why is my MSP so damn slow?

[SuperSpud]

ok.. I already know the answer to this question.. its ME... I dont really know how to drive this car yet.. I see on my "kill list" thread ppl beating all sorts of shit that I KNOW would kill me..
some dude said I should be beating preludes with intake and exhaust... well, I got KILLED by my friends stock prelude...

so what do I do?? teach me to drive my MSP ha ha...

when you launch,, what do you launch from?? I have tried 3.5k and 4k... not to much wheel spin.. then I shift at 6k all gears... (doesnt power drop off after that?)

I dont shift slow,, I actually shift fast... but it just seems like I am loosing RPM's.. what can be done here??

today I raced my friends GSX eclipse (awd turbo) and lost too... I must be doing somthing wrong...

[boostisgood]

I shift right around 5.5 to 5.6k RPM's, in frist through 3rd,anything after that and the Torque drops off bad. Remember the first 1/8th mile is a race of torque, the last is h.p. so I run 4th and 5th to redline. Hope that helps in that dept.

As far as launching, I really have not found any RPM Im comfortable with launching with, 3.5 is what Im doing right now, and satying consistant, but dont know for sure till I get to the test and tune nite thursday.

[SuperSpud]

wow.. so shift at 5.5'ish??damn.. that will make rpm's even lower after the shift....

[GOTZOOM?]

Dont let off the gas when you shift.

[boostisgood]

lol your hit the fuel cut/rev limiter there, just do it quick enough to not let the RPM's drop below 3k. That is where the torque band is for the MSP. trust me, just practice (in a safe legal spot) an d it will come. I havent driven my MSP for the past week, and didnt miss a shift on my way home from the dealer. :D

[SuperSpud]

umm.. so you were joking about not letting off the gas right.. ha ha...

so do we all agree about the 5.6 shifting??

[GOTZOOM?]

No, actually I wasnt kidding, When racing I don't let off the throttle. It sometimes will hit the rev limiter, but not a big deal, its there so the engine won't over rev. If you shift at 5.5, then you are letting the RPM's drop out of a usable range, and you will lose everytime. You need to get the RPM's high enough so when you shift, they stay in the upper power band. if you shift fast enough and at the right RPM, when you push the clutch in the RPM's will raise to a certain point before hitting redline. The trick is practice shifting and letting the clutch out before that point. You can shift at 5.5, but you need the RPM's up further before letting that clutch back out. The fastest way is not letting go of the throttle.

[chrisjw85]

Power shift maybe, and note about what you said about the prelude he said you should be able to beat it with an intake and exhaust do you have this done yet? I doubt he ment a prelude with an intake and exhaust. I have a prelude the msp cant beat one with an intake and exhaust trust me at least the 93-96 vtech models, the 92 doesnt have a vtech and some came with 4 wheel steering which only comes stock with 130hp while the other comes with 160hp with 160tq, the 93-96 has 190hp and 160tq., and the 97 and 98 have 195hp same torque, and finally the 99's to 2001's gain 5hp oooh big woop. Anyway, the prelude have the same torque as our cars however dont suffer from turbo lag, you definately can be the 92 four wheel steering version and any model prior to 92, as for the 160hp 92 version maybe, thats what I have and I dont know from driving both its close. As for the rest I highly doubt being about to beat them, unless if you did do some work. Sorry if I caused lots of confusion

[boostisgood]

Hrrrmmm, I would do that, if I had a Stand Alone, like the AEM, that would not allow over a certain RPM while the clutch is pushed in, but me personally would not try that.

Not saying your wrong, I just dont like hitting the Fuel Cut, as it will take the ECU a hiccup or 2 to get back into the proper fuel delivery map, and again, as long as you stay above 3k, you will hit boost almost immediatly, and will hit peak torque at 3.6k. :D

So there ya go. 2 different styles. I would suggest trying both maybe, and seeing what you are most comfortable with.

[chrisjw85]

Oh and as for the eclipse yeah you wouldnt beat that, its awd, no tire spin, and from what I just checked the 90 to 94 ones have 195hp and 203tq, and from 95 to 99 they have 210hp and some have 205tq and some go up a little with torque. They have more torque and horsepower than us not to mention no slow start times.

[RX-KEVIN]

the power range is strong till redline
don't dump the clutch
slip the clutch longer and harder than you would ever do in a N/A car
shift at redline as fast as your foot will move (you have a short shifter sparco knob and peddals right)
and raise the boost to 10 psi
you will get to "Umm, 65" faster than most cars in a 26,000 dollar price range

[JDM Sam]

Originally posted by chrisjw85
Power shift maybe, and note about what you said about the prelude he said you should be able to beat it with an intake and exhaust do you have this done yet? I doubt he ment a prelude with an intake and exhaust. I have a prelude the msp cant beat one with an intake and exhaust trust me at least the 93-96 vtech models, the 92 doesnt have a vtech and some came with 4 wheel steering which only comes stock with 130hp while the other comes with 160hp with 160tq, the 93-96 has 190hp and 160tq., and the 97 and 98 have 195hp same torque, and finally the 99's to 2001's gain 5hp oooh big woop. Anyway, the prelude have the same torque as our cars however dont suffer from turbo lag, you definately can be the 92 four wheel steering version and any model prior to 92, as for the 160hp 92 version maybe, thats what I have and I dont know from driving both its close. As for the rest I highly doubt being about to beat them, unless if you did do some work. Sorry if I caused lots of confusion


I pulled on one 97 up one with intake exhaust 1 2 cars
stock one 4 5 cars
92 96 vtec with who knows how much shit 1 car
umm dont tell me i cant beat preludes......
come to dallas ill show u how i launch and drive.....
if ur not pulling 15.3s at least ur not launching or shifting at the right rpm...im pullin at most 3500 rpm and gettin off the clutch where it barely peels off slightly... and for the kill list add a bunch of honda and eclipses.....

[JDM Sam]

oh reason #1 why you buy a hks type 1 turbo timer so u know how fast u ur time is when u race....:)

[JDM Sam]

oh yea how many miles you got on ur car now??? did u even give it time to break in???

[SuperSpud]

I have 1,400 miles on my car... it should be broken in now... Im'a go out today and try a few different things..

[TURBO3WAGON]

I’ll tell you why his car is so slow. He got screwed just like the rest of us by Mazda's sorry ass fuel map. My car runs great some times, but more often then not it runs like crap. I barely pulled on an MP3 the other day in the hot sun. I’ve come to the conclusion that it was BS to pay 20K for a car that runs the way ours do. I mean I know it’s a complete package, but it should run better or at least more constantly. I’m getting Pissed with this substandard tuning & performance! That’s why my shit is sitting at the shop right now and I have to drive an auto Protégé DX. Hell the DX runs just as good when my Speed is on the rag! Sorry, but at some point we have to vent about the Bad hand that Mazda / Calloway dealt us. UHHHH!

:mad: (pissed) (argh) (flame) (bang) (mspb) (gun)

[JDM Sam]

i second that about the inconsistent performance...i say mazda gives us free GREDDY EMS and e01 boosted at 10 psi like it should have been at the factory

[Pro5OnSpeed]

i have found that my launches arent that great either, and i launch at around 3. the stock power band on the FSDE starts at about 3800 or 4000, so if you shift at 6 all the time it will take your rpms down to about between 4 and 5, and thats when our motors begin to pull. just practice. you dont want to just dump the clutch all the time. figure out where the bite point of the clutch is, and ease between clutch. a little wheel spin is good, but make sure when you hit the gas your rpms go up to 4 and just start going. practice man, practice.

another thing to keep in mind, our cars aint drag cars, they are much better for touring and autocross. just practice.

[SuperSpud]

I also have noticed the inconsistancy of my MSP.. some times it runs really good.. others,, hesitation, lack or power, etc.... WTF? you think mazda would have like,, noticed that....

I know this question has been asked a million times,, but what can be done about this?

[TURBO3WAGON]

Wait two more weeks for the new map that Mazda Supposedly will have. I guess you can't run the car when it's on the rag. Talk about having to pick you battles.

:wtf: :bs: (guns) Mazda Engineers (gun)

[chrisjw85]

Originally posted by JDM Sam



I pulled on one 97 up one with intake exhaust 1 2 cars
stock one 4 5 cars
92 96 vtec with who knows how much shit 1 car
umm dont tell me i cant beat preludes......
come to dallas ill show u how i launch and drive.....
if ur not pulling 15.3s at least ur not launching or shifting at the right rpm...im pullin at most 3500 rpm and gettin off the clutch where it barely peels off slightly... and for the kill list add a bunch of honda and eclipses.....

Well thats just bullshit. Either you thought he was racing by taking off at first and letting off or he was just a horrible driver, maybe a stock but one with an intake and exhaust you wont, unless if you were just assuming that. He couldve just had a muffler and an intake, and not had the whole exhaust system done, that I can believe. I have a 92 non vtech and raced a msp and beat it. I dont even have the amount of power that a 93 to 96 has, and I get destroyed by the 97's and up, and I know how to launch to. Been launching the same car for more than a year now. However many people on here have said that going right to the redline with the msp doesnt work as well as shifting a bit earlier, so maybe people are still learning that. If your talking about racing into curves and stuff ok then maybe I'll believe you, but in a straight line its not happening.

[JDM Sam]

Originally posted by chrisjw85


Well thats just bullshit. Either you thought he was racing by taking off at first and letting off or he was just a horrible driver, maybe a stock but one with an intake and exhaust you wont. I have a 92 non vtech and raced a msp and beat it. I dont even have the amount of power that a 93 to 96 has, and I get destroyed by the 97's and up, and I know how to launch to. Been launching the same car for more than a year now. If your talking about racing into curves and stuff ok then maybe I'll believe you, but in a straight line its not happening.

Have witnesses who saw the slaughter of a prelude by me...actually riding shot gun...ill get a video one when i prey on my next one...yup drag race to 100 off da line at the light just wooped the hell outta one last night...didnt let off he just got his ass handed to him...its always the driver excuse lmfao...i think if he was revving up and launching he was racing...ill destroy it straight curves whatever. bring one. ill be happy to show you some msp power.

[chrisjw85]

Like I said unless if your popping the hood and looking at what each one has done it means nothing unless if like car and driver or sport compact takes the two stock cars and compares them. He could just have a big weed wacker muffler and it could sound like to you he has a lot of work done when its really just some lawn equipment in his trunk. The msp is much different with sound levels, its not a family car tuned low rider.

[EXA4DRIVER]

today I raced my friends GSX eclipse (awd turbo) and lost too... I must be doing somthing wrong... [/B][/QUOTE]


Hey man, don't feel bad about losing to a GSX (215 HP plus AWD. I used to have a GS-T and with just a few minor tweaks here and there, I was pulling high 13 sec quarter miles.

[chrisjw85]

And that if he's reving he's racing is total bullshit too. Some guys are just assholes who do that for no good god damn reason. And everyone is like oh I can destroy preludes a vtech one. I bet you 90% of those are the nonvtech models which look exactly like the vtech ones. No different looks at all.

[chrisjw85]

[/B][/QUOTE]Hey man, don't feel bad about losing to a GSX (215 HP plus AWD. I used to have a GS-T and with just a few minor tweaks here and there, I was pulling high 13 sec quarter miles. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think the only hondas and mitsubishi's worth racing are preludes, s2000's, awd eclipse's, 3000gt's, and lancers, thats about it...

[MazdaProbeGT]

SuperSpud, you're definitely shifting too early. Wait til the tach gets a little past redline, then go for it... the stock tachs are off slightly, especially at higher RPM's... so what appears to be 7K is really 6500 or so.

[1sty]

My MP3 turbo is the same damn way.
Sometimes its on its game and pulls like crazy othertimes its A hell of alot slower.

I have noticed its the best after the car is fully wamr but hasn't been on for more then 15 minutes.

[SuperSpud]

Originally posted by MazdaProbeGT
SuperSpud, you're definitely shifting too early. Wait til the tach gets a little past redline, then go for it... the stock tachs are off slightly, especially at higher RPM's... so what appears to be 7K is really 6500 or so. dude,, no way is the stock tach off 500 rpms.... thats just like,, A LOT

as far as shifting to soon... I was looking at the dyno chart form mod. mag. when they tested the MSP,, power completely DIES after 5500 rpms.. and at 6500,, it is like,, completely gone.. so shifting at 6500 would be too late..

[chrisjw85]

Originally posted by SuperSpud
dude,, no way is the stock tach off 500 rpms.... thats just like,, A LOT

as far as shifting to soon... I was looking at the dyno chart form mod. mag. when they tested the MSP,, power completely DIES after 5500 rpms.. and at 6500,, it is like,, completely gone.. so shifting at 6500 would be too late..


Actually it being off 500rpms is not a lot. He's completely right with that. Mine supposedly redlines at 6400rpms and I can go right up to 7000rpms before the fuel cuts out (talking about the prelude.) As far as the power dying at 5500rpms thats what seems to be the rumor..

[SuperSpud]

yes.. looking at the dyno, you can see the power is gone.. what mods would give it a little "umph" at higher rpms?

[JDM Sam]

try turbo back exhaust for more top end power

and on the prelude thing i raced the last model prelude they all had vtec h22s and i beat the crud out this guy. yes he was going i can hear his damn chainsaw sounding intake. i know you have one and all but why does it bother u that a stock msp can beat a h22 with or without i/e.

[chrisjw85]

Originally posted by JDM Sam
try turbo back exhaust for more top end power

and on the prelude thing i raced the last model prelude they all had vtec h22s and i beat the crud out this guy. yes he was going i can hear his damn chainsaw sounding intake. i know you have one and all but why does it bother u that a stock msp can beat a h22 with or without i/e.

Seriously? Cause I like preludes, and I hate all people that classify them under ricers. Thats what the s2000 is going to be considered in a couple of years why? who knows but the prelude was the s2000 on 92 to 01. Plus its just hard for me to imagine since I beat a msp but cant come close to beating the newest model prelude just seems a bit odd. I guess the guy driving the msp just really had no idea what the hell he was doing. While I was past him he was close enough to me to tell that he was trying to race me. Thats all not really saying your full of :bs: or anything like this was not in any way posted directly at you to flame you. Just kinda imagine defending the msp to someone else cause you own it, I've been in the process of trying to get a msp but insurance is being a bitch ($6500 a year) so as of now I still got my prelude so I guess I was just like defending your car thats all. Sorry if I implied anything else, truly didnt want to make trouble. It's actually becomming more comfortable the closer I get to the car to hear that its faster. Just wish I could find a good insurance company, got the stinking deposit on the car, I could take it home tommarow if it was I payed that but its just way too much.

[JDM Sam]

keep huntin for cheapo insurance man get the damn car u will love it.

[nocar]

i shift at 6rpm in my mp3 or sometimes 7500-8