Oil capacity for Mazdaspeed3?

[blynzoo]

Quick question, guys. My owner's manual was stolen when the car was broken into a while back. I am doing the spin-on filter conversion today, and just realized I cant remember how much oil I add. How much do i need to add?

Simple question, hope someone can throw me a response quickly. This is motivation to get my ass to the dealership for a replacement.

Thanks!!!!!!

[oaklandopen]

first off you're kinda posting in the wrong section, and secondly it's somewhere around 6qts. when i do my oil change i usually end up putting in just under 6 qts. but you can definitly dump in a whole 5qt oil jug, then take a 1qt and just do dip stick checks while pouring so as not to overfill

[MikeHTally]

Mine was 5 1/2 quarts before the spin-on. Now with a truck-sized (B3000) filter, it's 6 1/2 quarts. That's a K&N HP 2009. The smaller filter is HP 1002. That would probably be in the six-quart range.

You can probably download a manual.

[blynzoo]

Thanks everyone, I used the B3000 filter, and did six. I'm going to let it settle and dip it tomorrow. Oakland and Mike, you guys are the tops. Thanks, homies. :)

[BillTheCat]

Just an FYI- no need to let it settle overnight. Any time you change the oil, add a little bit less than you think it needs (like 1/2 quart less), fire up the engine for 30 seconds to get oil into the new filter, then let it settle for 1-2 minutes before checking. And remember- to check properly, pull the dipstick, wipe it clean, then dip it again to do the actual level check. And of course, check it with the car down on the pavement, and level. Top off as needed.

[meicalnissyen]

Just an FYI-remember- to check properly, pull the dipstick, wipe it clean, then dip it again to do the actual level check. And of course, check it with the car down on the pavement, and level. Top off as needed.

YES YES
Dunno why, this car is weird, but, if you let it sit , cool, calm, and collected and pull the stick for a read..... mine will show just under the add mark. shove back in and pull it quick, reads normal.

never seen that before and I dunno how it could even happen.
metal stick---puddle of oil---gravity

[GoFast]

**thread moved to engine, transmission, and drivetrain section

[BlackCherry06]

YES YES
Dunno why, this car is weird, but, if you let it sit , cool, calm, and collected and pull the stick for a read..... mine will show just under the add mark. shove back in and pull it quick, reads normal.

never seen that before and I dunno how it could even happen.
metal stick---puddle of oil---gravity

My 3i did this too...scared the sh*t out of me the first time I saw it. Every other car I've owned, I just pull it after it's sat overnight and got an accurate reading.

I don't even bother looking at the dipstick on the MS6 on the first pull anymore. It barely reaches the 'add' mark.

I've contemplated what could possibly cause this. My only conclusion is some sort of trapped air bubble, but I don't know how even that would be possible.

[matsuda]

My 3i did this too...scared the sh*t out of me the first time I saw it. Every other car I've owned, I just pull it after it's sat overnight and got an accurate reading.

I don't even bother looking at the dipstick on the MS6 on the first pull anymore. It barely reaches the 'add' mark.

I've contemplated what could possibly cause this. My only conclusion is some sort of trapped air bubble, but I don't know how even that would be possible.

It's simple physics:

Cover the end of a straw with your finger and dip it in a glass of water.
Notice that the straw does not fill up with water until you remove your finger from the end of it.

I wonder how many people are not taking this into account when checking their oil.

[oaklandopen]

It's simple physics:

Cover the end of a straw with your finger and dip it in a glass of water.
Notice that the straw does not fill up with water until you remove your finger from the end of it.

I wonder how many people are not taking this into account when checking their oil.

Dipsticks arent hollow

[Darth Vader]

Um, yeah, lots of them are, in fact, most I've seen inside various engines I've worked are a plain tube, straight into the pan. A good effort at trying to get out of admitting you're wrong, though. (wink)

[MikeHTally]

Dipsticks arent hollowSome of 'em get pretty close. I've met more than one hollow dipstick. Met a few shallow ones, as well. Never seen one on a motor, though.

[jasonspeed3]

Quick question, guys. My owner's manual was stolen when the car was broken into a while back. I am doing the spin-on filter conversion today, and just realized I cant remember how much oil I add. How much do i need to add?

Simple question, hope someone can throw me a response quickly. This is motivation to get my ass to the dealership for a replacement.

Thanks!!!!!!


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[meicalnissyen]

Um, yeah, lots of them are, in fact, most I've seen inside various engines I've worked are a plain tube, straight into the pan. A good effort at trying to get out of admitting you're wrong, though. (wink)

Is the MS3 a hollow tube read from the inside??

Your attempt to invoke the principal of capillary action
and apply it to the outside of the capillary tube, when the tube does not even exist.?!


Wow, the Wizard of OZ would be impressed

[matsuda]

Dipsticks arent hollow

No, but the tube that the dipstick is inserted into IS hollow.

Since you still couldn't figure it out:

The dipstick tube is analogous to the straw.
The end of the dipstick is analogous to the finger on the end of the straw.
Notice the o-ring (which forms an air seal) near the end of the dipstick.

[matsuda]

If there wasn't an o-ring (air seal) near the end of the dipstick, this "oil level discrepancy" wouldn't happen.

All you have to do is lift the dipstick up a couple of inches, which allows some air to escape (and the oil level to rise in the tube).

The dipstick does not reach into the oil pan.


Ain't physics cool?

[BillTheCat]

Ain't physics cool?

Wicked cool. (shady)

[meicalnissyen]

If there wasn't an o-ring (air seal) near the end of the dipstick, this "oil level discrepancy" wouldn't happen.

All you have to do is lift the dipstick up a couple of inches, which allows some air to escape (and the oil level to rise in the tube).

The dipstick does not reach into the oil pan.


Ain't physics cool?

now this, is a possible avenue.

if the dipstick tube were longer than the stick
and reached below the level in the sump
the seal on the stick( there is one) could create a situation with a different pressure than atmospheric. which is what the sump sees



NOW

after say 1 minute post shutdown 99 -44/100's of the oil has returned to the sump, sump level all lagoon quiet.

WHAT would at that time, raise the pressure in the dipstick tube, and hold it over nite so that the level in the tube is depressed about an inch. I jerk the stick out, and see this artificial level


I am fluent in Torr, Cwp, mmHg, psi, and bar.......... but I cannot give a conversion number for inches of oil But my WAG would be 0.5 to 2 psi to create the difference, not much

[Hank3]

Changed out the oil and filter last night with my spin-on. It took about 5 3/4 quarts and it reads right at the full mark. I'm using the regular-sized filter.

[meicalnissyen]

Changed out the oil and filter last night with my spin-on. It took about 5 3/4 quarts and it reads right at the full mark. I'm using the regular-sized filter.
hmm, does a spin on conversion make for a mazda NA warranty invalidation, should they feel the need?

[MikeHTally]

They can void your warranty for dirty wheels, if you believe stuff you read here. My spin-on platform was a Mazda part. From what I've read here, the cars they sell in Europe have spin-on filters.

[meicalnissyen]

They can void your warranty for dirty wheels, if you believe stuff you read here. My spin-on platform was a Mazda part. From what I've read here, the cars they sell in Europe have spin-on filters.

Then if they sell it I would think M-M could cover you.


I may get one, that setup to change oil is as retarded as any I have ever seen

[oaklandopen]

Um, yeah, lots of them are, in fact, most I've seen inside various engines I've worked are a plain tube, straight into the pan. A good effort at trying to get out of admitting you're wrong, though. (wink)

dipsticks aren't hollow. there are flat metal ones, plastic ones, braided metal ones, and even some cars that don't have any (fucking mercedes)


Some of 'em get pretty close. I've met more than one hollow dipstick. Met a few shallow ones, as well. Never seen one on a motor, though.

i'd like to know where you found a hollow one, cuz i've worked cars before


No, but the tube that the dipstick is inserted into IS hollow.
Since you still couldn't figure it out:

The dipstick tube is analogous to the straw.
The end of the dipstick is analogous to the finger on the end of the straw.
Notice the o-ring (which forms an air seal) near the end of the dipstick.

ohhhh the tube that the dipstick goes into. well now that makes sense because that is hollow.


If there wasn't an o-ring (air seal) near the end of the dipstick, this "oil level discrepancy" wouldn't happen.

All you have to do is lift the dipstick up a couple of inches, which allows some air to escape (and the oil level to rise in the tube).

The dipstick does not reach into the oil pan.


Ain't physics cool?

so that little o-ring seal on the dipstick handle makes the entire engine block air tight? so then what is the pcv for?

and dipsticks do reach the oil pan (except maybe the dry sump systems, not sure how you measure the oil in those) but the regular types have oil going all over the place from the crankshaft slapping it around (in addition to the pump putting oil through all the other systems).

that's why the oil level is so important. there needs to be enough so that the crank can pick some up and throw it around the inside of the block, but not so high that it creates more drag on the crank and a whole bunch of other stuff.



sorry for the long and belated reply. and sorry to sound like an asshole, but if i come off as one oh well

[funksilver07]

5.5 qts. every time, spot on for me...

[matsuda]

so that little o-ring seal on the dipstick handle makes the entire engine block air tight?

No, of course not. Why would you even consider it?




and dipsticks do reach the oil pan...

They often do, but not in this case.
It's obviously not possible since the dipstick tube is longer than the dipstick