adding cruise control

[laptopheaven]

any one have a suggestion where i should start to add cruise control. Will a set from a standard protege work?

[stepson]

I've heard from someone (on here) that cruise from a regular protege won't work, but i didn't get a good reason as to why. Might be a good place to start though. Also, there are some aftermarket kits, but they are usually generic, and may require mods of some kind .... I'm curious about this too though (drive 50 miles to work- one way) so if you come up with something, definatly let us know here ... I know dakota digital makes one, and google will probably help you find the others.

[MazdaDryvr]

I'm going to jump in here and follow this thread as I too would love to have CC back online. I used it all the time in my P5. Hopefully we can find a solution.

:cool:

[ARunto]

laptopheaven....you don't need no stinkin cruise control ;P

[MikeyG_U2]

Try driving 400 Miles to go skiing and see how your foot feels afterwards. It sucks. Doesn't seem to me that Cruise Control would be such an expensive item that it needed to be dropped from our cars. I would be very interested if anyone knows, or has heard of how to get CC on our cars. In the meantime, I'm gonna go troll the MP3 threads, since they also got jacked with no cruise.

[PaulMP3]

i know people have done it. I remember reading the unit cost around 130$ But im not sure about the strut bar. I know there is two different model # strut bars for w/ and w/o cruise control.

[PaulMP3]

hmmm after searching to find out for myself, i read that only aftermarket ones would work. Mazda one wont work.

cruise control (http://forum.protegemp3.com/vbb222/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=113193&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending&pagenumber=4)

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

uhh that would add weight and weight = bad for speed ;)

[stepson]

uhh that would add weight and weight = bad for speed

I can't imagine a cruise module adding THAT much weight, along with the associated wiring ... Probably way less than say, a box in the trunk for 2 10" subs. You could always remove the rear seats for that matter! :-D

There always needs to be a balance ... this is a road car, not a race car. If you raced it, and never drove it anywhere else, yes, cruise would be awfully useless... but I drive my MSP to work every day, and unfortunatly, speed isn't my only concern.

[REMillers]

Wow never realized the MSP didn't have Cruise Control......

But hey least it has power rear windows right...

*runs out of thread before starting a flame war* :rolleyes:

[t3ase]

Not callin' out any specific person here, but it's quite gunny how people are so concerned about weight.. They have a wood or plastic sub box with two 12"s, two amps, LCD's, 18" bling bling rims, PS2 and a DVD player, and the spare tire but yet when it comes to adding a cruise control module they're all like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! THAT"LL SLOW YOU DOWN!#$

Heh.

[Bijou-MP5]

I didn't know regular protege don't have cruise control .... :confused:

[REMillers]

Amen t3ase...

[ARunto]

Ok i've got a rental 2002 protege lx and it does have cruise. I'm gonna take a look at the cruise unit.

[ARunto]

you'll definitely need to remove the strut bar to get cruise to work as the mounting bracket for the stock LX cruise unit is on the pass strut area.

[RX-KEVIN]

just set the gas at wot and then your foot won't get tired and you will get there quickly
jk

[ping]

Hey Arunto - check the bottom of the strutbar - there's a mounting bracket (for cruise?) on mine...

[ARunto]

i'm gonna snap some pics today as soon as my battery recharges :)

[TheMAN]

to use the OEM stuff, you will need to replace the gas pedal in order to mount the cruise control cable that will be routed to it, add the necessary harness to install the cruise control module that will be installed in the passenger side kick pangel, use the control stalk and steering wheel trim off the P5, and the related vacuum hoses and brackets to install the cruise control actuator
If I was doing it, I would go aftermarket, BUT use the P5 control stalk to make it look clean

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

whoa, chill i was just playin about the weight hence the wink.

[ping]

I'm thinking aftermarket unit but maybe with OE actuator under the hood and (if at all possible) the steering-wheel mounted controls off a P5. We'll see when I have more time (or when I get back from this weekend's 5 hour trip w/o cruise to Summit Point to watch the Jefferson 500...)

Most cruise actuators are vacuum operated... with a turbo (positive manifold pressure sometimes), can we still use vacuum operated units if we have a "vacuum reservior", or are we looking at getting an electrical actuator (spendier)... ?

[MSP Pro]

Rostra makes an electrical unit that would work, their Global Cruise. They also make a vacuum unit, but you need to find a vacuum accumulator to tap into and the control box is then inside the car. Their electrical unit is complete in the one box under the hood. You can download their installation manuals from their web site. I haven't figured out how I'd attach the cruise cable to the present throttle cable bracket underhood. It's tight there. Maybe take the cruise cable inside and rig something up on the upper portion of the accelerator??? Anyone have any other ideas?

[TheMAN]

to use the OEM actuator, you might as well go with the full OEM setup, because it hooks onto the OEM gas pedal

[ping]

I've seen other CC installs where the actuator hooks SEPARATELY directly to the throttle body - opening the throttle with the actuator simply opens the throttle with a pull-rod, "taking over" for the gas-pedal cable, so to speak. Mashing the gas pedal then opens the throttle and "pushes" on the pull-rod, which is no problem as the TB linkage rod simply slides up the rod.

Simpler to see than to describe, I'd show a pic but but I sold the Nissan that had this setup (yes it was a Quest minivan, it ran 168kmiles under my care, and hey, no crude comments, respect your elders I'm older than you!)

I'll have to take a look at the stocker and the MSP and see what I can do. Just got back from a weekend with 9 hours of highway driving - the driving was GREAT but would've been SO much better with cruise...

[02.5 P5]

anyone ever come to any conclusions on this, i would love to have cruise on the MSP i just bought........

[jrodhotrod]

yeah, wondering the same thing myself driving in caravans to LA is a prime candidate for cruise control.

[MSP Pro]

I looked into adding steering wheel mounted cruise controls by using the stock "clock spring" wiring from the LX model. After chasing around all day in junkyards, I realized it wouldn't work.

Which takes us back to the P5 stalk. Is this the replacement for our wiper control stalk on the right side? Anyone have a pic of it?

I've looked into the Rostra Global Cruise control, which prices out at about $250 without the control stalk. It looks like it has an appropriate adapter to work with the throttle plate. I'm still trying to get my wiring manuals for the car before buying one and installing it, however.

I will post a how-to when I get this all together, but it's going to be at least a month for me.

[QwikSRT4]

Originally posted by REMillers
But hey least it has power rear windows right...

You didn't think you could hide from me, did ya?? (upyours)

J/K bro.

[02.5 P5]

i am going by mazda on monday to see if they can tell me anything (probably not, i know, but just for posterity sake).
will let you know what i find out.

[MikeyG_U2]

I'm interested in what you find out 02.5 P5, keep me posted!

[Imissmy3rdgen7]

Anyone w/ CC ever maxed it out.....I know my friend's altima won't set higher that 95 mph. i set my old 7 w/ CC at about 120 :D

[Imissmy3rdgen7]

Anyone w/ CC ever maxed it out.....I know my friend's altima won't set higher that 95 mph. i set my old 7 w/ CC at about 120 :D pretty damn scary too


repost sry...I pushed stop

[02.5 P5]

went by the dealership today, here is what the service manager told me,
no there is not a kit or a way that they can install a CC unit from mazda.
and, even if you can find an aftermarket kit, which he did not suggest, he said it would probably mess up the computer because that is how the unit would have to be wired in so that it will work.

the question:
does anyone think he know what he is talking about, or is he just not wanting to mess with it?

[girth]

Sounds to me like yet another dealer doesn't know WTF he's talking about. I haven't installed cruise yet on mine, but I plan to eventually.

[02.5 P5]

whoever decides to do this first, please let me know. i would love to have cruise control, but don't want mess anything up.

[02.5 P5]

would having a supercharger on a car provide the same problem as the turbo concerning the cruise control?

[alexlitov]

being turbo or supercharged doesn't have to do anything with CC. Mazda tried to go more sportier by saving weight and money

[OrngSpd03]

Cruse control does not add a noticable amount of weight to your car. I dont think Weight was the issue when mazda decided not to put cruse on the msp. I think they werer right about the strut bar being in the way of the system.

I did just talk to a friend that put a Electronic kit on his nissan se-r. he got it from jcw.com he said it worked fine. Stil don't know if it will work on the msp. I'll have to take a look at it next time he is in town.

[alexlitov]

I said weight and money. To make the car more profitable they had to cut down on things. That's why neon has manual windows in the back, but has CC.

[ping]

Cruise will have the same issues with supercharged and turbocharged cars - the actuator has to be an electronic one, not a vacuum-operated one, because our cars run at positive manifold pressure sometimes (even during "normal" highway driving, say, when climbing a hill) and so a vacuum-operated servo would probably not work.

Dealer was not telling the complete truth - a cruise control can be added without tapping into the car's electrical system at all except for getting 12V to operate the unit itself - you can use a magnetic pickup on one of the driveshafts to get the speed signal, run separate "off switches" to cancel CC when thye clutch or brake is depressed, and have a standalone system. JC Whitney sells such a system for about $240, you put it in - don't knnow if that one takes the speed signal from the car or by itself, but I'm sure it'd be a pretty straightforward mod to get a standalone. I'm going to try it next summer (have other priorities right now).

I'm sure some of the shops that do car stereo installs would be able to offer something, check around!

-L

[slowhand]

check dakota digital for a electronic cc.

[PJTSpeed]

I had CC installed when I bought my Speed. Cost something like $150. The dealer couldn't do it, they sent it to a shop, took about a day. The CC works great and is much cheaper than a ticket.

[02.5 P5]

PJTSpeed, do you know what brand of CC unit they installed?
i would really like to get one soon.

[PJTSpeed]

I'm not sure what brand it is... No name or markings on the cruise control stalk. Now that I think about it I think the price was more around $250. Just do a search for cruise control at http://jcwhitney.com What I have looks like the second one on the results page except for it is its own separate stalk.
I'm not sure whether it's a vacuum or electric servo on mine. I haven't even took a look at what they did, no time right now for other mods...
Any place that installs aftermarket accessories i.e. sun roofs, lights, etc... should be able to hook you up or sell you the parts.
I'll post a picture if I get time during lunch.

[PJTSpeed]

Here's Pic 1

[PJTSpeed]

Here's Pic 2... Hope this helps...

[funnylittlman]

That's WAY cool

Me likey :D

[Heathen23]

PJTSpeed-

What shop in Raleigh did the work? Where did you buy your speed? And welcome to the forum! If you see a black MSP in town, Tinted, w/ red cali's then you know it's me;)

[PJTSpeed]

Heathen23-

I'm not sure which shop... the salesman said: "We take 'em to someplace off of Capital Boulevard..." My wife wouldn't let me buy it if it didn't have cruise--problem solved. I bought it at Capital of Cary... You?

[02.5 P5]

would you mind taking a pic of the unit under the hood so i can see where and how they mounted it. i would really appreiciate it .
thanks

[Heathen23]

I'm not sure which shop... the salesman said: "We take 'em to someplace off of Capital Boulevard..." My wife wouldn't let me buy it if it didn't have cruise--problem solved. I bought it at Capital of Cary... You?

Al Smith Mazda here. I know which shop it went to if it was for CC on capital. I can't think of the name but it's pretty far north on Capital/ US1. I have bought power window units and the like there before. They do so-so work from what I can tell but your CC looks like it will do the job.

If you don't mind my asking, what kind of price did you pay for the unit and install through the dealer?

p.s. There is a meet in Greensboro this weekend if you are interested in meeting many mazda owners and seeing there pro's. It's at a park so it should be a good time.

[PJTSpeed]

02.5 P5 - I'll see what I can do for you about the underhood picture...

Heathen23 - I'm pretty sure $250 for the parts and install... I had them do it before I took delivery so if warranty issues arrise i can make THEM eat it. Also, outta' town this weekend, can't make the Greensboro thing. Thanks anyways though.

[Heathen23]

Heathen23 - I'm pretty sure $250 for the parts and install... I had them do it before I took delivery so if warranty issues arrise i can make THEM eat it. Also, outta' town this weekend, can't make the Greensboro thing. Thanks anyways though

That's a very reasonable price if you are happy with the function. Thanks for the input.

No problem about the meet, I just wanted to make sure you knew about it considering it looks to be a good one.

Good thinking on the warranty. I've been there before with aftermarket additions through the dealer and got screwed over.

If you ever want to meet up or have a MSP question that you need someone local for feel free to PM me.

Enjoy your new ride!

[Stormtrooper77]

Is there a bracket on the steering wheel where you could mount the OEM controls from another Protege or Mazda? I just think the lever style is really ugly and old-school. Like something you'd find on an older Olds.

[Ezeikiel]

I had the rostra cc put on my msp. they have a battery powered switch that clips on the side of the steering wheel. Actuator is rostra #250-1223, switch is #250-1588. I had a local shop install it for me so i don't know about the install, but it works just as well as any factory cruise. Dont have a pic of mine, but below is the switch on an insight.

[Stormtrooper77]

Do they have a website?

[I-Am-Chris]

yeah try driving 1200 miles to MN! Didnt the MP3's have CC? They might not have included it for fitment issues or driving issues. Some of my friends running aftermarket turbo kits had to remove theirs, of course it was on different cars.

[TheMAN]

as I said before... the P5 shit bolts right on

Originally posted by Stormtrooper77
Is there a bracket on the steering wheel where you could mount the OEM controls from another Protege or Mazda? I just think the lever style is really ugly and old-school. Like something you'd find on an older Olds.

[slug420]

hm

[Stormtrooper77]

So you could go and purchase a P5 Cruise unit and install it? Steering controls and all?

[02.5 P5]

no, i think what he is saying, correct me if i am wrong, is that you should use the steering wheel control part of the system so that it will look factory with an aftermarket unit that is electric operated, not vacuum operated. hope this helps. later
can't have vacuum because of the boost...

[Stormtrooper77]

Gotcha.

[Stormtrooper77]

PJTSpeed: Does the cruise light come on in the cluster when the cruise is activated?

Anyone else know? Or is the bulb socket empty? I didn't look the last time I had it apart.

[YellowSpeed1229]

so is there a way to make one work?

[Stormtrooper77]

Yes. It's actually posted in this thread by PJTSpeed.

[YellowSpeed1229]

i just saw that.. my bad. i missed it

[xxxcool21]

bump...wanting some cruise, sick of this 1200 mile drive to Indiana from Florida with no cruise

[Dreeza]

Originally posted by xxxcool21
bump...wanting some cruise, sick of this 1200 mile drive to Indiana from Florida with no cruise

pshh...take mine, i dont use it EVER

[02.5 P5]

i will take your CC if you are giving it away...

[Dreeza]

Originally posted by 02.5 P5
i will take your CC if you are giving it away...


u can buy it off me...

would that actually work? i have no clue.... i would so sell it though

[02.5 P5]

actually, the only thing i could use would be the control on the steering wheel, everything else is different, i think. i know the actuator is, its electric.

[02.5 P5]

i might be able to use the cable setup as well off of the Throttle body..

[Dreeza]

Originally posted by 02.5 P5
i might be able to use the cable setup as well off of the Throttle body..

ok, honestly, if it doesnt fuck up my car...ill sell it (depending on how much u are offerin) cause id rather have some extra moolah to spend on my car

PM me if u are seriously wanting that stuff

[02.5 P5]

i tell you what, let me do a little research to see what i could exactly use from your car and what else i would have to come up with to make this work on mine and i will shoot you a PM with an offer.
thanks,
erick

[Dreeza]

Originally posted by 02.5 P5
i tell you what, let me do a little research to see what i could exactly use from your <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> and what else i would have to come up with to make this work on mine and i will shoot you a PM with an offer.
thanks,
erick

sounds good!

[DSMConvert]

subscribing for under the hood pics from pj....def interesting info....

[Kooldino]

I wish I had cc and a sun roof. Little Beavis has both, and both are aftermarket. Maybe he could chime in here?

[carbonkid]

I wish I had cc and a sun roof. Little Beavis has both, and both are aftermarket. Maybe he could chime in here?
I too would LOVE to add CC to my MSP!! I would only use the OEM steering wheel mounted switch, if there was a way to make it work with an electric aftermarket unit. Anyone try this yet?

[ping]

...turns out you can probably use a vacuum operated unit if it has a check valve...

JCW.com for under $150.

I'm putting it on as soon as I can, but probably not before February (moving to Pittsburgh takes priority...)

[carbonkid]

Let us know if you do!!!



...turns out you can probably use a vacuum operated unit if it has a check valve...

JCW.com for under $150.

I'm putting it on as soon as I can, but probably not before February (moving to Pittsburgh takes priority...)

[vindication]

I might sell my cruise control. If someone tells me what exactly I have to do and if it will fuck with the ECU or something that'll make the car run funny I might sell it. Every part including the command stalk for the CC.

[BlazingSpeed]

I had a CC added to my MSP last June. I had it done at Dealer Automotive Service in MN. It cost close to 300 installed. Install took close to three hours. I too have a second stalk. It works great and I am happy to have it on my long drives.

[JHew84]

subscribing for more updates, and pictures... the 800 mile drive from NC to MI is enough to make me want cruise, more so for the fact that it is WAY to easy to creep well above 80 mph and not even know it in these cars, i'd like to be able to set it at a speed, and leave it alone...

[kimosabe]

I have cc, but then again my car is a conversion msp. Its pretty sweet to have a msp with a sun/moon roof, havent seen any others around.