Car shuts off when I adjust driver side mirror

[Geezer000]

The car cuts off and dies if I adjust the drivers side mirror. The passenger side is fine. This all started after I installed my SS AFC. All my connections are good (switched power to Blue/white wire on steering column) so I have no idea what the issue is.
Any suggestions?
Thanks

[KrayzieFox]

Does the car start back up after this happens?

[special--k]

very wierd... if you dont adjust the mirror how does it drive?

[Geezer000]

The car starts right up afterwards but throws a code for the first start then disappears. The car also runs perfect if I don't touch the drivers side mirror.

[special--k]

any chance you can get the code? Sounds like something is not grounded properly.

[Geezer000]

Sorry, I don't have a code reader.

[special--k]

come to Quebec and ill read it for you :)

you double check your wires? and what do you mean by "switched power to Blue/white wire on steering column"

[Metallic36]

All my wires are right at the ECU.. I don't remember any SS AFC wires being close to the steering column.. maybe you wired it accidentally to the mirror wire or something and then it sends a bad signal to your AFC and makes it stall. (dunno)

[StealthWyvern]

(mswerd)
All my wires are right at the ECU.. I don't remember any SS AFC wires being close to the steering column.. maybe you wired it accidentally to the mirror wire or something and then it sends a bad signal to your AFC and makes it stall. (dunno)

+1

[KrayzieFox]

All my wires are right at the ECU.. I don't remember any SS AFC wires being close to the steering column.. maybe you wired it accidentally to the mirror wire or something and then it sends a bad signal to your AFC and makes it stall. (dunno)

+2 .. there is NO need to run ANY wire to the steering column for the AFC install. It's ALL done at the ECU. You hooked up something wrong, use pin 97 at the ECU (white wire) for switched power.

[Geezer000]

I didn't hook up the switched ignition to the ecu but instead I hooked it up to the accessory wire on the ignition connector which is a dedicated 12+ switched source. I don't think it has anything to do with the power source because when I check for power fluctuations in the switched source there aren't any when I move the mirror..

[KrayzieFox]

Why? Follow Split Second's install.. it works flawlessly on every single Protege that has installed it so far. Why run the wire all the way tot he steering column when you have a perfectly fine switched power source at the ECU. And the SS AFC is not meant to come on as an accessory, it needs to come on when the key is in the On position so that the fuel pump and all the sensors are on as well.

[Geezer000]

Why? Follow Split Second's install.. it works flawlessly on every single Protege that has installed it so far. Why run the wire all the way tot he steering column when you have a perfectly fine switched power source at the ECU. And the SS AFC is not meant to come on as an accessory, it needs to come on when the key is in the On position so that the fuel pump and all the sensors are on as well.


I've tried all power sources but nothing has changed thats why I believe its not a power issue.

[KrayzieFox]

There's not a whole lot of possibilities here. The SS AFC only has 7 wires.. and if you're sure that power is not the issue then there's not much else. Maybe you hooked up the MAF or O2 sensor wires to the wrong wire?

Hell, let's back up an extra step. Where did you buy the SS AFC from? You sure it's the one for the Protege?

[TheMAN]

well its obvious that the SAFC wiring is what's causing this shit to happen... so undo it and do it the right way! its also obvious you're not very good with wiring, so without trying to pull hairs out, just get it done the right way!

[Geezer000]

well its obvious that the SAFC wiring is what's causing this shit to happen... so undo it and do it the right way! its also obvious you're not very good with wiring, so without trying to pull hairs out, just get it done the right way!


Before you start with your "i'm better than thou speech" read the thread. First off, all the wiring is soldered and done correctly (if not it wouldn't be running perfect for the last year apart from the mirror issue, i have tried to fix for awhile). So instead of saying something generic and insulting my wiring skills (car stereo installer for 10 years) think before you write. (glare)

On a side note, other than the ground or power i'm guessing there is nothing else really that could cause this? I believe the Code that it throws is the key to finding the issue. Just wish I had a code reader.

[KrayzieFox]

So you've had the AFC installed for over a year now? Was the mirror problem always present or did it just recently show up?

[jmv]

Before you start with your "i'm better than thou speech" read the thread. First off, all the wiring is soldered and done correctly (if not it wouldn't be running perfect for the last year apart from the mirror issue, i have tried to fix for awhile). So instead of saying something generic and insulting my wiring skills (car stereo installer for 10 years) think before you write. (glare)

On a side note, other than the ground or power i'm guessing there is nothing else really that could cause this? I believe the Code that it throws is the key to finding the issue. Just wish I had a code reader.

i dunno if parts places will do this where you are, but around here you can just take the car to an autozone and they will check the codes for free...

[special--k]

Any chance you can take the AFC out. and plug everything in "stock" just to see if the problem is the AFC? Maybe the AFC has NOTHING to do with the mirror problem.

[TheMAN]

Before you start with your "i'm better than thou speech" read the thread. First off, all the wiring is soldered and done correctly (if not it wouldn't be running perfect for the last year apart from the mirror issue, i have tried to fix for awhile). So instead of saying something generic and insulting my wiring skills (car stereo installer for 10 years) think before you write. (glare)

On a side note, other than the ground or power i'm guessing there is nothing else really that could cause this? I believe the Code that it throws is the key to finding the issue. Just wish I had a code reader.
wow, you can solder and install car stereos... good job!

do you even know what that blue wire does? did you even read the schematics on where you need power source and signaling?

[Geezer000]

wow, you can solder and install car stereos... good job!

do you even know what that blue wire does? did you even read the schematics on where you need power source and signaling?


yes.

[Geezer000]

So you've had the AFC installed for over a year now? Was the mirror problem always present or did it just recently show up?


The problem was there the whole time. It just didn't bother me much till now.

[Geezer000]

wow, you can solder and install car stereos... good job!

do you even know what that blue wire does? did you even read the schematics on where you need power source and signaling?


Sorry for the attitude but it just seems that every response you give to any thread is snarky like nobody knows what there doing. I know I shouldn't care but when someone insults your work (without cause) people tend to react wrongly.
Sorry.

And if the car runs perfect with no other issues then the mirror what part of the SSAFC wiring would cause the issue?

[KrayzieFox]

But it didn't start happening until you installed the AFC right?

[Geezer000]

But it didn't start happening until you installed the AFC right?


Yes. But instead of me undoing everything and starting from scratch (which doesn't diagnose or find the problem), what part of the wiring might cause this? Other than the power wire....

[KrayzieFox]

Sorry for the attitude but it just seems that every response you give to any thread is snarky like nobody knows what there doing. I know I shouldn't care but when someone insults your work (without cause) people tend to react wrongly.
Sorry.

And if the car runs perfect with no other issues then the mirror what part of the SSAFC wiring would cause the issue?
LoL.. you're apologizing to TheMAN. It's ok man, don't take it personally. All of us know he's an ass most of the time (no offense Edwin.. but you know it) but the dude knows his shit. He's right 99.999999% of the time when it comes to anything he says.. so just look past the attitude and listen ;)

Yes. But instead of me undoing everything and starting from scratch (which doesn't diagnose or find the problem), what part of the wiring might cause this? Other than the power wire....
Well there's not much more to it. Let's see, there's 7 wires total.

Power
Ground
Tachometer
2 O2 sensor
2 MAF sensor

It's not the power, it's not the ground, it's probablyy not the tach, and probably not the O2 sensor.. so it's more than likely one of the 2 MAF wires. Maybe you hooked up one of the MAF wires wrong so when you use the mirror it sends a high voltage which makes the ECU there's tons of airflow when there really isn't.. so it adds (or pulls) fuel and the engine dies.

That's the best I can come up with, but in all honesty.. just redo the wiring. If you install stereos this should be a 20 minute job for you, and it definitely is a diagnosis. If the problem goes away after you redo the wiring (follow Split Second's wiring diagram (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1738040&postcount=1)) then the issue was in the initial wiring and you have successfully diagnosed and fixed the issue.

[nvmsp]

That is a fked up problem to have. I hope someone installs my afc right..if I ever get another ems.

[special--k]

Well there's not much more to it. Let's see, there's 7 wires total.

Power
Ground
Tachometer
2 O2 sensor
2 MAF sensor

It's not the power, it's not the ground, it's probablyy not the tach, and probably not the O2 sensor.. so it's more than likely one of the 2 MAF wires. Maybe you hooked up one of the MAF wires wrong so when you use the mirror it sends a high voltage which makes the ECU there's tons of airflow when there really isn't.. so it adds (or pulls) fuel and the engine dies.




LOL, this almost sounds like you didnt pull it outta your ass. Grab a volt meter, toss it on the MAF wire from the AFC and play with the mirror. If it spiks then you owe Krayz dinner and a movie.

Like wise i say change the power to where its suspose to be. If you know what you are doing (As you said) you should be able to move the 1 wire in under 20mins.

[KrayzieFox]

LOL, this almost sounds like you didnt pull it outta your ass. Grab a volt meter, toss it on the MAF wire from the AFC and play with the mirror. If it spiks then you owe Krayz dinner and a movie.

LoL.. thanks (evil)

[special--k]

P.S Question:

can you explain what you mean when you say it dies? Does it sound like the engine is getting flooded. Or does it sound like to turned it of normally... or what? Also, go post on your local forum TOprotege.com or something. ask if someone with an OBD2 will meet you somewhere and help you out. People are usally nice, and dont mind coming out to help.

[special--k]

LoL.. thanks (evil)

No problem... but i have my doughts. I cant see how these 2 problem are related. It not like the ECU controlls the mirror anyways. Im sure it has something to do with the power wire up and the Steering col'm. Or its another problem all together that is not related to the AFC at all.

ill go:

40% chance its the Power wire
40% chance its not related to the AFC
20% Its the Mirror connect to the MAF wire (Or Other)

[Geezer000]

any chance you can get the code? Sounds like something is not grounded properly.


Well you hit it right on the head. I checked the schematics again and it said the ground is a ECM SENSOR GROUND so I went back and just changed the ground and voila...good to go...


(stoned) Thats me, i'll admit it. My wiring was spot on EXCEPT for the ground....lol
Thanks for all your guys help....you to THEMAN(drinks).

[special--k]

Ya for me! and what did we all learn from this?

If its tried and True, dont fuck with the instructions. Had you run the ground and power where the Split second instructions told you to, there would not have been a problem.

[Outlawstar98]

Good job finding the issue, and you kids need to cool down being dicks online. I don't care how big your E-peen is, be nice when you play.

[zuku26]

Jack Alert....
I'm also having a problem since we installed my split second. At idle she bogs and dies or bogs and tries to die but something revs the motor back up.
Did the EGR cleaning 3 times!!
I did though a bad MAF cel and lean in bank one right after the install as well?

[Outlawstar98]

^check your MAF and see if its working correctly (test it) And do you have it tuned for your mods are using a base map?

[zuku26]

at first we were running the base map but it's been tuned a little since then. How do I test the MAF?