbl

12-15-2003, 12:02 PM

updated with night pics:

http://obstinate.org/msp/images/

Himoura

12-15-2003, 02:48 PM

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!

enigM@

12-15-2003, 04:22 PM

wow.. i like

did u have to remove the lip first?

how tough was it? i don't wanna have to go to a shop and pay for installation

tbl

12-15-2003, 04:25 PM

if i were to do it again it would only take me like 30 min. You don't need to remove anything. All I did was attach the bracket to the top of the hole (as far back as it could go. Wiring is cake you can funnel the wires down the hole where the injen cai goes. The hardest part of the install (after i figured stuff out) was getting the 3 wires for the switch through the grommit in the firewall. If you have any other questions post them here or drop me an email and i will do my best to answer

CinTurbo

12-15-2003, 04:36 PM

How about a how-to?

tbl

12-15-2003, 04:42 PM

how about die!

http://troll.obstinate.org/AnswerIsNo.jpg

CinTurbo

12-15-2003, 05:02 PM

calm down - just asking

tbl

12-15-2003, 05:02 PM

have a sense of humor =D

i might get around too it, but i lack a digital camera to take pictures step by step. and i lack time to describe everything! its quite simple if you just give it a shot it should be no problem.

ahb11m

12-16-2003, 05:48 AM

hey where did you put your trigger wires? also where did you locate the relay? i was gonna put mine in the relay box, but ran out of wire (remember i have to cross sides....)

tbl

12-16-2003, 11:13 AM

i bundeled up in between the cai and the headlights. Just some electrical tape. i don't know what trigger wires are! if you mean the switch, i put it next to the dimmer switch using one of the blanks (i cut out a box for the switch that came with the angel eyes).

ahb11m

12-17-2003, 02:53 AM

oops, i should of said, what did you run your trigger wire (switching) off?

did you have the fog lamp wires behind that dimmer switch???????

Newf

12-17-2003, 10:46 AM

Doesn't look bad at all, but this is not how I would be doing it. That grill would be coming out, and the light would be sitting back another 2-3 inches at least. Was the bracket the reason why you didn't put it back further? Looks like the lense would have no troubles sitting back further in the pics . But that bracket is all wrong four our purposes. We need something that mounts from behind like the stock ones. You should not be able to see the bracket at all.

tbl

12-17-2003, 11:44 AM

sitting back another 2-3 inches at least
Oh I agree, I spent about 8 hours trying to fabricate a bracket that would mount it further back. It is not really possible (at least with my skill). I would of mounted it back there if I could. The problem is that the OEM holes on the 03 bumper aren't quite in the Line of Sight of the vent hole. The vent hole is VERY small. Like 3x3inches. The back end of these foglights barely fit into the hole at all.

oops, i should of said, what did you run your trigger wire (switching) off?

did you have the fog lamp wires behind that dimmer switch???????

There was a switch that came with the kit. you can see it in this picture.
http://www.obstinate.org/msp/images/DSC00018.JPG

I ran the wires through the gromit in the firewall and put them up through next to the dimmer switch, cut a square hole for the switch to go in. and plugged them in.

P.S. I have made some temporary "mock" brackets and yes, I have been able to get the angel eyes 2.25" further back with them.

Whoa elite, let us know how it goes.