Passive arming alarm with turbo timer

[122 Vega]

Some people had questions on using the alarm with the turbo timer, here is one answer. If you remove the "brain" for the alarm and unscrew the back, you will see four "dip switches" at the bottom of the circuit board. These are 1-2 off, 3-4 on. Simply switch 2 to on and your alarm will passively arm 30 seconds after the ignition is turned off. With the turbo timer, just lock the doors manually as you leave the car and when it shuts off the alarm will arm itself 30 seconds later.

I can post pics if necessary. Only problem is that the alarm will arm itself with the door open and the passive feature cannot be bypassed using the valet switch like with most alarms. I am working on a solution for that.

Britt

[DevilsSi1481]

i think the Compustar alarms, well a certain one has a turbo timer/alarm set feature or so ive heard.

[Dexter]

nice find. perfect solution...its what im going to do. the "brain" is the one under the steering wheel and such, correct? or is there another brain somewhere else?

[OrangeAppeal]

Originally posted by Dexter
nice find. perfect solution...its what im going to do. the "brain" is the one under the steering wheel and such, correct? or is there another brain somewhere else?

Yep...that's the brain.

Dex...I see a normal avatar for you today....does this mean something you haven't told us yet (or did I just miss that)? Did you get your car back? If soo, how is the work that was done?

[JMS'sMSP]

Originally posted by 122 Vega

I can post pics if necessary. Only problem is that the alarm will arm itself with the door open and the passive feature cannot be bypassed using the valet switch like with most alarms. I am working on a solution for that.

Britt

What is the valet switch??

[stepson]

Thats an awesome tip, thanks Vega! I knew there had to be a way to do it ... What does the first dip switch control?

[Aaron]

thanks for the tip that answered my question

[Dexter]

Originally posted by OrangeAppeal


Yep...that's the brain.

Dex...I see a normal avatar for you today....does this mean something you haven't told us yet (or did I just miss that)? Did you get your car back? If soo, how is the work that was done?

no, i didnt get the car back yet, but it doesnt look like a pile of shit anymore. its all painted and it needs glass now, and for them to make sure its all aligned and shit like that. so sometime next week ill have it back. ill be sure to post 100s of pics :D

[slseale]

Ok during lunch I set the 2 dip to on and tested turning on the number 1 dip, which from what I could see only activated the horn when you turn the alarm on and off.

[slseale]

Opps forgot this, when passive arming of the system the only thing that will happen is the engine cutoff. To turn the car on using the valet switch: 1) try to start car 2) turn key off 3) turn key to accsesory and press the valet switch. The valet switch is located under the dash a few inchs above the hood release handle.

[Ryan]

OKay yeah post pictures of exactly what you talking abou ti just installed my turbo timer today has me kinda worried htat somone could roll off with my car, but i tested it, they can only drive it till the timer is done counting down. onces its counting down the car dies

[OrangeAppeal]

Originally posted by Ryan
OKay yeah post pictures of exactly what you talking abou ti just installed my turbo timer today has me kinda worried htat somone could roll off with my car, but i tested it, they can only drive it till the timer is done counting down. onces its counting down the car dies

Why did you not hook up the e-brake engine cut wire? If you connected that wire, then as soon as you release the e-brake your engine should cut out and timer turn off. Then they (potential theif) wouldn't even be able to leave the parking spot unless they drove with the e-brake engaged.

[Ryan]

becuz the ebrake is all mechanical that wire doenst work even if its hooked up from what ive been told :)

[Ryan]

not in the msp anyways, i-am-chris i believe was the one that sent me a pm telling me the ebrake wouldn't work in our car. if it does pls correct me and i'll go put it on.

[slseale]

No the e-brake will work, just pull off the plastic around the e-brake, and you will see the wire that you can splice into. I have mine installed and works properly.

[OrangeAppeal]

Originally posted by Ryan
not in the msp anyways, i-am-chris i believe was the one that sent me a pm telling me the ebrake wouldn't work in our car. if it does pls correct me and i'll go put it on.

I have the Blitz Turbo Timer, and that came with a e-brake engine cut wire and it works fine on my car...I'd try it before you completely leave it off.

[Dexter]

youve been told wrong then

[Ryan]

okay hrm.. i was told that wire didn't have hte correct voltage dayumit i thought i was done guess not be back when i finish.

[slseale]

i have the apexi auto timer, and it did work for me, i am not sure about the other timers in the market

[JMS'sMSP]

I was the one that told you that Ryan. I thought because the greddy book says it needs a voltage signal from that switch it wouldnt work. To me it looks like that wire just grounds out next to the handle on some kind of spring loaded switch. Since the book said it would need voltage not a ground, I figured that it wouldnt work.

But if people have it wired up and it works I guess it needs a ground not voltage.

I will need to wire that up as well.

[Ryan]

pin 58 is the speed wire for the greddy full auto turbo timer correct? the wire is yellow with a blue or green line well on my msp the wire in 58 point is yellow with a blue or green line is that correct, i dont wanna do this unless i know for a fact.

[Ryan]

okay so back to the major question can you get us some pics and maybe a how to on fixing that alarm to auto arm after the car cuts off?

[Dexter]

Originally posted by Ryan
okay so back to the major question can you get us some pics and maybe a how to on fixing that alarm to auto arm after the car cuts off?

Orignally posted by 122 Vega
If you remove the "brain" for the alarm and unscrew the back, you will see four "dip switches" at the bottom of the circuit board. These are 1-2 off, 3-4 on. Simply switch 2 to on and your alarm will passively arm 30 seconds after the ignition is turned off. With the turbo timer, just lock the doors manually as you leave the car and when it shuts off the alarm will arm itself 30 seconds later.

he couldnt have explained it any better, imho

[Ryan]

no shit but its alot different when you get ther eand to see what he's actually talking about cuz there is alot of shit under that colum. does he mean the hting thats has a white pull tie wrapped around it or does he mean the black box with what looks to be a nob you can adjust, you cant be sure unless you see what he's atalking about. so a picutre would help to know what it is exactly im looking for.

[2K3 MSP]

So what would happen if I were to arm the alarm with the remote(if I switched to the passive arming)??

[Ryan]

i think it all works as normal just if the ignition is cut off the will automatically arm the car in 30 seconds. but im not sure, i just wanna know what box he's talking about to be sure im takign out the right thing :\

[Dexter]

ryan man....reading your posts is fun as hell because it sounds like you are on speed or something :D :D

[Ryan]

LOL, i have a.d.d. short attention span in otherwords i jump from subject to subject without warning ;)

[OrangeAppeal]

Originally posted by JMS'sMSP
I was the one that told you that Ryan. I thought because the greddy book says it needs a voltage signal from that switch it wouldnt work. To me it looks like that wire just grounds out next to the handle on some kind of spring loaded switch. Since the book said it would need voltage not a ground, I figured that it wouldnt work.

But if people have it wired up and it works I guess it needs a ground not voltage.

I will need to wire that up as well.

Actually, that wire works as follows....it completes a circuit when the e-brake handle is released and reads 12v. When the e-brake is engaged, there is no voltage. Soo, that wire is reading 12v and turns off the turbo timer, which in turn kills the engine.

Me and my friend tested this wire with a multimeter, and that is in fact what happens

[122 Vega]

Here's pics of the outside of the alarm brain. It has a giant label on it that says: Mazda Vehicle Security Systems. The little black box with the knob on it is the shock sensor.

[122 Vega]

And the dip switches.

#1. does allow the horn to "toot" for a split second, rather quietly when the alarm is armed or disarmed.

#2. is for passive arming, but seems to arm the sensors selectively, i.e. not all the sensors all the time -- working on this one.

#3 & #4 working on these too, one is probably alarm duration, how long the horn honks after being triggered, 30 sec or 60 sec, but my neigbors don't like that test.

I will have these figured out soon,

Britt

[122 Vega]

Double post.

[Ryan]

so vega this box is located under the steering wheel or were is this box located? sorry im a bit confused now :(

[t3ase]

Under the steering wheel..

[Ryan]

okay hold up, i pulled the plastic peice under the sterring wheel looking around i dont see that box anywhere, is it under the steering colum? like were the harness to wire the turbo timer is?

[t3ase]

Loot for a tiny white knob attached to a box. It should be visible. There's also a red LED on the box, just start tapping on things and it may light up. ;P

[Ryan]

thats the shock sensor man, he's talking about the brain of the alarm system :) not the same thing.

[t3ase]

That *is* the brain, if I'm not mistaken.

[122 Vega]

look to the left, above the fuse box, left of the clutch pedal assembly. It's pretty big, you should see it right away. Look at the first pic I posted, it is obviously not the tiny shock sensor. It is about 8"x6" with a giant white label on it.

Britt

[t3ase]

And I'm mistaken.

[JMS'sMSP]

I think it has a big freaking MAZDA sticker on it.

[Ryan]

yeah holy crap how the hell did you guy twist up like a pretzel to get up there man im a huge guy like 275 lb LOL and 6ft i like to never get up in there to cut the ties off the end to get it out. geezus. whatever you do DO NOT set switch one to on, its just freaking annoying it ur car will make a double beep when you use the remote to lock it. twick two does set the alarm not 30 seconds but one miniute after the ignition is off. vega if you could find out what 3 and 4 do that'd be sweet id like to change it to 30 seconds if possible, and just curious what the 4th one does. Thanks for the info now i can go on without worrying about my car being left on cuz of the ebrake adn then the alarm sets 1 min after tt shuts off. great info guys :)

[Vicocola]

lil bit off topic but it seems like its hella work just to get the alarm to cooperate with any turbo timer.... so if u get an aftermarket alarm system... do u have to go through the same thing too? or u can finally use a remote to lock the car while the TT cooling down the car?

[I-Am-Chris]

Originally posted by Ryan
not in the msp anyways, i-am-chris i believe was the one that sent me a pm telling me the ebrake wouldn't work in our car. if it does pls correct me and i'll go put it on.

no i just said i was lazy and havent hooked it up

[Ryan]

LOL chris it really wasn't that bad hooking up the three wires and the ebrake the pain in the ass is the ecu, everyoen is like oh yeah just pop off the foor bolts and take the floor pan off

[Ryan]

LOL chris it really wasn't that bad hooking up the three wires and the ebrake the pain in the ass is the ecu, everyoen is like oh yeah just pop off the foor bolts and take the floor pan off but what they dont tell ya is that the ecu is attached to the floor pan by 2 brackets they also fail to mention you cant flip it over to get to the bolts so you have to hold it up hope ur rachet is on the bolts to get them off its even worse trying to put it back together LOL. i just hope my profect b boost controller wont have to deal with the ecu.

another tip to make it easy, you can get these things in walmart in the automotive section called a line tap, basically its a clamp that goes over the wire cuts into the cover then you crimp this slider peice on the wire you want to splice into the line and instead it just slides onto the clamp kinda like a plug. it holds it nice and tight and works good, but it will only work on the e brake and the ecu wire 58 becuz those wires aren't as big of a guage wire as the ones under the steering colum. unless you could find larger line taps then that might work. i didn't see any tho.

goodluck getting it working chris its really not that bad and totally worth it once its all hooked up.

[MSP Pro]

Britt: Try disconnecting the horn and putting a 12V lamp in its place. Then the alarm just lights up the lamp. Quiet testing for the neighbors. :)

[JDM Sam]

that 2nd switch dont arm the alarm. it just makes the alarm LED blink. at least thats what happened when i tried to set off my alarm...

[JMS'sMSP]

Originally posted by JDM Sam
that 2nd switch dont arm the alarm. it just makes the alarm LED blink. at least thats what happened when i tried to set off my alarm...

How did you try to set it off. If you just manually unlock the doors it wont go off. You have to actually open the door with the alarm set. Or you could use your key on the trunk.

[Newf]

I think you should all go out and buy a compustar alarm system with the TT in it, and hook it up.....then tell me how you did it, take lots of pics too cause I gotta hook mine up when my speed gets here :)

[JDM Sam]

i shut the door and banged on the window and tried pullin on the rims didnt even make a sound

[blindfury37]

OK, I use to install alarms and several years ago I did one for a friend of mine who had a 86 Supra. He had a Greddy Full Auto Timer and a Viper 300 Plus Alarm. I haven't done one in a while but I will play around with my wiring next weekend when I get back from Cape May. There is a way to arm the alarm as normal even though the car is still counting down on the timer. I'll let everyone know as soon as I can.

[122 Vega]

I already posted that info earlier in another thread.

Britt

[tekkie]

Britt were you able to get the proximity sensor to engage in any way? right now I just flipped the switch 2 like you said. I have not tested the proximity but from what I read in this post it did not work correct?

[Ryan]

switch two does nothing but arm the alarm 1 min after the tt shuts the car off.

[122 Vega]

Read:

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17084&perpage=15&highlight=turbo%20timer&pagenumber=2 (http://)

Towards the bottom I offer another suggestion.

Britt

[122 Vega]

Never mind, can't get the link to work. Here it is:

"You really want to know how to do it?

1. Get a five pole single throw BOSCH relay.

2. Pin 87a goes to nothing

3. Pin 87 goes to the alarm's 12v ignition input

4. Pin 85 goes to ground

5. Pin 86 goes to 12v output of the Turbo Timer

6. Pin 30 goes to 12v switched ignition.

7. Then there is a wire that goes from the Turbo Timer output to the ignition, but it has to have a diode with the anode (not the cathode) towards the key side of the switch on the far side of the splice to the relay from the Turbo Timer's output.

Make sense?

Britt

As always, verify all connections with a DVM."

Britt


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[Ryan]

yeah you can do it that way if you like wiring stuff up, im fine with the second dipswitch im getting a better alarm in like 3 days so no biggy.

[RYuReady]

I know this is a super old thread, but it's better then starting a new one.

So I'm confused...

Does this second dipswitch thing actually arm the alarm 1 min after engine shuts off?

or

Does is only the alarm LED starting blink but the alarm is not armed?

[noclue119]

...
1. Get a five pole single throw BOSCH relay.

2. Pin 87a goes to nothing

3. Pin 87 goes to the alarm's 12v ignition input

4. Pin 85 goes to ground

5. Pin 86 goes to 12v output of the Turbo Timer

6. Pin 30 goes to 12v switched ignition....

Pin 85 needs to be going to the other side of the turbo timer. that way u don't ground your tt's igniation.

you know u can use a 4 pin for this too...

Also one other know make sure u get an amp that can hold at least 10 amps

[Ryan]

I know this is a super old thread, but it's better then starting a new one.

So I'm confused...

Does this second dipswitch thing actually arm the alarm 1 min after engine shuts off?

or

Does is only the alarm LED starting blink but the alarm is not armed?
the led will not start flashing and the alarm is not armed doing it this way... the only thing it does one min after the car shuts off is lock the doors.

from what i remember i got tired of it.. so i just waited the 30 - 1 min depending and killed the car and got out like normal.

[MSPRO]

I have mine TT hooked up and I have it set to 1 min. I usually shut it off and then get my purse and everything and whatever else I need out of the car and by that time its almost ready to shut off. All I do is use the lock button on the key-fob and it seems to activate the alarm. I still have the perimeter sensors and everything if I do it that way. I hear my car honk once and a while when one of the really loud honda's rolls by so I know its works. So unless you are going to be leaving the car on for like 5 mins or are to far away when it shuts off , it seems that the key-fob is the trick to making the alarm work.

[unwound]

talk about a blash from the past!

ok, this is my experience with the "dipswitch flip".

the car is only lockable with the lock button on the door panel. once the TT turns off the alarm "passively arms" after 30 seconds, meaning you will not hear it arm or see the lights flash. the LED on dash is blinking and you can use you transmitter to get in and out of the car. the only catch is that you have to start the car within 30 seconds or the alarm will arm itself again.

hope this helps clear stuff up, and give you new guys something to try.

[Dr.Sound]

Never mind, can't get the link to work. Here it is:

"You really want to know how to do it?

1. Get a five pole single throw BOSCH relay.

2. Pin 87a goes to nothing

3. Pin 87 goes to the alarm's 12v ignition input

4. Pin 85 goes to ground

5. Pin 86 goes to 12v output of the Turbo Timer

6. Pin 30 goes to 12v switched ignition.

7. Then there is a wire that goes from the Turbo Timer output to the ignition, but it has to have a diode with the anode (not the cathode) towards the key side of the switch on the far side of the splice to the relay from the Turbo Timer's output.

Make sense?

Britt

As always, verify all connections with a DVM."

Britt


__________________this DOES NOT WORK!
tried it.
tried other things too.
tried it with 2 guys that each had 10year experience with alarms.

mazda alarm will not work, it's too simple and needs a constant 12v to run, if the constant power is cut in any way, then it will not arm.

i dont want to go in too deep into this, but there is nothing you can do to make it work, sorry.

if someone makes it work then i will say i was wrong, but untill then...

[Dr.Sound]

there is on the other hand a way to make your car lock with remote while the TT is on.
i mean LOCK, not ARM.

it will lock the doors with remote, but not arm the alarm.

this is so that u dont have to press the switch on the door every time.

walk away, press the remote, and the doors will lock.

[krillin]

there is on the other hand a way to make your car lock with remote while the TT is on.
i mean LOCK, not ARM.

it will lock the doors with remote, but not arm the alarm.

this is so that u dont have to press the switch on the door every time.

walk away, press the remote, and the doors will lock.
you sure about that vic?

"hey vic, check this out!" :D

[Dr.Sound]

^ little punk! :D

[unwound]

this DOES NOT WORK!
tried it.
tried other things too.
tried it with 2 guys that each had 10year experience with alarms.

mazda alarm will not work, it's too simple and needs a constant 12v to run, if the constant power is cut in any way, then it will not arm.

i dont want to go in too deep into this, but there is nothing you can do to make it work, sorry.

if someone makes it work then i will say i was wrong, but untill then...
i am in no way an expert on alarms of any sort, but from my experience with the #2 dipswitch being flipped, it does immobilize the car.

i sat in my car at a gas station for about 5 mins after doing the flip wondering WTF happened to my car. finally after unsucessfully cranking the car numerous times i noticed the LED on the cluster cover blinking so i hit the unlock button on my remote and voila, car kicks over no problem. i did nothing more than turn off the car let timer run down and pump gas into tank get back in and try to start car.

as for the bosch relay idea, i agree i couldn't get it to work either

just my $.02

[122 Vega]

Yeah I already posted another thread that it didn't work. I apologized for it as well.

Britt

[DSM2MSP]

Not sure if this would work, but have you ever armed the alarm while a door was open? It alarms itself once the door is closed, so I would assume the alarm knows the door is closed by the switch on the door jamb (which in turns lights the indicator light on the gauge), so is it possible to hook up the TT to the door jamb so when the TT turns off it turns off the indicator light as well, thus arming the alarm?

[Dr.Sound]

^ dude, dont think our alarm is that smart.
our alarm looks at the dome light.

but it's a good idea.......i will try this on saturday.



P.S oh, and i have DG carbon fiber eyelids.......so should i delete my post?

[DSM2MSP]

I just thought about this but if the car was running i dont think the alarm would arm itself, so I dont think my idea would work out to be that simple. But im not sure how the alarm would react while the engine was running....can you guys actually arm the alarm or would it just not do anything at all?

[Dr.Sound]

not do anything at all

yeah, the idea doesnt work.

[Antihope]

Here's my solution. Everyone take up smoking. Park. Hop out. Shut door with engine running. Smoke. Turn off car. Problem solved. And it's only going to cost me about $20 a week and a pair of lungs. Well worth it IMO.

[DSM2MSP]

It could be possible to set up a relay to when the engine turns off/TT turns off it sends a signal to arm the alarm.

What kind of sensor arms the alarm with the key? Not the key fob but when you lock the doors on the outside with keyhole? If it could be possible to set up a relay so that when the TT turns off, its sends a signal to whatever that door look sensor thus arming the alarm.

[Dr.Sound]

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[Dr.Sound]

Here's my solution. Everyone take up smoking. Park. Hop out. Shut door with engine running. Smoke. Turn off car. Problem solved. And it's only going to cost me about $20 a week and a pair of lungs. Well worth it IMO.^ best solution so far

[goku4658]

is it safe to assume that nobody can arm their car, while the tt is counting down?

[Dr.Sound]

not that we know of.
i've been here for a while, and i've talked to people who have been here since the birth of MSP. noone knows of anyone who is able to arm their car while the TT is counting down.

[CommieSpeed]

I usually spend my TT time explaining to the other person in my car why I can't turn it off yet! I actually ended up making out with this girl in the MSP for a half hour because of the conversation that the waiting period sparked! Made me feel kind of stupid after putting mine in. Don't you think it is really sad that NOONE can solve this problem? I have seen like 3 threads for this and we all think it's solved by the end and then the solution ends up being bunk!!! WTF!!! CAN ANYONE HELP US!!! ANYONE WANT TO BUY A BLITZ DUAL TT DCII?!?!?!?!?!?! ARG!

[DSM2MSP]

You could always install a fuel pump cutoff switch under the driver seat and just lock your doors using the keys.

[noclue119]

DR sound is the Bosch a PBNC or PBNO?

Normally Open Or normally closed?

[CommieSpeed]

You could always install a fuel pump cutoff switch under the driver seat and just lock your doors using the keys.That doesn't seem irritating at all! :) hehehe

[CommieSpeed]

there is on the other hand a way to make your car lock with remote while the TT is on.
i mean LOCK, not ARM.

it will lock the doors with remote, but not arm the alarm.

this is so that u dont have to press the switch on the door every time.

walk away, press the remote, and the doors will lock.Are you referring to cutting the blue/white 12v wire that is in the keyless entry "thingy" in the rear dash panel? I just wanted to make sure that soing this sould not interfere with arming the alarm after the car is done TT-ing, while I am still around.

[DSM2MSP]

So does anyone know what the blue wire actually is for? I just think it would be stupid by cutting it not knowing what it is used for.

[RYuReady]

So does anyone know what the blue wire actually is for? I just think it would be stupid by cutting it not knowing what it is used for.
You can find the answer in the forum that talks about this:
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?t=46506

But here's the answer anywayz:
i think it is a saftey feature that shows 12v so you cant arm the alarm while the car is on. Or lock your keys in while the car is running if you use your spare set. I noticed this a while back because i usually leave my car on but arm the alarm on cold mornings when im getting a coffee or running into the convinence store, but with this car it would never let me.

[jurgs01]

If the alarm won't arm when the car is on then there is a wire with sense or 12V going to it telling it the car is on. And if there is that wire, then you can hook that up so when you turn off your key in your ignition, the ignition wire sends the signal to that wire on the alarm "tricking" it to thinking the car is off. I just have to check the voltage and whether it's 0 or 12V when the car is on/off. There is no reason to cut the wire unless you just want to trade one thing for another. After I get back from Vegas next week I will figure out the easiest way to do this and if it works i will post instructions and pics.

[Dr.Sound]

If the alarm won't arm when the car is on then there is a wire with sense or 12V going to it telling it the car is on. And if there is that wire, then you can hook that up so when you turn off your key in your ignition, the ignition wire sends the signal to that wire on the alarm "tricking" it to thinking the car is off. I just have to check the voltage and whether it's 0 or 12V when the car is on/off. There is no reason to cut the wire unless you just want to trade one thing for another. After I get back from Vegas next week I will figure out the easiest way to do this and if it works i will post instructions and pics.that does not work, trust me
but u are welcome to try.