Ultimate Racing's Preview

[PurelySwift]

Well, I've been doing my homework lately and upon bouncing around the RSX forum I found a link to the Ultimate Racing website. They make turbo kits and the like and are planning some sweet looking upgrades for the MSP. I don't own one yet, but in comparing the WRX, RSX, and MSP, upgrades like this are nice to know about.

here's the site:
http://www.ultimate-racing.com/Products/ProtegeIndex-US.shtml

[murdock_]

oo nice find, thanks.. wonder how long that will take anyone can say "products being developed" i want a date.. :)

[I-Am-Chris]

yeah i dropped them an email to see if i can get a date.

[BlackMSP]

GGOGOGOOGOGOGO!!

[03MzdSpdSTP]

but upgrading the Turbo..dont u need to upgrade the inturnals of the engine?

[Lawerence]

Cant it hold around 250whp?
if so you could probably get away with an upgraded turbo...but the internals will be taking a beating not to mention the tranny...

[low_psi]

Originally posted by Lawerence
Cant it hold around 250whp?
if so you could probably get away with an upgraded turbo...but the internals will be taking a beating not to mention the tranny...

its not how much hp it will hold, its how much boost will it hold.

[I-Am-Chris]

What???

[MSpeed]

if your shopping around then i suggest that you have a look at the 03 volkswagen GTI 1.8T

i did and after driving the msp i can honestly say that the gti is quicker... better overall quality as well from what i saw

[unwrittenLaw]

Aren't VW's now manufactured in Mexico?

[PurelySwift]

Thanks for the input on the VW but personally the only VW that I find even mildly appealing is the new 260hp Passat. The rest are either too ugly or too small for my perference. GTi is zippy, true, but not my style.

The main reason I like the Mazdaspeed Protege is the MSRP and the gas milage, plus it's dead sexy. $20k for an already turbod car that gets 24/30 city/highway sounds great to me. That's probably why I like the RSX is the MSRP and it's can't be befat 27/31 gas milage.

Ultimate Racing's turbo for the RSX looks cool too but expensive. I'm not quite sure how the Mazdaspeed can be turboed and only putting out 170hp and 160ft as listed? Seems a little low no?

[AGR]

Originally posted by PurelySwift
Thanks for the input on the VW but personally the only VW that I find even mildly appealing is the new 260hp Passat. The rest are either too ugly or too small for my perference. GTi is zippy, true, but not my style.

The main reason I like the Mazdaspeed Protege is the MSRP and the gas milage, plus it's dead sexy. $20k for an already turbod car that gets 24/30 city/highway sounds great to me. That's probably why I like the RSX is the MSRP and it's can't be befat 27/31 gas milage.

Ultimate Racing's turbo for the RSX looks cool too but expensive. I'm not quite sure how the Mazdaspeed can be turboed and only putting out 170hp and 160ft as listed? Seems a little low no?

One must realize, the 2.0 MAZDASPEED engine (developing 130hp), that is standard in the Protege ES and Protege 5, is the exact same engine in the MAZDASPEED. So; the 'little' T-25 Garrett Turbo adds an additional "40" horsepower. That's pretty sweet in my opinion. But; this is my first turbocharged car, and I am a little more easliy amused than some members here. (thumb)

[yashooa]

Originally posted by unwrittenLaw
Aren't VW's now manufactured in Mexico?

Yes, They are now as Mexican as fried rice.
Well many of them anyway.
Hey the original Beetles ended up being manufactured in Old Mekeeco as well.

[turboge]

It is also the same engine in the MP3, and the P5. Don't epect 250hp out of the stock ECU anytime soon.

[brennan]

The mazdaspeed has a different ecu to handle the turbo

[turboge]

Can you verify that? Looks the same to me...

[brennan]

i read it somewhere on this site, can't remember where though maybe forced induction section

[YP5 Toronto]

same "unit" different programming internally.

as for Ultimate Racing......everyone email them...they are more focused on the s2000 and RSX projects (understandably). If they get more interest in the the Protege platform, they will move it along more quickly.

I know these guys personally, and they are $hit! They truely know their stuff....plus they are Canadian!

[Aricjm15]

it is programed to use larger injectors
whoo hoo (pow)
and it MIGHT have a boost cut, but nobody really knows for sure

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

Originally posted by Aricjm15
it is programed to use larger injectors
whoo hoo (pow)
and it MIGHT have a boost cut, but nobody really knows for sure
someone needs to put their ass on the line and find out first hand... someone with balls, someone who can control a car going high speed without power steering and pump assisted braking... someone that's not me.

[Aricjm15]

there was one idiot that bought a boost controller for his MSP and was bragging about running it at 12 psi!!
he wanted to try 14psi but we convinced him that it would be a VERY dumb idea
I think he said he was just going to leave it at 9psi
but I cannot remember
we should have let him try 14 psi so we could all have had a good laugh

[I-Am-Chris]

Originally posted by Aricjm15
it is programed to use larger injectors
whoo hoo (pow) oh yeah and uses totally different fuel maps for boost and not go into to retard mode when it sees boost.

and it MIGHT have a boost cut, but nobody really knows for sure

No boost cut or if it is its really high which would be pointless. if the boost cut was at 12 psi then you would prob blow your motor anyways and that would take the whole point away from it. boost cut is usual set at about 4 psi above stock or less. I have hit 10.3 something trying to tune my boost controller and it did not cut it.


there was one idiot that bought a boost controller for his MSP and was bragging about running it at 12 psi!!
he wanted to try 14psi but we convinced him that it would be a VERY dumb idea
I think he said he was just going to leave it at 9psi but I cannot remember
we should have let him try 14 psi so we could all have had a good laugh
Yeah i got a good laugh out of that one

[YP5 Toronto]

its kinda scarry.....like giving a loaded gun to a child.... except in this scenario it would be a noobie to Forced Induction + MSP + an aftermarket boost controller.

"look what I can do....i can run 12 psi"

[turboge]

Just throw it on a dyno with a wideband and keep upping the boost until it shows signs of leaning out. Almost all mazda turbo cars that I've played with have had a boost cut or fuel limited boost cut on them. All I've heard is speculation of a 10psi limit.