433WHP Mazdaspeed 3

[Lil_vicious559]

:eek:
Wonder if this is anyone's MS3 on here. You surely have a Nice fast MS3

433 WHP
440 TRQ
125hp wet kit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlsQ5XXCUuk&feature=related

[GhostMercury]

I would HAVE to see a dyno sheet

[CnoTataymo]

Don't you just love hearing the MS3 go from like 2000rpm to 6700 in like 2 seconds? Haha.

[Captain KRM P5]

this is speed3shon's car

[Sport6]

http://i30.tinypic.com/11m7xqe.jpg

[slowex98]

dang is it safe to run wet kits on our cars

[Sport6]

I am pretty sure that Shon's motor is built so that can't really be answered.. but I would say no on the stock motor.

Truboost was going to test that but had to sell the car and now the new owner blew it up.

[slowex98]

well that sucks so a 50 shot would not be fine as long as it did not lean out

[clos561]

(squinty) nitrous oxide fzw

[GoFast]

well that sucks so a 50 shot would not be fine as long as it did not lean out


huh?

[MazdaBoi318]

what turbo is he using?

[Sport6]

what turbo is he using?

GT3071r @ 20psi

[spoolin_05]

(squinty) nitrous oxide fzw

I'd like to see what hp you are at running 28 psi...

[Captain KRM P5]

I am pretty sure that Shon's motor is built so that can't really be answered.. but I would say no on the stock motor.

Truboost was going to test that but had to sell the car and now the new owner blew it up.

shon's motor is built. arias pistons in 8.8 to 1 compression with pauter rods, tuned on accessport.

[clos561]

I'd like to see what hp you are at running 28 psi...

i have vids on the other site

[spoolin_05]

Are u the same name?

[SPEEDYHANS]

Men and that is just a bottom end billed imagen a fully bullit mottor .

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Nice numbers but kind of cheating using a wet Nos kit.. what´s the real numbers without using the Juice ?

[oaklandopen]

Nice numbers but kind of cheating using a wet Nos kit.. what´s the real numbers without using the Juice ?

come on how is that cheating? it's a modification just like all the other stuff so you'd have to call that stuff cheating too, since it's no longer in factory condition

personally i think that hp would have been better suited in the awd ms6 (unless of course that drivetrain could never handle that kind of power)

[Circle9]

Hmmm, I wonder how much power I can make with a 300 shot on my S2000?

[tunersteve]

Nice numbers but kind of cheating using a wet Nos kit.. what´s the real numbers without using the Juice ?

That's not cheating any more than putting a turbo on a car. Nice numbers.

[GoFast]

Nice numbers but kind of cheating using a wet Nos kit.. what´s the real numbers without using the Juice ?

433 hp is 433hp...no matter how it is achieved, it is what it is.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

come on how is that cheating? it's a modification just like all the other stuff so you'd have to call that stuff cheating too, since it's no longer in factory condition

personally i think that hp would have been better suited in the awd ms6 (unless of course that drivetrain could never handle that kind of power)

Well i think more than one in here took my humble opinion too personal i believe. Well like i said nice numbers but no pride if you ask me. anybody can basically add a wet, dry, direct port or what ever you call all of the available kits and make nice numbers with 50,100,300 shot nos after the juice is gone you come back to reality. i mean it´s a nice addition tho.

[GoFast]

Well i think more than one in here took my humble opinion too personal i believe. Well like i said nice numbers but no pride if you ask me. anybody can basically add a wet, dry, direct port or what ever you call all of the available kits and make nice numbers with 50,100,300 shot nos after the juice is gone you come back to reality. i mean it´s a nice addition tho.


I dont think anybody took anything personally. They just disagreed with you.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

433 hp is 433hp...no matter how it is achieved, it is what it is.

totally agree on that, no doubt. don´t get me wrong no hard feelings in here you know.

[Captain KRM P5]

Men and that is just a bottom end billed imagen a fully bullit mottor .

how much more built are you talking? head work? there really isn't much more one can do aside from what was done on this engine thats going to make a real difference.

[Reyan]

how is he putting that power down to the asphalt, ms3's don't launch too great without spinning through the first three gears, i'm sure he's a killer from a roll.

[tunersteve]

how is he putting that power down to the asphalt, ms3's don't launch too great without spinning through the first three gears, i'm sure he's a killer from a roll.

I'm sure the launch control helps a little bit...

[Reyan]

I'm sure the launch control helps a little bit...

Hopefully, I would like to see a video of his launch.

[PCspeed3]

I think this is the last platform I would shoot for 400whp on.....Evo X does five hundo on the stock block.......im just sayin'.....

[GoFast]

i think the platform is fine. I just dont think anybody has truly mastered the ecu yet on it. One big thing that has been brought up and I am interested in following more is the RPM at which peak tq is made at. Think about how many of hte blown engines have blown at low rpm...

[Circle9]

I think this is the last platform I would shoot for 400whp on.....Evo X does five hundo on the stock block.......im just sayin'.....

And people have done 700 whp on a stock S2000 engine block. But most high numbers on stock S2000 blocks settle around the low 500's.

You can't really make use of that much power on a fwd, you're just going to constantly be spinning.

[Sport6]

And people have done 700 whp on a stock S2000 engine block. But most high numbers on stock S2000 blocks settle around the low 500's.

You can't really make use of that much power on a fwd, you're just going to constantly be spinning.

Ok now you are turning into a troll.(fight)

[_MSprotegy]

the way anyone manages 400+ hp in any fwd car is called roll racing. if they want to do digs or run at the track they use slicks. problem solved. ppl pushing that much power in a fwd know better than to call someone out on the streets without being prepared.
hell most evo and sti guys out there pushing big numbers wont run from a dig cause they are to scared of breaking stuff.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

And people have done 700 whp on a stock S2000 engine block. But most high numbers on stock S2000 blocks settle around the low 500's.

You can't really make use of that much power on a fwd, you're just going to constantly be spinning.

Well i don´t agree with you at all based on my personal experience. yes you can manage that power and more on a fwd, you just need to know how to play with the clutch and power and know how to race. theres lots of people that think having power on a fwd car is useless i can say to all those people they just don´t know. I´ve beat lot´s of car from a dig not to mention rolling where i race the most because there is where the fun is at. fwd car are faster rolling than any rwd or awd, using good griping tires and knowing how to drive solve most of the traction proplems also a combination of stuff to prevent help and sometimes solve, Good Suspension, Good motor mounts, Engine damper, good tires and a good driver.

[Circle9]

Ok now you are turning into a troll.(fight)

Hehe, I am just bored waiting around for people to buy all my used parts. Once I sell them off, I'll leave for s2ki.com :)

[Reyan]

the way anyone manages 400+ hp in any fwd car is called roll racing. if they want to do digs or run at the track they use slicks. problem solved. ppl pushing that much power in a fwd know better than to call someone out on the streets without being prepared.
hell most evo and sti guys out there pushing big numbers wont run from a dig cause they are to scared of breaking stuff.

Evo and Sti guys are putting the power down to 4 wheels, i've seen fwd cars running in the 10's, the thing is I don't know of any axles, gears,etc for our car's capable of holding that much power.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Evo and Sti guys are putting the power down to 4 wheels, i've seen fwd cars running in the 10's, the thing is I don't know of any axles, gears,etc for our car's capable of holding that much power.


Might not be available for the MS3 or MS6 community for sure they do for us Protege owners as long as you spin some tires you wont break anything

[tunersteve]

They're still developing a lot of these parts for the MS3/MS6. There are beefier axles available, and I'm sure any serious transmission shop could build you a trans. that can hold the extra power.

[08SPEED3Veteran]

Any joe snuffy can have a 400hp+ car, but it takes time and experience to get to know the feel for how to drive your car. I have friends i went on deployment with who came back and blew money on modded evos and sti's and although they are beautiful cars, watching them drive is like watching hellen keller run an obstacle course! hell i got in my buddies 350z and i stalled twice around the block!

[GoFast]

this whole thing about not being able to run 400, 700, 1000 hp in a fwd is so overplayed and wrong. have any of you people ever been to an actual drag strip and seen NHRA's sport compact series? There are 6-7 second cars there running 1000+ hp on a fwd platform. It's like any car out there whether it's fwd, rwd or awd, it's all about how it's set up.


P.S. Keep the street racing references out of here

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

this whole thing about not being able to run 400, 700, 1000 hp in a fwd is so overplayed and wrong. have any of you people ever been to an actual drag strip and seen NHRA's sport compact series? There are 6-7 second cars there running 1000+ hp on a fwd platform. It's like any car out there whether it's fwd, rwd or awd, it's all about how it's set up.


P.S. Keep the street racing references out of here


well atleast me i didn´t say anything about Street Racing, I actually live in Spain and in here we have lot´s of racing tracks and private roads owned by people where they test they exotic cars and their race cars after their preps..

[tunersteve]

well atleast me i didn´t say anything about Street Racing, I actually live in Spain and in here we have lot´s of racing tracks and private roads owned by people where they test they exotic cars and their race cars after their preps..

We know you live in Spain...he wasn't citing you directly, but there were other mentions of street racing.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

We know you live in Spain...he wasn't citing you directly, but there were other mentions of street racing.

oh ok, just making sure because last time i mentioned something like it i got bashed hardcored just making sure and explaining my situation ..

[Lil_vicious559]

Well i don´t agree with you at all based on my personal experience. yes you can manage that power and more on a fwd, you just need to know how to play with the clutch and power and know how to race.

That sounds like a typical RICER statement.


theres lots of people that think having power on a fwd car is useless i can say to all those people they just don´t know. I´ve beat lot´s of car from a dig not to mention rolling where i race the most because there is where the fun is at.

The real platform of a car drag racing is the Almighty RWD/AWD



fwd car are faster rolling than any rwd or awd, using good griping tires and knowing how to drive solve most of the traction proplems also a combination of stuff to prevent help and sometimes solve, Good Suspension, Good motor mounts, Engine damper, good tires and a good driver.

Wow you need to do some research and learn more about racing. FWD car's don't always mean they win from a roll against RWD/AWD cars. Car's that Trap high in the 1/4mile determine who win from a roll.

For instance if i have a

95 Civic EG hatch with a K20swap built with only 315whp, but i run 12.8 because of traction. And i trap 116mph. and i go against a stock RWD LS2 GTO and run 12.8 the same 1/4mile time but it only traps 110mph.

Guess what the EG hatch is going to tear the GTO's ass apart from a roll.


Now if i had a STi with 320AWHP trapping 120mph vs the hatch. It's bye bye hatch. regardless of FWD/AWD/RWD.

120mph>116 traps
116mph>110 traps

[PCspeed3]

Hehe, I am just bored waiting around for people to buy all my used parts. Once I sell them off, I'll leave for s2ki.com :)

Nice dude, I would love to get an s2k for my next ride, your 500whp comment earlier is not making waiting easy........(unamused)

[Reyan]

Might not be available for the MS3 or MS6 community for sure they do for us Protege owners as long as you spin some tires you wont break anything

TBK broke his axle on the line, then ran low 11's in his Protege after he changed it, once you build shit your gonna break don't matter what you drive.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

TBK broke his axle on the line, then ran low 11's in his Protege after he changed it, once you build shit your gonna break don't matter what you drive.

TBK Performance snap their axle after who knows how many track passes they´ve done with those axles, also their protege isn´t a MSP which the Axles are thicker, I run DSS Level 2 Axles and i can tell you they will hold what ever you trow at them. trust me i know everything about TBK and how they work and what they do.

[daonly1around]

http://www.vivid-motorsports.com/

you're gonna start seeing higher numbers when these become more available. Darrel Cox racing is doing one as well.

[Reyan]

TBK Performance snap their axle after who knows how many track passes they´ve done with those axles, also their protege isn´t a MSP which the Axles are thicker, I run DSS Level 2 Axles and i can tell you they will hold what ever you trow at them. trust me i know everything about TBK and how they work and what they do.

It don't matter if your driving a speed or not, their's is a full race car so I'm guessing they are using high performance axle's, I'm sure you broke shit before you got your car to where it is today. I don't know anything about those guy's, I'm just saying what I saw at the track.

[daonly1around]

Maybe you don't have enough power to snap the axles, one day you'll probably up the power enough to snap them.

you must not know this guys car...

[Reyan]

you must not know this guys car...

I don't know his car, but I have never seen anyone build a car and not break shit in the process, and I have been around car's since the 80's.

[BoostedSpd6]

http://www.vivid-motorsports.com/

you're gonna start seeing higher numbers when these become more available. Darrel Cox racing is doing one as well.

Hell yeah!!! i keep hearing good things about this kit.. cant wait for it to come out..


I don't know his car, but I have never seen anyone build a car and not break shit in the process, and I have been around car's since the 80's.

(mswerd)

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

It don't matter if your driving a speed or not, their's is a full race car so I'm guessing they are using high performance axle's, I'm sure you broke shit before you got your car to where it is today. I don't know anything about those guy's, I'm just saying what I saw at the track.

They don´t run any racing axles just stock LX Axles which are even weaker than the MSP ones, and their car isn´t a race car either. it´s a regular Protege LX with their Highboost Kit. I know because i worked with them building my car in the past.. They did my car and engine from head to toe and i basically know what they use and what they do.

and about breaking shit like you have mentioned above nothing have been broken yet considering i´ve done 515whp and 409lbs torque on my last dyno. if you still think i don´t have enough power yet to break axles and way more stuff please let me know how Many HP will

[08SPEED3Veteran]

Hell yeah!!! i keep hearing good things about this kit.. cant wait for it to come out..



(mswerd)

can i ask what exactly this injection kit does?

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I don't know his car, but I have never seen anyone build a car and not break shit in the process, and I have been around car's since the 80's.

I´ll have to knock on wood then because my car have been in excellent shape for the past 2 years without any breakage, including Transmission, LSD, Axles, engine ETC... i´m currently on my second build basically because i´m going to a higher stage to get more HP out of this new build of mine not because anything broke. I think it all matters how you build it, who build it and your driving habbits, i´ve seen people with lot less HP and breaking transmission from left to right, blowing the engine as well. even tho every car is a whole different story even with same performance mods.

[Reyan]

I´ll have to knock on wood then because my car have been in excellent shape for the past 2 years without any breakage, including Transmission, LSD, Axles, engine ETC... i´m currently on my second build basically because i´m going to a higher stage to get more HP out of this new build of mine not because anything broke. I think it all matters how you build it, who build it and your driving habbits, i´ve seen people with lot less HP and breaking transmission from left to right, blowing the engine as well. even tho every car is a whole different story even with same performance mods.

Finally you see my point, I'm sure you broke stuff in the past, but after a few mishaps you tend to know your car a little better, but you just never know when something is gonna break.

[Reyan]

They don´t run any racing axles just stock LX Axles which are even weaker than the MSP ones, and their car isn´t a race car either. it´s a regular Protege LX with their Highboost Kit. I know because i worked with them building my car in the past.. They did my car and engine from head to toe and i basically know what they use and what they do.

and about breaking shit like you have mentioned above nothing have been broken yet considering i´ve done 515whp and 409lbs torque on my last dyno. if you still think i don´t have enough power yet to break axles and way more stuff please let me know how Many HP will

As I said I don't know your car and I don't know those guy's, I was just saying what I saw at the track. But as you said you've been lucky to find the right combination.

[daonly1around]

can i ask what exactly this injection kit does?

puts like an plate with extra injectors between the head and block, and they clamp the signal to the stock ecu and use a piggy back or some sort too control the fuel that the secondary injectors are using

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Finally you see my point, I'm sure you broke stuff in the past, but after a few mishaps you tend to know your car a little better, but you just never know when something is gonna break.

Well as i said before i haven´t broke anything yet. when you build your car or engine you need to know what exactly do you want to have and do and what for you from it. I went with a 35R turbo which produces more power from mid to top end putting less stress to the gears, lsd and other engine and car components, people using smaller turbos they are blowing up gears, lsd´s and engines. Having a fast spooling turbo give you instant responds but they run out of air up top where the fun is at and not forgeting the amount of stress you are putting to the mentioned components. I think what you really need to do is plan what you want and use the right components like i said before as long as you spin some tires you won´t have problems, i really don´t have issues launching or racing from a dig even tho i launch at 26 PSI and i´m not using good tires at all and my launching is perfect basically because i know how to play with the clutch when it´s needed i just need to keep my car on street tires to prevent breakage very simple. AWD Systems are more flagile when launching i´ve seen people with Sti´s and Evo´s Launching at 6-7k rpm and snapping basically everything from axles, to Clucths´and Differentials i must say lauching is a matter of a driver thing.

[08SPEED3Veteran]

puts like an plate with extra injectors between the head and block, and they clamp the signal to the stock ecu and use a piggy back or some sort too control the fuel that the secondary injectors are using

so basically no more fuel cut, less work for the factory fuel pump, and more power possibilities as long as you take proper measures in tuning and forged internals...am i on the right track?

[daonly1around]

what i stated is about all i know, i don't really know details on how or why it works.

[Reyan]

Well as i said before i haven´t broke anything yet. when you build your car or engine you need to know what exactly do you want to have and do and what for you from it. I went with a 35R turbo which produces more power from mid to top end putting less stress to the gears, lsd and other engine and car components, people using smaller turbos they are blowing up gears, lsd´s and engines. Having a fast spooling turbo give you instant responds but they run out of air up top where the fun is at and not forgeting the amount of stress you are putting to the mentioned components. I think what you really need to do is plan what you want and use the right components like i said before as long as you spin some tires you won´t have problems, i really don´t have issues launching or racing from a dig even tho i launch at 26 PSI and i´m not using good tires at all and my launching is perfect basically because i know how to play with the clutch when it´s needed i just need to keep my car on street tires to prevent breakage very simple. AWD Systems are more flagile when launching i´ve seen people with Sti´s and Evo´s Launching at 6-7k rpm and snapping basically everything from axles, to Clucths´and Differentials i must say lauching is a matter of a driver thing.



I'm not disagreeing with you, hell I broke my axle just because of stupidness, but some people basically say I want to go fast and just add part's like they're making a soup or something,lol. first you got to have a goal and then work towards it, I would like to go build a fast speed 6 but I havn't seen anyone out there making the parts for what I would like to do, i.e. axle, driveshaft, gears etc. but maybe in the future I will get the parts I will need. I want to build a car that would run consistent, not break every other race.

[tunersteve]

Here's a great idea...how bout we actually get back on topic?!?

I've read enough about how FWD is the greatest and this and that blah blah blah.

Anyone got the mod list for this car?

[Lil_vicious559]

Here's a great idea...how bout we actually get back on topic?!?

I've read enough about how FWD is the greatest and this and that blah blah blah.

Anyone got the mod list for this car?


(mswerd)

[BoostedSpd6]

according to ford engine tests the engine is good for 500+ the weak link is the trans.

(uhm):confused: the weak link is ford.

[Danz]

according to ford engine tests the engine is good for 500+ the weak link is the trans.

[Captain KRM P5]

Here's a great idea...how bout we actually get back on topic?!?

I've read enough about how FWD is the greatest and this and that blah blah blah.

Anyone got the mod list for this car?

GT30
Arias 8.8 to 1 Compression Pistons
Pauter Rods
Cobb AccessPORT
150 wet shot

[Lil_vicious559]

Wonder what he would put down with out the wet kit.

[martyxcore]

so basically no more fuel cut, less work for the factory fuel pump, and more power possibilities as long as you take proper measures in tuning and forged internals...am i on the right track?

i think you 2 idiots need to look back at what you just said. it goes between the head and the block? have you even looked under your hood before. this is a PORT INJECTION set up.

[08SPEED3Veteran]

i think you 2 idiots need to look back at what you just said. it goes between the head and the block? have you even looked under your hood before. this is a PORT INJECTION set up.

Im not a mechanic hence the question mark at the end of my statement. instead of being a prick and calling people idiots, how about you offer some constructive advice?

[Lil_vicious559]

Im not a mechanic hence the question mark at the end of my statement. instead of being a prick and calling people idiots, how about you offer some constructive advice?

Just leave it be man. If he wanted to offer constructive advice he would have, instead of bashing insults

[GoFast]

i think you 2 idiots need to look back at what you just said. it goes between the head and the block? have you even looked under your hood before. this is a PORT INJECTION set up.

No need to be a dick. warning issued

[Lil_vicious559]

No need to be a dick. warning issued

(mswerd)

[tunersteve]

No need to be a dick. warning issued

Well played sir!

[Ricktalife]

I am pretty sure that Shon's motor is built so that can't really be answered.. but I would say no on the stock motor.

Truboost was going to test that but had to sell the car and now the new owner blew it up.

whoaaaaaaaaaaa axis blew up truboost's MS3?!?!? that SUCKS! is he gonna get it rebuilt?

[Captain KRM P5]

whoaaaaaaaaaaa axis blew up truboost's MS3?!?!? that SUCKS! is he gonna get it rebuilt?

yeah he blew it up. last i heard from axis was he planned to build it next spring.

[axisboldaslove]

yeah he blew it up. last i heard from axis was he planned to build it next spring.

yeah it blew up...i am starting to slowly tear the motor down this week...wait for the tax return in the spring to buy the forged bottom end from Ken

[mzspd3soffl]

yeah it blew up...i am starting to slowly tear the motor down this week...wait for the tax return in the spring to buy the forged bottom end from Ken

Jackk ass blew it up, yup. everytime axis speaks i jus think (stfu) hahahaha. damn bro. still disappointing to me. u had it for like 2 months. mayb not even. wow. (smash)

[Captain KRM P5]

hey, shit happens, ya know?

[axisboldaslove]

Jackk ass blew it up, yup. everytime axis speaks i jus think (stfu) hahahaha. damn bro. still disappointing to me. u had it for like 2 months. mayb not even. wow. (smash)

gives me a better excuse to put more money into it