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unwrittenLaw
06-10-2003, 01:50 PM
I went to my dealer today about hesitation..nothing new..said Mazda is aware and working out a fix blah blah blah...
Anyways, while I was waiting, one of the service manager's remembered last time I went there he noticed my 'trick' turbo timer as he put it. "But"....he talked to one of his techs who noticed it also, and said that it could cause ecu problems when the car is on and could send false signals or something to the computer....basically I did not understand what the hell he was trying to say and it sounded like he was trying to scare me into thinking it could cause problems down the road. He said it might cause a check engine light to come on or something...I said I've had no problems with it at all... I told him all it does is keep the engine running when I turn the car off and has a built in boost guage, and I don't think it really messes around with the ecu..like he was trying to say..or whatever...
Has anyone else had the dealers complain about their turbo timers?
I'm sick of dealerships...
The other tech who rode along with me to see the stumbling was cool though, and seemed understanding that I wasn't trying to get one over on the dealer...I just wanted my car to work properly. He said not to worry about the turbo timer thing..just that the service manager wanted to point out it 'might' cause problems.....:rolleyes:
If a dealer tells you it can cuase an issue tell them to immedatly draw a diagram of how it is hooked up.
If they can't then they have no clue even what circuits are effected and which were tapped into.
boostisgood
06-10-2003, 01:53 PM
Yah what !st said. Any money the service mgr has not clue what a turbo timer does, or where its hooked up, or how to hook one up.
:mad: :mad: :mad: I HATE ASSHOLE SERVICE MGRS LIKE THAT.(fight)
Kooldino
06-10-2003, 01:53 PM
LOL. Does he know that a TT is a functional thing that will prolong turbo life, ie, make HIS life easier? Make sure to bring that up.
That said, I've never wired in a TT, so I can't say what it can and cannot THEORETICALLY effect.
unwrittenLaw
06-10-2003, 02:07 PM
I told him it was to benefit the turbo...and he was like "well...yeah.." and then the BUT...blahblahblah...
jerk off
Seriously, tell him to draw a diagram instantly of how it is hooked up.
If he can't then he has no idea how it is hooked up, what wires it is connected to or evenhow it works. In short he is totaly full of shit, saw a non stock device and tried to weasel out of future issues that may happen to the car.
If he can't draw it and wants to void a warrenty he'd better damn well be able to draw it by the time you get to court!
122 Vega
06-10-2003, 02:16 PM
My dealer said the same thing, I scoffed when they said that, but they noticed my wife's books in the car and dropped that real quick. She's specializing in comercial law, consumer protection and warranties in law school.
Britt
unwrittenLaw
06-10-2003, 02:18 PM
Thanks for the replies guys..makes me feel better... I didn't really have the technical vocabluary to defend myself...
twiztedjeckel
06-10-2003, 02:21 PM
hey Britt, can (boostisgood) barrow your wife for an hour or 2 next time he goes?;)
122 Vega
06-10-2003, 02:28 PM
With you advertising the "Shocker"? I don't think I'd leave her with you for a minute or two let alone an hour!
Britt
mazdadan
06-10-2003, 02:30 PM
Well seeing how a turbo timer merely "reads" information from the ECU, there is no way it could affect the vehicle's performance unless the timer is defective and putting out "noise/voltage" on the tapped connections. The timer should have a built in isolation circuit to prevent any type of interference. The power connections to the ignition switches should cause no issues whatsoever as you are merely providing 12 volts of power to the device.
Cirielle
06-10-2003, 03:23 PM
So if I went to this dealer, would he try to tell me that my Compustar is going to cause problems down the road. I mean hell it has a turbo timer, remote start, and a timer on it to warm it up every 1.5-3 hours. So I guess with all of the turbo cars out there on the market now will just have so many problems from the timer, yep that has got to be it.
I guess also if I drink water while in my car I could die of electrocution because there is electrical stuff in my car. And well if we change out the stereo system then the battery will short out.......blah blah blah blah blah...
YOUR DEALER IS AN ASS!
I have had dealers refuse my customers service becuase of a remoe starter on the car.
Cirielle
06-10-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
I have had dealers refuse my customers service becuase of a remoe starter on the car.
Why???
unwrittenLaw
06-10-2003, 04:15 PM
This is the kind of bull shit I'm tired of....dealers seem to make an excuse for any and everything....its so damn lame!
if the remote start was installed inpropery, it could start and roll while someone is working on it. Now this is VERY unlikely.
unwrittenLaw
06-10-2003, 04:21 PM
I wonder if my tinted windows might cause any problems...?
:rolleyes:
Cirielle
06-10-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by unwrittenLaw
I wonder if my tinted windows might cause any problems...?
:rolleyes:
Yes, actually it can cause problems. When they do an inspection (if you have them in your state) the lame-asses might actually have to pay attention and not scratch up your tint. Then they have to pay for the removal and installation again of your tint.....yep next excuse already lined up. In fact, I just think that dealers are going to start to tell people not to drive their cars anymore because that will cause problems and also at the same point that you have to make sure it is driven at least once a weak so you don't get dry rot. Pretty much dealers will start telling us that we should just get bikes to ride around on (10 speed, 15 speed - just so you don't think I mean motorcycles), but still give them business every few months!
unwrittenLaw
06-10-2003, 04:40 PM
They are such tools..:mad:
Originally posted by Cirielle
Why???
Becuase they are complete and total retards that don't know how anything works electricly so since its not in the service manual they have no clue how to deal with it.
If it was for a starting related problem thats one thing but to refuse general service is bullshit.
Originally posted by newf
if the remote start was installed inpropery, it could start and roll while someone is working on it. Now this is VERY unlikely.
Nope!
NO SHOP, will incure the liability to put a remote start on a standard and automatics have a real hard time moving in park.
The only thing a dealer could claim is that the car maystart while they are working on it, by the belts or something and they could be hurt. Theres a few problems with this though:
1. EVERY remote start has a mercury tilt switch or a pin switch to disable the start function if the hood is up.
2. The car cannot just start unless someone presses the start or combination of start buttons so it would be the dealers own damn fualt for starting the car.
3. Anytime you are doing something potentialy dangerous in a car, even the manual tells you to disconnect the battery. Thus if they fallowed all the steps the battery would be unpluged and the car unable to start!
Enjoy (thumb)
Notorious
06-10-2003, 05:38 PM
Which dealership in San Diego do you go to?
YP5 Toronto
06-10-2003, 05:38 PM
what an idiot....man that makes me feel confident about the type of people that Mazda is using for mechanics...
Dexter
06-10-2003, 05:40 PM
first i woulda asked the prick if he was joking....then if he persisted, i woulda asked if he knew what the fuck he was talking about...and if he continued with his idiotic bullshit, i woulda said fuck off and drive out of the dealership
JMS'sMSP
06-10-2003, 05:46 PM
I told my dealer about it when I went to get the routine maintenace done, and there is one guy in charge of the mazdaspeeds and he said "ok thats good"
girth
06-10-2003, 06:20 PM
LOL, seems today has turned into "bash the dealerships day" -- and I must say, IT'S ABOUT F-ING TIME!!!! I've never, not once, dealt with a dealership that was worth squat. And that is a disgrace. The first car manufacturer that starts selling direct and doing service direct *via "satelite service shops" or whatever) will get my business. These dealerships of today all need their asses kicked.
122 Vega
06-10-2003, 06:28 PM
1. EVERY remote start has a mercury tilt switch or a pin switch to disable the start function if the hood is up.
Not quite sure about this, I was an MECP certified master installer for a few years and during that time (80's&90's) I saw no remote starts that came with merc switches. We would have to install these supplementary. We also made magnetic ring switches that encircled the shifter and bypassed the remote start if it were in gear. We also did one with a hydraulic resevoir and pump that applied the clutch during the start sequence. I think what the issue is for dealers and shops, is that back in the day when remote starts were new, certain ones (DEI) had issues with starting when the battery was reattatched. This is not an issue with any current systems that I know of. There are plenty of shops that do not install any type of bypass or safety switch for the hood with remote starts. It is unfortunate, but it does happen. And also, the owner of the car incurs the liability of the damages in most states, not the shop that installs it. I am finding out all sorts of neat things since my wife went to law school. It's kind of like trying to sue a gun manufacturer because someone shot you. Very difficult if not impossible.
Britt
unwrittenLaw
06-10-2003, 06:32 PM
Which dealership in San Diego do you go to?
I'm not in San Diego right now...the dealer I went to is up on the Central Coast..
first i woulda asked the prick if he was joking....then if he persisted, i woulda asked if he knew what the fuck he was talking about...and if he continued with his idiotic bullshit, i woulda said fuck off and drive out of the dealership
I wanted to....but I tried to keep my cool because they are the only dealership I can go to at the moment..so I'm trying to stay on their good side. I just don't know why he told me this crap all of the sudden...I wish I could have someone go with me that is more technically knowledgeable and tell them to cut their crap. But its pretty intimidating when you're alone and have to go up against service managers and techs that don't know much about the Mazdaspeeds...its just frustrating...
While I was there I also asked them about the clunk which is starting to come back and the tech said he heard from Mazda that they were getting better results with some other type of bushing, like energy somethin or other..I asked them if they could order those, and he said they couldn't...So I was confused..he's telling me there is a better bushing but they can't get it? What, am I suppost to go someplace and pay outta my own pocket to get them put on?....I don't get it..
In addition, I asked him about the rust starting to develop on the rotor hubs..its not too bad but its there and he said that's just because "the Mazdaspeed uses different types of brakes"....WTF? After that response and the other frustration, I didn't even want to bother asking him if heard about the TSB for rotor rust on the 2002's....geez
Maybe I'm too nice when I go there and just am too accepting...maybe I need to turn into an Uber-ass hole ...but its hard, when they have so many crappy exuses and explanations......
Ok, sorry....I'll shut up now...just been a long, shitty day at the dealership...its depressing.... :(
Originally posted by 122 Vega
Not quite sure about this, I was an MECP certified master installer for a few years and during that time (80's&90's) I saw no remote starts that came with merc switches. We would have to install these supplementary. We also made magnetic ring switches that encircled the shifter and bypassed the remote start if it were in gear. We also did one with a hydraulic resevoir and pump that applied the clutch during the start sequence. I think what the issue is for dealers and shops, is that back in the day when remote starts were new, certain ones (DEI) had issues with starting when the battery was reattatched. This is not an issue with any current systems that I know of. There are plenty of shops that do not install any type of bypass or safety switch for the hood with remote starts. It is unfortunate, but it does happen. And also, the owner of the car incurs the liability of the damages in most states, not the shop that installs it. I am finding out all sorts of neat things since my wife went to law school. It's kind of like trying to sue a gun manufacturer because someone shot you. Very difficult if not impossible.
Britt
Every DEI, astrostart, and avital remote start comes with pin switches and we have to install one or we are in some serious shit.
Like you said its not impossible to sue thus BB, CC, and us will all use pin switches even if the remote starter doesn't have one.
Also remote starters on standards are totaly against company policy and we will NEVER do one on the books. You do, your fired! Even on cars with neutral safety switches.
OrangeMSP
06-11-2003, 01:07 AM
my dealer opend my hood and laughed at me.... then closed it then one minute later about half the service staff came out and laughed stuff like " wow your warranty is fucked lol " and some stuff like that. then i went on to say "well i had to do this cause you all couldnt fix the hesitation so fak off!"
2K3 MSP
06-11-2003, 01:11 AM
I would void my warranty for a set-up like that anyday...plus, I'd love to see the look on those guys faces:)
You should have said.
Well I knew you couldn't fix shit even if moazda could tell you how so I figured mayeb you'd have the same chance with this!
OrangeMSP
06-11-2003, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by 1st MP3 in NH
You should have said.
Well I knew you couldn't fix shit even if moazda could tell you how so I figured mayeb you'd have the same chance with this!
(lol) werd
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