Comments on these tires

[lazyme]

Which of these would you guys picked or which one I should definitely stay away from?

Kumho Kh16
Nexen N3000
Nankang NS-I
Hankook Ventus HRII H405
Hankook Radial K106
Toyo Proxes Fz4
Hankook Ventus HRII H40
Falken Ze-912
Kumho Ecsta Ast

I am looking for a quiet comfortable ride that handles well for all season.

[poison]

the last two are the only ones I would consider. The ast' get great feedback, and I'm running the 912's right now. They are damn good for an all season.

[ucMP3]

the last two are the only ones I would consider. The ast' get great feedback, and I'm running the 912's right now. They are damn good for an all season.

The last two are the only one's you would consider? Why? lol I will say flat out, that Proxes4's & Nexen 3000's are both superior to Ecsta AST's. Shit, I like them A LOT more than the Ecsta ASX too, which is a stiffer,stickier tire than the AST. The falken is a good tire, but shit, Ecsta's aren't worth the money IMHO. Proxes4 are stickier dry & wet than than ANY of the All-Season Ecsta tires. Anyways, I've never used the hankook tires b4, someone else will have to give some input on those.

[SocialStealth]

The last two are the only one's you would consider? Why? lol I will say flat out, that Proxes4's & Nexen 3000's are both superior to Ecsta AST's. Shit, I like them A LOT more than the Ecsta ASX too, which is a stiffer,stickier tire than the AST. The falken is a good tire, but shit, Ecsta's aren't worth the money IMHO. Proxes4 are stickier dry & wet than than ANY of the All-Season Ecsta tires. Anyways, I've ever used the hankook tires b4, someone else will have to give some input on those.

I'm starting to worship you as a protege god, so just tell us what tires your using and we'll all buy those :)

[ucMP3]

I'm starting to worship you as a protege god, so just tell us what tires your using and we'll all buy those :)

No, I just have too much free time at work... I don't have 10% of the knowledge a lot of the guys on here have.

But, I have Toyo Proxes4 on my Protege. Tried out Kuhmo Ecsta ASX's as my last tire and was completely unsatisfied with them. They were fine (nothing special) on dry pavement, but they were shit in the rain. They would squeal a little even when not taking corners fast AT ALL. Just didn't like them... The Toyo's on the other hand, unless its like hurricane conditions I really don't notice a huge drop off in traction and grip. Braking grip especially is really good witht he Proxes4's wet and dry. Only pluses the Kuhmos have in their favor is the ASX's are like $5 cheaper per tire (the AST's are like $10 cheaper per tire) and they have a slightly higher treadwear rating which proably equates to less than 5k miles total on the life of the tires. (thats a complete guess haha) But performance wise, the Proxes4's blow them out of the water.

So that's my .02

[SocialStealth]

No, I just have too much free time at work... I don't have 10% of the knowledge a lot of the guys on here have.

But, I have Toyo Proxes4 on my Protege. Tried out Kuhmo Ecsta ASX's as my last tire and was completely unsatisfied with them. They were fine (nothing special) on dry pavement, but they were shit in the rain. They would squeal a little even when not taking corners fast AT ALL. Just didn't like them... The Toyo's on the other hand, unless its like hurricane conditions I really don't notice a huge drop off in traction and grip. Braking grip especially is really good witht he Proxes4's wet and dry. Only pluses the Kuhmos have in their favor is the ASX's are like $5 cheaper per tire (the AST's are like $10 cheaper per tire) and they have a slightly higher treadwear rating which proably equates to less than 5k miles total on the life of the tires. (thats a complete guess haha) But performance wise, the Proxes4's blow them out of the water.

So that's my .02

Thats the verdict.
Court dismissed. (five-0)

[MazdaSpeeder]

I run the ventus HRII 405s and I have been happy with them. There's a tire review thread around here that will give you more info. They've only lasted me about 20k miles, and I don't expect to get much more than 6k more out of them, but I use them as all seasons and they work well. Plus, they're one of the few tires that comes in a 215 that will fit on the protege stock 16s (215/40/16) and they're cheap (~$70 a tire). The extra 10mm is AWESOME. They're very sticky and I like them a lot.

[el_Don]

I've had the Kuhmo's and they were a damn good tire. They finally gave out due to me getting screwed on an alignment and then I got the Falkens, I can say that they are as good as the Kuhmo's. I can't comment on any of the other tires.

[poison]

I don't like the soft sidewall of the Toyo's, and driving friends cars with a/s hankooks...ugh. The only Hankook I'd buy is the RS2, and that's a summer tire.

[HFXprotege5]

I bought Bridgestone Potenza 019 Grids and love them. They are not as good as the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s that were taken off, but they are defiantly worth the cost. Entry speeds in on/off ramp corners is barely noticeable (225% vs. the recommended caution speed is what I have tested) and they are quiet on the road. That means if the caution sign says 50 km/hr, I'd do it at 112.5km/hr. The F1 GS-D3s were awesome but very expensive at almost $300 CDN/tire including tax. I got the grids for less than $700 installed.

I punished the Goodyear's to no avail, I never had the tires beg for forgiveness even with less than 10% tread left (keep in mind that the Bridgestone's are new so they may/will dissolve performance over time). The new 'stones are 195/55/16 vs. the F1's 205/50/16.

I haven't tried the other tires you mentioned, but the 'stones are definitely worth the $$ IMO.

[ucMP3]

I am looking for a quiet comfortable ride that handles well for all season.

Toyo Proxes4. Better in the rain, quieter than kumho's and falkens. Stickier than the kumho's, similar to the falkens. They are a good tire with very little road noise. The stiffer a side wall on the tire, the more road noise you will get. Techinically the stiffer sidewall will give your tires better lateral response, but the difference in stiffness on the kumho's is not a noticaeble difference any any performance area, only increase is in road noise.

[lazyme]

Which is good in the snow?

[phishstik]

I tried two Kumho Ecstas last year , and the treadlife lasted one summer of my wifes commute.

[lazyme]

Wow, Kumho Ecstas is out of the question then

[ucMP3]

Which is good in the snow?

None of them are good in the snow. All seasons are not made to perform in snow, only snow tires do that. It's mainly driver knowledge that aids driving in snow. Wider the better though I guess...

[lazyme]

Hmm, that's true. I guess, which one of them is decent in the snow

[fishdonotbounce]

Which is good in the snow?

I can tell you the nankang's are terrible in the snow. I still have yet to figure out how a tire can lose traction completely while drving straight and not accelerating or breaking whatsoever. There was no ice on the road, just snow. This was in my old neon but I can honestly tell you that those tires are pure shit.

[RockerPro5]

Toyo Proxes4. Better in the rain, quieter than kumho's and falkens. Stickier than the kumho's, similar to the falkens. They are a good tire with very little road noise. The stiffer a side wall on the tire, the more road noise you will get. Techinically the stiffer sidewall will give your tires better lateral response, but the difference in stiffness on the kumho's is not a noticaeble difference any any performance area, only increase is in road noise.

How about flat spots if you let it sit for a week or something?

If I go away for a week, and come back I get a little bit of a vibration at ~90km/hr, then it goes away, after a few miles of driving.

I'm still running the damn stock dunlop's... been meaning to make an appointment for a set of Proxes 4...

[idrift4wd]

i have falcons ze912 and i can say they are great tires. great in snow and rain! road noise is ok(not gunna say its quiet) smooth ride.

8.5-9/10

[poison]

Go read reviews on the proxes4 before you buy.

[SocialStealth]

Go read reviews on the proxes4 before you buy.

Are they bad or good?(uhm)

[poison]

They're ok, but there are many complaints about longevity and softness, like a marshmallow. Not performance-oriented tires at all. Same complaint for their summer tires, too soft for most people.

[goodfornothing]

I have the Nexen N3000 right now. According to my experience, they aren't that good in the rain. I need to rotate them however, but I'm also looking for some good quality, cheap priced tires.

[StealthWyvern]

I bought Bridgestone Potenza 019 Grids and love them. They are not as good as the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s that were taken off, but they are defiantly worth the cost. Entry speeds in on/off ramp corners is barely noticeable (225% vs. the recommended caution speed is what I have tested) and they are quiet on the road. That means if the caution sign says 50 km/hr, I'd do it at 112.5km/hr. The F1 GS-D3s were awesome but very expensive at almost $300 CDN/tire including tax. I got the grids for less than $700 installed.

I punished the Goodyear's to no avail, I never had the tires beg for forgiveness even with less than 10% tread left (keep in mind that the Bridgestone's are new so they may/will dissolve performance over time). The new 'stones are 195/55/16 vs. the F1's 205/50/16.

I haven't tried the other tires you mentioned, but the 'stones are definitely worth the $$ IMO.



Good to hear about the Grids. I'm look at those for my next set of tires for the MSP. I wouldnt think you can really compare the two in grid head on due to the two completely different tire sizes.



No, I just have too much free time at work... I don't have 10% of the knowledge a lot of the guys on here have.

But, I have Toyo Proxes4 on my Protege. Tried out Kuhmo Ecsta ASX's as my last tire and was completely unsatisfied with them. They were fine (nothing special) on dry pavement, but they were shit in the rain. They would squeal a little even when not taking corners fast AT ALL. Just didn't like them... The Toyo's on the other hand, unless its like hurricane conditions I really don't notice a huge drop off in traction and grip. Braking grip especially is really good witht he Proxes4's wet and dry. Only pluses the Kuhmos have in their favor is the ASX's are like $5 cheaper per tire (the AST's are like $10 cheaper per tire) and they have a slightly higher treadwear rating which proably equates to less than 5k miles total on the life of the tires. (thats a complete guess haha) But performance wise, the Proxes4's blow them out of the water.

So that's my .02

you liked the proxies.... man i will never buy another set of those... they turned my old p5 to a death trap on wet roads...


Edit: I didnt even get 20k miles out of my proxies to.... def not worth the investment.

[justanothermp5]

had the kuhmo ecsta ASX's before and they were the shittiest tire in the world, i absolutley hated them, but i had a diff model (cant recall the name) of ecsta's and they were pretty good, im lookin at tires right now and im going with the goodyear eagle gt, they have a pretty high tread wear, and my girlfriends dad gets 40% off all good year tires lol

oh and i have the federal s95's on my 17's and i hate those too, they are good tires and they grip well and are ok in the wet but they just wear so unevenly its ridiculus, i got aligned and they still wear unevenly and they make my car wander all over the road when i take my hand off the wheel
maybe just bad expierience tho, others say federals are pretty good

[i12drivemyMP5]

I have the Nexen N3000 right now. According to my experience, they aren't that good in the rain. I need to rotate them however, but I'm also looking for some good quality, cheap priced tires.I'm running these too. Haven't had anything but good in all areas. First set I ran lasted about 40k & 2 were still good enough to keep for throw down spare road hazard bkups. They aren't the quietest but other than that I really like them. They are nice balance of performance/longevity/price. Got 4 to the porch for 210.00 brand new. Have run sumitomos & wan li's also. Sumitomos were nice until lowering the car, they were 205/45/17s & they rubbed a bit. The wan li's were straight up track tires, stuck like chuck but uncomfortable for daily commuting & low treadwear rating. Got a stack of fresh Nexens to go on after the current set gives up. Seems it'll be awhile but that's OK. And here we are pushin 90k.........

[ucMP3]

Well, seems that many people get completely opposite results from the same tires. So obviously a lot of it is personal preference. That or the tire companies have no consistency in their manufacturing or maybe we are all bat shit crazy and imagine whatever the fuck we want to about our tires :D:D:D

OTN, my next set of tires will probably by Yokohamas. I have heard good things about their summer and all season tires and want to try them out.

Also something of importance... Tread wear is not consistant car to car due to many factors. Alignments' quality can vary from shop to shop. I know that Tire discounters has given me a couple shitty alignments before, and I will not be back at that location ever again. That and if you run with any type of negative camber your tires will perform much better and grip better but at the cost of your treadwear. Underinflated tires will also decrease your gas mileage and also wear unevenly causing them to lose tread more quickly. Also, make sure they are rotated every 5k.

[SocialStealth]

The owner of my car before me put on new dunlops (the stock tire brand).

I'm not much for performance. My main concerns are:
Life of the tire
Less noise/more luxury
and price :) Cheaper the better!

Whats a tire that has better life, less noise, and is cheaper than the dunlops?

and, just for comparison, whats the best 'bang for your buck' tire that emphasizes the features I mentioned?

[ucMP3]

How much are the factory dunlops?

[goodfornothing]

I'm running these too. Haven't had anything but good in all areas. First set I ran lasted about 40k & 2 were still good enough to keep for throw down spare road hazard bkups. They aren't the quietest but other than that I really like them. They are nice balance of performance/longevity/price. Got 4 to the porch for 210.00 brand new. Have run sumitomos & wan li's also. Sumitomos were nice until lowering the car, they were 205/45/17s & they rubbed a bit. The wan li's were straight up track tires, stuck like chuck but uncomfortable for daily commuting & low treadwear rating. Got a stack of fresh Nexens to go on after the current set gives up. Seems it'll be awhile but that's OK. And here we are pushin 90k.........

Other than the rain factor, I can't really complain about the Nexen's. They came with the car when I bought it from the dealer. They haven't been rotated either so maybe that's why I'm not getting much traction in the rain. I might buy another set of these.

[poison]

I say go 912:

$79 - http://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/tiresearch.cgi?stock=809&f=ze912_t.htm

or:

http://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/tiresearch.cgi

$79 shipped! - http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findTireDetail.do?yr=2002&pc=18110&counter=2&ar=50&rd=16&vid=007052&sw=false&cs=205

Review:

http://www.epinions.com/review/Falken_Ziex_ZE_912_epi/content_450268663428

[i12drivemyMP5]

Other than the rain factor, I can't really complain about the Nexen's. They came with the car when I bought it from the dealer. They haven't been rotated either so maybe that's why I'm not getting much traction in the rain. I might buy another set of these.
Yeah, I rotate them every 5k with oil changes. Have had good action even pretty worn past 30k in heavy rains. They wore very evenly. Never been near hydroplaning even without timid driving habits. I have sport auto so initial takeoff spin less likely I suppose. I think they are under the name Lexani now. It's just the company who was making them now is putting their name on them from what I found in my search for extra sets. Lexani N3000...IIRC

[goodfornothing]

I have a 5 speed so maybe that might have contributed to the hyrdoplaning. I wasn't even pushing it!

[StealthWyvern]

Also something of importance... Tread wear is not consistant car to car due to many factors. Alignments' quality can vary from shop to shop. I know that Tire discounters has given me a couple shitty alignments before, and I will not be back at that location ever again. That and if you run with any type of negative camber your tires will perform much better and grip better but at the cost of your treadwear. Underinflated tires will also decrease your gas mileage and also wear unevenly causing them to lose tread more quickly. Also, make sure they are rotated every 5k.

Good points, The proxies I had wore evenly but just didnt last upro the 40 or 50k warrenty on them. Plus the tires were rotated every 3k. Its just easier to rotate them every oil change.

[ucMP3]

Good points, The proxies I had wore evenly but just didnt last upro the 40 or 50k warrenty on them. Plus the tires were rotated every 3k. Its just easier to rotate them every oil change.

No you will not get 50k out of proxes4's... IIRC they have a treadwear rating of 330. Don't buy Toyos if you are trying to save money. Buy Toyos if you want a quiet ride and superb all-season grip.

You should be able to get at least 35k (if not 40k) out of the Proxes4 tho. And I don't think the Proxes4 comes with a warranty. Just the 25% treadware free replacement deal.

[i12drivemyMP5]

Yeah, the N3000's I'm runnin have 340 treadwear & pretty much after 30k you should start thinkin about the next set. I squoze 35k from the last set but that's just because I had a fresh stack sittin in the garage & I wanted to see how far they'd go & still be of use. They were still great, just louder as the tread wore down.

[ucMP3]

Yeah, the N3000's I'm runnin have 340 treadwear & pretty much after 30k you should start thinkin about the next set. I squoze 35k from the last set but that's just because I had a fresh stack sittin in the garage & I wanted to see how far they'd go & still be of use. They were still great, just louder as the tread wore down.

Just run em til they're bald :D:D:D Then tell the ricers they're your racing slicks. (bike)

[i12drivemyMP5]

Just run em til they're bald :D:D:D Then tell the ricers they're your racing slicks. (bike)I doodoo that...........

[RockerPro5]

They're ok, but there are many complaints about longevity and softness, like a marshmallow. Not performance-oriented tires at all. Same complaint for their summer tires, too soft for most people.

Really? I was under the impression that the Proxes4 had a reasonably stiff sidewall. I've read good reviews, and from the comparisons, the Proxes4 have a good load rating (88) compared to the Kumho's (84) and the stock Dunlop (84).

As long as they're as stiff (or stiffer) than the stock Dunlop I'll be happy. I rarely take crazy fast corners.

[i12drivemyMP5]

IIRC, the load rating on the Nexen/Lexani N3000s was 93..........

[ucMP3]

Really? I was under the impression that the Proxes4 had a reasonably stiff sidewall. I've read good reviews, and from the comparisons, the Proxes4 have a good load rating (88) compared to the Kumho's (84) and the stock Dunlop (84).

As long as they're as stiff (or stiffer) than the stock Dunlop I'll be happy. I rarely take crazy fast corners.

They do, Poison just likes to be a hater :D lol j/k buddy


IIRC, the load rating on the Nexen/Lexani N3000s was 93..........

Quit 1 upping my Toyos! lol (squinty)

[RockerPro5]

Just to update, I just got a set of Toyo Proxes 4 put on, and man do they ride nicely. Very quiet and smooth at highway speeds, and reasonable cornering around town. However, I don't take crazy fast turns, and I did move from the worn out stock Dunlop's so anything would be better.

In terms of recommendations, some people don't like them, some do. I have yet to drive in the rain, but they have nice shaped, deep sipes, and should disperse water effectively.