View Full Version : Stalling: HUGE Safety Concern
Okay gang, please don't flame me for opening a new Thread, but I thought the potential safety issues warrented it.
I initially posted that my MSP was stalling. My dealership said MCI (Mazda Canada) is apparently working on a onboard computer software update. When it's complete, the car's computer is going to get re-flashed to hopefully rectify the stalling. I'm running BONE stock, BTW.
That was a month ago...still no update from my dealership as for an ETA. :wtf:
Here's the issue. Initally it was stalling when ideling, say at a redlight. Now, my car has been stalling at "half-decent speeds" - 60 - 70 km's/hr. So tell me this, what happens when say, I'm going around a corner and my car stalls, and I lose the power steering and ABS. Do I (A) collide head on with the oncoming traffic? or (B) Slam on my breaks and get rear-ended?
Who else has had stalling occuring at driving speeds?
If this problem is not fixed, MCI is going to have 1 more Orange MSP to sell.
funnylittlman
05-14-2003, 06:16 PM
There are a lot whom have stalled (it's the ecu issue, you're correct)
Check out the poll for the stubling by ping (this is related)
Limited Edition
05-14-2003, 06:37 PM
My car has NEVER stalled during driving, but there were times when the idle drops dramatically at idle/ traffic light and i'm very close to a stall situation.
This usually occurs when i have the stereo up loud, perhaps it's drawing a lot of current that leads to this situation. Poor alternator? You tell me...
Dexter
05-14-2003, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by Limited Edition
My car has NEVER stalled during driving, but there were times when the idle drops dramatically at idle/ traffic light and i'm very close to a stall situation.
This usually occurs when i have the stereo up loud, perhaps it's drawing a lot of current that leads to this situation. Poor alternator? You tell me...
yeah thats happened to me too, but with the stereo down too. its also happened in my moms ES. i think its just a general Protege issue :(
seatown.P5
05-14-2003, 06:45 PM
Ditto, has happened a couple times in the 2 months I've had my P5.
AFaceInTheCrowd
05-14-2003, 07:19 PM
damn, it seems i am one of the few with relatively NO problems. i have never had a stall issue.
Grimace
05-14-2003, 08:45 PM
Me too. Well, once. But it was my fault. It was one steeeeeeep hill.
Sixmil
05-14-2003, 08:54 PM
lol....damn hills!
I have the idling issue as well, with or without the stereo bumping. I havent stalled yet, but it always seems close. I replaced the airbox with a cone filter almost right after I got it, so maybe that helped it out a bit.
-Six
Originally posted by Grimace
Me too. Well, once. But it was my fault. It was one steeeeeeep hill.
03SpeedLSD
05-14-2003, 08:56 PM
One suggestion for MSP owners, and it might be true for P5's too, is that the cooling fan/intercooler fan blows hot air right at the intake. My MSP use to stumble at redlights and when just sitting in the garage. The fan kicks on and blows nothing but hot air for the intake to suck up...Later,
Daemos
05-14-2003, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by 03SpeedLSD
One suggestion for MSP owners, and it might be true for P5's too, is that the cooling fan/intercooler fan blows hot air right at the intake. My MSP use to stumble at redlights and when just sitting in the garage. The fan kicks on and blows nothing but hot air for the intake to suck up...Later,
What relevance would that have? Last time I checked hot air doesn't cause an engine to stall. Sounds bad. Get the stealership to fix it ASAP. Oh yea, although I don't own a MSP, I would like to try to help you get this fixed No. 5, that's not cool, just stalling around a corner :/
Maybe get a 2nd opinion, get it checked out by Jackson Autosport see what they have to say.
btw what is MCI?
Hey! I read this post today and I just had the same problem happen today! I was taking a turn into my place and i turned hard, and my car just completely stalled out on me in mid turn! Everything died and i lost my power steering! I would have crashed into the curb if i didnt slam on the brakes! What would happen if i did this on the highway with cars behind me. You are rign No.5, this is a serious saftey issue! Someonecould get really hurt. This needs to be addressed pronto...I mean clunk is annoying, and stalling at idle is bad, but when you take a hard turn at 50mph and your car dies in mid-turn ...thats a serious safety issue.
I just taked to someone who owned an MX6, he said that his car was stalling on the turns as well, and he said that it was a problem with the fuel tank, in a hard turn , the fuel would slosh and the injectors would get starved and cause the engine to stall. He said they put something inside the tank to prevent this, and it worked like a charm. Just though id throw this out there, either way, im talkin to the dealer this weekend about this.
ForceFed
05-14-2003, 11:30 PM
My car too,also had the stall issue!It would stall on me when I put it into nuetral to come to a stop!It did it quite a few times on the first motor in the first 2K mi. but has not done it since?It was still winter then so it was COLD!So I don't know if that was relevent to the fan blowing hot air issue???But that doesn't seem to be the issue I had with mine.I took it to the dealer for this prob and go figure,THEY COULDN"T DUPLICATE IT so they flat out said there was no problem!:bs: There is a prob with this and the stumble issue that mazda MUST address!If they don't come up with sme sort of ansewr ,I might be less a MAZDASPEED!
Matt:cool:
arkitek
05-14-2003, 11:34 PM
Happened to me 3-4 times already ever since I installed the K&N filter. Funny really. It stalled with this female in the car once and I explained to her that it's a problem with this car. Then she thinking, "Yeah yeah! Really, it's ok for a guy to stall going green! Don't have to make something up for it!"....I'm like.."No really! It's really a problem with this car..... blah...whatever!"
im goin to the dealer tomorrow, ill give you guys an update on what they tell me.....i mean, this is serious, someone could really get hurt, it makes me not want to even take turns fast anymore, cuz im worried it'll stall out on me, and f**kin crash into something or someone will crash into me, and takin the turns is why i biught the car in the first place!
OrangeMSP
05-15-2003, 12:07 AM
got gas? :p
Daemos
05-15-2003, 02:42 AM
wtf that sounds fishy a fuel tank issue? and if it's happened on MX6s WTF mazda?
The fuel tank maybe a cause, but I take alot of hard turns in my spec at really fast speeds, and my injectors don't get starved, neither do most cars.
Hmmm...Good luck you guys, I'll be rooting for ya!
TURBO3WAGON
05-15-2003, 09:41 AM
I’m glad to say I don’t have any stall issues, however I hate that stumbling hesitation! The stall issue may be some sort of VAC leak. Set up a poll so that we can find out how many Speeds are suffering from this problem. Take it to Mazda! Start sending them e-mails with complaints and cross your fingers. Who knows It may be an easy fix.
(bow) (mspb) (sad2)
Originally posted by eddy
im goin to the dealer tomorrow, ill give you guys an update on what they tell me.....i mean, this is serious, someone could really get hurt, it makes me not want to even take turns fast anymore, cuz im worried it'll stall out on me, and f**kin crash into something or someone will crash into me, and takin the turns is why i biught the car in the first place!
Eddy, please give me the update as soon as you can.
If this is happening to enough people, then I'll pursue the angle of contacting management at Mazda, and cut my dealership out of the picture. This is serious. Yes the clunk is friggen annoying (and is Temporarily fixed with the new D bushings (Part#BN7H28156D)), but this issue is in a completely different league. And yes, a worst case scenario could happen.
And, BTW, this is not an issue with driver ability - it's the car.
you're damn right its in a completely different league..i'm genuinely concerned...we need to figure out if we can duplicate this problem regularly so that we can show the dealers and test to see if thy fixed it or not...all i can say is that it has happened to me twice and both times i had driven it pretty hard and then shortly thereafter, it would stall. No.5, Ill let you know what happens when i go to the dealership, and I'll try andset up a poll here to figure out just how many people have this.....
A warning to every MSP owner! Be careful when you drive, this problem may not be happening to you now, but it may in the future, dont let anybody ride up on your a$$ cuz if you stall, for sure theyll run into you!
Time to go ride in my stalling deathtrap! :)
Originally posted by eddy
you're damn right its in a completely different league..i'm genuinely concerned...we need to figure out if we can duplicate this problem regularly so that we can show the dealers and test to see if thy fixed it or not...all i can say is that it has happened to me twice and both times i had driven it pretty hard and then shortly thereafter, it would stall. No.5, Ill let you know what happens when i go to the dealership, and I'll try andset up a poll here to figure out just how many people have this.....
A warning to every MSP owner! Be careful when you drive, this problem may not be happening to you now, but it may in the future, dont let anybody ride up on your a$$ cuz if you stall, for sure theyll run into you!
Time to go ride in my stalling deathtrap! :)
I haven't been able to duplicate it, and that's a bit of an issue in itself for servicing. Damn, it's stalled on me when I'm driving at normal speeds and not pushing the car to ANY extreme.
As much as I enjoy the car, I don't TRUST driving it due to this issue. And like anything in life, once the trust is broken, it's very hard to get it back. Even after I get a re-flash (when-ever that will be), I still won't trust the car for weeks, or even months after.
People may perceive me to be whinning or complaining, but honestly I'm not. When safety could be jeopardized, any person in their right mind would be concerned.
TURBO3WAGON
05-15-2003, 11:32 AM
TRUE! :rolleyes:
I hope my shit doesn't start doing that.
Mazda needs to give us a revamped engine with low compression pistons, 15psi of boost, an ECU that does what it should do, and a big apology!
(flame) (pissed) (rant) (bang)
I'm in the same boat as you guys are, I mean this is serious. I too have lost my confidence in the MSP. Unless they have a guarunteed fix for it, I dont know what to do. I guess I'tt be more of a thrill when I drive my car now, cuz I'll never know when I'll crash or not :)
DO you guys thnk that this is cause for the "Lemon Law" if it doesn't get fixed soon?
Daemos
05-15-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by eddy
I'm in the same boat as you guys are, I mean this is serious. I too have lost my confidence in the MSP. Unless they have a guarunteed fix for it, I dont know what to do. I guess I'tt be more of a thrill when I drive my car now, cuz I'll never know when I'll crash or not :)
DO you guys thnk that this is cause for the "Lemon Law" if it doesn't get fixed soon?
I don't think it would be warrented as a Lemon because Lemons are cars that break so many times within a certain amount of times. Each time being a diffrent case.
But I do believe that this should be a major recall. Hell even sentras are getting recalled on stuff like pre-cats burning up (causing bad smells, and fumes) and We got a pin on our exhaust that'll be removed as well because it COULD blow up.
I know though if I see No. 5 or anyone else in winnipeg on the road with a MSP, I'll besure to give LOTS of clearence.
But what exactly happens, like does it stall like a normal stall, which brings you to an abrupt halt, or is it just the engine shutting down, and everything shutting down, and you slowly slow down?
funnylittlman
05-15-2003, 02:02 PM
It happens when letting off the gas to shift gears (either up or downshifting) and in a turn.
it stalls like you just yanked the key out of the ignition while you are driving.
i think a recall is out of the question though, if its like what ed norton said in fight club..about how they asses whether its cheaper to pay the families of the people who died in the car accident or to recall them all.
BTW I will be checking in with the service dept. at the dealership on saturday, cuz too much stuff has come up at work for me to take anytime off..I hope I'll still be alive by then...
Also, does anyone know who or how to contact at mazda corporation to discuss these issues?
Originally posted by eddy
it stalls like you just yanked the key out of the ignition while you are driving.
i think a recall is out of the question though, if its like what ed norton said in fight club..about how they asses whether its cheaper to pay the families of the people who died in the car accident or to recall them all.
BTW I will be checking in with the service dept. at the dealership on saturday, cuz too much stuff has come up at work for me to take anytime off..I hope I'll still be alive by then...
Also, does anyone know who or how to contact at mazda corporation to discuss these issues?
Hmm, I hope your not right in your thinking :eek:
I just sent off a lengthy letter-email to my service manager (who inturn hopefully sends it to the Regional Rep). I've asked the Service manager to send me the Reg.Rep's contact #.
I refuse to drive this car. Waiting until Mazda has completed writing and tested an updated computer program is unfortunately not acceptable given the worst case scenario. Either I get a curtosy car until the fix is on my car, or they can take back the MSP.
Waiting to hear back as to how the delearship will handle this issue....I'll keep you all posted.
i appreciate that No.5...
I'll keep you and everyone else at the forum posted on what happens from my end. IMO I think this car right now is a deathtrap waiting to happen until this is fixed...they better fix this soon, or else we will be hearing someone on this forum has gotten seriously injured cuz of it.
Whats up w/ Mazda? They have to know about this and I hope they are working as hard as they can to get this corrected as soon as possible. :wtf:
TURBO3WAGON
05-16-2003, 09:42 AM
They spent enough to promote the crap out of this car, now they should put forth the same effort to correct these problems.
The funny thing is that despite all this crap, I still love my ride..
Originally posted by TURBO3WAGON
They spent enough to promote the crap out of this car, now they should put forth the same effort to correct these problems.
The funny thing is that despite all this crap, I still love my ride..
Don't get me wrong, it's been the best handling car I've ever owned. But ALL of the problems I've had with it far out weigh the "Zoom-Zoom-Fun-To-Drive-Factor".
true that No.5 , I love the car, but i hate worrying about it, I just wish we could consistently duplicate the problem to show the dealers what we mean. But saturday is tomorrow, so ill be at the dealer tomorrow, and hopefully they will give me some answer to this, at least an aknowledgment from Mazda that there is a problem and that they are fixing it. I'll let you guys know just as soon as i find out!
Originally posted by eddy
true that No.5 , I love the car, but i hate worrying about it, I just wish we could consistently duplicate the problem to show the dealers what we mean. But saturday is tomorrow, so ill be at the dealer tomorrow, and hopefully they will give me some answer to this, at least an aknowledgment from Mazda that there is a problem and that they are fixing it. I'll let you guys know just as soon as i find out!
I will be in contact with the Manager of Mazda's Information Centre Consultants this afternoon (in Canada).
keep asll of us posted....im sure whatever they tell you probably applies to the US as well..
Vicocola
05-16-2003, 02:50 PM
is there a requirement to qualify in the lemon law? like only for the first 10k miles... or first 5k?
Man, that is scarey shit. Imagine, high speed, freeway, highway whatever, have to make emergency manuevers, and poof....engine dies.
Or, it could even happen slowly....small kid jumps out in front of you, you loose power brakes, steering.....kid dies.
Or even silly things like stopping at a stop sign or light, and she dies.....no power brakes...you die from car running into you.... what if it's raining, snowing?
There is NO way in hell someone can try to say that this is not an huge safety concern.
Originally posted by newf
Man, that is scarey shit. Imagine, high speed, freeway, highway whatever, have to make emergency manuevers, and poof....engine dies.
Or, it could even happen slowly....small kid jumps out in front of you, you loose power brakes, steering.....kid dies.
Or even silly things like stopping at a stop sign or light, and she dies.....no power brakes...you die from car running into you.... what if it's raining, snowing?
There is NO way in hell someone can try to say that this is not an huge safety concern.
Exactly my point newf. Extactly my point.
Manager dude was supposed to call me back in 5 minutes...that was over 40 minutes ago. I'm in a holding pattern to hear what he says.
And, also if the car is in gear and it stalls, can you image the engine stress when it starts to screetch to a halt; plus the wear on the tires. Would this type of engine duress be covered under warranty?.
Just got off the phone with Mazda Canada. Unfortunatley I didn't speak to the manager since he was "always occupied" when I called. The person I did speak to said that an "investigation is underway", and I'll probably won't hear anything until Tuesday/Wednesday of next week; it's a long upcoming weekend here in Canada.
I don't wish to make public the entire conversation content, but needless to say I made my point re: safety. Whether it's going to be fully absorbed at the other end, remains to be seen.
So, yippy, a long weekend with an UNSAFE car until Mazda can figure out what's going on.
I encourage everyone who's encountered stalling with their car, to contact their Regional Reps/Dealership GM and make the issue known.
I can't help to feel like this is a start to YET another compaign; the first one ofocourse being the Clunk, which still hasn't seen a permanent fix.
N1XRR
05-16-2003, 04:13 PM
You guys telling me you can't drive a car without power steering or power brakes? What is your problem? I'm not trying to knock anyone here, but my FB didn't have power steering...and the brake booster line came off every once and a while. It wasn't a problem for me.
Originally posted by N1XRR
You guys telling me you can't drive a car without power steering or power brakes? What is your problem? I'm not trying to knock anyone here, but my FB didn't have power steering...and the brake booster line came off every once and a while. It wasn't a problem for me.
And your occupation is a "Problem-Resolution Analyst "?
Are you that naive?
N1XRR
05-16-2003, 04:18 PM
Actually, thats the technical name of it. Its just helpdesk work. I'm just trying to say, its not going to cause a major accident if your power steering and brakes fail. And as long as the engine is moving its still going to have vaccume, so the brakes will work.
REMillers
05-16-2003, 04:22 PM
It is still a concern to have a engine stall off in middle of traffic and not be able to get it started. Now does it render the whole car uncontrolable? Probably not, but still seriousely effects the car. And is something that should be address.
No matter how you look at it a car SHOULD NOT stall while driving. Even more so for a new car when it looks to relate to a faulty componant.
Originally posted by N1XRR
Actually, thats the technical name of it. Its just helpdesk work. I'm just trying to say, its not going to cause a major accident if your power steering and brakes fail. And as long as the engine is moving its still going to have vaccume, so the brakes will work.
So tell me Help-Boy, what happens when I'm driving and the car stalls, and I still have my foot on the gas. The breaks instantly lock-up. Do I get rear-ended? Do safety features such as air bags work?
TURBO3WAGON
05-16-2003, 04:26 PM
When did this stalling start to happening? I have close to 3k and and have not had that problem.
Geezer000
05-16-2003, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by No.5
So tell me Help-Boy, what happens when I'm driving and the car stalls, and I still have my foot on the gas. The breaks instantly lock-up. Do I get rear-ended? Do safety features such as air bags work?
If your brakes lock up when your engine stalls there's something seriosly wrong.....:p
OK guys, i can tellyou exactly what happened to me when this happened..first off my last car I had had no pwer steering, so i know how to drive with no power steering....I rounded a corner(pretty quickly too) and my engine dies, its as if you yank the keys right out, my sterring wheel actually locked up because i was already turning it when the engine died and so it actually locked and i couldnt move it at all! this has nothing to do with try to drive a car w/out power steering because the steering wheel actually completely locked up...so anyways, my engine died, steering locked up, but i had full control of the brakes, so i braked right before i was about to run into a curb!
the real safety issue is..that imagine if i was on the highway or making a turn with someone behind me...at first the engine would died and since initially there are no brakes applied when the engine dies and you come to a screeching halt cuz you are in gear, most people will take awhile realizing that you have stopped, b/c they are used to seeing brake lights...by the time you apply the brakes b/c you realize, "oh sh*t! my car died!" and by the time they realize, "oh sh*t! that guy is stopped on the road!" , they have already run into you at highway speeds...just try to imagine slamming on the brakes on the high way w/ no brakelights while someone is behind you...and youll understand my concern with this HUGE problem with the MSP!
On a side note, for those of you who have only glossed over this post, I will be seeing my dealer about this problem tomoorow, and update all of you.....
this problem has happened to enough of us on the forum, to warrent genuine concern for everyone here, like i said, it may not be happening to you know, but it could happen to you at any time...
Exactly.
I initally started this Thread to find out how many other MSP owners were encountering stalling as well, not to start a debate.
For those that feel a stalling car doesn't warrant to be classified as a safety issue, need not respond - it just causes the Thread to be way longer that needed with unwanted posts.
BUT, if you still decide to clutter this Thread and want to keep debating the issue, read this first:
California Judge Issues Decision Finding Ford Motor Company Hid Its Knowledge of Safety Concern In 1983-1995 Model Years Cars; Orders Recall and Restitution (http://www.cmht.com/casewatch/cases/cwtfi.htm)
For those MSP owners that HAVE NOT encountered any type of stalling, great - I hope it NEVER happens to you. But, if it does, since it's not an isolated case just for me, you know where to come...
Anyways, I should hear something from Mazda Canada by May 20th.
whoah...that ford recall sounds eirily familiar to our problem....
anyways, an update, i was unable to get an appointment for service at the dealer today, but i have one on monday morning hopefully ill find out some info then...ill keep you guys updated!!
lets hope i make it there in one piece!! (nuts)
N1XRR
05-17-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Geezer000
If your brakes lock up when your engine stalls there's something seriosly wrong.....:p
Thank you! I have done this several times in several different cars...your tires WILL NOT LOCK UP!!! Unless something is holding back the crank...
Sorry. Seems like a struck a nerve here. I was just trying to point out that this isn't a problem that will cause you to go flying thru traffic and hitting something. I do agree that it is a major problem that should be addressed though.
Daemos
05-17-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by No.5
Exactly.
I initally started this Thread to find out how many other MSP owners were encountering stalling as well, not to start a debate.
For those that feel a stalling car doesn't warrant to be classified as a safety issue, need not respond - it just causes the Thread to be way longer that needed with unwanted posts.
BUT, if you still decide to clutter this Thread and want to keep debating the issue, read this first:
California Judge Issues Decision Finding Ford Motor Company Hid Its Knowledge of Safety Concern In 1983-1995 Model Years Cars; Orders Recall and Restitution (http://www.cmht.com/casewatch/cases/cwtfi.htm)
For those MSP owners that HAVE NOT encountered any type of stalling, great - I hope it NEVER happens to you. But, if it does, since it's not an isolated case just for me, you know where to come...
Anyways, I should hear something from Mazda Canada by May 20th.
hopefully it won't take them 17 years to finally get a judge to order a recall :/
Dexter
05-17-2003, 10:59 PM
i really hope mazda determines the cause of this problem. i think its really just an issue of a bad of mistuned ECU/ airflow sensor. its probably more electrical/electronic than mechanical. its just really shitty :(
thankfully though i have almost 4k and no such issues and hope to never have them.
My car is currently at the dealership; they're running some diagnostics on it.
Mazda is aware of the problem, but haven't released an ETA for a Flash upgrade. Basically those MSP's that are stalling will simply have to wait until the Flash is sent to the Dealerships.
Regardless if your not experiencing stalling, perhaps look into getting the Flash update anyways when it arrives.
FrigginGLI
05-22-2003, 12:28 PM
Was not the mazdaspeed delayed way back in the beginning before it was released for a certain part, maybe it is that "part" that is causing the problem? I seriously think calloway did a piss poor job of making the protege turbo charged. The aftermarket kits are of much higher quality if you ask me.
z00mer
05-22-2003, 12:54 PM
I hope to GOD that Mazda gets this matter fixed and fast!!!:mad:
Just yesterday I was driving in downtown rush hour traffic(and if any of you are familiar w/ Las Vegas traffic....it SUCKS!!!) and nearly got turned into a permanent piece of Las Vegas`s growing junk yards!! You see....... the way this city designed it`s roads, if you want to get to the other side of the road, you have to do a "U-turn" to get there. As I was in the process of doing this, my damn MSP began to hesitate...and eventually stalled!!! And to top it off, I had a jackass barelling tward me in an Escalade nearly hit my ass!!! And in trying to get my ass moving again, I fucked-up my right front rim by eating curb(rant) !!!! This is the second time this hesitation crap happened!!! I just hope Mazda...or somebody finds a fix soon.
Okay, here's the latest....
According to what the Dealership/Mazda Canada told me, the Lead Engineer finally was able to truly diagnose the stalling as of last Friday, May 23. Now, like the clunk, they need to spend the time to properly produce a fix (plus test). It may be a combination of both upgraded parts and an updated Computer Flash.
There is no ETA for the fix, all we can do is "be patient" they said. :confused:
Due to the fact I contacted Mazda Canada directly and voiced my huge displeasure with the whole stalling experience, I'm apparently "red-flagged" to be the first to have the fix installed on my car.
So.....like usual, it's going to be a waiting game. I'm usually patient and realize things take time to fix, but I'm still uncomfortable not being able to atleast have a "forecasted-target-date".
I must admit though that my service manager at the Dealership has handled the situation good so far.
This is Good news No.5 ( short circuit fan are we???).
At least it's being addressed. I find that hardest thing to accomplish is getting someone to believe you from Mazda. Seems they are being a little easier to talk to this time. At least it didn't take you over a year to be taken seriously.
Congrats. We owe you dude.
I should add as well, isn't funny that two problems with the MSP, being hesitation, and stalling, all have to do with the ECU, which is the only major part of our car made by Ford.
Is this a sign of MAzda's to come?
Originally posted by newf
This is Good news No.5 ( short circuit fan are we???).
At least it's being addressed. I find that hardest thing to accomplish is getting someone to believe you from Mazda. Seems they are being a little easier to talk to this time. At least it didn't take you over a year to be taken seriously.
Congrats. We owe you dude.
Ah, just learning from your Clunk compaign. Initially after reading your entire post History, I was indeed concerned that it would take forever for them to atleast acknowledge it. I gather with my genuine safety concern, and "politically correct" verbal campaign, I actually got somewhere within Mazda corporate.
It also helped that the car did stall when my service manager drove it ;)
sorry bout the delay...i checked with my Mazda dealer and....to no surprise.....they couldnt find anything wrong...they gave me a number to call and i reported it to customer service at Mazda..and they said they would keep me updated...oh well, by the time they get back to me with a fix or issue a recall..i'll probably have gotten into a serious accident(god..i hope not).....lets just hope something gets done about this soon, if not, i'll have to just bite the bullet, lose thousands of dollars and get a new freakin car, just so i'll feel safe..but only time will tell, what happens with all of this..
Damn..I love and hate my MSP!:wtf:
Originally posted by eddy
sorry bout the delay...i checked with my Mazda dealer and....to no surprise.....they couldnt find anything wrong...they gave me a number to call and i reported it to customer service at Mazda..and they said they would keep me updated...oh well, by the time they get back to me with a fix or issue a recall..i'll probably have gotten into a serious accident(god..i hope not).....lets just hope something gets done about this soon, if not, i'll have to just bite the bullet, lose thousands of dollars and get a new freakin car, just so i'll feel safe..but only time will tell, what happens with all of this..
Damn..I love and hate my MSP!:wtf:
Actually when they ran the diagnostics on my car yesterday, all the results were fine. Then, the service manager took it for a boot and it stalled on him.
Anyways, Eddy, keep us in the loop - I'm interested how Mazda Canada and MazdaUSA will coordinate efforts on this one.
Can do No.5....man, I wish my car stalled when I was at the dealer so they wouldnt think i was crazy..I feel like the stalling due to the ECU is like the "blue screen of death" for Windows..you can't detect a problem with the computer, but it crashes none the less from time to time....
funnylittlman
05-23-2003, 12:52 PM
:mad: Oh I hate that screen :mad:
oliver2000
05-23-2003, 01:38 PM
Well if they do not fix it....lets email the law firm that went after Ford........A hungry law firm will take a class action suit just to collect fees from the loser....providing of course they believe they have a good chance of winning...
sounds good to me..but i wouldnt even know how to prove to anyone that we arent crazy.....but it sure is a thought..i'm definately with you if a lawsuit is neccessary....you've got some U.S. backup here!!!
Vicocola
05-23-2003, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by N1XRR
Thank you! I have done this several times in several different cars...your tires WILL NOT LOCK UP!!! Unless something is holding back the crank...
Sorry. Seems like a struck a nerve here. I was just trying to point out that this isn't a problem that will cause you to go flying thru traffic and hitting something. I do agree that it is a major problem that should be addressed though.
actually brakes dont lock up but TIRES DO LOCK UP... cant turn your steering wheel... all u can do is brake when it happens...
I wish to take my car to the shop to see if any problems also... but engine usually die on me only on uphill and rpm above 4000... and there's no hill within 5 miles of the dealership i bought my car in... so i guess i'll bring it in if it gets worse...
N1XRR
05-23-2003, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Vicocola
actually brakes dont lock up but TIRES DO LOCK UP... cant turn your steering wheel... all u can do is brake when it happens...
I wish to take my car to the shop to see if any problems also... but engine usually die on me only on uphill and rpm above 4000... and there's no hill within 5 miles of the dealership i bought my car in... so i guess i'll bring it in if it gets worse...
The ONLY way your tires will lock up when the car stalls is if there is something PHYSICALLY holding back the engine. That is, a peice of metal, or perhapse water, stopping the piston from going up and down. Or maybe the starter catching on the flywheel. Could be one of the accessories completely stopping and locked up. But if any of these things happen its not as simple as starting back up the car. If your tires are locking up when the car stalls, you have got a major, MAJOR problem with the car and it needs to be taken back to Mazda for a lot of repair.
Well, things have been pretty quiet, and quiet for a reason 'cause the dealership hasn't called.
Still no word from Mazda on an ETA for the fix.
If anyone hears different, please let me know.
funnylittlman
06-04-2003, 03:06 PM
BoostisGood said his dealer told him to expect a call in 2 weeks with the Rom ECU Flash upgrade direct from Mazda! :eek: !
This is US, though
I'm hoping it's a recall for Everyone, b/c if not, I'm driving up there!
TURBO3WAGON
06-04-2003, 03:09 PM
How long has it been there for?? I just left mine at the dealer today. That thing is driving me nuts! I can't drive it for another day the way it is.
Originally posted by funnylittlman
BoostisGood said his dealer told him to expect a call in 2 weeks with the Rom ECU Flash upgrade direct from Mazda! :eek: !
This is US, though
I'm hoping it's a recall for Everyone, b/c if not, I'm driving up there!
I can't believe it. Mazda Canada hasn't even contacted me to tell me anything. Not that I told them to, but I made it very clear I wanted to know ATLEAST an ETA. :wtf:
Either this Flash is indeed coming, or the delearship is dishing BootisGood a line of crap.
Vapor
06-04-2003, 03:22 PM
I had my first MSP for exactly 24 hours when it just shut down. I was going like 75 across a bridge (very flat) when it just turned off and the engine, oil, tranny, and abs lights came on. It had like 1/4 tank of the original gas from the dealer. Tried starting it periodically for over an hour while I waited for roadside assistance to show up and it never started.
The bastards at the dealership wanted to give me a rental car while they "fixed" it. But... uhhh.. NO. I freaked on them and they gave me a new one. Now I am glad I freaked... sounds like it is a somewhat common problem. Next time I go into that evil place I'll ask what they discovered, if anything, and post it here.
Not that any of this helps you fix your cars, just want you to know I shared your plight. I have had no problems with teh replacement so far...
Good luck
Vapor
fkmp5
06-04-2003, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Vapor
Next time I go into that evil place I'll ask what they discovered, if anything, and post it here.
what they discovered, probably, is that the next person who bought it either hasn't had the problem yet, or is just dealing with it.. more than likely the dealership put the car right back on the lot..
Originally posted by Vapor
I have had no problems with teh replacement so far...
Times ticking and it's not in your favour ;)
Stdjyhan99
06-04-2003, 04:17 PM
so when is this flash comin out??? I can't wait cause it's embarassing when someone test drives your car and stalls on them while driving it..... its pissin me off too
TURBO3WAGON
06-04-2003, 04:27 PM
Yep it's Embarrassing all right. You have to think twice before you race grandma in her Ford Pinto, she might take you if your speed is on the rag.
:wtf:
Originally posted by TURBO3WAGON
Yep it's Embarrassing all right. You have to think twice before you race grandma in her Ford Pinto, she might take you if your speed is on the rag.
:wtf:
(2thumbs)
I've yet to go out on "cruise-night" due to the embarassment of a stall.
Stdjyhan99
06-04-2003, 04:36 PM
so no one here know?
TURBO3WAGON
06-04-2003, 04:37 PM
:mad: FLASH ME!
(argh) FLASH ME!
(pissed) FLASH ME!
Especially if you have a nice set of these --> (boobs) (boobs)
Originally posted by TURBO3WAGON
:mad: FLASH ME!
(argh) FLASH ME!
(pissed) FLASH ME!
Especially if you have a nice set of these --> (boobs) (boobs)
LOL, that made my day!
Stdjyhan99 - dude read the posts. No one knows when it's coming. The unofficial word from a dealership in the US says 2 weeks. I haven't heard anything from Mazda Canada, and if this is anything the CLUNK, who the heck knows when it's going to be fixed.
SaaBaaDoo
06-04-2003, 05:50 PM
Here is my opinion....
I think that you guys on here that actually know how the hell to make stuff like hesitation and whatever other problems you are having go away....teach the mazdaspeed techs!!!
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