My Surgeline Tuned ms3!

[zx2man]

Just got back from Portland,Oregon....WOW glad to be done driving actrully hehe. First off.. hats off to Surgeline...great job...Tim Baily is extremly talented..very professional too!...It took about 3 hours of tuning time to get it right..was running alittle lean and my knock was present during high rpms. My best pull was 296 whp and 322 wtq..But Tim said lets lighten it up alittle and make it alittle more safer, so with a super conservative 17 psi tune, numers are: 291 whp and 310 wtq...still quite good on this small turbo...whats amazing is how effecient this small turbo is..cause Tim also made me a 15 psi map just incase I wanted to run even lower..and that map is still pulling 284 whp and 306 wtq...But im running the 17 pis map now and it feels good..flirting with 300 whp and having only a few bolt ons to me is pretty good stuff..and ofcourse this tune is very safe and reliable..safe on the engine..the car feels just sooo much smoother and linear!!...Im very happy..I took some pics when I could so here ya go. I should be getting a video soon. Anyways the car is running really good and Iam very happy :)

[zx2man]

More pics:

[coyfish]

Nice ! May I ask how much they charged. Im going to have my cobb ap tuned somewhere but just curious to the price.

[creedns]

Tims lucky ass and his new gtr. Makes me sick lol yeah i'm hatin on him

[zx2man]

400 dollars was the cost of the tune. very well worth it for me.

[coyfish]

Thats very reasonable imo.

[zx2man]

Yes coyfish it was for me..the car runs extremly smooth, And its nice to have couple of safe quality maps to choose from depending on the weather or whatnot. I got 3 maps...my 17 psi,15,and 14 psi..heck the 14 psi map is making like 275 whp..considering the stock psi from mazda is what 15.4 psi? something around there,and typical stock dyno is 220-230 whp...thats like 50 more ponies with less boos that stock with some bolt ons!..its called dam good tuning,and really shows you the potential of these cars. But yeah so far its been very nice..the drive back home was fun..about 100 miles..car pulls pretty hard..pulls better now with 17 psi than 20 psi I was getting when I was using the ots maps,but I dotn get the knock,my afr's are freakin perfect..and for a stock fuel pump im doing decent..around 1550 psi..Ill prabaly get a cp-e pump down the road, just to be on the safeside. But anyways Im pretty satisfied and nearly 300 @thewheels is plenty for my kid hauler! lol.

[hugador]

Damn 300 at the wheels thats where i want to be at. Gongratz

[essejkcamraw]

car looks good man. i wish there was someone in fl that had a good reputation for tuning these cars like surgeline. lucky you live close enough to make that drive! crazy you're pushin 300hp with the lighter side of mods which those numbers to me seem like they'd be PERFECT daily driven.

[Sphincter]

zx2man, I hate to ruin your parade, but I have the same mods as you and no tune with stock boost and I dynoed two weeks ago 294whp/304wtq in 92F.
My mods: TurboXS downpipe, TurboXS FMIC, Corksport Inlet & intake, Turbosmart bov.

[leadf00t]

I'd be happy as hell with the 275hp. Which tmic do you have ? I notice you dont have the tabs for the shield that goes around it.

[zx2man]

I have the 3.5 in tmic leadf00t...as for raining on my parade Sphincter, Ill sleep fine tonight no worries,and good job on the numbers. Im more happy that my car is running really safe right now. My afr's are dead on..0 knock...my turbo is running nice and cool.

ps thanks for all the nice comments guys :)

[SomnoSpeed3]

zx2man, I hate to ruin your parade, but I have the same mods as you and no tune with stock boost and I dynoed two weeks ago 294whp/304wtq in 92F.
My mods: TurboXS downpipe, TurboXS FMIC, Corksport Inlet & intake, Turbosmart bov.

#1: I don't think the OP started this thread to have a manliness contest about who has the highest whp. Anyone can bolt on some parts and dyno big numbers. The trick is to keep it from blowing it up. I get the feeling you will find out what I mean soon enough. I don't think the thread was made to brag about who has the highest numbers but it's clear you do.

#2: It's "rain on your parade"... and you made yourself sound kinda like a DB with your post because all you saw out of the original post was WHP/WTQ numbers and you f'ed up that stupid cliche.(lol2)

[zx2man]

yeah numbers are numbers..The dyno at surgeline is a awd mustang dyno, so on a dynojet id prabaly be making around 315 whp,since mustang dynos very well known to be rather conservative. Im just glad that I have a car that is pulling very strong and all the permeters are in very safe digits. While I was at surgeline, Tim Baily had his gtr and his 500 whp sti trackcar,also a 500+ horsepower bugeye wrx,and a customer came in and owned a 450 hp 2008 r32..hes beated ferrari 360 modena's,porsche 911's and some other cars..Tims Sti runs like 11 sec 1/4 mile all day..so my point is with all that going on around me..me making around 300 at the wheels is kinda humbling haha,and it just shows what kind of incredible cars are out there..never mind 800 hp evo's are 1200 hp supra's..we can battle numbers all day..doesnt really get you anywhere,unless you got that small dick syndrome then I fell sorry for you. As for me..my ms3 isnt just some trackcar..its my daily driver and kid hauler..and i just want something fun and still fairly fast..and I have it :) love my speed.

[dizzin9]

those are pretty good #s for a few bolt-ons! congrats.

[nypz]

Ill take a safe tune and smooth running car any day of the week! Good job man, cant wait to get mine done over here in a week.

[Sphincter]

Lolz Sonmo, I certainly didn't try to start a dyno contest here. I simply stated that I have gained the same results, minus the 4whp, by just doing the simple bolt ons. I would have been so pissed if I went out and spent $600 on AP and the additional $300-400 for a pro tune just to gain 4whp and a false promise of a safe tune. Did you know that there are more people blowing with their APs and stand backs then there are people with stock tune? Jump over to MSF and see for yourself. With all the shit I have in my car, I'm running stock tune with no problems, I have 0 knock in any gear and my cooling efficiency is amazing thanks to a giant TurboXS front mount intercooler. That was my whole point, is that I can't justify spending close to $1K for a 4whp gain and a false promise. Btw, why are clenching on to little shit? I simply said "I hate to ruin your parade" and you got all worked up over it. So if I would of said "I hate to ruin your day" it would of been ok with you?

[Sphincter]

Wow Somno, I just read some of your previous posts and I feel like I shouldn't have wasted my time responding to your post in this thread. Hahaha, you're a total n00b and guess what? Your shit is so going to blow!!! Have fun running OTS maps, lolz.(eekfu)

[zx2man]

I would best bet that people who blow with ap are people running ots maps, and not a protune. Some people just throw stage 2 map on thier car and thier running 21 psi all the time..not cool. If you take people who are running on pro tunes, I dont think thats the case. Right now Im running the 15 psi map and my car pulls insane. I cant speak of Cp-e Standback. And knock retard isnt the only thing to worry about..hows your wastegate duty?..how are your fuel trims? whats your MAF curves?..If your truly running 100% safe on ALL perimeters involving safe driveability of your mazdaspeed3 like Iam, then hey good for you!...your very lucky and in the minority for sure.

[Sphincter]

zx2man, I have nothing personal against you or you spending your money on AP and pro tune. That is actually the way I was going to go about my tuning solution, I was gonna get the AP and then have CFT tune it for me. After spending some time on MSF however (much more advanced knowledge on MSF then here), all the sudden I don't feel so safe about our tuning solutions that are out right now. My Speed3 is my DD, and I don't spend too much time tracking or fast & the furious driving, all my parameters are showing safe numbers, I'm comfortable at 300hp, therefore for now I'm not spending $1K on tuning.

[SomnoSpeed3]

Wow Somno, I just read some of your previous posts and I feel like I shouldn't have wasted my time responding to your post in this thread. Hahaha, you're a total n00b and guess what? Your shit is so going to blow!!! Have fun running OTS maps, lolz.(eekfu)

You just proved my post to be even more true.
ATTN PLEASE!!! ATTN PLEASE!!! All those running MSCAI and Cobb AP with OTS maps are going to blow their engine!!! Sphincter said so and he is NOT a noob. (cool) That is all!

I don't do internet arguements junior so sorry, I'm done with this thread.

[jnr5005]

That to me is surprising that you achieved those numbers with those few mods...and on a mustang dyno to boot. Great job! 322wtq is FTW! I'd pump it up to like 19psi and put it on Dynojet just for fun lol.

[Bravnik]

zx2man, I hate to ruin your parade, but I have the same mods as you and no tune with stock boost and I dynoed two weeks ago 294whp/304wtq in 92F.
My mods: TurboXS downpipe, TurboXS FMIC, Corksport Inlet & intake, Turbosmart bov.

Keep in mind Surgeline uses a Mustang Dyno. Not sure what you dyno'd on but my bet is that it was not a Mustang and probably a Dyno-Jet. Mustang Dyno reads 20-30% lower than a Dyno-Jet.

MSF does have good info but they also have a TON of CRAP as well, not to mention the biggest bunch of douche bags on all the forums. If you know how to wade through all the garbage you can find good info for sure. However, you have to know what you are looking for in the first place as MSF has just as much crap as it does good info.

What I can guarantee is that 99% of those that have blown have done so due to their own stupidity and not the tuning solution they used. Hal even stands by this fact. What you read is not always the truth. If done right, I tune is a lot safer for your car than tossing on a ton of mods and hoping for the best.

Here is my tip of the day to you. Think for yourself. The more vocal ones on MSF are typically the ones that don't know shit and talk out their ass. Research on MSF and other forums for your questions and concerns and come to a conclusion yourself. Don't believe everything you read, specially on MSF. NEVER and do mean NEVER listen to anyone on any forum that is being sponsored and pusing their sponsors goods. NEVER jump on the bandwagon for the next and best item to hit the market. Sit back and let the other idiots jump on the wagon. 99% of the time the latest and greatest is the biggest POS to hit the market and time will prove it.

[zx2man]

Thanks jnr5005...yeah Im pretty satisfied on the numbers..truth be told though..when Tim was first running some pulls on the car..my psi was like 20 and my torque was only 336..so by bringing the psi down to 17..and fixing the fuel trims and maf curves he was able to give me 322 wtq..so thats a difference of 14 tq on 3 psi..pretty dam good tuning...heck as we speak..im running the 15 psi map that Tim gave me as well, And im still around 310 wtq :). Its cause these small k04 turbos make quick power and with good tuning you alwas dont need alot of "boost" to get good #'s...But yeah speaking of the mustang dyno..ive alwas heard they read low..im sure ona different dyno my numbers would be even better :)

[creedns]

Wow Somno, I just read some of your previous posts and I feel like I shouldn't have wasted my time responding to your post in this thread. Hahaha, you're a total n00b and guess what? Your shit is so going to blow!!! Have fun running OTS maps, lolz.(eekfu)

HAHAHAHA I don't get how running NO tune is safer than runnin a tune setup for whatever mods you have, thats rich

[coyfish]

That to me is surprising that you achieved those numbers with those few mods...and on a mustang dyno to boot. Great job! 322wtq is FTW! I'd pump it up to like 19psi and put it on Dynojet just for fun lol.

Even mustang dyno's are very relative.

With my mods minus the TIP I dynod at 274 whp on a mustang dyno. There are plenty of people on these forums with my mods + downpipe + tune and they are still running about 280 whp.

[Sphincter]

HAHAHAHA I don't get how running NO tune is safer than runnin a tune setup for whatever mods you have, thats rich

11.7-11.8 afr at wot seems to be pretty good. I think majority of you guys just underestimate our stock tune.

[nypz]

With a catted dp, sri, tip, would i be able to run with no tune for a while? Obviously disconnecting the battery and everything and taking it easy after all are installed for a few miles. Im not sure i have the scratch to get a tune yet with my ap and not sure i want to run ots maps yet, even if i do itll be a stage 1.

[coololddude]

My Pacemaker just EXPLODED!!!

[coyfish]

My Pacemaker just EXPLODED!!!


thats what you get for a cheap tune

[jay32m]

Very nice numbers! Glad to see good number with really good afr's and no knock. Must feel good to have a peace of mind that you are safely tuned to almost perfection.

[BoostisLove]

Hmmm very inspiring... I have a 2010 speed3 and was a little worried about the stock turbo not being adequate for 300whp. I guess it wont be very difficult after all.

Glad for you. Goodluck!

[Sport6]

Do you have an part throttle knock cruising/hills/at all?

[onelsono]

good numbers... ull make over 300 on another dyno, mine made 320whp and 360wtq on a dynodynamics, with a trbo-back, intake, fuelpump and vlave and a pro. tune.. for those who say ur better off with a stock tune over a pro. tune with mods, ur simply an idiot.

[MSMS3]

good numbers... ull make over 300 on another dyno, mine made 320whp and 360wtq on a dynodynamics, with a trbo-back, intake, fuelpump and vlave and a pro. tune.. for those who say ur better off with a stock tune over a pro. tune with mods, ur simply an idiot.

Generalizations like "idiot" can be easily misunderstood and very inaccurate. I'm happy for your dyno results. But, not all mods require a "tune" and not all "tunes" are the same.

Moreover, the question I would have is whether a 320 hp tune on our internals and with the stock K04 will be safe and how long the engine will last before she goes "pop."

I'm not saying the tune is unsafe. I don't know. Maybe it's safe, but the statement about that amount of power raises an eyebrow, given what we know about the internals on these engines and the size of the turbo. We know what happens to small displacement turbocharged engines when the turbo is driven too hard and exhaust temps get too high. We know what happens when this small turbo is driven beyond the edges of its efficiency mapping and approach or tries to exceed its choke line. And then there is the issue of the strength of the internals and genuine concerns about the construction of the connecting rods just below the wrist pin.

Just a thought about the built in tension betweening tuning for power, tuning for safety, and the safety features built into the conservative tune of the stock ECU. I'm all for tunes that optimize engine performance and safety that are mod specific. I'm not for generalizations painting others as idiots.

Perhaps we should revisit this issue a year from now and see how the 320 hp tune has held up. Maybe I'll have to eat crow.

[zx2man]

Thanks for the compliments guys...sport6: I dont not have any reported knock what so ever in anygear so far in any rpm after Tim tuned my car. Keep in mind my peak numbers were from a "17" psi tune..which is still not that much boost..I honestly think our engines can handle that,so I feel pretty good about stress on my engine. And right now like I said before im currently actrully running the 15 psi map that Tim also loaded into my accessport..cause I only lost 8 hp and 10lb tq from going to the 15 psi map and my turbo is running super cool and the car is just running really good an pulling very hard. so Im running a real safe conservative tune,but still cranking out pretty impressive numbers..and when it comes to this tune or no tune your car..I honestly think to each thier own..if your running full bolt ons and dont wanna tune and your cars #s are "safe" then hey do what you gotta do,its your car..your money. I know in "MY CAR" that when No matter what map i used stage 1 or stage 2..or even when I loaded my original oem stock map back on..my car was running lean and had fairly decent knock with the current mods I had in my car..So..I didnt wanna take any chances..and I wanted peace of mind!..so yes i spent the money to get a protune and Im happy that I did. Thanks fellas :) and goodluck to everyone regarding the tuning of thier ms3 :)

[onelsono]

[QUOTE=MSMS3;4860386]Generalizations like "idiot" can be easily misunderstood and very inaccurate. I'm happy for your dyno results. But, not all mods require a "tune" and not all "tunes" are the same.

idk man, wut mods dont require a tune? an intake and bpv maybee.. i think once u start throwin in turbo-baks and fuelpumps and shit like that u def need a tune.. technically ur suppose to tune a car to each mod. ask any ligit shop and theyll tell u that a tune is the most inportant aspect to moding... by the way my car aint makin that power nomore, in the mits of putting it bak to stock..

[MSMS3]

"by the way my car aint makin that power nomore, in the mits of putting it bak to stock.."

lol.

[onelsono]

"by the way my car aint makin that power nomore, in the mits of putting it bak to stock.."

lol.

yea mad funny bro... pickin up a bike in 2weeks.. enough said

[creedns]

Generalizations like "idiot" can be easily misunderstood and very inaccurate. I'm happy for your dyno results. But, not all mods require a "tune" and not all "tunes" are the same.

Moreover, the question I would have is whether a 320 hp tune on our internals and with the stock K04 will be safe and how long the engine will last before she goes "pop."

I'm not saying the tune is unsafe. I don't know. Maybe it's safe, but the statement about that amount of power raises an eyebrow, given what we know about the internals on these engines and the size of the turbo. We know what happens to small displacement turbocharged engines when the turbo is driven too hard and exhaust temps get too high. We know what happens when this small turbo is driven beyond the edges of its efficiency mapping and approach or tries to exceed its choke line. And then there is the issue of the strength of the internals and genuine concerns about the construction of the connecting rods just below the wrist pin.

Just a thought about the built in tension betweening tuning for power, tuning for safety, and the safety features built into the conservative tune of the stock ECU. I'm all for tunes that optimize engine performance and safety that are mod specific. I'm not for generalizations painting others as idiots.

Perhaps we should revisit this issue a year from now and see how the 320 hp tune has held up. Maybe I'll have to eat crow.

Our internals are pretty stout. There is something else drastically wrong with these motors theres been VERY few wot blown motors the rest have all been part throttle while shifting after a long drive. No one can figure it our but the internals aren't the big issue

[onelsono]

Our internals are pretty stout. There is something else drastically wrong with these motors theres been VERY few wot blown motors the rest have all been part throttle while shifting after a long drive. No one can figure it our but the internals aren't the big issue

yea now that u mention it i have yet to hear about sum1 blowin up while they were at wot.

[MSMS3]

Yeah, there are multiple issues being debated running the gamut from the size and shape of the connecting rods at the wrist pin end, the direction the DISI injectors are firing (over to the side of the top of the piston close to the cylinder wall), the shape, design and configuration of the piston rings and lands, the effect of running pig rich on lubrication, including fuel dilution, the problem with the PCV valve and oil return line from the turbo, and a whole host of other possibilities. No one knows for sure.

However, there don't seem to be many reports of popped engines on CX-7's with the same engine we have. My read is that it is happening more on modded MS3 and MS6 engines, not so much at WOT. Modded engines seem to be more prone to popping while crusing at relatively low rpm while bringing the engine up on boost at the point where boost rises quickly and torque is at its max. Puzzling.

[coyfish]

yea now that u mention it i have yet to hear about sum1 blowin up while they were at wot.

Yeah but the damage is done at WOT. Most people bend their rods at wot and don't realize it. Then their car is just a ticking time bomb. This car produces too much torque down low in the rpm range. So basically when your just driving normally your rods are still taking a beating. Until they finally snap.

[onelsono]

yea thats prob tru.. is their anyway to know how ur rods are w/o riping the hole car apart, like wut would be a sign of a rod being bent?

[coyfish]

Unless they are very bent I don't think you can tell unless you open the block. You might get a little more knock then usual. Thats why so many people blow their motors while cruising.

[onelsono]

Unless they are very bent I don't think you can tell unless you open the block. You might get a little more knock then usual. Thats why so many people blow their motors while cruising.

i see

[zx2man]

tick tock tick tock tick tock............................I honestly think the blown engine prablem is small explosives being placed near the engine block by keebler elves..I shall get to the bottom of this important matter (alright)

[leadf00t]

tick tock tick tock tick tock............................I honestly think the blown engine prablem is small explosives being placed near the engine block by keebler elves..I shall get to the bottom of this important matter (alright)

I knew thats what is was !!!

[MSMS3]

yea thats prob tru.. is their anyway to know how ur rods are w/o riping the hole car apart, like wut would be a sign of a rod being bent?

No. They have to be removed to properly check them. There are factory specs on just about every dimension of a connecting rod and they are all critical, including the length of rod bolts as well (they stretch when torqued and can stretch more under extreme load). The rod must also be absolutely paralled to the bore at top dead center and the housing of both the wrist pin end and the crank journal end must be absolutely parallel to the crankshaft.

The tolerances are very tight and are not subject to eyeball evaluation. These measurements are down to the thousandths of an inch and as to the actual mating surfaces, housing bore and journal bearing surfaces, down to the ten thousandths of an inch. That's .0001 inch. A human hair at its base averages 4 thousandths of an inch. These tolerance can be as close as one 40th of the width of a human hair.

If you can see anything wrong, it's way too late.

Although our rods are forged and stronger than cast, they were not shot peened, stress relieved or polished like racing rods, and not as strong as aftermarket forged rods which typically receive that extra attention.

[MSMS3]

tick tock tick tock tick tock............................I honestly think the blown engine prablem is small explosives being placed near the engine block by keebler elves..I shall get to the bottom of this important matter (alright)

Or maybe trolls. You know the kind, those from EVO and WRX websites who go around trying to destroy the competition! I think they still live under bridges but they try to hurt our engines when we are sleeping.

[zx2man]

honestly..though its too late now..I dont think car companies have really mastered this new direction injection process you see in the disi motors. I think theres some treaks that need to be worked out. I think if mazda went with a traditional engine platform like the 2.0 liter "bulletproof' engines you see in the gen 9 evo's we be alot better off..Not to say our 2.3 liter disi motors are ass..and yes the internals are strong..but if mazda had to start all over..im pretty sure the direction wouldnt have been exact. But mazda has alwas liked to be alittle different..thier Rotary engine program is futher proof..regardless I feel safe in my ms3..All I can do as a sencible car owner is to do daily maintence and feed it the best fluids..and drive the car right..if it still goes boom,then its egg on my face and least I did the best I can. Im sure as heck not gonna drive around all nervous like and get ready to hear my engine go boom lol

[MSMS3]

Well said and congrats on the sensible approach to mods and performance by dialing the boost back a bit with a good tune for something closer to stock boost level. May your engine live long and prosper.

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

honestly... though it`s too late now... I don`t think car companies have really mastered this new direct injection process you see in the disi motors.

New? The technology was first used in the late 1950s.

[creedns]

Complete side note and not to thread jack but anybody seen the video of the evo x makin 624whp on the stock block? Lol fuck all of us for goin with this platform damn it!!!

[onelsono]

Complete side note and not to thread jack but anybody seen the video of the evo x makin 624whp on the stock block? Lol fuck all of us for goin with this platform damn it!!!

lol yea evo x's are making sum crazy power on stock block nd internals... even with a couple bultons the car makes well into the 300's almost if not httin the 400's with a good tune.. but $40,000 for a motor and recaro seats isnt my kind of buy lol

[creedns]

lol yea evo x's are making sum crazy power on stock block nd internals... even with a couple bultons the car makes well into the 300's almost if not httin the 400's with a good tune.. but $40,000 for a motor and recaro seats isnt my kind of buy lol

Get em for about 28k right now lol

[SubieKiller3]

I would best bet that people who blow with ap are people running ots maps, and not a protune. Some people just throw stage 2 map on thier car and thier running 21 psi all the time..not cool. If you take people who are running on pro tunes, I dont think thats the case. Right now Im running the 15 psi map and my car pulls insane. I cant speak of Cp-e Standback. And knock retard isnt the only thing to worry about..hows your wastegate duty?..how are your fuel trims? whats your MAF curves?..If your truly running 100% safe on ALL perimeters involving safe driveability of your mazdaspeed3 like Iam, then hey good for you!...your very lucky and in the minority for sure. pro tune or not, its all about what your internals can handle bud. no matter how "safe" you think your car is tuned, you are still asking it to do more than what it was designed. I honestly would not waste my money tuning a car unless I rebuilt the motor.

[zx2man]

sorry mid life crisis..your right its not new tech. my super bad....I guess I didnt mean its new persay..its just not somethign your seeing everyone doing these days. and fuck me iguess for running a protune subiekiller.. that settles it! im gonna go blow 5 grand right now to rebuild my engine for the current 15 psi that I have running on this car!

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

and fuck me I guess for running a protune subiekiller.. that settles it! I`m gonna go blow 5 grand right now to rebuild my engine for the current 15 psi that I have running on this car!

I hope this isn`t coming from my comment. I think it`s great that you got a good tune to make the most of your mods.
While the ECU is very adaptive and will certainly cover minor mods, what some people seem to be overlooking is the fact that it was programmed with a certain range in mind. A certain expected max air/fuel flow, max boost pressure, etc. There comes a point where even bolt on mods might go beyond the point the stock maps and built in adaptability can properly cover. At that point you need a tune. Even within the parameters of the stock maps, it is still a good idea to tune the car for your specific mods, fuel of choice, altitude, etc.

[zx2man]

No Mid life the comment wasnt cause of you, your one of the more logical and common sence thinking members on these forums from what I have alwas seen of your comments-:D...and yes you right about direct injection..mercedes was using in 1955 I atleast know that,guess my point at that time was maybe the whole disi motor isnt mastered completly. anyways thats besides the point..Hearing a comment that not wasting money on a tune till you build a motor is rather retarded..yes if we all had money trees growing outside out our front yard and could just drop money like it was nothing,then hey why not build a motor. But living here in the northwest I have access to tuning shops like Surgeline,Ralitek,Perrin,Horsepower freaks and more...you have other places in the country like AMS or Buschur and many more who day after day are tuning Sti's,Evo's,ms3's,srt4's,GTR's,Supra's,wrx's,GTI's , and many many more WHO are running awesome power without upgrading the internals..some of these tuners-mechanics have over 20 years of experience and they know what thier doing..they read the blue prints of the engines..they check the specs on the blocks..they read engineer statements on the psi threshold on the these engines and the breaking strenght of the rods and pistons..the compression ratio..all these things and soooo much more..and while im not expert I have friends who are,are have worked around lots of tuners who know as well..and theres so many options of running a safe tuned car with stock internals..you just dont be a fuckin idiot about it....running 600 whp on stock internals sti isnt a good thing...shoving 21 lbs of boost on a reg basis on a ms3 isnt good..the brand new sti pistons are cast steel..so tuners will tell you right away..if you plan on going past stage 2=tbe+intake+tune..then you need to go forge cause they can crack....I cant count how many people are running "more than stock" hp on thier stock internal cars..My friend in Chehalis,Wa has 34,000 miles on this 450 hp daily driven 2008 r32...hes made several trips to cali in that car..and it run likes a champ and I could go on and and on and on..so anyways my point is yo dont alwas need forge internals..most of the time you dont...these motors these days are built very strong using modern technology..once you understand the limits of these platforms then you can decide if you need to upgrade..but to just say that you are wasting your money on a tune unless you do go forge sounds like a d-bag statement.

[SubieKiller3]

No Mid life the comment wasnt cause of you, your one of the more logical and common sence thinking members on these forums from what I have alwas seen of your comments-:D...and yes you right about direct injection..mercedes was using in 1955 I atleast know that,guess my point at that time was maybe the whole disi motor isnt mastered completly. anyways thats besides the point..Hearing a comment that not wasting money on a tune till you build a motor is rather retarded..yes if we all had money trees growing outside out our front yard and could just drop money like it was nothing,then hey why not build a motor. But living here in the northwest I have access to tuning shops like Surgeline,Ralitek,Perrin,Horsepower freaks and more...you have other places in the country like AMS or Buschur and many more who day after day are tuning Sti's,Evo's,ms3's,srt4's,GTR's,Supra's,wrx's,GTI's , and many many more WHO are running awesome power without upgrading the internals..some of these tuners-mechanics have over 20 years of experience and they know what thier doing..they read the blue prints of the engines..they check the specs on the blocks..they read engineer statements on the psi threshold on the these engines and the breaking strenght of the rods and pistons..the compression ratio..all these things and soooo much more..and while im not expert I have friends who are,are have worked around lots of tuners who know as well..and theres so many options of running a safe tuned car with stock internals..you just dont be a fuckin idiot about it....running 600 whp on stock internals sti isnt a good thing...shoving 21 lbs of boost on a reg basis on a ms3 isnt good..the brand new sti pistons are cast steel..so tuners will tell you right away..if you plan on going past stage 2=tbe+intake+tune..then you need to go forge cause they can crack....I cant count how many people are running "more than stock" hp on thier stock internal cars..My friend in Chehalis,Wa has 34,000 miles on this 450 hp daily driven 2008 r32...hes made several trips to cali in that car..and it run likes a champ and I could go on and and on and on..so anyways my point is yo dont alwas need forge internals..most of the time you dont...these motors these days are built very strong using modern technology..once you understand the limits of these platforms then you can decide if you need to upgrade..but to just say that you are wasting your money on a tune unless you do go forge sounds like a d-bag statement.
your the only dbag here for spending all that money and not even hitting 300hp. and no one cares. end of thread.

[mazdaspeedster3]

Hey, there is no need for name calling... If people want to tune, tune. If you want to build your motor first (bolt on mods are considered building/adding to the engine) then so be it... My goodness people...

[LOL WUT]

Im showing up a little late to the party but just wanted to say congrats on the new tune! Those are some very nice numbers!!!

[zx2man]

well 296 whp is pretty dam close to 300..and thats mustang dyno nevertheless and you knwo what toughguy how about you come down to brazilian jiu-jitsu of olympia and ask for David..im there mon-wed-friday from 7pm and 9pm..and well see who the dbag...like I isaid OLYMPIA,Washington...please pretty please..id love it!

[zx2man]

man i hate skumbags..i just wanna destroy them....BTW....Thank you LOL WUT...hope your doing well :)

[maestro]

Keep in mind Surgeline uses a Mustang Dyno. Not sure what you dyno'd on but my bet is that it was not a Mustang and probably a Dyno-Jet. Mustang Dyno reads 20-30% lower than a Dyno-Jet.



The measure of a car should allways be the owners' satisfaction. Dynos/numbers, as many people know, are simply a tuning tool. Many other factors affect dyno numbers and make it illogical to compare said numbers randomly.
My car has been on a Mustang Dyno as well as Dyno-Jet. Using the same tune and mods my lowest numbers are on a Dyno-Jet, by about 5%, however the temp and humidity were quite different.

Just stating my opinion, not directed at you Bravnik.

[maestro]

well 296 whp is pretty dam close to 300..and thats mustang dyno nevertheless and you knwo what toughguy how about you come down to brazilian jiu-jitsu of olympia and ask for David..im there mon-wed-friday from 7pm and 9pm..and well see who the dbag...like I isaid OLYMPIA,Washington...please pretty please..id love it!

My two cents.
ENJOY YOUR CAR and don't worry about negative comments.
Posts like the one I quoted above make you appear to be on the same douchebag level, don't let people get you so mad. Beating someone up because they post negative comments?

[mazdaspeedster3]

well 296 whp is pretty dam close to 300..and thats mustang dyno nevertheless and you knwo what toughguy how about you come down to brazilian jiu-jitsu of olympia and ask for David..im there mon-wed-friday from 7pm and 9pm..and well see who the dbag...like I isaid OLYMPIA,Washington...please pretty please..id love it!

No need to threaten people with physical violence over words on the internet... Goodness, nothing is that serious.

[chief_wiggum]

The measure of a car should allways be the owners' satisfaction.

+ a trillion.

[onelsono]

y doesnt everyone just do their own thing, nd stop worrying about everyone elses shit so much.. the guy got a good tune and hes happy with it, if hes happy with his car thas all that matters. and lets face it if sum1 tld u that his car, mazda or not, got a pro. tune at 15psi and its not ever hitting knock and running reall smooth,, wut would cause u to think hes indanger of blowing.. everything is the fukin same,, beat the shit out of it and dont treat it well or push it beyond its limits, ur askin to pop, if u dnt then ull be fine.. its all the same no matter wut car, bike, truk,, etc.. unless u have an stock sti then feel free to beat the fuck out of it everyday wit no probs lol

[zx2man]

well said maestro..and your are right..I honestly just hate arguing on the internet, I guess from multiple deployments in iraq, 3 years as correctional officer where I deal with bad attitudes all day me being a typical alpha male-hit the gym,martial arts,sports..that type of stuff..I get angry fast and dont like to put up with anyones crap..but anyways my apologies..I like ALOT of people on these forums!!..I really do..so many people on here no way more than I do..All I do is try to share my experiences through trial and error...I honestly think I didnt waste m money on a tune..cause I got a car that pulls very hard it quite fast and very reliable and im getting all that from only 15 psi..People are intitled to thier opinions I just wish people wouldnt be so negative...then when I feel attacked..it brings out the worse of me cause I have a super low tolerance..anyways..enough is enough..ill be cool :) and thank you everyone so very much for all your imput(drinks)

[maestro]

well said maestro..and your are right..I honestly just hate arguing on the internet, I guess from multiple deployments in iraq, 3 years as correctional officer where I deal with bad attitudes all day me being a typical alpha male-hit the gym,martial arts,sports..that type of stuff..I get angry fast and dont like to put up with anyones crap..but anyways my apologies..I like ALOT of people on these forums!!..I really do..so many people on here no way more than I do..All I do is try to share my experiences through trial and error...I honestly think I didnt waste m money on a tune..cause I got a car that pulls very hard it quite fast and very reliable and im getting all that from only 15 psi..People are intitled to thier opinions I just wish people wouldnt be so negative...then when I feel attacked..it brings out the worse of me cause I have a super low tolerance..anyways..enough is enough..ill be cool :) and thank you everyone so very much for all your imput(drinks)
Good for you and thanks for your service in the military.

On topic I had similar issues before getting the AP tuned. I had a lean spot around 5k, just above, and discovered my fuel pump needs upgrading before I safely (IMO) use a 19 PSI map. I get better mileage on the 17 PSI map I currently run than I did untuned and the car has a great A/F ratio across the board. A custom tune is worth the peace of mind and benefits longevity IMO.

Lastly, work on your spelling! :D

[zx2man]

yeah im carious on my current mpg since the tune..but been putting my foot into it more cause its fun...therefore totaly ruining the good gas mpg factor..spelling? haha yeah its called typing too fast.

[Design]

your the only dbag here for spending all that money and not even hitting 300hp. and no one cares. end of thread.

I really don't get this comment, aside from the fact it was written from the point of view of a 12 year old, lol.

From a tuning perspective, peak HP is irrelevant. OP has a very linear power curve all the way to 6K, trailing off slightly through 6.3K. That's a very respectable tune IMO.



zx2man, I hate to ruin your parade, but I have the same mods as you and no tune with stock boost and I dynoed two weeks ago 294whp/304wtq in 92F.
My mods: TurboXS downpipe, TurboXS FMIC, Corksport Inlet & intake, Turbosmart bov.

I don't disagree, but it would be interesting to see your dyno graph and compare the power curves. AVERAGE power can be much more important than peak power. The stock tune limits drivability within the 3-5.5K range. A good aftermarket tune will expand that area by as much as 1.2K. That might not mean much if all you do is accelerate at WOT down a straight line. But track cars and DD's can greatly benefit from a broad/linear power curve.

Just my 2 cents. :)

[Antonio DiMarco]

Just got back from Portland,Oregon....WOW glad to be done driving actrully hehe. First off.. hats off to Surgeline...great job...Tim Baily is extremly talented..very professional too!...It took about 3 hours of tuning time to get it right..was running alittle lean and my knock was present during high rpms. My best pull was 296 whp and 322 wtq..But Tim said lets lighten it up alittle and make it alittle more safer, so with a super conservative 17 psi tune, numers are: 291 whp and 310 wtq...still quite good on this small turbo...whats amazing is how effecient this small turbo is..cause Tim also made me a 15 psi map just incase I wanted to run even lower..and that map is still pulling 284 whp and 306 wtq...But im running the 17 pis map now and it feels good..flirting with 300 whp and having only a few bolt ons to me is pretty good stuff..and ofcourse this tune is very safe and reliable..safe on the engine..the car feels just sooo much smoother and linear!!...Im very happy..I took some pics when I could so here ya go. I should be getting a video soon. Anyways the car is running really good and Iam very happy :)

Kudos for modding the RIGHT way. Enjoy it and don't listen to any of these idiots. They'll be the same people who will cry when their car goes boom because they don't know what they're doing.