problem with msp [Archive]

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 12:49 AM

i recently put a fmic on my msp and i have found some oil in my pipes and i have no clue how its getting in there. and my bov is not even working. it seems like i dont have enough psi to open the valve. the noise comes out of the air filter on my short ram intake. it flutters alot and the noise doesnt come out of the bov. i know its nothing wrong with the turbo because i recently got it rebuilt. any suggestions on how to fix this problem??

BlkWidow

08-26-2009, 12:53 AM

is it in the pipe below the turbo or on the other side of th intercooler?

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 01:03 AM

well at first it was coming out of the pipe before the intercooler. then got the turbo rebuilt. and now its coming out of the pipe right after the intercooler leading up to the maf. im really thinkin its something with the bov thats making this do this. not sure though

BlkWidow

08-26-2009, 01:04 AM

did you clean out the intercooler after the rebuild?

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 01:10 AM

yeah. i cleaned everything out real good! and i am really concerned why my bov isnt working. it like backfires the air back out the intake out the air filter. u can hear it come out of it. its a turbo xs type rfl. and i know there not suppose to flutter but thats what i hear.

BlkWidow

08-26-2009, 01:15 AM

sounds like your getting blow back thru the turbo, check to make sure that all your vac lines are tight. Then you need to check and see if the bov is working, I would try and still out of boost when driving. With the turbo being rebuilt to mucj blow back may cause you to have it rebuilt again if you have damaged the seals. check for leaks or loose hose.

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 01:19 AM

alright i will check asap. thank you. any ideas on any certain vacuum lines to check possibly?

BlkWidow

08-26-2009, 01:23 AM

check everything to be on the safe side, how old is the bov?

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 01:26 AM

StealthWyvern

08-26-2009, 01:39 AM

i got the bov about 4 months ago. i got it brand new. im thinkin it could be to tight or something. a mechanic told me that when i put a fmic on the car it electronically puts down the boost about a pound or so. so maybe my boost is to low and it cant open the bov so it blows back through or something. do u think i should get a boost controller and gauge and maybe up the psi a little bit and see what that does?

Whaaa...? Are cars are not controlled by a electronic boost controller! Its all by the WGA and intake mani presure. I think he means a presure drop due to the larger core when compared to stock.

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 01:52 AM

yea. just havin trouble understanding what he meant. just tryin to get my bov to work correctly

StealthWyvern

08-26-2009, 02:14 AM

yea. just havin trouble understanding what he meant. just tryin to get my bov to work correctly

I know this may sound stupid but is the vac line hooked up properly?

orng1

08-26-2009, 06:05 AM

I know this may sound stupid but is the vac line hooked up properly?

(uhm)

StealthWyvern

08-26-2009, 06:07 AM

(uhm)

lol yeah I know that sounded stupid but you never know the vac line might have a crack, not on fully, ect.. ect... Hell it might even be connected at the BOV but not on the other end.

orng1

08-26-2009, 06:11 AM

Seems so simple, you'd think they'd check it before complaining about the problem on the forum.

I have had some problems but i try and try to figure it out on my own. So far I've been pretty good.

StealthWyvern

08-26-2009, 06:13 AM

Seems so simple, you'd think they'd check it before complaining about the problem on the forum.

I have had some problems but i try and try to figure it out on my own. So far I've been pretty good.

True but often its the little simple crap that gets over looked!. My uncle and I trouble shooted his "new" srt-4 to hell wouldn't have it. Turns out we fixed a bunch of little things in the process but his boost gauge was bad. lol We tested it with mine and his was only reading 9lbs of boost and on mine 14-15lbs..

orng1

08-26-2009, 06:15 AM

Stupid boost gauges going out, I replaced my friends with an autometer one then fixed it and he put the SRT one into his MSP.

StealthWyvern

08-26-2009, 06:16 AM

Stupid boost gauges going out, I replaced my friends with an autometer one then fixed it and he put the SRT one into his MSP.

haha the srt ones are natorious for going bad or well the srt guys say they are complete crap.

orng1

08-26-2009, 06:18 AM

They are auto meter gauges, they just need to be cleaned out every once in a while. The SRT doesn't have the best tuning, it goes through a lot of oil out of that PCV.

StealthWyvern

08-26-2009, 06:20 AM

They are auto meter gauges, they just need to be cleaned out every once in a while. The SRT doesn't have the best tuning, it goes through a lot of oil out of that PCV.

we have noticed that and fuel as well on a dual CC setup.

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 03:35 PM

yeah i checked the vac lines. all are connected and in the right place. but yeah even something stupid like a vac line can mess up everything. lol

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 04:21 PM

How many washers are in your RFL bov? You do know that depending on the number of washers, that will determine at what boost level the bov will open at.. if you have no washers in, it's not going to open. If you have three in, it will open great at 10 psi. If you have four washers, that would be sufficient for stock boost to 8 psi.

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 04:43 PM

i have one washer in right now. so should i put about 4 in then?

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 04:46 PM

since i have stock boost

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 04:47 PM

Yeah, because right now I have three in with a GT28RS and it doesn't open all the way until 10-12 psi. I'd try 4, you'll definitely see/hear a difference.

since i have stock boost

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 04:53 PM

well like my bov doesnt even work at all. like i have put from zero to 5 washers in and still nothing. i recently got a fmic kit from altered customs. does your bov flutter or a straight psht. cause i hear a flutter noise but its not coming from the bov. its coming back out the intake out the air filter.

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 04:58 PM

I sell the FMIC kits, but I also run my own kit on my car and I have the same BOV as you too. The flutter you hear is your intake, could be your bov just barely opening, are you really getting into the boost when you release off the gas to hear the bov? Mine won't really make any noise unless I get on it into the higher boost. I'll hear a little psshh but it will only do the big whoopshhhh when I'm in higher boost.

well like my bov doesnt even work at all. like i have put from zero to 5 washers in and still nothing. i recently got a fmic kit from altered customs. does your bov flutter or a straight psht. cause i hear a flutter noise but its not coming from the bov. its coming back out the intake out the air filter.

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 05:03 PM

You also mentioned your turbo is rebuilt. What type of turbo do you have? Depending on the size of the turbo, that will determine your boost as far as what psi is equal to the stock psi on a turbo other than stock.. hope that's not confusing.. just saying if your turbo is different than stock, your psi may be different. My GT28RS can boost at 5 psi and feel like 8 to 10 psi with the stock turbo.

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 05:03 PM

yeah like when i shift high in boost it has a big psht and flutters right after. i think i might have a vacum hose not on right. since u sell the kits. i have a question. since i replaced my bpv with the blow off valve. the stock bpv was connected to some vac lines. on the stock plastic pipe there was a place where a vacuum hose connected from the top of the moter. since i replaced the plastic with the hard pipes i have no where for that hose to go. where do i put it? cause right now its just hangin there and cant figure out where to put it.

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 05:04 PM

yeah i got my stock turbo rebuilt

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 05:08 PM

That may be your problem.. is the hose just sitting there, still attached to the top of the intake manifold but not attached to anything? That will cause a vacuum leak.. I would just take all the extra stuff off from where you had your bpv. From the BOV, you should have a vacuum line that can have it's own source from the intake manifold.

Also, the place that has the vacuum line that goes to the nipple on the right side of the valve cover (if you're standing in front of your car looking at it) can be taken off and a breather filter can be put there instead.

yeah like when i shift high in boost it has a big psht and flutters right after. i think i might have a vacum hose not on right. since u sell the kits. i have a question. since i replaced my bpv with the blow off valve. the stock bpv was connected to some vac lines. on the stock plastic pipe there was a place where a vacuum hose connected from the top of the moter. since i replaced the plastic with the hard pipes i have no where for that hose to go. where do i put it? cause right now its just hangin there and cant figure out where to put it.

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 05:12 PM

yeah my line from my manifold is connected but the line from my valve cover on the right side of the motor is just hangin there. is that bad? would it cause the problems im having?

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 05:13 PM

(uhm) With the same type of internals?! Hmm... I always thought it wasn't possible to rebuild the stock turbo because it's a ball-bearing center housing rotating assembly? What was wrong with your turbo?

yeah i got my stock turbo rebuilt

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 05:15 PM

I'd take off that line and put a breather filter on. It's not going to hurt anything.. but you may get some oil blowby inside there. It wouldn't be causing your problems though. Have you checked to make sure everything is tight, the couplers/clamps, etc? Just sounds like it can't build up pressure like it should.

yeah my line from my manifold is connected but the line from my valve cover on the right side of the motor is just hangin there. is that bad? would it cause the problems im having?

RedlineMSP

08-26-2009, 05:18 PM

yeah i gave my turbo to garret and they rebuilt the whole thing. i had to get it rebuilt because i blew the ceals. but im still getting oil in my pipes after getting in rebuilt. do u get oil in your pipes at all?

Metallic36

08-26-2009, 05:41 PM

The only time that happened to me was when I didn't have one of my hotside pipes tight enough and it was disconnected. I got back home and there was oil all inside the hot side, on my bov, etc. Cleaned it up, made sure everything was tight, never had a problem since.

yeah i gave my turbo to garret and they rebuilt the whole thing. i had to get it rebuilt because i blew the ceals. but im still getting oil in my pipes after getting in rebuilt. do u get oil in your pipes at all?

RedlineMSP

08-27-2009, 04:19 PM

maybe i should retighten all my pipes then

mazdaspeedp

08-28-2009, 04:14 AM

hey did you just ship it to garret? how much did it cost i say you should check your pipes maybe you need new clamps i know mine were just replaced cuz they were stripped from being under load for so long they just wear out

Metallic36

08-28-2009, 06:39 AM

His clamps are brand new, t-bolt clamps. Mine were put on a looong time ago and I have yet for even one to wear out.

hey did you just ship it to garret? how much did it cost i say you should check your pipes maybe you need new clamps i know mine were just replaced cuz they were stripped from being under load for so long they just wear out

RedlineMSP

08-30-2009, 01:17 AM

yeah i shipped it to garret. it cost a little over 700 for a full rebuild. they replace everything! except the housing of course. but they clean it and repaint it and everything. all u have to do is drop it in and its good to go. but i found out why i had all those problems. it turns out my bov is broken. it wont open. so i sent it in and im getting a new one since i had my warranty still. found out that it was broken from the start. brand new out of the box. but yeah everything should be running perfect once i get the new bov in the mail

orng1

08-30-2009, 01:19 AM

You had a stock BPV or after market BOV go bad, which one if so?

RedlineMSP

08-30-2009, 01:21 AM

i had my after market go bad.

orng1

08-30-2009, 01:25 AM

So tell us, which one?

mazdaspeedp

08-31-2009, 01:24 PM

nice why are all these people here saying you cant rebuild the t25? i just talked to alamo and they said 590$ to rebuild my turbo and it is a t25 just the regular stock one

Metallic36

08-31-2009, 04:40 PM

Weird.. maybe it's something that someone can't do at home, it takes a shop with the knowledge, tools, parts, etc. to rebuild. Dunno.

nice why are all these people here saying you cant rebuild the t25? i just talked to alamo and they said 590$ to rebuild my turbo and it is a t25 just the regular stock one

Metallic36

08-31-2009, 04:41 PM

its a turbo xs type rfl.

RedlineMSP

10-21-2009, 06:59 PM

ok so i ran into another problem. i went to get my emissions done to get new plates and they cant read the tests cause my ecu wont work. it read only one out of the seven tests. i unplugged my battery for the night. about 9 hours and my check engine light wont come back on and my ecu just wont work. i drove it about 600 miles now and its still not working. any ideas of what i should do to fix this??????