MSP 2731 Goes Forged

[MSP 2731]

Well my car is almost all put back together so it seems like the time to document the journey she has been on. It started many moons ago in the later half of 2007 when I had my intake mani Jet-Hot coated. Some of the coating clogged the vacuum nipple that I was running my wastegate off of which caused my car to over boost like crazy (almost hit 20 psi the first time I drove it after the mani install which felt amazing till I hit fuel cut..) and I ended up bending a rod before I figured out the problem. I started it up one morning and heard a knocking coming from the engine and had it towed straight to the shop. That was the last time she was running. I never planned on forging my motor but figured I could either, replace the bent rod with another stock one and hope I didn’t bend another one or worse in the future or I could go forged and not worry about bending any more rods. So for most of 2008 I accumulated parts and sometime around the end of the year sent the motor off to the machine shop. I got it back a couple months later and have been putting the girl back together slowly but surely ever since. BIG THANKS to JDM Sam for the rods, pistons, all the other goodies and awesome support! Now for my favorite part of any thread, the pictures!!

Parts
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Kristenscamera164.jpg
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Kristenscamera160.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/enginebuildparts007.jpg

Motor comes back from the machine shop
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1238165990.jpg

Exedy stage 1 clutch & Fidanza lightweight flywheel
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1238165933.jpg

Medieval lightweight pulleys
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1239197008.jpg

Putting her back together begins…
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1239290897.jpg

Motor goes up…
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1239290655.jpg

…then comes down
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1239290688.jpg

Motor back in with Steedspeed turbo manifold, Street Unit transmission mount & Medieval side engine mount
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1239369238.jpg

Turbolife FMIC, dropped on Eibach Sportlines, hood comes back from the paint shop & lights sent off to get tinted
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/FMIC002.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/FMIC003.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/FMIC004.jpg

Lights come back from getting tinted, vacuum lines hooked back up, Xcelerated Concepts trunk painted
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/almostdone002.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/almostdone003.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/almostdone006.jpg

This is the first time I’ve ever had a motor forged and is the most work I’ve ever done to a car. We have a couple more lose ends to tie up before firing her up but I’m hoping to do so within the next week. It has been so long since I drove her I don’t even remember what it felt like which wont really matter since it is going to feel like a completely different car after all this anyways… So any comments, advice, questions, criticism are welcomed. I will be selling all the parts I took off so let me know if you need anything. I will be creating a for sale thread once I get all the parts cleaned up. And thanks to everyone here on the forum that has helped me get this far!

Here is my mods list so far:

505zoom intake manifold (Thanks 505zoom)
GT2860RS aka disco potato (Thanks Bala)
K1 rods (Thanks JDM Sam)
Wiseco pistons (Thanks JDM Sam)
Cometic head gasket (Thanks JDM Sam)
ARP main and head studs (Thanks JDM Sam)
Clevite bearings (Thanks JDM Sam)
Jet-Hot coated Injen CAI
Turbolife FMIC
Steedspeed turbo manifold
Perrin fuel rail (Thanks Bala)
WRX 440 cc injectors
Boostscience RDV
Vibrant 3” turbo back exhaust (Thanks Terbow)
Corksport S pipe ceramic coated by Swain Tech (Thanks dstmsp03)
Exedy stage 1 clutch (Thanks livelyjay)
Fidanza lightweight flywheel (Thanks Kooldino)
AXR clunk fix brackets (Thanks Evolv)
Silicone vacuum lines
MAM vacuum block
AWR front and rear engine mounts
Street Unit transmission mount
Medieval side engine mount
Medieval light weight pulleys (WP, Alt, PS, Crank)
Goodridge braided brake line
Corksport braided clutch line
TWM short shifter
Kartboy shifter bushings
Kartboy exhaust hanger bushings
Samco radiator hose
Stoptech Slotted Black E-Coated Rotors (Thanks Tri-Point)
Axxis Deluxe Plus Pads (Thanks Tri-Point)
G2 painted blue calipers
Blacked out badge (Thanks Street Unit)
Blacked out lights (Thanks Jon's Tinted Tails)
Window tint 20 something %
Millenia PCV valve
Mazdaspeed 1.8 bar radiator cap (Thanks Concept MSP)
Greddy full auto turbo timer
Greddy spec II EBC (Thanks 540James)
MAM gauge rings
Blue neons under the dash
Production # badges and stickers (Thanks Slotege and Spaz Chicken)
Mryellowmp5 dual gauge bezel
Autometer ultra lite boost gauge
Autometer ultra lite wideband A/F gauge (Thanks ProtoType5)
Autometer oil pressure gauge
Eibach sportline springs (Thanks Zack)
NRG hood dampers
ACS ram air hood
Xcelerated Concepts fiberglass trunk
Canadian EGR (Thanks bradboyd80)
Custom powder coated valve cover w/ cam cut out (Thanks ForceFed)
Apexcone Raptor HID's (Thanks DDM Tuning)

Waiting to be installed:
AWR oil pan (Thanks dragonballspeed)
J&S Safeguard (Thanks khaosman)
Mishimoto radiator (Thanks MP3racer)
Custom adjustable cam gears by Focus (Thanks fatti03msp)
Custom oil catch can (Thanks Signature Sound)
Custom coolant can (Thanks Signature Sound)
Spal slim fans (Thanks JDM Sam)
MPI
Oil pump serviced by Doc B
Oil cooler and filter relocation

Did I forget anything or to thank anyone? What's next??

[nvmsp]

sounds gude.

[zuku26]

Great build "Rotary" lift FTMFW!!!! Even the car lift screams Mazda!!!!

[Outlawstar98]

You need a Haltech Platinum 1000 Standalone ECU ....

[MSP 2731]

You need a Haltech Platinum 1000 Standalone ECU ....

Do I now? Haltech was on my list of possible routes to go but I currently have my eye on a certain MicroTech... If that doesn't work out then I will put more thought and research into the best EMS solution for my needs. Thanks for the advice, why do you suggest that one?


Great build "Rotary" lift FTMFW!!!! Even the car lift screams Mazda!!!!

Thanks and I figured when in Rome...


sounds gude.

Thanks

[boostdprotegelx]

HELL yeah dude. nice build.. but WHY DID YOU PAINT THE TRUNK:(

[MSP 2731]

HELL yeah dude. nice build.. but WHY DID YOU PAINT THE TRUNK:(

Thanks and because it's fiberglass not CF

[boostdprotegelx]

Thanks and because it's fiberglass not CF

and again my reading skillz fail.

[MSP 2731]

and again my reading skillz fail.

In your defense I didn't mention that in the caption above the pics but instead only in the mods list alllllll the way down at the bottom...

[Outlawstar98]

Do I now? Haltech was on my list of possible routes to go but I currently have my eye on a certain MicroTech... If that doesn't work out then I will put more thought and research into the best EMS solution for my needs. Thanks for the advice, why do you suggest that one?


Because its the newest EMS on the market, and If you buy it from JDMsam (*************.com) He can wire it for you that its just plug and play into your stock harness! so no wire splicing! :D and Like I said before, the 1000 is the newest EMS out on the market ATM, and newer they improve things. Its a GREAT Unit!

(the plug and play thing would be 2000$+ plus though, but soooo worth it!)

[MSP 2731]

Because its the newest EMS on the market, and If you buy it from JDMsam (*************.com) He can wire it for you that its just plug and play into your stock harness! so no wire splicing! :D and Like I said before, the 1000 is the newest EMS out on the market ATM, and newer they improve things. Its a GREAT Unit!

(the plug and play thing would be 2000$+ plus though, but soooo worth it!)

Sam is the man, I hit him up about that E6X he is selling but as I mentioned I'm currently leaning towards a certain MicroTech. A lot is to be said about the latest and greatest and if I do go Haltech I will be getting it through Sam and going the plug and play route but that 1000 with the P&P option would be soooo expensive...

[Outlawstar98]

Haltech Platinum 1000 Standalone ECU is about 1500$

ECU/PCM Extension Harness is about 225$

thats 1725$ just for that, sam quoted me 2000$ for those two things all wired up and ready to run :) so to me, not a bad deal AT ALL! :D He can prob. do the same to the E6X aswell, which is going to be like 400$ cheaper cause its only 1100$ for that ECU

[MSP 2731]

Haltech Platinum 1000 Standalone ECU is about 1500$

ECU/PCM Extension Harness is about 225$

thats 1725$ just for that, sam quoted me 2000$ for those two things all wired up and ready to run :) so to me, not a bad deal AT ALL! :D He can prob. do the same to the E6X aswell, which is going to be like 400$ cheaper cause its only 1100$ for that ECU

He is selling a used E6X right now so it could be even cheaper... But I can't even afford that one at the moment since I've spent so much on everything below. It will be at least another month or two before I will be ready to buy a new EMS. Till then the SS AFC will have to do.

[Speed3.5]

Man just go for MegaSquirtII v3 or just wait a bit and get the new MegaSquirtIII , this thing is getting much better and capable just like any brand name out there.
It has an adv. as it allowes you to do what you want with it and if your genious enough you could make your own custom module.

I'm already trying MSII V3 and looks like a hassle at the begining but just like any other brand name out there is not easy in the begining.

Did I mention its dirt cheap compare to brand name units ?

BTW - what CR are your pistons and what would be your max-boost ?

[MSP 2731]

Man just go for MegaSquirtII v3 or just wait a bit and get the new MegaSquirtIII , this thing is getting much better and capable just like any brand name out there.
It has an adv. as it allowes you to do what you want with it and if your genious enough you could make your own custom module.

I'm already trying MSII V3 and looks like a hassle at the begining but just like any other brand name out there is not easy in the begining.

Did I mention its dirt cheap compare to brand name units ?

BTW - what CR are your pistons and what would be your max-boost ?

Another choice to consider...Can you point me to where I can do some research on this MegaSquirt? How cheap is dirt cheap? I can tell you I'm not genious enough to make my own custom module so that is not a selling point for me.

Stock CR 9.1 to 1 and I have not really thought about max boost yet. I guess I will start around 10-12 psi and see how that feels. I will probably go higher but want to also stay safe. Ideally I don't want to break anything in the tranny...

[HondaEat-R]

That's a serious build man, you accumulated a lot of good parts. I'd throw a gt28rs on there since you're blowing your wad already.... And yes, MegaSquirt is a really capable and adaptable EMS system, I would not rule it out. Shit, have fun with that car man.

[Speed3.5]

MegaSquirt can be purchased already build by the dedicated dealers and all they need is the info about the car.

go to megasquirt dot org , read about megasquirtII V3 .

Its not specific EMS so all the data/info are general , but thats if your soldering yourself like I did.
Check this out as well : http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/V3assemble.htm#ew

Their software is free as well, just need to read on how to use it , if you want the dealer can load it up with the latest software version and code upon your request.

I got my stuff through diyautotune dot com , you can mention I send you his way since we share same car which isn't known as much in MS scene as MIATA's .

Bottom line is do a reading and if you think you can handle the hassle then go for it.

As for price check the place i mentioned above and see for yoursef , theres 2 versions V3- which is assembled by hand and V3.5 - which is assembled by computer.

[Alamo1]

sub...

[zuku26]

I can tell you that have not ever used a megasquirt unit but all the guys on my suzuki samurai and suzuki swift sites live by these EMS's . Once I get the Swift GT motor installed in my samurai I'll be boosting it with my extra t25 and run a megasquirt EMS

[JDM Sam]

nice build. just dont like the crank pulley. even though the engine is balanced, i prefer to keep the factory harmonic damper there.

[Speed3.5]

Unless your drive on high RPM's , it's not a problem that factory harmonic dumper isn't in place anymore.
After all internal are more stronger and can take more stress

[Maxx Mazda]

The only 2 things I think you missed the boat on are the AWR oil pan and DocB Racing oil pump. Our oiling system is vastly insufficient and on a built engine you want al lthe oil you can get!

[SeR_Cyclops]

the only 2 things i think you missed the boat on are the awr oil pan and docb racing oil pump. Our oiling system is vastly insufficient and on a built engine you want al lthe oil you can get!

x 1,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fishdonotbounce]

Subbed

[JDM Sam]

http://www.atiracing.com/products/dampers/101/index.htm
and
http://www.atiracing.com/products/dampers/sae.htm

[Jaysanooch]

Very nice..very nice!

I'd wait on the AFC/440's...run it on the stock ecu/injectors during the break in period to make sure everything is alright. Not sure if your relocating the MAF but try getting that done before you start it up.

My point is...for the break in period, make sure you have no codes...idle/vacuum issues etc..etc. If all goes well then install with AFC...wait abit, then the 440's. Step by step to help track if problems occur.

[zoom 79gc]

Very nice build ghost , I must say ,I am jealous lol !!!!!!!!!!
You Have a lot of things that are on my wish list

[Speed3.5]

http://www.atiracing.com/products/dampers/101/index.htm
and
http://www.atiracing.com/products/dampers/sae.htm

Quote from first link :

" The stock damper works just fine as long as you do not make many changes to the motor, such as HP or RPM, from when it was stock and if the damper is not very old. When you start changing those things, you cannot count on your stock damper to do its job. Not to mention if that damper is old and worn out, the outer ring has a good chance of slipping or even separating from the rest of the damper and coming off your engine completely! "

Bottom line is there's nothing prefect to this world and if you try to make it it requires lots of money which won't be worth the spending since he's not building a rocket for NASA.
Common sense is obvious that stock crank pulley does its job, there's no proof how good it does though either.
Counting that he's engine is/will balanced before its installed makes it safe for him to drive it on the street for considerable long time.
Like I mentioned before the priority of this "critical" part of the engine comes to play when RPM-redline is increased considerably compared to stock and like I mentioned internals are upgraded to hold more stress/vibration so there won't be a problem at some extend unless your considering boosting non stop then .......... things can be discussed from another view.

[spud321x]

Damn I knew I should have put a condom on before I opened this thread..... Awesome build dude!!

[Ricktalife]

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/prowland/Borat-VeryNice.jpg

i want to do the sexy time with those parts. excellent choices!

[MSP 2731]

That's a serious build man, you accumulated a lot of good parts. I'd throw a gt28rs on there since you're blowing your wad already.... And yes, MegaSquirt is a really capable and adaptable EMS system, I would not rule it out. Shit, have fun with that car man.

Thank you and I will be getting a gt28rs in the next month or so.


nice build. just dont like the crank pulley. even though the engine is balanced, i prefer to keep the factory harmonic damper there.

Thank you for all your help with this and after reading the articles you linked I'm having second thoughts about the crank and the rest of the lightweight pulleys. Hmmmmmm....


Quote from first link :

" The stock damper works just fine as long as you do not make many changes to the motor, such as HP or RPM, from when it was stock and if the damper is not very old. When you start changing those things, you cannot count on your stock damper to do its job. Not to mention if that damper is old and worn out, the outer ring has a good chance of slipping or even separating from the rest of the damper and coming off your engine completely! "

Bottom line is there's nothing prefect to this world and if you try to make it it requires lots of money which won't be worth the spending since he's not building a rocket for NASA.
Common sense is obvious that stock crank pulley does its job, there's no proof how good it does though either.
Counting that he's engine is/will balanced before its installed makes it safe for him to drive it on the street for considerable long time.
Like I mentioned before the priority of this "critical" part of the engine comes to play when RPM-redline is increased considerably compared to stock and like I mentioned internals are upgraded to hold more stress/vibration so there won't be a problem at some extend unless your considering boosting non stop then .......... things can be discussed from another view.

So if I don't boost all the time or run her at high RPM's I will be ok for a while but not having the damper will wear out my parts quicker and increases my chances of breaking something, correct?


The only 2 things I think you missed the boat on are the AWR oil pan and DocB Racing oil pump. Our oiling system is vastly insufficient and on a built engine you want al lthe oil you can get!

I was thinking about the AWR oil pan and just recently read about the DocB oil pump. I think I will move these to the top of the list for next purchases. Thanks for the advice!


Very nice..very nice!

I'd wait on the AFC/440's...run it on the stock ecu/injectors during the break in period to make sure everything is alright. Not sure if your relocating the MAF but try getting that done before you start it up.

My point is...for the break in period, make sure you have no codes...idle/vacuum issues etc..etc. If all goes well then install with AFC...wait abit, then the 440's. Step by step to help track if problems occur.

What if the AFC is already hooked up and soldered? Would just disconnecting the vacuum line basicly turn it off or since it is soldered to the ECU is it always on? I wasn't planning on running the 440's till I get my disco potato installed. I'm not relocating my MAF and am running the Boostscience RDV recirculated.


Very nice build ghost , I must say ,I am jealous lol !!!!!!!!!!
You Have a lot of things that are on my wish list

Thank you and just keep working on your list, it has taken me many years to get to this point.


Damn I knew I should have put a condom on before I opened this thread..... Awesome build dude!!


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/prowland/Borat-VeryNice.jpg

i want to do the sexy time with those parts. excellent choices!

Hahahaha, glad I could provide such a exciting thread!

[MSP 2731]

I picked up a magnetic oil drain plug and will be taking it over to the shop today. The battery is back in and if they don't get to busy they will be putting in the short shifter and the clutch line today. I'm reading up on the engine break in process and we should be firing her up sometime this week.

[Donas64]

That is one wicked MSP! You should drive out our way for a meet sometime.

[Matrix]

Hey, who's doing your build? Are you happy with their service & prices?

[MSP 2731]

That is one wicked MSP! You should drive out our way for a meet sometime.

Where you at? Once she is back on the road I'm trying to make it to as many meets and events as possible.


Hey, who's doing your build? Are you happy with their service & prices?

J and F motors in Arlington did the motor. They are a BMW specialist and unless you're a shop then your motor takes a lower priority. So depending on what your needs are there might be a better place to have one done at. I'm told Pete does amazing work over there so it should be worth the wait. My boy owns a shop on Glebe called Town Car Repair and they did everything else. He suggested J and F because he has had a couple motors built by them and has always been happy with their work. This is my first build so I'm not sure what the average pricing for these services are but I paid J and F $800 something. Thankfully my boy's shop does my work for free which has helped big time. I am taking them all out for dinner and drinks once it's done and am giving them some loot on the side as well.

[Matrix]

J and F motors in Arlington did the motor. They are a BMW specialist and unless you're a shop then your motor takes a lower priority. So depending on what your needs are there might be a better place to have one done at. I'm told Pete does amazing work over there so it should be worth the wait. My boy owns a shop on Glebe called Town Car Repair and they did everything else. He suggested J and F because he has had a couple motors built by them and has always been happy with their work. This is my first build so I'm not sure what the average pricing for these services are but I paid J and F $800 something. Thankfully my boy's shop does my work for free which has helped big time. I am taking them all out for dinner and drinks once it's done and am giving them some loot on the side as well.

That's awesome. I don't need a motor build (so far, thank God), but the guy I trust to work on my car is down in Richmond and seems to be a bit busy these days. I thought it might be nice to look into local shops with decent rates for simple installs and minor work that I might not be able to tackle myself.

[MSP 2731]

That's awesome. I don't need a motor build (so far, thank God), but the guy I trust to work on my car is down in Richmond and seems to be a bit busy these days. I thought it might be nice to look into local shops with decent rates for simple installs and minor work that I might not be able to tackle myself.

My boy Rob and the guys at his shop are the only place I've had work on any of my cars for the last 10 years. I trust them completely and there work has always been top notch. His father owned and ran the shop before he passed away at which point Rob took over. They have built a solid reputation for doing good, honest work at fair rates. Also they stay open late for those of us who work a day job.

[Donas64]

I'm in Central VA. Specifically Lynchburg but there are also meets in Richmond.

[MSP 2731]

I'm in Central VA. Specifically Lynchburg but there are also meets in Richmond.

Word. That is a little bit of driving but not to bad so keep me updated on the larger events and I will try to make it to them.

[Jaysanooch]

What if the AFC is already hooked up and soldered? Would just disconnecting the vacuum line basicly turn it off or since it is soldered to the ECU is it always on? I wasn't planning on running the 440's till I get my disco potato installed. I'm not relocating my MAF and am running the Boostscience RDV recirculated.


Ah well don't bother...if the AFC is already installed and the car ran fine...then just keep an eye on your wideband. Recirculating is fine too.

[Breeegz]

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[Speed3.5]

Put it this way, do the most you can to this engine as far as "going by the book" and you'll be fine , don't even worry about i'm boost 20x a day or i should boost not that often.

Things will break at given condition which can be caused from other reason other then crank pulley damper not being in.
Every thing wears out even at stock condition they do but at slower rate if you baby it.

Like I said , given your equiped with upgraded internals you'll be fine IMO as far as changing to aftermarket crank pulley w/o build in dumper.

[MSP 2731]

Put it this way, do the most you can to this engine as far as "going by the book" and you'll be fine , don't even worry about i'm boost 20x a day or i should boost not that often.

Things will break at given condition which can be caused from other reason other then crank pulley damper not being in.
Every thing wears out even at stock condition they do but at slower rate if you baby it.

Like I said , given your equiped with upgraded internals you'll be fine IMO as far as changing to aftermarket crank pulley w/o build in dumper.


Ah well don't bother...if the AFC is already installed and the car ran fine...then just keep an eye on your wideband. Recirculating is fine too.

This is all reassuring to hear and besides the questionable crank damper issue I feel I have a pretty solid build so I will just enjoy her and if/when things break I will fix them then.

[MSP 2731]

Ok, the time has come for me to figure out which EMS route I want to go so my question for ya'll is do I NEED a full standalone or will the Split Second FTC be enough my needs? All advice and opinions are appreciated.

[nvmsp]

Ok, the time has come for me to figure out which EMS route I want to go so my question for ya'll is do I NEED a full standalone or will the Split Second FTC be enough my needs? All advice and opinions are appreciated.

FTC is enough. I want that when I'm built or worse case scenario the afc v2 cause I don't plan on boosting more than 15-16psi, maybe 20psi for one night only.

[MSP 2731]

Thanks. I was thinking the FTC would be enough and I am already familiar with the Split Second AFC so I'm now leaning towards it. Also it is cheaper which is nice. So basically if I don't plan on boosting more than "x" psi then I don't really need a full standalone?

[nvmsp]

Nope, and are u or have you used your v1 afc?

I may be interested in buying it if the price is right. Then you can use that money towards the FTC.

Send me a pm of how much you'd be willing to sell it for and if it works etc. etc.

[MSP 2731]

I hooked it up and used it right before bending the rod. PM sent.

[MSP 2731]

I went over to the shop on my lunch break today and we started her up!!! Besides a vacuum leak some where around the throttle body area it went without a hitch!! She sounds so freaking mean I can't wait to get her back on the road and see what she can do! And now for some pics...

Forged engine fired up
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/startupday002.jpg
Took the license plate bracket off
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/startupday008.jpg
Big smile!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/startupday009.jpg
She looks and sounds sooo good!!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/startupday010.jpg
Sitting low
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/startupday011.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/startupday012.jpg

I'm going to go register her again and get tags either tomorrow or Thursday then I will be taking her home, cleaning her up and driving her as much as possible!!!

[sandspeed]

Looks good ghostone! where did you get those smoked tints or covers, i can't tell.

[MSP 2731]

Looks good ghostone! where did you get those smoked tints or covers, i can't tell.

Thank you sir and they were tinted by Jon's Tinted Tails who I highly recommend!

[boostdprotegelx]

good stuff man!! i love it!!

i want an ssafc

[MSP 2731]

good stuff man!! i love it!!

i want an ssafc

Thanks and you should get one!

[boostdprotegelx]

just installed one on theEZVs msp... sunday..

how much for yours? i dont have money, i've been trying to do sidework for people.

[MSP 2731]

just installed one on theEZVs msp... sunday..

how much for yours? i dont have money, i've been trying to do sidework for people.

I plan on giving mine and some cash to another member for his FTC

[boostdprotegelx]

oh ok. no biggie.

[MSP 2731]

Good luck with your hunt and I hope you find a good one for cheap.

[bedwards6954]

the car looks great and that engine bay is sweet, gotta love the steedspeed!!!

you look pleased!!!

How much boost?


ALL OF IT!!!!!

[speed1585]

damnit. great stuff man, everytime i read a thread like this it makes me want to go silverback on this shit.

Without a doubt i need to change my priorities in life, like paying bills on time, saving money for the future and using it all for my car.

[JDM Sam]

I bet it feels good that it was done and started up w/o no major hiccups. Make sure you change the oil a few times to make sure its circulating clean oil during break in.

[MSP 2731]

I bet it feels good that it was done and started up w/o no major hiccups. Make sure you change the oil a few times to make sure its circulating clean oil during break in.

Man it was such a relief and I've been psyched ever since. I went back to work after starting her up and thought about nothing else the rest of the day and night. I even bounced right out of bed this morning and got to work early (neither of which is a normal occurrence) because I'm so pumped up!! She idled for the hour I was on my lunch break and everything ran smoothly besides the small vacuum leak. I had to go back to work so they let her idle for a little while longer then turned her off and changed the oil. Now I will be following your engine break in check list to the T. Once again BIG THANKS for all your help and support with this. I remember when I was considering buying from another place trying to save a couple bucks and am so glad I went with you instead! If you lived closer to me no doubt you would be even more involved with this build!!


damnit. great stuff man, everytime i read a thread like this it makes me want to go silverback on this shit.

Without a doubt i need to change my priorities in life, like paying bills on time, saving money for the future and using it all for my car.

You gotta prioritize homie! I pay my bills on time, skip the saving money part and then spend most of it on my car.


the car looks great and that engine bay is sweet, gotta love the steedspeed!!!

you look pleased!!!

How much boost?

ALL OF IT!!!!!

Thank you, she is coming along nicely. Another year or three and she should be finished up. And yes I'm really pleased, ecstatic is actually the word I will use to describe that moment...and I have been ever since!

[HondaEat-R]

What psi are you running ? How are you liking the Boostsciences RDV ? No "turkey" at all ? I'm considering going back to a recirculated BOV set-up. Just need a better SRI with a 1" nipple on it. Sorry for the interview, ha.

[MSP 2731]

What psi are you running ? How are you liking the Boostsciences RDV ? No "turkey" at all ? I'm considering going back to a recirculated BOV set-up. Just need a better SRI with a 1" nipple on it. Sorry for the interview, ha.

No problem, I welcome any questions, suggestions and opinions. That is half the reason I made this thread. But I can't answer any of your questions yet since I have not driven my car yet. We just started her up yesterday and then I had to go back to work. I will answer your questions though as soon as I'm able.

[speed1585]

You gotta prioritize homie! I pay my bills on time, skip the saving money part and then spend most of it on my car.


well i want to sell the wifes 3 private party had an offer for 10k cash. still owe 3500, then buy her a new 6s keep the 6500 for myself. that would put allow my desire of 250whp to be had...we shall see, until then i will live through the other modders :)

[MSP 2731]

well i want to sell the wifes 3 private party had an offer for 10k cash. still owe 3500, then buy her a new 6s keep the 6500 for myself. that would put allow my desire of 250whp to be had...we shall see, until then i will live through the other modders :)

That is a good plan and I hope it works out for you. In the meantime I will do my best to make your vicarious experience as fun as possible. (burnout)

[MSP 2731]

I drove her home from the shop yesterday and the check engine light came on. Code P0113 which is intake air temperature circuit high input. I parked her in the driveway, popped the hood and found one of the wires on my MAF had gotten disconnected and also a ground was loose. The vacuum leak is worse than it was and now my gauge is sitting around 15. Not sure if those would cause the check engine but I will find out over the weekend when I'm fixing those issues.

[boostdprotegelx]

absolutely would add to the CEL.

as far as the vac leak.. if you can't find it in the pipes/hoses.. they prolly fucked up on the mani.

[MSP 2731]

absolutely would add to the CEL.

as far as the vac leak.. if you can't find it in the pipes/hoses.. they prolly fucked up on the mani.

It makes sense that it would be related. And can you elaborate on possibly fucked up on the mani?

[boostdprotegelx]

yeah. install on the manifold. not tightening it in the correct order. pinching the gasket as to cause a leak..

possible vac leak areas-

intercooler pipes
couplings
vac block
boost gauge
WGA line
vac lines
manifold gasket.

[MSP 2731]

Ah ok. Thank you and I will be checking all you've suggested. Hey I will be needing my EBC installed sometime in the near future, have you done one before?

[boostdprotegelx]

yep. i can do them!

[MSP 2731]

yep. i can do them!

Word. Well I'm already drained of loot for the month so I'm thinking Septemberish I will let you know as soon as I'm ready.

[MSP Kirk]

Nice build man! we have alot of the same parts!

[thatdude]

Is tinting headlights illegal in fl, anyone know?

[boostdprotegelx]

it's prolly illegal period.anywhere.

[MSP 2731]

Nice build man! we have alot of the same parts!

Thank you and as the old saying goes, great minds buy the same parts....or something like that.


Is tinting headlights illegal in fl, anyone know?


it's prolly illegal period.anywhere.

Yup but they sure do look good.

[Breeegz]

Thank you and as the old saying goes, Protege drivers buy the same parts because the aftermarket sucks....or something like that.

fixed!

[MSP 2731]

fixed!

Thanks, I couldn't remember how the saying went.

[CantCMe]

subbin'...need to see the MSP myself.

looks great man :)

[MSP 2731]

subbin'...need to see the MSP myself.

looks great man :)

Appreciate it and you're around my way so we can make that happen.

[special--k]

I want one... sexy build dude

[MSP 2731]

I want one... sexy build dude

Merci beaucoup. Make it happen!

[CantCMe]

Appreciate it and you're around my way so we can make that happen.

Cool...I work in Mclean right behind Tysons II. I'll pm you my number.

[MSP 2731]

Cool...I work in Mclean right behind Tysons II. I'll pm you my number.

Tight. I used to live over there. Now I'm a couple miles down the street.

[MSP 2731]

Ok, so I fixed the wire that was disconnected on the MAF, fixed the ground, reset the ECU and drove her around for a little while before she threw another check engine light. Ran the code and it is P0106 which has some thing to do with the MAP sensor. Then as I was driving last night the O2 sensor some how came out of my turbo manifold. I put that back in this morning and while driving to work my A/F's while at idle and while crusing were rich ranging from 12's to 10's. Then every once in a while they would go back to where they should be in the 14's. Any body have any ideas?

[JDM Sam]

the barometric map sensor is the one on the passenger corner.
get a scan tool and make sure your maf and o2 sensor voltages are fluctuating as you drive it.

[MSP 2731]

Thank you Sam, I will do that today after work and will report back tomorrow.

[HondaEat-R]

These are the issues that come along with a huge build when all mods are done at the same time. Kinda hard to troubleshoot when you change everything at once. Hope you get it figured out though, good luck man !

[MSP 2731]

the barometric map sensor is the one on the passenger corner.
get a scan tool and make sure your maf and o2 sensor voltages are fluctuating as you drive it.

Ok, the MAF voltage was fluctuating as I drove it and the O2 did as well but by very little.

[MSP 2731]

These are the issues that come along with a huge build when all mods are done at the same time. Kinda hard to troubleshoot when you change everything at once. Hope you get it figured out though, good luck man !

Yeah, I figured there would be some issues. I just hope nothing to serious comes up. Did you do yours all at once or part by part?

[JDM Sam]

Did the MAP CEL come back on? Check if the MAP vacuum lines are routed correctly and hooked up and it's plugged in.
Test the MAP sensor. Vacuum pump and log the MAP sensor voltage as vacuum is applied.

[MSP 2731]

I didn't clear the code so the CEL is still on. I will test all you've suggested, clear the code and drive around to see if it comes back on.

[Alamo1]

I feel like i'm going to run into the same kind of issues. Should I turbo the car on a tired motor first and then run low boost or build the engine first and then put the turbo in?

[HondaEat-R]

I know people think this is lame, I bought mine with 90% of the mods already done. I could never justify spending the $12K the prev owner did on mods. When younger i dumped $ in cars, live & learn.

[MSP 2731]

Did the MAP CEL come back on? Check if the MAP vacuum lines are routed correctly and hooked up and it's plugged in.
Test the MAP sensor. Vacuum pump and log the MAP sensor voltage as vacuum is applied.

The vacuum line to the sensor was clogged. Replaced the line, cleared the code and have driven around 20 miles and so far no CEL. My AFR's are still running rich though. We checked the voltage of the MAP sensor before figuring out the vacuum line was the problem and it was fluctuating from the 3's to 4's. We tested it directly on the sensor so the vacuum from the pump was getting through.

Also I do believe we have tracked down the vacuum leak and will be taking the throttle body off to check the gasket. I've got a little over 300 miles on the motor now.

* A CEL came back on when I was driving on my lunch break so I will try to check that after work today.

[MSP 2731]

I feel like i'm going to run into the same kind of issues. Should I turbo the car on a tired motor first and then run low boost or build the engine first and then put the turbo in?

I would say build the engine first but that is just my opinion and you should probably get some advice from others with more experience.


I know people think this is lame, I bought mine with 90% of the mods already done. I could never justify spending the $12K the prev owner did on mods. When younger i dumped $ in cars, live & learn.

This car has been a learning experience for me. It is the only car I've bought brand new and is my first car with a turbo. Next time I will buy a car that performs as I want it to from the factory.

[MSP 2731]

The latest scan read two codes, P0131 and P0303 which are for O2 sensor circuit low voltage and cylinder #3 misfire. So I guess I need to check to see if the O2 sensor is damaged and I'm really hoping that cylinder #3 misfire has something to do with the spark plug wires or coil packs. The saga continues...

[Alamo1]

Good luck....

[blkonblkMSP]

ghost one im really diggin your headlights (thumb)

[Ricktalife]

This car has been a learning experience for me. It is the only car I've bought brand new and is my first car with a turbo. Next time I will buy a car that performs as I want it to from the factory.

i like to have fun with my cars, and even though i've spent way too much money on my car already, it has been quite a journey getting to where i am with it now. it performs 10 times better than when i bought it.

[MSP 2731]

i like to have fun with my cars, and even though i've spent way too much money on my car already, it has been quite a journey getting to where i am with it now. it performs 10 times better than when i bought it.

Agreed on all points and I'm hoping once I get all the kinks worked mine performs 10 times better. I mean I love my car, I took it on one test drive and was sold. But once that new car enthusiasm wore off I realized I wanted more power. And as long as you've got another car to drive besides the one you're working on then it works. But my daily driver just died on friday so now I'm forced to drive my zoom with all these problems going on which I'm not thrilled about. If it died before I got this car on the road again I'd really be in a jam. So I'm just saying the next car I buy will be much more powerful from the factory so I don't have to go through this again.

[MSP 2731]

Good luck....

Thanks, I could use some of that.

[MSP 2731]

ghost one im really diggin your headlights (thumb)

Thank you sir, I'm very happy with them.

[Ricktalife]

Agreed on all points and I'm hoping once I get all the kinks worked mine performs 10 times better. I mean I love my car, I took it on one test drive and was sold. But once that new car enthusiasm wore off I realized I wanted more power. And as long as you've got another car to drive besides the one you're working on then it works. But my daily driver just died on friday so now I'm forced to drive my zoom with all these problems going on which I'm not thrilled about. If it died before I got this car on the road again I'd really be in a jam. So I'm just saying the next car I buy will be much more powerful from the factory so I don't have to go through this again.

yea i feel ya. this car is my daily driver. LOL not a very good choice for a DD i know...but i love it and although selling my spec v right when the economy tanked was the worst financial decision i've made in my life...i STILL love this car. besides, we picked the fastest color msp if you weren't aware ;D

[boostdprotegelx]

truth.

what's up w/ your DD??

[XoX1de]

is your crankshaft rebalanced with forged internal?

[MSP 2731]

yea i feel ya. this car is my daily driver. LOL not a very good choice for a DD i know...but i love it and although selling my spec v right when the economy tanked was the worst financial decision i've made in my life...i STILL love this car. besides, we picked the fastest color msp if you weren't aware ;D

I as well believe laser blue is the fastest and by far the sexiest!

[MSP 2731]

truth.

what's up w/ your DD??

It is a 90 Honda civic with like 250K on it. It has been a great little beater for the last couple years but I was driving back to work after my lunch break and it just stopped working as I was driving down the parkway. It was during that really heavy rain we had Friday and I thought the distributor cap got wet so I waited a while for it to dry out but it still didn't start back up. So it got towed to my boys shop and he informed me that it needs a new timing belt along with all the things that should be done when putting in a new timing belt. He said everything needed would be around $400 but I'm broke at the moment. He is going to go ahead and slap the timing belt on it and see if that is enough to get it back on the road. I hope so because with my A/F's all out of wack my MSP is going through gas very quickly and that premium isn't cheap when you're broke. And as I've mentioned I don't like driving the zoom around when it's got all these problems going on.

[MSP 2731]

is your crankshaft rebalanced with forged internal?

Yes it is.

[MSP 2731]

So I was backing into a parking space this morning and heard a rubbing noise coming from the passenger side front wheel well. I've never had a lowered car before so I figured it was just the wheel rubbing since the car is now lowered but I just went down to take a look and here is what I saw.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_1251904359.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/?action=view&current=1251904359.jpg)
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_1251904385.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/?action=view&current=1251904385.jpg)
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/th_1251904391.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/?action=view&current=1251904391.jpg)

So if you guys can tell me what this is, how damaged it is, has this happened to anyone else lowered and if I can do anything to prevent this from continuing to happen besides not cutting the wheel that far I would be very appreciative.

[Maxx Mazda]

Swaybar endlink. New one is only about $30. No big deal.

[MSP 2731]

Thanks Maxx, I'm glad that it isn't anything more serious. So I guess I just need to not cut the wheel that far from now on in order to not do this again, correct?

[Patrickenator]

depending on how low you are (no idea how low would make it necessary...i'm not lowered), you could get adjustable endlinks. someone else should chime in though

[MSP 2731]

Nice, thanks Patrickenator. I'm going to go see if I can figure this out but if anyone else knows please post up the info.

[Alamo1]

I saw a how to on making your own adjustable endlinks on here... It is probably in the how to section somewhere.

[boostdprotegelx]

yep. i'll be making my own also.. 808p5 made the how to thread.


basically you get to your car, measure the length from endlink tab, to swaybar. you want the sway bar to be parallel to the ground.

obviously the car suspension has to be loaded, so this means, on the ground..

i believe the parts can be ordered through mcmaster.com

[MSP 2731]

Thanks guys!! I spent a while yesterday reading different adjustable end link threads and the only ones that I found for the front were the AWR ones. I read about some issues with them though and was hoping for another solution. And now thanks to 808p5's thread I think that is the route I will be going.

[Patrickenator]

let us know how it turns out! i'm looking for a front endlink solution...and also don't wanna go with awr lol. I have the AgencyPower rear endlinks. they're very nice, but expensive

[boostdprotegelx]

Thanks guys!! I spent a while yesterday reading different adjustable end link threads and the only ones that I found for the front were the AWR ones. I read about some issues with them though and was hoping for another solution. And now thanks to 808p5's thread I think that is the route I will be going.


let us know how it turns out! i'm looking for a front endlink solution...and also don't wanna go with awr lol. I have the AgencyPower rear endlinks. they're very nice, but expensive

yeah. fuck that noise. i'll be making my fronts and rears.

[MSP 2731]

I was driving home from work yesterday when I noticed my check engine light was no longer on!! It has not come back on yet and I almost now have 500 miles on motor so the plan for this weekend is the second oil change and checking the throttle body gasket for the vacuum leak.

[livelyjay]

Nice build. Sometimes I wish I had a blue MSP, but mine has treated me very well for the 53000 miles I've put on it.

What's with the hood gap in the front of the car?

[boostdprotegelx]

Nice build. Sometimes I wish I had a blue MSP, but mine has treated me very well for the 53000 miles I've put on it.

What's with the hood gap in the front of the car?

he mentioned earlier.. it wasn't shut all the way.

[livelyjay]

Ah, that's what I get for being lazy and only looking at the pictures :)

[boostdprotegelx]

Ah, that's what I get for being lazy and only looking at the pictures :)

i've noticed laziness pwns the 247 forum.lol

[MSP 2731]

Nice build. Sometimes I wish I had a blue MSP, but mine has treated me very well for the 53000 miles I've put on it.

What's with the hood gap in the front of the car?

Thank you, what color do you have?

[MSP 2731]

Unfortunately my CEL came back on during my drive home from work so I'm going to go get it scanned.

[boostdprotegelx]

Unfortunately my CEL came back on during my drive home from work so I'm going to go get it scanned.

lame.

[TheMAN]

dude, what's up with the shitty plug wires?
hope that crapdanza flywheel got balanced with the rest of the bottom end too

[MSP 2731]

lame.

Yes it is. And over the weekend it kept playing with my emotions by coming on and off. I scanned it while it was on and it is the same codes as it was. I ended up BBQ'n all weekend and was to fat and intoxicated to get any work done.

[livelyjay]

Thank you, what color do you have?

Silver. At least it doesn't show any dirt.

[MSP 2731]

dude, what's up with the shitty plug wires?
hope that crapdanza flywheel got balanced with the rest of the bottom end too

I didn't know the stock wires were insufficient but since I got this cylinder # 3 misfire code going on and read that it might be the spark plug wires and/or boots I'm going to get new ones. Do you have any suggestions as to which are not shitty? And again I was unaware the flywheel needed to be balanced, can you tell me more regarding this?

[livelyjay]

NGK from SparkPlugs.com or AJUsa.com

[MSP 2731]

Silver. At least it doesn't show any dirt.

Nice, the silvers do look good and that would be helpful. And thank you for the suggestion. Would you agree with this theMAN?

[TheMAN]

I didn't know the stock wires were insufficient but since I got this cylinder # 3 misfire code going on and read that it might be the spark plug wires and/or boots I'm going to get new ones. Do you have any suggestions as to which are not shitty? And again I was unaware the flywheel needed to be balanced, can you tell me more regarding this?
well then your machine shop is no good because every good engine builder knows that something with lots of rotating mass (flywheel) needs balancing with any sort of bottom end balancing! it won't be your fault for not knowing but it'll be their fault for not reminding you

the good shops I deal with ALWAYS ask for the flywheel AND pressure plate be brought in for balancing with the whole bottom end

furthermore, the crapdanza flywheels are notorious for terrible imbalance out of the box because they don't spend the extra effort in making a perfect product but instead just rush to sell the shit... at least the factory flywheels only need a couple of grams of balancing... the fidanza can take as much as 20 grams to do that in some cases!

[boostdprotegelx]

get the stock ngk plugs. and stock wires.

[TheMAN]

didn't I say already the stock wires are shit?
they break easily, are way too small, and have too much resistance in a high power engine

just get NGK wires and be done with it... cheaper and BETTER

[boostdprotegelx]

didn't I say already the stock wires are shit?
they break easily, are way too small, and have too much resistance in a high power engine

just get NGK wires and be done with it... cheaper and BETTER

idk why the hell i wrote stock wires. i was on an ngk rant. that's what i meant.

[MSP 2731]

well then your machine shop is no good because every good engine builder knows that something with lots of rotating mass (flywheel) needs balancing with any sort of bottom end balancing! it won't be your fault for not knowing but it'll be their fault for not reminding you

the good shops I deal with ALWAYS ask for the flywheel AND pressure plate be brought in for balancing with the whole bottom end

furthermore, the crapdanza flywheels are notorious for terrible imbalance out of the box because they don't spend the extra effort in making a perfect product but instead just rush to sell the shit... at least the factory flywheels only need a couple of grams of balancing... the fidanza can take as much as 20 grams to do that in some cases!

Damn it, I'm starting to get frustrated. I've called the shop and am waiting to hear back. So now what is necessary in order to balance the flywheel or should I just put the stocker back on? I'm learning that there is so much more to all of this then what I read and knew before. And thanks for the advice on the wires.

[TheMAN]

the stock shit is much more balanced than the fidanza one for sure... I've talked to engine builders and they all say the fidanza serious have balance issues

if you don't care about a less than perfect balance, just balance the flywheel and pressure plate as "standalone" and it'll be OK

oh and I forgot to mention that the good engine builders also ask for crank pulley (and as already mentioned flywheel + pressure plate) when balancing the bottom end

[MREDDLE]

I had balanced my stock flywheel, pressure plate, crank and pulley together they were within 2gs when we started (not to bad). Then we switched out to a 9lb fidanza and we were 20gs off (on one side). (Thats bad) So ya everyone should rebalance everytime they change something on the bottom rotating shat. Some people I have dealt with even balance their cams (this is a pain).

[TheMAN]

thanks for testifying that its CRAPdanza :D

[goku4658]

nice lookin build, seems like you're taking it slowly and putting alot of time and money into your car. very cool

[MSP 2731]

the stock shit is much more balanced than the fidanza one for sure... I've talked to engine builders and they all say the fidanza serious have balance issues

if you don't care about a less than perfect balance, just balance the flywheel and pressure plate as "standalone" and it'll be OK

oh and I forgot to mention that the good engine builders also ask for crank pulley (and as already mentioned flywheel + pressure plate) when balancing the bottom end

Ok, I heard back and I guess the shop I used isn't a good engine builder as they just balanced it without any of these things and they never asked about them. So now how would I get the flywheel and pressure plate balanced as "standalone"? And what harm may come if these items are not balanced on the engine? Sorry for the noob questions but please remember this is my first build.

[MSP 2731]

nice lookin build, seems like you're taking it slowly and putting alot of time and money into your car. very cool

Thanks. I would have prefered it have been done quicker but this was as fast as my available funds would allow.

[Aricjm15]

Ok, I heard back and I guess the shop I used isn't a good engine builder as they just balanced it without any of these things and they never asked about them. So now how would I get the flywheel and pressure plate balanced as "standalone"? And what harm may come if these items are not balanced on the engine? Sorry for the noob questions but please remember this is my first build.
Fidanza balances their parts at the factory, it also help they are cut from a solid chunk of metal. Exedy also sells pre-balanced parts. Believe me when I say they wouldn't ship something out that could not be bolted up to a car and ran out of the box. These companies dont have enough tech support people on staff to deal with the phone calls they would get.

[TheMAN]

Should I believe this and all the experienced engine builders I've dealt with:

I had balanced my stock flywheel, pressure plate, crank and pulley together they were within 2gs when we started (not to bad). Then we switched out to a 9lb fidanza and we were 20gs off (on one side). (Thats bad) So ya everyone should rebalance everytime they change something on the bottom rotating shat. Some people I have dealt with even balance their cams (this is a pain).

or this, from someone who sells parts and parrots off whatever marketing bullshit is fed by the maker? :rolleyes:

Fidanza balances their parts at the factory, it also help they are cut from a solid chunk of metal. Exedy also sells pre-balanced parts. Believe me when I say they wouldn't ship something out that could not be bolted up to a car and ran out of the box. These companies dont have enough tech support people on staff to deal with the phone calls they would get.



its a round piece of metal ok? anything like that is going to be somewhat balanced because of its inherent nature... it's like CD discs... you don't see weight on them, and they're not perfectly balanced... but they work fine because they aren't insanely imbalanced and the drive motors in players are built to handle the imbalances... engines are too, up to an extent but that means you LOSE power

even if the aluminum itself is balanced, adding the so over-hyped steel friction plate will throw it all off

the tech support thing is bullshit... most people don't know what to hear/feel/look for... they won't know that some extra vibrations were caused by a shitty flywheel... there's a few people here that said "oh, that's what that vibration was" after I told them about the crapdanza imbalance... it's NOT enough to make the car feel like a san francisco earthquake, it's just subtle enough that the inexperienced will just pass it off as "hard motor mounts" (most who have this flywheel, have AWR mounts, etc)... and there's more inexperienced in this world than experienced ones... thats why machine shops and repair shops are in business right? if everyone knew everything, perhaps there would be utopia


FWIW, yashooa's car has a FULLY balanced bottom end (the proper way to do it!) with a MSF flywheel... hardly any balancing had to be done to the flywheel or pressure plate... just a gram or so... but the point is, the car idles smooth as hell with AWR mounts and the dashboard doesn't rattle, no buzzes or rattles inside the car, it don't sound like a cheap dildo, etc.. you know there's upgrade motor mounts in the car, but it's so smooth that it's barely any more vibrations than stock

now with completely stock everything with motor mounts... oh boy do the vibrations suck! shit rattles and buzzes at certain rpms, you feel the engine "thumping" at the seat of your pants, etc

[TheMAN]

Ok, I heard back and I guess the shop I used isn't a good engine builder as they just balanced it without any of these things and they never asked about them. So now how would I get the flywheel and pressure plate balanced as "standalone"? And what harm may come if these items are not balanced on the engine? Sorry for the noob questions but please remember this is my first build.
bring it to a DIFFERENT shop (they don't deserve your business) that does true hot rod engine builds and have them just balance those 2 pieces alone... there's nothing to it... just drop it off and tell them "balance it!"
don't forget the pressure plate bolts!

[MSP 2731]

So not having these parts balanced will just cause more vibrations?

[TheMAN]

duh?
why do you get your wheels balanced when you get tires?

[MSP 2731]

I can stand the vibrations so I will wait till the next round of mods or till my honda is back up and running before worrying about this then. I can't have the car down at the moment since it is now by default my DD. Thanks for the advice and opinions everyone.

[dmention7]

duh?
why do you get your wheels balanced when you get tires?

I assumed he was asking whether he should also be concerned about accelerated wear to the bottom end bearings, etc. Or at least that's what I, as a fellow noob to builds, would be most concerned with...

[MSP 2731]

I assumed he was asking whether he should also be concerned about accelerated wear to the bottom end bearings, etc. Or at least that's what I, as a fellow noob to builds, would be most concerned with...

That is the sort of thing I'm concerned about and why I asked what harm might come if these things were not balanced.

[Alamo1]

I am so glad I am learning this second hand... no offence GhostOne. What other kind of stuff have you learned that I may need to know? I'm starting in on my engine right now.

[TheMAN]

I assumed he was asking whether he should also be concerned about accelerated wear to the bottom end bearings, etc. Or at least that's what I, as a fellow noob to builds, would be most concerned with...
there won't be any measurable wear... at least in the near term... but the engine WILL lose potential power

[Alamo1]

How will the power loss be seen? will the imbalance over time cause the parts to wear beyond their spec'ed tolerances or just destroy bearings and seals therefore causing excessive play?

[JDM Sam]

The main priority is to have the crank, rods, and pistons balanced alone. Those are the ones that will contribute to your bearing wear. This engine is internally balanced free of the pulley and flywheel.

If you balance it with the 2 parts attached, if you machine the flywheel, or change either the flywheel or pulley with a different piece your internal balance will be off.

The crank pulley is balanced from the factory.
The Fidanza I would not worry too much if you didn't get it balanced.
Many have run it straight out of the box with no short or long term problems.

[JDM Sam]

How will the power loss be seen? will the imbalance over time cause the parts to wear beyond their spec'ed tolerances or just destroy bearings and seals therefore causing excessive play?

The engine is internally balanced, if your bearings get shot its due from improper clearances on the crank journals, main caps, and rods, or oil starvation.

Fidanza's Flywheels work fine and will not cause you to have any engine damage if you run it out of the box.
The Fidanza weigh 7.5 lbs made of aluminum vs the 18 lb stock steel one. If it's off balance by a few grams it won't cause as much vibration as the rotating mass is less. It's like you rotating a foam plate vs a ceramic plate.

[MSP 2731]

Thanks for the info Sam!

[MSP 2731]

I am so glad I am learning this second hand... no offence GhostOne. What other kind of stuff have you learned that I may need to know? I'm starting in on my engine right now.

I take no offence. It would have been nice if everything had gone off without a hitch but I feel better about the problems I'm encountering knowning that my experience will help others. How far into it are you?

[Alamo1]

I'm just getting started. My car is stock motor and I'm building a forged junkyard motor.... I'm hoping the shop will look at my block and take some measurements to see if I need over bore or not, in the next couple weeks. Then I'll start ordering parts.

I think I'll go start reading up on everything TheMan says....

[MSP 2731]

I'm just getting started. My car is stock motor and I'm building a forged junkyard motor.... I'm hoping the shop will look at my block and take some measurements to see if I need over bore or not, in the next couple weeks. Then I'll start ordering parts.

I think I'll go start reading up on everything TheMan says....

That is a lot of reading you've got ahead of you. PM sent.

[Alamo1]

That is a lot of reading you've got ahead of you. PM sent.

I think that's only a slight understatement. I may be reading for the rest of my life!

[MSP 2731]

I've replaced the stock spark plug wires with NGK's, replaced the coil packs, plug boots and the O2 sensor. My air/fuel is no longer bouncing all over the place. It is still on occasion going very lean. But the CEL came back and I now have 2 new codes. P0421 and P0300. Warm Up Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1) and Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected. My exhaust doesn't stink so I'm hoping my cat is still good. I guess next up will be to check the 2nd O2 sensor and make sure the spark plugs are gapped right. And my turbo timer has decided it wants to start acting up. I've done nothing to it and sometimes it works, other times it doesn't even though it is on and once it kept the car running while it counted down but shut off when it got 10 seconds into the count down.

[Jaysanooch]

I had p300...tried everything and could never figure it out.

It's just funny that after I rebuilt my head a-z, along with new built short block and replace my engine harness, I haven't seen a cel code since.

[MSP 2731]

So last weekend I took my car to meet Damian and we searched for the vacuum leak all day and still couldn't find it. The thermal spacer on the TB was already removed and a new gasket was put on it but that wasn't it. So we removed the thermal spacer from the IM and put a new gasket on it but that wasn't it. We checked all the vacuum lines and did find that the one to the WG had a split in it, replaced it but that wasn't it. We sprayed everywhere with carb cleaner and the idle never changed. We even ran Sea Foam through it but couldn't see any smoke escaping anywhere. So the mystery leak is still a mystery. Since we disconnected the battery my CEL was off for a couple days but it came back as expected. But I'm happy to say the misfire code is gone. Hopefully it doesn't come back. Now in addition to the P0421 I have a new one, P0335 which is Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Malfunction.

[boostdprotegelx]

i'm honestly feeling that the manifold may be a cause of the issue.. not 100% obviously until we change it out.

the sensor could have gone bad. if that's the case. i may have some laying around.

also, dont forget we had loose FMIC coupler clamps, which got fixed!

[MSP 2731]

Yeah, next time I come up I'm bringing the stock IM and hopefully that will be the end of this annoying vacuum leak. And I did forgot to mention that loose coupler clamp. Thanks again for all the help so far!

[Speedkid]

Your car looks nice. How much hp you pushing.

[MSP 2731]

Your car looks nice. How much hp you pushing.

Thanks. I don't know yet but once I get it finished and running right I will be hitting a dyno to find out.

[KZL_99ES]

one place i had a vac leak was from not cleaning/scraping off the old gasket on the throttle body plate that sits on intake mani; once we cleaned it off and put the new gasket back on, it solved the problem.

[Speed3.5]

well then your machine shop is no good because every good engine builder knows that something with lots of rotating mass (flywheel) needs balancing with any sort of bottom end balancing! it won't be your fault for not knowing but it'll be their fault for not reminding you

the good shops I deal with ALWAYS ask for the flywheel AND pressure plate be brought in for balancing with the whole bottom end

furthermore, the crapdanza flywheels are notorious for terrible imbalance out of the box because they don't spend the extra effort in making a perfect product but instead just rush to sell the shit... at least the factory flywheels only need a couple of grams of balancing... the fidanza can take as much as 20 grams to do that in some cases!


damn, fidanza(crapdanza) is that bad sometimes (req. 20 gram shaving to balance properly).
first time hearing it, too bad no one seems to keep up with their product as time passes on.

[boostdprotegelx]

so an update for you zach!

basically.. we're waiting on the 505 mani to be done. BUT, i have been working on things.


i've uninstalled the turbo, manifold, intake manifold, and s pipe.


we have to install-
CS S pipe
Garrett 28rs
440 injectors
perrin fuel rail
walbro fuel pump
505 mani


then i'll need to get the correct base map for this stuff and get a tune going.

[MSP 2731]

You're the man Damian! If any of you fellow MSP owners need work done I highly recommend this dude!!

[boostdprotegelx]

woot woot!

[theEZV]

lmk when ull be installing that 505 manifold, i may come down just to check it out. gonna be a sick ride when finished and tuned

[MSP 2731]

lmk when ull be installing that 505 manifold, i may come down just to check it out. gonna be a sick ride when finished and tuned

You should come check it out cuz that mani looks to truly be a work of art. We will let you know before the install. And thanks, hopefully soon I'll be able to offer you a ride in her.

[MSP 2731]

The 505 mani has arrived and Damian is in the process of installing it. Here are pics of the mani, the ceramic coated Corksport S pipe and the disco potato... I'm starting to get really excited!

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/505mani.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1265231873.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/1265231898.jpg

[theEZV]

sweet

[shane02pro5]

Lookin good dude! :)

[MSP 2731]

Lookin good dude! :)

Thanks man


sweet

Agreed, did you get a chance to go see the mani in person yet?

[special--k]

Sorry, i didnt read everything. But it looks like you are going to put down a little too much power for a Stage 1 clutch? Anyone else think so

[shane02pro5]

I have an exedy stage 1 and just recently started slipping after 2yrs of 350whp

[xDJ DUBx]

Keep your eye on those motor mounts ;)

[shane02pro5]

DIY filled holding strong :)

[xDJ DUBx]

That was aimed at the OP, I'm sure you would of a good MM setup for yours :D

[boostdprotegelx]

That was aimed at the OP, I'm sure you would of a good MM setup for yours :D

we've got the motor mounts setup.awr front and rear, medival and su

[xDJ DUBx]

werd brother, werd

[boostdprotegelx]

here's an update for you zach. hope you're happy!
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff009.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff008.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff007.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff005.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff006.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff004.jpg

[theEZV]

oooooohh. nice setup. shooting for around 300whp?

[MSP 2731]

Damian, I am very happy and those pics just made my day!! Keep up the great work!

And EZV I don't have a HP target goal. Once all of this is finished up though I will be getting her dyno tuned and let everyone know what how much she is pushing out.

[Ricktalife]

Damn, at first I thought your 505zoom mani was painted laser blue...that would be hot.

[boostdprotegelx]

Damian, I am very happy and those pics just made my day!! Keep up the great work!

And EZV I don't have a HP target goal. Once all of this is finished up though I will be getting her dyno tuned and let everyone know what how much she is pushing out.

the only thing after this i can even see you needing to do(wanting really)... is headwork and cams. otherwise this'll put down pretty good numbers. prolly close to 300whp or so.

[MSP 2731]

the only thing after this i can even see you needing to do(wanting really)... is headwork and cams. otherwise this'll put down pretty good numbers. prolly close to 300whp or so.

Yeah, I think I will wait on the head and cams till I get bored with all of this. Either that or if/when I break the LSD or something in the tranny.


Damn, at first I thought your 505zoom mani was painted laser blue...that would be hot.

I did think about going blue but wasn't sure if it would turn out right. I talked with Rich about the options and decided black would be the best choice. When I bought my 626 mani from PG I had them paint it metallic blue which they said would be a close match but it just didn't look right. I ended up having it Jet-Hot coated silver after running it blue for a little while. But I do have plan... I'm going to get my Injen CAI powder coated black as well as the Steedspeed mani to match the Turbolife pipes and 505 mani and I'm going to get the valve cover done in laser blue. It's going to look good!!

Oh and in case anyone needs a 626 mani I no longer need mine so let me know.

[boostdprotegelx]

the turbo mani has already been coated.. why not just high temp flat black paint it?

[MSP 2731]

the turbo mani has already been coated.. why not just high temp flat black paint it?

Damn...why didn't I think of that? Great idea!!

[boostdprotegelx]

Damn...why didn't I think of that? Great idea!!

welp. i'll go get the paint and do it before i install it if you want?

[MSP 2731]

If you can that would help knock another thing off my list.

[boostdprotegelx]

If you can that would help knock another thing off my list.

will do.

[MSP 2731]

will do.

Thanks!

[boostdprotegelx]

just an update for ya'll..

fuel pump, rear motor mount, 505 intake manifold installed.

i just got done painting the steedspeed mani black! woot!

pics. sorry for the overspray. it'll be fixed!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff003-1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff002-1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/Boostdprotegelx/stuff001.jpg

[theEZV]

that steedspeed is slowly growing on me.

[Sport23]

that steedspeed is slowly growing on me.

He's doing a group buy now.

I wish I was still on the East Coast so I could see some of these awesome MSPs in person!

[satyr36]

man id like to build mine.. but sheesh.. takes a year to get it all done :D fuk dat sheet

[MSP 2731]

Damian, the steedspeed looks great! I appreciate it as always.

Here is a pic that Damian sent me recently of the 505 mani installed..

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/505maniinstalled.jpg


that steedspeed is slowly growing on me.

You should get one, they are solid.


He's doing a group buy now.

I wish I was still on the East Coast so I could see some of these awesome MSPs in person!

Well you should come to the National Mazda Meet in St. Louis at the end of July so you can check it out! Details are in the thread linked in my sig.


man id like to build mine.. but sheesh.. takes a year to get it all done :D fuk dat sheet

How long it takes depends on you and your situation, if you can do the work yourself that certainly would help. But if not I suggest gathering all the parts and then stacking loot till you can afford to have everything done at once. If I did that it would have been done a looong time ago..

[bomdoutscort]

I'd take that aluminum crank pulley off unless it has a harmonic balancer in it. The vibrations from the motor will shatter the oil pump gears.

[XoX1de]

I'd take that aluminum crank pulley off unless it has a harmonic balancer in it. The vibrations from the motor will shatter the oil pump gears.

What the hell the oil pump can relate with the crankpulley? Our engine is internally balanced. The oil pump bolts to the crank and then the pulley is put right after...

[BadBandar]

Wow. Awesome build. Subin.

[MSP 2731]

Wow. Awesome build. Subin.

Thank you very much, I can hardly wait till it is finished and I can drive it again!

[Ricktalife]

Black steedspeed is sexy...Godddddd I want mine now! Love all the blue dude I am trying to go all black and blue myself!

[justanothermp5]

I'd take that aluminum crank pulley off unless it has a harmonic balancer in it. The vibrations from the motor will shatter the oil pump gears.

my oil pump still works fine after 10k miles with my OBX UDP on lol

[MSP 2731]

my oil pump still works fine after 10k miles with my OBX UDP on lol

I'm glad to hear this and figure mine will be fine as well.


Black steedspeed is sexy...Godddddd I want mine now! Love all the blue dude I am trying to go all black and blue myself!

Thank you and I agree the black looks dead sexy. I just gotta do my CAI black and my valve cover laser blue and I think I will be good to go.. Well at least with the engine bay. I still want to get my Racing Harts done black and then use the laser blue touch up paint to fill in the letters. She is going to look so sick!!

[_Slotegé_]

Very nice build man!(2thumbs)


Look's like it will run like a raped ape when it's done...

[MSP 2731]

Very nice build man!(2thumbs)


Look's like it will run like a raped ape when it's done...

Thank you and I hope so!

[boostdprotegelx]

psst...hey zach...i got the turbo in today:) just gotta bend the coolant lines and hook up the oil line.. as well as a few other things and we'll be good to go!:)

[MSP 2731]

I can hardly wait to finally drive my car again!!

[boostdprotegelx]

well.. just got back from the shop.. doin lotsa shit..

got the intercooler pipes all routed, and ready for the 3 couplers we need.. and i need a good picture of vacuum lines, cuz there are a MILLION ports on your car now zach.. anyone?

[Ricktalife]

well.. just got back from the shop.. doin lotsa shit..

got the intercooler pipes all routed, and ready for the 3 couplers we need.. and i need a good picture of vacuum lines, cuz there are a MILLION ports on your car now zach.. anyone?

Not sure if this helps you?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c372/RickTaLife/IMG_0298.jpg

[boostdprotegelx]

a little. but seeing close up pictures of the hoses routing in the back. especially if you didn't do the throttle body bypass. that'd be great.

[Ricktalife]

Now you're just being picky LOL. Sorry man that's the best I got. Send me a PM tomorrow if you still need it and I'll go snap a pic.

[MSP 2731]

The couplers are ordered and should be to you tomorrow Damian. I will PM you pics of how my vacuum lines used to be. I don't know if you will be able to see what you need but that is the best I can do. I also am having ForceFed powdercoat a valve cover for me. And thanks for these pics, they made my night last night.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/0503102248.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/0503102247.jpg

[Ricktalife]

That shit looks sweet. I like how you even substituted the black for blue on the valve cover where I'm guessing the lines for the injectors go. Lol I don't know what everything under the hood is but I'm trying.

[theEZV]

i guess we should start lining up for rides. haha. you guys are using split second to tune right? taking it somewhere to tune it? or damian are you tuning it yourself?

[boostdprotegelx]

i guess we should start lining up for rides. haha. you guys are using split second to tune right? taking it somewhere to tune it? or damian are you tuning it yourself?

yeah split second. i dont know much for tuning yet. i'm gonna upload a map that is closest to his and hope it runs pretty well. we'll see about tuning later when i learn more.

[MSP 2731]

i guess we should start lining up for rides. haha. you guys are using split second to tune right? taking it somewhere to tune it? or damian are you tuning it yourself?

I can't wait to give people rides in it! And I will be getting it dyno tuned as soon as possible.


That shit looks sweet. I like how you even substituted the black for blue on the valve cover where I'm guessing the lines for the injectors go. Lol I don't know what everything under the hood is but I'm trying.

Thank you, it is going to look so tight once it is all finished! And I think you might be referring to the plug wires?

[Ricktalife]

I guess the coil packs feed into that so sure lol. Whatever it looks sick regardless, get a new valve cover!

[MSP 2731]

I have already ordered a powder coated valve cover and it should be ready in like 2 weeks. It will really look sick once I get that on!! Then I want to get rid of the plastic coolant bottle and clean up a couple other things and I think I will be done under the hood. At least for a while...

[Ricktalife]

Nice, what color did you get? I just got one in wrinkle black from Forcefed.

[MSP 2731]

Candy blue like this one but I decided not to get the letters brushed.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Candybluevalvecover2.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/zachconnelly/zoom%20zoom/Candybluevalvecover.jpg

Im excited!

[Ricktalife]

DAMN! Wanna trade cars? I got uh...low miles?

[MSP 2731]

I don't remember the exact number but mine has a little less than 30K on her so I have low miles covered as well. Good try though.

[Ricktalife]

Well I've got 25k so :P

[boostdprotegelx]

well.. good news tonight i guess...from ghost ones car-2731

i got everything put back together. i started the car.. it started! and ran.. shitty though.

at first the idle was holding/pushing up from 2k to about 3500.. then when i readjusted some things and tried again, it was very quickly, going from 2000-2500/3000 rpms up down up down up down. i'm not sure why this is..

things considered as possible issues:
-not having a 440/28rs/fmic/walbro map installed(so running on the superstock map
-possible vac leak, although i didn't really hear anything
-IAC valve dead

any thoughts??

also zach, the coupler/reducer that was 3" to 2" was incorrect. it's actually 3" to 2.25".. go figure.. so that one particular has to be sent back.

[MSP-2003.5]

best way to find a vacuum leak is to get a air compressor. Take off a vac line (like the w.g.a.) and hook up the air tank to it and pump it full of air. You'll more than likely hear it, but if you still have trouble finding it use soapy bubbles.

do you not have a vacuum guage?

[MSP 2731]

well.. good news tonight i guess...from ghost ones car-2731

i got everything put back together. i started the car.. it started! and ran.. shitty though.

at first the idle was holding/pushing up from 2k to about 3500.. then when i readjusted some things and tried again, it was very quickly, going from 2000-2500/3000 rpms up down up down up down. i'm not sure why this is..

things considered as possible issues:
-not having a 440/28rs/fmic/walbro map installed(so running on the superstock map
-possible vac leak, although i didn't really hear anything
-IAC valve dead

any thoughts??

also zach, the coupler/reducer that was 3" to 2" was incorrect. it's actually 3" to 2.25".. go figure.. so that one particular has to be sent back.

While I was hoping for the best I can't say that I'm to surprised by this. Doesn't look like I will not be making it to Carlisle this year. I will get a RA for the return of the coupler.

[MSP 2731]

Well I've got 25k so :P

Damn you really do have low miles!! But I still think I will be keeping mine.

[Kooldino]

well.. good news tonight i guess...from ghost ones car-2731

i got everything put back together. i started the car.. it started! and ran.. shitty though.

at first the idle was holding/pushing up from 2k to about 3500.. then when i readjusted some things and tried again, it was very quickly, going from 2000-2500/3000 rpms up down up down up down. i'm not sure why this is..

things considered as possible issues:
-not having a 440/28rs/fmic/walbro map installed(so running on the superstock map
-possible vac leak, although i didn't really hear anything
-IAC valve dead

any thoughts??

also zach, the coupler/reducer that was 3" to 2" was incorrect. it's actually 3" to 2.25".. go figure.. so that one particular has to be sent back.

Run the stock tune. If you still have issues, check the MAF.

[Jaysanooch]

With everything going on...like Kooldino said. I'd like to add....put the stock injectors in...it'll be worth it. Once the car feels solid then put the 440's and learn how to tune with AFC. Actually I would learn to tune at lower boost/stock injectors...then move to the next level. Too many mods at once...where the hell do you look first.

[Kooldino]

With everything going on...like Kooldino said. I'd like to add....put the stock injectors in...it'll be worth it. Once the car feels solid then put the 440's and learn how to tune with AFC. Actually I would learn to tune at lower boost/stock injectors...then move to the next level. Too many mods at once...where the hell do you look first.

Bingo.

[boostdprotegelx]

i'm putting the stock injectors back in soon. i can't remember how to flash from the computer onto the afc... soo if you know, let me know!

the cord DOES connect now though, i bought a new one. pricey little bastards at 20.00.

also, discovered an oil leak at the oil return line, fucking clamps. that'll be fixed shortly. sooo good and bad news i guess. but it'll all get worked out.

[boostdprotegelx]

alright. i swapped the injectors today. went to turn it on..it ran for a half second. then there was a whining and sputter. it appears the manifold is leaking.the intake manifold. so i'm going to try and redo that or something. it's at my house now... we'll see where this takes me.


does anyone know how to flash a map onto the afc? i'm looking for a step by step. thanks.

[MSP-2003.5]

what intake manifold do you have? i had issues with 1st one i bought, it wasn't plane.

[boostdprotegelx]

what intake manifold do you have? i had issues with 1st one i bought, it wasn't plane.

it's the 505 manifold.

[Ricktalife]

alright. i swapped the injectors today. went to turn it on..it ran for a half second. then there was a whining and sputter. it appears the manifold is leaking.the intake manifold. so i'm going to try and redo that or something. it's at my house now... we'll see where this takes me.


does anyone know how to flash a map onto the afc? i'm looking for a step by step. thanks.

yea let me link it for you. just a sec..

edit: here she is http://splitsec.com/technotes/Getting_Started_with_R4_Software.pdf

[boostdprotegelx]

yea let me link it for you. just a sec..

edit: here she is http://splitsec.com/technotes/Getting_Started_with_R4_Software.pdf

thanks man!

[theEZV]

im getting excited for this thing to be done!!!! then again i dont have a lot goin on

[MSP 2731]

Thanks for the update Damian, I hope you get if figured out soon. I do really miss my car.

[boostdprotegelx]

OMG! excellent news today zach! i called you!

anyways, the intake manifold gasket was bad so i replaced it. no more stupid idle and shit! HOWEVER!!!!! the left side injectors are leaking so it's missfiring.

still though, this is a huge breakthrough!!

[shane02pro5]

Grind down a little off the fuel rail spacers to get more compression on the inj seal grommets or get new grommets but their like $13 a piece from the dealer... I saw someone got some from the autoparts real cheap (they didn't have anything available when I needed them)

[boostdprotegelx]

Grind down a little off the fuel rail spacers to get more compression on the inj seal grommets or get new grommets but their like $13 a piece from the dealer... I saw someone got some from the autoparts real cheap (they didn't have anything available when I needed them)

im not using spacers. i think it's the o rings themselves.

[mazdaspeedp]

yo nice build looks like its gonna be fast when its all done and working