I am in need of some help....

[Dave_13_2002]

What does it mean when I have same amounts of light blueish and black smoke come out of my exhaust? I think if I am right black is oil, and blue is???? What can be causing this? I have checked all the connections, lines, and turbo, oilpan, and it all appears to be in perfect order, what could be causing this?

On a side note does our ECU learn :wtf: ? As my idle is okay now at 8-9psi, and barely stalls anymore.

[Aricjm15]

purple/blue/black can all be oil realted

you car can also smoke if it is to rich I believe

[I-Am-Chris]

um blue is oil or coolent usual oil. Black is unburned fuel

[murdock_]

IM SORTA NERVOUS ABOUT THIS STALL THING. IMA MSP OWNER TO BE.. SOME PEOPLE SAY YOU HAVE FIXED IT? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? SORRY FOR THE CAPS LOL MY KEY IS STUCK.. HAHA I DUNNO

[JasonH]

Originally posted by Dave_13_2002
What does it mean when I have same amounts of light blueish and black smoke come out of my exhaust? I think if I am right black is oil, and blue is???? What can be causing this? I have checked all the connections, lines, and turbo, oilpan, and it all appears to be in perfect order, what could be causing this?

On a side note does our ECU learn :wtf: ? As my idle is okay now at 8-9psi, and barely stalls anymore. Straight black smoke would be too rich, and you would notice a loss of power. White/bluish is oil.

This is happening on a MAZDASPEED Protege?

[yashooa]

Hey I would get on the horn and get that Dealer by the shorthairs ASAP. These cars cost way too much for anykind of BSin around. I am only glad that my dealer rocks. I hope most of you have as good of an experience with your purchase and service.
Good luck man and I would get that thing looked at. So far I do have a very seldom clunk but it is minor and it will be resolved one way or another. But that is just one more reason I have a bad ass 75000 mile warranty with loaner car included.
I have not experienced a stall of any kind yet so fingers are crossed.

[MikeBlueP5]

black is usually fuel, blue is oil, and white is coolant.
Mike

[122 Vega]

I seriously doubt that contacting the dealer is going to do any good. With your list of mods you are likely on your own. You could remove all of it, but the chances of them not being able to tell are slim. I believe that they can also download info from the computer in the car and will see that you have been running high boost.

From my experiences, blue is oil, black is fuel. I would suspect that you have broken a ring land or cracked a piston.

Good luck,

Britt

[Dexter]

yeah, exactly, we're not talking about a stock mazdaspeed here, you had to go ahead and mod it, didnt you?

[boostisgood]

Aye, If your running higher boosts like that, your puter will learn that. The dealer can d/l that info from the puter and poof, toasted warranty.

It prolly is a bad cylinder (cracked land ring, or split piston) possible head gasket. (if ya see white smoke thats prolly it as youll burn coolant too)

Sorry bro hope ya get it fixed

[big_ben]

This is too funny. You have a brand new $20,000 car. You raised the boost to 9psi, everyone says that this car needs more fuel to boost that high. Now, you have a fucked turbo. Guess what allstar, blue smoke is oil blowing past your turbo seals and into your intake stream. And if there is enough to see the blue smoke, heres the funny part, YOU ARE SCREWED. Trust me, I know what it looks like. Your oil seals in the turbo are probably burned up. You had better hope you can take the car back to stock without the dealer knowing. And if you were smart, you wouldn't have posted this on this forum. Do you not realize that Mazda employees browse through this site on a regular basis. Now, if one of them saw your post, this is what they now know to look for at Maryland dealers. A ** year old kid from Somewhere In the US. Lives in the zipcode *****. He was born on some date in history. Are you getting the picture here? I think you may want to go edit your personal info. Trust me, you shouldn't give up too much personal info on the web. I am living proof of that.

This is too funny! (stupid) (rofl)

[the_glassman]

Originally posted by big_ben
This is too funny. You have a brand new $20,000 car. You raised the boost to 9psi, everyone says that this car needs more fuel to boost that high. Now, you have a fucked turbo. Guess what allstar, blue smoke is oil blowing past your turbo seals and into your intake stream. And if there is enough to see the blue smoke, heres the funny part, YOU ARE SCREWED. Trust me, I know what it looks like. Your oil seals in the turbo are probably burned up. You had better hope you can take the car back to stock without the dealer knowing. And if you were smart, you wouldn't have posted this on this forum. Do you not realize that Mazda employees browse through this site on a regular basis. Now, if one of them saw your post, this is what they now know to look for at Maryland dealers. A 19 year old kid from Maryland. Lives in the zipcode 21045. He was born on September 14, 1984. Are you getting the picture here? I think you may want to go edit your personal info. Trust me, you shouldn't give up too much personal info on the web. I am living proof of that.

This is too funny! (stupid) (rofl)
Please explain to me how the car not having enough fuel and running a few extra psi will do that to the turbo??? :rolleyes:

[Dexter]

Originally posted by the_glassman

Please explain to me how the car not having enough fuel and running a few extra psi will do that to the turbo??? :rolleyes:

although big_ben usually makes his points by being a big jackass, i have faith in his words.

[the_glassman]

Originally posted by Dexter


although big_ben usually makes his points by being a big jackass, i have faith in his words.
While indeed this may be turbo damage, there is just no way a turbo can get damaged in the manner he described. There isn't enough information here to tell me what is wrong with the car, though I have my doubts about it being the turbo.

[yashooa]

Well Ill be a dumbass!!!
DiDnt see all thosE mods down there in that what do you call it?
Oh yes a "SIG"

Well in that case your just shit outta luck aint ya skippy.

You wanna play you gotta pay.

[the_glassman]

Originally posted by yashooa
Well Ill be a dumbass!!!
DiDnt see all thosE mods down there in that what do you call it?
Oh yes a "SIG"

Well in that case your just shit outta luck aint ya skippy.

You wanna play you gotta pay.
:wtf:
Why are you being so hard on the guy???
God forbid you forget to keep a reciept from an oil change or something.
Then you would be SOL, give the guy some slack.
If you ask me a warranty is just an excuse for buying a POS.
I heard those KIA's are great, there sure do have the warranty to back them up! :rolleyes:

[Aricjm15]

Higher boost = Higher temp = screwed turbo

no extra fuel = Detination = your engine be FU**ED

[the_glassman]

Originally posted by Aricjm15
Higher boost = Higher temp = screwed turbo

no extra fuel = Detination = your engine be FU**ED
I'm sorry but Garrett T25 ball bearing turbo can take 9 psi.
Have you ever seen the compressor map??? :confused:
Now detonation is another problem intirely, this could cause turbo damage, but I don't think its the case here.
The engine would also be hurting if this was the case.

[I-Am-Chris]

Oh yeah these run Rich stock I forgot to mention that like we have in 3 or 4 other posts. in the 10's on the A/F stock. * or 9 PSI should be fine. Have you spiked any?? Dont't listen to JACKASS! Pull out your sparkplugs and take a look at those to see if there is any tell tale signs. After that run stock boost and see what happenes. Do u still have your cats. And if its blue then if you did something major it would be your rings. But hey if that is the case time to build it for even more boost!

[Vicocola]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by big_ben
This is too funny. You have a brand new $20,000 car. You raised the boost to 9psi, everyone says that this car needs more fuel to boost that high. Now, you have a fucked turbo. Guess what allstar, blue smoke is oil blowing past your turbo seals and into your intake stream. And if there is enough to see the blue smoke, heres the funny part, [b]YOU ARE SCREWED. Trust me, I know what it looks like. Your oil seals in the turbo are probably burned up. You had better hope you can take the car back to stock without the dealer knowing. And if you were smart, you wouldn't have posted this on this forum. Do you not realize that Mazda employees browse through this site on a regular basis. Now, if one of them saw your post, this is what they now know to look for at Maryland dealers. A 19 year old kid from Maryland. Lives in the zipcode 21045. He was born on September 14, 1984. Are you getting the picture here? I think you may want to go edit your personal info. Trust me, you shouldn't give up too much personal info on the web. I am living proof of that.

hahah no pt for him to do that anymore... now that u just busted him out... or u better delete this post when he actually get rid of his profile :eek:

[yashooa]

Originally posted by the_glassman

:wtf:
Why are you being so hard on the guy???
God forbid you forget to keep a reciept from an oil change or something.
Then you would be SOL, give the guy some slack.
If you ask me a warranty is just an excuse for buying a POS.
I heard those KIA's are great, there sure do have the warranty to back them up! :rolleyes:

I was being hard on me! Not him poor kid screwed up his car.
I was just too obtuse to see his mods and thought it was stock.
I am sorry if you were offended. I was just using jest against my own lack of vision.

[I-Am-Chris]

Again why r yall being such pricks! If thats how u treat people then i say
GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
Why dont you give him help like he asked instead of saying "your Fucked" or something like that!

[JasonH]

Originally posted by I-Am-Chris
Again why r yall being such pricks! If thats how u treat people then i say
GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
Why dont you give him help like he asked instead of saying "your Fucked" or something like that!
While I somewhat agree, I think it's mostly irrelevant since the original poster hasn't replied to any of the questions posted by people who actually wanted to help him.

Also, you should calm down. Have a cream soda.

[chwood]

Originally posted by I-Am-Chris
Again why r yall being such pricks! If thats how u treat people then i say
GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
Why dont you give him help like he asked instead of saying "your Fucked" or something like that!

:wtf:

Unless you were somehow retarded enough to ask for any kind of help OTHER than diagnostic, then you have no real grounds for complaints.
You asked for opinions & you got 'em. Now pipe down with the aggrieved nonsense.

"What does this symptom mean?"
"It means you're F'D."
"WHY ARE YOU SUCH A PRICK!?!"

ESPECIALLY when you already went to the effort/expense to mod a BRAND NEW car that much - you took the risk and it appears like you lost, now quit bitching at everyone for telling you so.

Please.

[nattyboy513]

the man just blew up his car(possibly) i think we should cut him a little slack. it makes me sad that he is having troubles and i am curious to find out what the problem is to make sure it dosent happen agian. and while big ben has a valid point, try not be be so harsh with someone hoe is legitimatly looking for help. i hope that the damage is minimal, good luck with the warranty...

[big_ben]

I was being harsh because I see the great humor in it. My car is also screwed. So I see it as funny. But the main reason I see it as very funny is because he is a 19 year old kid that just screwed his motor. (rofl) If any of you are offended by my comments, don't read my posts. Plain and simple.:D

[LinuxRacr]

Either the oil seals in the turbo, or the rings are shot. Anyhow, I know what that's like as I have blown my motor before. It sux! If anything it will be a learning experience for all involved. I wish I had some magic words to make you feel better, but right now it looks like the only thing that is gonna help you is money. Sorry bro.:(

[I-Am-Chris]

Hey I didnt blow up my car he did. he's 19 big deal I'm 20. All I am saying is Why not give him some useful advice other than poking fun at him. Granted you are entitled to your own opinion. this might be a good learning experience for other peopele in what not to do. Remember that goes both ways. HAHA i dont like cream soda. LOL

[AGR]

Wow!!! Is nobody (but a few of us) happy with their MAZDASPEEDs as they are from the factory?! (ok; I added a K&N filter)

This all goes back to the question I asked before. Does anybody really know how much these engines can take, without upgrading the internals? For the most part, it appears, that nobody gives a damn - they just want more horsepower, whatever the price.

Ok; maybe in Dave's case, his problem had more to do with fuel/air mixture, etc... But; everyone should get my point.

(chair)


I Love My MAZDASPEED! (mostly stock)

[turboge]

Originally posted by Dave_13_2002
What does it mean when I have same amounts of light blueish and black smoke come out of my exhaust? I think if I am right black is oil, and blue is???? What can be causing this? I have checked all the connections, lines, and turbo, oilpan, and it all appears to be in perfect order, what could be causing this?

How many miles are on the car? The rings may not be fully seated yet. Blue smoke is from burning oil, since it is coming out of your exhaust you can check 2 places to find out.

First you can pull off your intake from the turbo and see if that has oil in it Check near the breather line, that is blowby, if it is near the turbo inlet you have a bad seal.

Also, if you have access to it, pull the Intercooler pipe that connects to the compressor outlet and check for oil, if its wet in there you have a bad seal.

Next place is the exhaust, do a compression check to see if all cylinders are even or low. This will tell you if you have bad rings.

Now if your compression is down then you may have to replace a few internal parts. There is no reason that your car should have blown a ring or piston or rod with such a small amount of power increase. The car is tuned very rich, and I don't beleive that 9psi will be high enough to disturb the A/F ratios, 10:1 is plenty for that boost.



On a side note does our ECU learn :wtf: ? As my idle is okay now at 8-9psi, and barely stalls anymore.

It does learn, but it doesn't reprogram itself, it'll do weird things every once and a while.

I'd get the car on a wideband and a dyno and watch what happens at 9psi to the A/F... if you can trace the timing curve that may help as well to determine if its advanced too much under that boost level.

Is it smoking like this only under boost, or under all driving conditions? Did your exhaust retain the Cats?

[Dexter]

it sucks but i dont feel we have to cut him any slack. you play, you pay. shoulda done more research before dumping all the money...anyone can just buy a shitload of stuff and throw it on the car...if you do that and fuck something up, you dont get any sympathy from me. just sucks it had to be on a mazdaspeed.

[Dave_13_2002]

Big_Ben.....

Even after removing my info you so nicely posted it all here. :mad: So it does not do to much good. (getsome)
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Any ways my mazda dealership does not mind if you mod your car. They actually like what I have done. As for the problems they have all went away I see no more smoke, no smell, nothing. It is as if the whole thing never happened.

[Dave_13_2002]

I take no offens in any of these posts. If some of you want to be dicks over the internet to someone who ask a simple question that just shows how mature you all really are. Thanks to all the people who helped me. As for modding my car; this is not my daily driver. This car was planned to be a project a car. My actuall car is a 02 Eclipse GT (POS but hey it gets me to where i need to go.) So what some of you are saying is that people should not mod their car? So injen should not make an intake, spool should not work on the car, FM should not do anything, I mean then why have so many of you bought the K&N filter and put it in, is that not a mod? If I have the money to work on my PROJECT car then I am. If you have a problem with that then you could kiss my (butt) .

[AGR]

Originally posted by Dave_13_2002
I take no offens in any of these posts. If some of you want to be dicks over the internet to someone who ask a simple question that just shows how mature you all really are. Thanks to all the people who helped me. As for modding my car; this is not my daily driver. This car was planned to be a project a car. My actuall car is a 02 Eclipse GT (POS but hey it gets me to where i need to go.) So what some of you are saying is that people should not mod their car? So injen should not make an intake, spool should not work on the car, FM should not do anything, I mean then why have so many of you bought the K&N filter and put it in, is that not a mod? If I have the money to work on my PROJECT car then I am. If you have a problem with that then you could kiss my (butt) .

Hey Dave! I'm glad your MAZDASPEED is okay, now. I was simply asking a question (that was never really answered before). I certainly wasn't trying to be a wiseass. If you have read any of my posts, or threads previously, you know I'm here to have fun, learn, and even sometimes give some advise from any experience I have had (such as the K&N install). I just hope you didn't take what I posted the wrong way.

[LinuxRacr]

Braden,

The JIC Magic Exhaust hooks up after the 2nd cat on regular Proteges. I understand that the Mazdaspeeds have one cat, so I guess it would hook up after that.

[LinuxRacr]

Guys, we are all entitled to our opinions, but let's all try to be more helpful than critical. It reflects on the site, and I know I for one am here to help. We all take risks with the mods we do for the benifit of others, but to beat up on a member because he may have lost...(notcool)

[I-Am-Chris]

it actually has two long ass ones

[big_ben]

Hey, if I were in a better mood that day, I would have been nicer, but I wasn't so you got the brunt of it. If you let people on the web get to you, you have some growing up to do. I could give two shits about what anyone on this site has to say about me. I'll tell you what I see when I see it, and I told you.

Here is some advice for you. The easiest way to see if you turbo has oil blowing by the seals is to remove the intake tube from your throttle body. Rub your finger around the inside of the intake tube. If there is oil on your finger, your turbo is toast. Theres nothing you can do to fix it besides rebuild it. And here's some more bad news for you. Ball bearing turbos can't be rebuilt. You have to buy a totally new center section. That's going to cost you about a grand for ball bearing.

[Dave_13_2002]

It cool man I hold nothiing against you. Everyone has a shitty day now and then. But honestly thanks for the advise, I will do that tomarrow. But I think it was just a one time thing as it has not happened since I posted this.