FMIC update and now the addition of test pipe!

[ForceFed]

Hey all! i told everyone a few days ago about my plans for possible production of a FMIC kit that i will be working on and if all goes well producing for more enjoyment of our MSP's!(2thumbs)Well it looks like we are still on to begin work on sat. 4-5-03.
But wait, theres more !Now as of Fri. the 4th i should have my test pipe done(yippy)If people are interested in either of these i need to know some numbers.1938374645 J/K!

But thats not all! We are gonna check out making a new downpipe for this beast too!We are gonna check it out on Fri. also and take some measurements to see what we got to work with.

Not sure on any kind of prices yet (what it will actually cost you)but if i can get some people who are serious so i can get with my guys and let them know what kind of response im getting from the MSP world then hopefully by Sun. i can get some rough estimates on pricing.I didnt get too many responses to the last post so im not sure what you guys are thinking about this????

If you guys got any Q's,post 'em.you might even want to go back a few days and look at my other post on this subject 'cause it might answer them for you Thanx guys ,let me know!(hear ya)

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

ok cool. here we go some serious mods. :) well i'm really interested in the dp right now. in the future i would LOVE to have a front mount (don't got the cash for that yet). i'de like some quotes on the dp and the fmic kit. also we were talking about keeping the bumper supports/reinforcements with the fmic, any news on that? i'm assuming that the test pipe would include a gasket, flange and bolts? overall, you got my respect and i give you props.

[ForceFed]

OK,like i told you guys before ,I dont do anything half-a$$....
When i buy a product i want to take it out of the box and get to town installing it(what do you guys think)I dont want to get something home to find out that it didnt come with what i needed or in some extreme cases doesnt even tell you where to get it or what size to get either!!!(if it didnt come with it??)No ,if we get this going i hope we will be able to work around all the stock components and mounting holes(i dont like to hack up cars!)unless there is no other option:confused: The test pipe will come with whatever hardware is needed as will any other component i produce

NOW WHAT DO THINK ABOUT THAT???:cool:

[Vicocola]

sounds pretty good to me.. while u r at it.. wanna do some dyno? ;)

[BlackMSP]

i will buy anything for the mazdaspeed.... seriously... right when something manufactured comes out that improved hp/performance its comming to my door. Just start making the stuff already LOL (injen)!!

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

whoa tyte. prices prices man. and more downpipe info... size?

[ForceFed]

Just to let you guys know that all of this stuff is in the prliminary stages but it shouldnt take us long to get it going and possibly into production(WARP SPEED is always good!)I only decided to take this project on because im tired of waiting on people to make things and my shoulder is getting sore from holding the phone for hours on end talking to companies that dont have an answer to whether or not they will make us products!!!(argh) My post from 3-28-03 (newbie and some quick q's) has more detailed info on the FMIC,but as for prices ,i wont know till we decide on a few factors(piping sizes,intercooler brand and size,hardware ,and actual time to make each kit,etc..)So everyone be patient and i will feed you info as soon as i get it ,aight LATA!:cool:

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

ur killin me!

[2K3 MSP]

Now as far as the down pipe(I dont think the FMIC matters) will it be smog legal or "off road use only" like most companies?? In my opinion, it doesn't matter which way you go. I'd still put it on. If you can get a huge gain by keeping it "off road only", then I'll just have to re-install my stock downpipe every2-3 years for smog. No big deal to me.

[Concept MSP]

I am very interested. I will keep checking back for updates.

[GI-]

Awesome!!!!! Finally we will get some goodies!!!!!!


GI

[blynzoo]

Originally posted by 2K3 Mazdaspeed
Now as far as the down pipe(I dont think the FMIC matters) will it be smog legal or "off road use only" like most companies?? In my opinion, it doesn't matter which way you go. I'd still put it on. If you can get a huge gain by keeping it "off road only", then I'll just have to re-install my stock downpipe every2-3 years for smog. No big deal to me. Both a downpipe that replaces the first cat and a test pipe (for second) would not meet CARB. The test pipe is a 5-minute switch, so that's no problem, the DP could take a bit longer.

I would imagine that both will be "off-road" only. Whether your inspector is smart enough to notice the 1st cat is gone is another issue. Once the engine is warm, you should pass the sniffer test with just the 2nd cat, but would not pass visual if the inspector noticed the absent 1st cat.

But as we all know, it's easy to pass inspection if you're just willing to do a little engine work the night before.

[ARunto]

I'd be willing to buy downpipe and test pipe. LMK when you get final pieces together I'm ready to purchase. As for the FMIC I'd be interested too but I'm afraid with such a small turbo...a very big intercooler can ruin the efficency of the turbo.

What's the diameter of the test pipe and downpipe 2.5" or 3"?

Any chance for straight thru 3" exhaust system too?


-Alan

[boostisgood]

ForcedFed, Downpipe count me in. test pipe. dunno, i might run a high flow cat. unless the price is good. Deffinitly count me in for the downpipe.

Hit me up on AIM ilovemyspeed later, Im in pittsburgh and could come out to dayton for some test mule stuff too. (especially if it means free stuff or deep discounts :D ) Plus you did pm me about something but aint responded to me bro. :D

Thanks man.

[suttonschinook]

I'm interested in the down pipe. Is it going to be 3"? More info!:)

[JMS'sMSP]

I would be interestind in the fmic the test pipe i dont know about but the down pipe would be nice too.

[yashooa]

Ok start a splaining to me Lucy.
Cause Ricky is mui Confused.
lets play what is...
1. Down pipe.
2. Test pipe.
3. Crack Pipe.

I have built small block chevy motors in the past so I am familiar with exhuast systems in general. However, this turboed, slanty-eyed stuff is all new to this poor ol White boeey.
A line drawn illustration would be nice with perhaps narration by either Gumby or Barney.

Thanks...

Barney does slope speed...Or Rice Speed for Dummies...

[ARunto]

Downpipe is section that goes from exhuast side of the turbo to the cat.

Test pipe is replacment of cat with a straight thru pipe. Harms enviroment and can possibly fail smog test if you have it in your area.

Crackpipe is a clear cylinder in which crack is placed on top of a screen at one end and then inhaled in on the other end.


By doing a bigger diameter downpipe, test pipe and exhuast combo you can yeild some nice power gains especially on forced induction cars.

:)

-Alan

[RX-KEVIN]

guys lets be serious, call me cheap but the best thing that you could do for exhaust and hp gains is to put a dump valve before the main cat period, I don't give a fuck what any of you say, if you come to a line and hear me pull the nob, you will know immediately what my intentions are. for 50 bucks and a welder you are in business. maybee it's feasible for me cause I have access to a NGS tester and can reset any code that it sets. It can be scilenced by shutting the valve, no worry about emissions, or the cop that hears you racing a loud na car, when he pulls you over just tell him it couldn't have been you cause your car is quiet as shit

[yashooa]

So RX do you have some eletronic actuator that opens and closes the valve while your in the driver's seat?
Man that has got to be insanely loud.

[yashooa]

Thanks for the splaining Arunto.
You got da fro wit da know.

[ARunto]

A dump tube would be nice much like what Camaro and Mustang owners use. The main problem I can see is trying to get one to fit especially one that is cable actuated. They do have solenoid actuated ones but are rather expensive. These setups are pretty loud even with a turbo to muffle the noise. I used to run open header on my Honda and it saw 5whp gains in N/A form. I still prefer proper size downpipe, test pipe and full exhaust set up but that's just me. :)

-Alan

[ARunto]

Yashooa Here's how the routing goes on the exhuast.


Cylinder Head exhuast side ----> exhaust manifold---->turbo---->downpipe---->catalytic convertor----->mid-pipe or b-pipe---->axle-back section or muffler---->then black smoot that kills trees and gets bumper dirty :)

-Alan

[yashooa]

yES the all ecompassing Evil of "The Smoot"

eheheheheh Thanks for diagram bro...again to da fro we go for the explaino...

Disco Stu is gone....

[ARunto]

The ladies like the fro....I had to shave it all off so I could fit my head in the MSP. Since they don't come with sunroofs :(...LOL!

-Alan

[RX-KEVIN]

manual type 2" diameter

[boostisgood]

RX-KEVIN,

The big problem with the exhaust on the MSP is the downpipe. A few people have put 2.5 and 3 inch cat back exhausts on the car with no gains. So adding the dump valve will not benefit at all here cause its after the downpipe.

Sorry, but I just remembered this, so there is a need to get a new downpipe made to eliminate the pre cat. Thus freeing up exhaust flow ;D

[ARunto]

boostisgood: are people custom fabbing 3" exhuast for these cars?

-Alan

[twiztedjeckel]

nobody has yet otherwise there would be wide spread hysteria and people would have their heads so far up the person's ass that had it done it would be untollerable. kinda like a certain person's intake she had done.

[blynzoo]

Originally posted by yashooa

Barney does slope speed...Or Rice Speed for Dummies... "slope speed." Wow.

Sorry to thread jack! Good luck on the FMIC ForceFed.

[boostisgood]

ARunto, a few people have fabbed 3 in exhasut with not hp gains. Again, the issue being the uber restrictive downpipe.

So once a downpipe is fabbed up, then a 2.5 or 3 inch exhaust will be beneficial :D

[turbolsd]

two testpipes with upgraded downpipe is a lot of hp increase

[RX-KEVIN]

I said a dump valve before the main cat you jackass. Next time you put my name in your stupid reply no wtf you are talking about

[boostisgood]

RX-KEVIN YOU ASS LOOK UNDER THE CAR, THE DOWNPIPE IS CONNECTED TO THE TURBO, THE DOWNPIPE CONTAINS THE PRECAT YOU ASSHOLE. THE PRECAT IS THE MAIN HINDERENCE IN THE EXHAUST, NOT THE CAT ITSELF. KNOW YOUR SHIT BEFORE YOU TRY TO FLAME ME DICKHEAD.

BTW DO YOU OWN A MSP ? IF NOT DONT TRY TO FLAME SOMEONE WHO DOES, AND KNOWS THE FRIKIN CAR.

OHH AND IF YOULDVE READ MY WHOLE POST, YOU WOULDVE SEEN I EXPLAINED THIS ALREADY. NOW GET YOUR KNEES DIRTY AND (bj) ME.

[ForceFed]

boostisgoodisfunny!

[chdesign]

OK a few things.....FM has done tests and dyno runs of the BEGI kit with a 2.25" and 2.5" exhaust and found NO gains and the FM kit uses alot bigger turbo than what is in the MSP. For the levels of power the MSP pushes you won't see many gains over 2.25" Where you all will see power is turbo upgrade for one that T25 is way to small for any car that isn't a Yugo, intercooler upgrade which appartently is in the works now.Yes the Precat is probably causing some probablems also get rid of it if you can.....but I'm goign to be willing to bet after looking in the bay of a MSP that the O2 housing has very poor flow characteristics. My advice to anyone with an MSP one weekend take the O2 housing off and go to town with the dremel and port that thing out as much as you can....the less complex the angle the gasses have to escape the turbo the better.